Chalerm does not believe Constitutional Court will rule against Pheu Thai government

[klauskunkel]

Chalerm, Plodsaprob, Jatuporn, Yingluck, amazing talents, awesome, superhuman specimen, creatures of remarkable skills and acumen, unique and unparalleled anywhere in the universe... you are my heroes

[siampolee]

bigbamboo post # 17

If ex-police captain Chalerm has a team of lawyers, spokespersons and political analysts do we actually need him around at all?

Chalerm was misquoted .

What he actually said was that he keeps that team around so as his sons can escape conviction for their assorted misdeeds.

Indeed Chalerm is a fine one to talk about justice.

Wonder if he (Chalerm) can recall the comments he made concerning the issue of banking licences under the Bahran government and his (Chalerms) glowing face the day after when he was hand in hand with Bahran?

Chalernm is a professional hypocrite who is well suited to be in the political sty with Thaksin.

Edited November 19, 2013 by siampolee

[SICHONSTEVE]

The Oracle has spoken.

'Issue an arrest warrant'!!

Seems that he has forgotten that he is labour minister and thinks he is still in the police. What a jerk!!

[MaxLee]

Chalerm, Plodsaprob, Jatuporn, Yingluck, amazing talents, awesome, superhuman specimen, creatures of remarkable skills and acumen, unique and unparalleled anywhere in the universe... you are my heroes

You forgot one more VIP person in The mix white liar porky face Kittirat...

[PeterSmiles]

Two weeks ago, I think it was the first or second day of the protests, I had the assistant general manager from a large multinational company visiting me. Thai national, late twenties maybe early thirties, so no elite member but rather university educated middle class.

He told me that there would be problems with traffic in Bangkok that day, so I took the opportunity to ask him what his opinion was regarding the protest.

Without any hesitate and without telling me which party he supported he replied, I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man.

I doubt that his remarks are an opinion that is shared by a minority of the Thai population.

[Robby nz]

After 2 recent brain explosions both needing corrective surgery he is back and quite possibly heading for a third.

Be careful Chelerm don't die on us before the time comes to get your head cut off.

There is so many people looking forward to that, don't disappoint them.

[tragickingdom]

Luckily the red shirts are in town to check if the courts do their work properly. You would expect North Korean criminal leaders to file a court suit against democratically elected people.

[fab4]

Haha reasoning that Article 291 allows them to do whatever they want... Well, yes, that might be the case. However, Article 68 allows the Constitutional Court to rule on it, should it be petioned to do so.

cake and eating it et al...

Of course it can rule on it using article 68 as long as the proposed amendment will

overthrow the democratic regime with the King as Head of State or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

In the case where a person or a political party has committed the act under paragraph one, the person knowing of such act shall have the right to request the Prosecutor General to investigate its facts and submit a motion to the Constitutional Court for ordering cessation of such act without, however, prejudice to the institution of a criminal action against such person. http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/const/2007/1.html

As the proposed amendment will not do that what is the point? Just more frivolous sabre rattling by the opposition which shouldn't have been accepted in the first place

[Emptyset]

Two weeks ago, I think it was the first or second day of the protests, I had the assistant general manager from a large multinational company visiting me. Thai national, late twenties maybe early thirties, so no elite member but rather university educated middle class.

He told me that there would be problems with traffic in Bangkok that day, so I took the opportunity to ask him what his opinion was regarding the protest.

Without any hesitate and without telling me which party he supported he replied, I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man.

I doubt that his remarks are an opinion that is shared by a minority of the Thai population.

"I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man."

Yep, that's exactly the sort of nuanced critical thinking that the 'educated middle class' are reknowned for... and also exactly the reason I've always been skeptical that the people who make up this constituency are on the whole any better informed than your average farmer in Issan.

[Lupatria]

I can hear clearly now...?

[PeterSmiles]

Two weeks ago, I think it was the first or second day of the protests, I had the assistant general manager from a large multinational company visiting me. Thai national, late twenties maybe early thirties, so no elite member but rather university educated middle class.

He told me that there would be problems with traffic in Bangkok that day, so I took the opportunity to ask him what his opinion was regarding the protest.

