Jatuporn reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy

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'Jatuporn' reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy

BANGKOK, 20 Nov 2013, (NNT) - Mr. Jatuporn Prompan, a core member of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), has reaffirmed that the Senate Origin Bill does not aim at abolishing the democratic regime.

The comment came during his speech on stage at the UDD demonstration site in Ratchamankhala Sport Stadium on Tuesday. He said that the UDD would not mobilize its forces to pressure the constitutional court; nor will it show any attitude to menace the court. He stressed the rally demands only fairness from the court

Mr. Jatuporn however pointed out that the Constitutional Court made some questionable decisions last year, especially on the approval of a bill amending the entire Section 291. He said that since that bill sailed through the Parliament and was not considered obstructing the democracy, the Senate Origin Bill should do as well.

The UDD core member finally said that if the court rules the bill fairly, the move will bring about the much needed peace in the society. He reiterated that the UDD makes a move only to protect the rightfully elected government.


-- NNT 2013-11-20

[Bluespunk]

"'Jatuporn' reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy"

He means red shirt democracy of course. The version which allows free choice and all views as long as they echo the party line.

[NongKhaiKid]

Jatuporn and Democracy is a bigger oxymoron than Military Intelligence

[chainarong]

Anything to do with the PTP or UDD not necessary means the abolishing of democracy, they only make inroads to make democracy un-workable, whilst there is room for improvement in any country, the current administration in Thailand tends to make policy on the run, therefore undermining the democracy institution as we know it, making it a laughable totalitarian regime.

[gl555]

Of course not...

[h90]

Jatuporn and Democracy is a bigger oxymoron than Military Intelligence

Democracy East German style

Democracy North Korean style

[Thait Spot]

The Red Shirts have openly stated that they want Thailand to be ruled by the same model as Cambodia

[Thaddeus]

He (Jatuporn) said that since that bill sailed through the Parliament and was not considered obstructing the democracy, the Senate Origin Bill should do as well.

A Bill sailing through Parliament doesn't make it right, recent events show that it makes it very wrong.

[gemini81]

Jatuporn and Democracy is a bigger oxymoron than Military Intelligence

Just a moron.

[Mampara]

"'Jatuporn' reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy"

He means red shirt democracy of course. The version which allows free choice and all views as long as they echo the party line.

Maybe not, but would it abolish the Kingdom into a Republic?

[JRSoul]

How does he know? Does Thaksin consult him before attempting his machinations?

[slapout]

I am not sure who has the bigger ego, Jatuporn, Chalerm, Kittyrat, Plod, or Thaksin. As listed, I can see a correlation of bottom to top, in IQ, wealth, stupidity, as well as being a complet waste of the reproductive process.

Would you buy stock in a company with this line up as upper management?

[Arkady]

There is no intention to abolish democracy in its narrowest sense, e.g. majority rule. However, there is a clear intention to abolish all checks and balances, such as the independence of the Senate which in turn selects the independent bodies such as the NACC. There also seems to be a plan to abolish the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. That would take us back to the system where all cases had to go through the normal criminal justice system with corrupt prosecutors deciding on prosecutions based on evidence collected by corrupt police and cases heard in dubious courts if they ever got there at all.

Basically he wants a system where whoever wins the election is not constrained at all by rule of law and corruption and criminal activities by office holders would be even more rampant than they are today. That is a democracy in name only because in practice it functions as a dictatorship where those in power can do whatever they want. As a system of government, it is simply not sustainable because the economy, now growing at only 3-4% and with a ridiculously low tax base, cannot support any more corruption and inefficiency than has to today.

[Moruya]

Who could ever trust the man who called coup more times than a flock of pigeons

[h90]

There is no intention to abolish democracy in its narrowest sense, e.g. majority rule. However, there is a clear intention to abolish all checks and balances, such as the independence of the Senate which in turn selects the independent bodies such as the NACC. There also seems to be a plan to abolish the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. That would take us back to the system where all cases had to go through the normal criminal justice system with corrupt prosecutors deciding on prosecutions based on evidence collected by corrupt police and cases heard in dubious courts if they ever got there at all.

Basically he wants a system where whoever wins the election is not constrained at all by rule of law and corruption and criminal activities by office holders would be even more rampant than they are today. That is a democracy in name only because in practice it functions as a dictatorship where those in power can do whatever they want. As a system of government, it is simply not sustainable because the economy, now growing at only 3-4% and with a ridiculously low tax base, cannot support any more corruption and inefficiency than has to today.

To add: They also try to end the separation of power. The police is already under direct control of the government instead of acting independent.

As well they try to control the media.

There were some speaking about a more efficient single party system.......Than we are in a Democracy like the Democracy of North Korea or East Germany (yes they are/were Democracies, just the choices at the elections are somehow limited).

[mrtoad]

The King Kwai has spoken, of course he always tells the truth

[mrtoad]

Who could ever trust the man who called coup more times than a flock of pigeons

[GeorgeO]

How does he know? Does Thaksin consult him before attempting his machinations?

Jatuporn has little or no knowledge of constitutional law, or even impartial political thought ... but it is very nice to see him commenting on issues without the threat of burning Bangkok to the ground...!!.

[Thai at Heart]

Nice of him to neglect to point out, what the bill actually does, instead of telling us what it doesn't do.

[silent]

Who could ever trust the man who called coup more times than a flock of pigeons

Who? The same flock of pigeons.

[Spare]

Next: Half of the MPs should be selected (half elected), so there is a check and balance.

[greenwoodsolar]

There is no intention to abolish democracy in its narrowest sense, e.g. majority rule. However, there is a clear intention to abolish all checks and balances, such as the independence of the Senate which in turn selects the independent bodies such as the NACC. There also seems to be a plan to abolish the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. That would take us back to the system where all cases had to go through the normal criminal justice system with corrupt prosecutors deciding on prosecutions based on evidence collected by corrupt police and cases heard in dubious courts if they ever got there at all.

Basically he wants a system where whoever wins the election is not constrained at all by rule of law and corruption and criminal activities by office holders would be even more rampant than they are today. That is a democracy in name only because in practice it functions as a dictatorship where those in power can do whatever they want. As a system of government, it is simply not sustainable because the economy, now growing at only 3-4% and with a ridiculously low tax base, cannot support any more corruption and inefficiency than has to today.

Should add, with regard to your second paragraph, that we've been exactly here before, when a ruling party had such a majority that they could ride roughshod over any opposition and with a leader who was untouchable under the law. This led to breathtaking and blatant corruption and eventually sowed the seeds of the coup.

[CIHUAHUA]

Something must exist before you abolish it. Democracy in Thailand seems to go the way of Thai Buddhism all flash and no substance.

[Bkungbank]

DO we really understand what is the meaning of democracy mean?

There 4 person inside a taxi a,b,c and the driverfrom silom to Bang na after reach the destination

According to democratic way minority have to follow majority so the three of them vote not to pay the fare by raise the hand and the driver have to follow accord to democray way of Thais..