Without any hesitate and without telling me which party he supported he replied, I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man.

I doubt that his remarks are an opinion that is shared by a minority of the Thai population.

"I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man."

Yep, that's exactly the sort of nuanced critical thinking that the 'educated middle class' are reknowned for... and also exactly the reason I've always been skeptical that the people who make up this constituency are on the whole any better informed than your average farmer in Issan.

Do I understand that in your opinion Thaksin isn't the cause of the problems for the past 9 years, and Chalerm is in fact a decent chap ?

[culicine]

Pol. Cap. Charlerm, accompanied by his team of lawyers, spokespersons, and political analysts

Exclusive image of Capt. Chalerm's associates.

Yeah but these were certified stupid only.

Nice to see Chalerm's associates helping him remove some earwax lol

[kirk0233]

Pol. Cap. Charlerm

He is not currently a policeman. Does he get to use this title for life? I suppose it is a more prestigious title than labor minister.

[phantomfiddler]

"You can behead me if Thaksin is not back (in Thailand) by the end of this year (2013)"......Labor Minister Pol. Cap. Chalerm Yubamrung

How about a raffle ? The winner gets to perform the pleasant task, and the proceeds going towards the Society for the Eradication of dysfunctional political families in Thailand

[Emptyset]

Two weeks ago, I think it was the first or second day of the protests, I had the assistant general manager from a large multinational company visiting me. Thai national, late twenties maybe early thirties, so no elite member but rather university educated middle class.

He told me that there would be problems with traffic in Bangkok that day, so I took the opportunity to ask him what his opinion was regarding the protest.

Without any hesitate and without telling me which party he supported he replied, I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man.

I doubt that his remarks are an opinion that is shared by a minority of the Thai population.

"I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man."

Yep, that's exactly the sort of nuanced critical thinking that the 'educated middle class' are reknowned for... and also exactly the reason I've always been skeptical that the people who make up this constituency are on the whole any better informed than your average farmer in Issan.

Do I understand that in your opinion Thaksin isn't the cause of the problems for the past 9 years, and Chalerm is in fact a decent chap ?

You don't have to be educated to think Chalerm is a dodgy character. Plenty of reds will tell you the same thing. As far as I know he's not that popular upcountry. I'm against the line of thought which suggests one person is responsible for all the country's ills and eliminating him will solve the problem. Why not say inequality is the problem? Why not say lack of democracy? Why not say ingrained authoritarianism which will take years to shift? Why not come up with some concrete solutions other than violence? Some attempt to understand why people voted for Thaksin might help. Some empathy, instead of black and white statements and simpleminded moralism.

Saying things like 'Abhisit is a good guy and Thaksin is a bad guy' as if it's that simple. What's the real difference between that and red shirts who think Thaksin is a good guy and Abhisit a bad guy? Neither line of thought suggests a way out of the impasse to me. The second statement is just the flipside of the first, structurally they're exactly the same. If I were looking for signs to be hopeful about it'd be people that seek to move away from either over-investment or strong antipathy to these figures. I think people should try to put personalities aside and think about the issues involved. Then they might see they're closer to each other than they thought they were. It's normal that some people do love Abhisit and hate Thaksin and vice versa, but it's worrying that people often can't seem to see beyond that.

[PeterSmiles]

Two weeks ago, I think it was the first or second day of the protests, I had the assistant general manager from a large multinational company visiting me. Thai national, late twenties maybe early thirties, so no elite member but rather university educated middle class.

He told me that there would be problems with traffic in Bangkok that day, so I took the opportunity to ask him what his opinion was regarding the protest.

Without any hesitate and without telling me which party he supported he replied, I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man.

I doubt that his remarks are an opinion that is shared by a minority of the Thai population.

"I wish Thaksin was dead so all problems in Thailand would be finished. He continued to say, Chalerm is a very bad man."

Yep, that's exactly the sort of nuanced critical thinking that the 'educated middle class' are reknowned for... and also exactly the reason I've always been skeptical that the people who make up this constituency are on the whole any better informed than your average farmer in Issan.

Do I understand that in your opinion Thaksin isn't the cause of the problems for the past 9 years, and Chalerm is in fact a decent chap ?

You don't have to be educated to think Chalerm is a dodgy character. Plenty of reds will tell you the same thing. As far as I know he's not that popular upcountry. I'm against the line of thought which suggests one person is responsible for all the country's ills and eliminating him will solve the problem. Why not say inequality is the problem? Why not say lack of democracy? Why not say ingrained authoritarianism which will take years to shift? Why not come up with some concrete solutions other than violence? Some attempt to understand why people voted for Thaksin might help. Some empathy, instead of black and white statements and simpleminded moralism.

Saying things like 'Abhisit is a good guy and Thaksin is a bad guy' as if it's that simple. What's the real difference between that and red shirts who think Thaksin is a good guy and Abhisit a bad guy? Neither line of thought suggests a way out of the impasse to me. The second statement is just the flipside of the first, structurally they're exactly the same. If I were looking for signs to be hopeful about it'd be people that seek to move away from either over-investment or strong antipathy to these figures. I think people should try to put personalities aside and think about the issues involved. Then they might see they're closer to each other than they thought they were. It's normal that some people do love Abhisit and hate Thaksin and vice versa, but it's worrying that people often can't seem to see beyond that.

Some attempt to understand why people voted for Thaksin might help. Some empathy, instead of black and white statements and simpleminded moralism.

It is quite easy to understand why people voted for Thaksin. His supporters exist of the biggest part of the population, which is uneducated and poor, read easily dupable.

Thaksin made a lot of wonderful promises, which anyone with a little education would have known that they were not realizable. Unfortunately his supporters stepped into it with both feet, as they don't belong to that small group that has little education.

So how do you call someone who makes false promises that he knows upfront he can not keep, Thaksin isn't in the group of uneducated you will know, and what do you think is the intention of such a person ?

[Bagwan]

"You can behead me if Thaksin is not back (in Thailand) by the end of this year (2013)"......Labor Minister Pol. Cap. Chalerm Yubamrung

He's been off his head for years.

[GrantSmith]

Haha reasoning that Article 291 allows them to do whatever they want... Well, yes, that might be the case. However, Article 68 allows the Constitutional Court to rule on it, should it be petioned to do so.

cake and eating it et al...

Of course it can rule on it using article 68 as long as the proposed amendment will

overthrow the democratic regime with the King as Head of State or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

In the case where a person or a political party has committed the act under paragraph one, the person knowing of such act shall have the right to request the Prosecutor General to investigate its facts and submit a motion to the Constitutional Court for ordering cessation of such act without, however, prejudice to the institution of a criminal action against such person. http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/const/2007/1.html

As the proposed amendment will not do that what is the point? Just more frivolous sabre rattling by the opposition which shouldn't have been accepted in the first place

I do hope you meant to say in your opening line "will not..."

There's an argument to be made that by allowing this piece of legislation to go through, the government could (in theory) "acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution."

It's possibly a stretch that it could attain such an outcome, however, as long as there is precedent and I believe there is (unable to quote direct precedent) then the court can accept the opposition's petition.

I'm unsure why you're quoting an "Unofficial" translation, when an "Official" translation is also freely available

[GrantSmith]

Appears from the CC's point of view, they do have the power to rule on constitutional ammendments...

[slapout]

Chalerm apparently was not much of a student while receiving his 'law degree'. He has proven time and again his forcasts are not worth the newsprint they occupy.

Falure to be a good citizen/person seem to have eluded the man, his offspring, and those with whom he has close contact. But for his political career, where he has had the chance to reform, but has fallen numerous times back to his old ways again and again, he has apparently done f..k all for anyone but himself and his own.

[mrtoad]

"You can behead me if Thaksin is not back (in Thailand) by the end of this year (2013)"......Labor Minister Pol. Cap. Chalerm Yubamrung

only 41 days to go

[mrtoad]

Chalerm assigned to head protest monitoring

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said Tuesday that he has been assigned by the prime minister to monitor the anti-government protests by various groups.

Chalerm said the situation control room of the protests has been set up at the Labour Ministry.

The situation monitoring officials will hold a meeting at 10 am everyday, Chalerm said.

-- The Nation 2013-11-19

Nice late start 10am for Chalerm, need to organise his day around his drinking

[Rob8891]

"You can behead me if Thaksin is not back (in Thailand) by the end of this year (2013)"......Labor Minister Pol. Cap. Chalerm Yubamrung

Chalerm?.... Meh!..... Empty rhetoric. What's he got to lose?

[GentlemanJim]

Chalerm assigned to head protest monitoring

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said Tuesday that he has been assigned by the prime minister to monitor the anti-government protests by various groups.

Chalerm said the situation control room of the protests has been set up at the Labour Ministry.

The situation monitoring officials will hold a meeting at 10 am everyday, Chalerm said.

-- The Nation 2013-11-19

Nice late start 10am for Chalerm, need to organise his day around his drinking

It is clear that the reason they have assigned the 'Labour Minister' to monitor protests is that they can trust Chalerm to do whatever dirty deed is required and it is unlikely to come back and bite them later, as his chances of surviving the next two years are pretty remote.

[mrtoad]

Chalerm assigned to head protest monitoring

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said Tuesday that he has been assigned by the prime minister to monitor the anti-government protests by various groups.

Chalerm said the situation control room of the protests has been set up at the Labour Ministry.

The situation monitoring officials will hold a meeting at 10 am everyday, Chalerm said.

-- The Nation 2013-11-19

Nice late start 10am for Chalerm, need to organise his day around his drinking

It is clear that the reason they have assigned the 'Labour Minister' to monitor protests is that they can trust Chalerm to do whatever dirty deed is required and it is unlikely to come back and bite them later, as his chances of surviving the next two years are pretty remote.

Chalerm has stepped into the Samak role, both odious ndividuals, coming to the ends of their life, and perfect to do the dirty work for The Caddy.

[thaicbr]

Chalerm assigned to head protest monitoring

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said Tuesday that he has been assigned by the prime minister to monitor the anti-government protests by various groups.

Chalerm said the situation control room of the protests has been set up at the Labour Ministry.

The situation monitoring officials will hold a meeting at 10 am everyday, Chalerm said.

-- The Nation 2013-11-19

Nice late start 10am for Chalerm, need to organise his day around his drinking

It is clear that the reason they have assigned the 'Labour Minister' to monitor protests is that they can trust Chalerm to do whatever dirty deed is required and it is unlikely to come back and bite them later, as his chances of surviving the next two years are pretty remote.

And Thaksin and Chalerm go way back....

"In 1989 he launched IBC, a cable television company. At that time, Thaksin had a very good relationship with Chalerm Yoobumrung the Minister of the Prime Minister Office who was in charge of Thai press and media. It is a question that remains unanswered whether Chalerm granted the right to Thaksin to establish IBC just to benefit his close friend, seeing that this project had been denied by the previous administration but instantly accepted a very short period after Chalerm came to office."

Taken from Thaksins wiki page.. Now that does make interesting reading.. It seems he was a bit of a failure until he got in with the military "Advance Info Service was given a monopoly contract by his contacts in the military in 1986^[11] and operates under GSM 900 frequency.^[18] AIS grew rapidly and became the largest mobile phone operator in Thailand.^[19]"

[Skywalker69]

"You can behead me if Thaksin is not back (in Thailand) by the end of this year (2013)"......Labor Minister Pol. Cap. Chalerm Yubamrung

only 41 days to go

Looking forward to the beheading since the head is the part of the body that Chalerm don´t use and therefore doesn´t need, so no harm done. But he have to have a new passport.

[Ricardo]

"You can behead me if Thaksin is not back (in Thailand) by the end of this year (2013)"......Labor Minister Pol. Cap. Chalerm Yubamrung

Chalerm?.... Meh!..... Empty rhetoric. What's he got to lose?

His Deputy Prime-Ministership, oh no, too late, whoopsie !

[Thait Spot]

There is always a danger that Chalerm will continue to function at the same level without his head.

There's even a risk that we may end up having 2 to contend with given his vermicular properties

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