Thai Defense Ministry affirms army will not intervene in the protests

[Frank James]

If one respects the duly elected government of the people, and expresses this respect on TV, then one is automatically a "red". That's keeping it simple! If you approve of madmen inciting people to tear down the government and occupy ministries, then you are what? Freedom fighter? Truth seeker? Lover of democracy?

And yet, you don't want another general election to be called because it will come out the same way. Better to run around like monkeys, blowing whistles and disrupting traffic and commerce, hoping the military will step in again. That really helps Thailand.

[MobileContent]

You know a country is in deep trouble when a coup would actually be more" democratic" than the current elected government. Following the coup will be a reinstatement of rule of law and respect of judicial decisions, and ironically governance will be more transparent under a military PM than at present. You see, democracy goes beyond merely having won(or bought) an election.

I disagree - A coup is never a good option. Thailand actually doesn't have a democracy but the country is divided between demographics. The South don't like the North and the North don't like the South. Thaksin is from the North so the people trust in him, Suthep and the Democrat Party is in the South so they trust him. Central Thailand is divided, so the block of the North and North East will always control who becomes the PM.

Then PTP has a strong bond to Chart Thai, Chart Pattana and possible the Newin group from Buriram. With this block she will always get between 50-60% of the vote and the Democrats will always be in the opposition.

If you do want an army backed government ok with me but dissolve all parties for the next 20 years and let the army run the country. Why not go further and became a state like Myanmar for the next 20 years.

[whybother]

If one respects the duly elected government of the people, and expresses this respect on TV, then one is automatically a "red". That's keeping it simple! If you approve of madmen inciting people to tear down the government and occupy ministries, then you are what? Freedom fighter? Truth seeker? Lover of democracy?

And yet, you don't want another general election to be called because it will come out the same way. Better to run around like monkeys, blowing whistles and disrupting traffic and commerce, hoping the military will step in again. That really helps Thailand.

The funny thing is, the people that "respect" this "duly elected government" and disapprove of "madmen inciting people to tear down the government", in 2010 approved of "madmen inciting people to tear down the government" and disapproved of the "duly elected government".

[whybother]

Maybe not 5 but YES they will win again CONVINCINGLY

Do you think less than 50% of the seats will be a "convincing" win?

[Rob8891]

If one respects the duly elected government of the people, and expresses this respect on TV, then one is automatically a "red". That's keeping it simple! If you approve of madmen inciting people to tear down the government and occupy ministries, then you are what? Freedom fighter? Truth seeker? Lover of democracy?

And yet, you don't want another general election to be called because it will come out the same way. Better to run around like monkeys, blowing whistles and disrupting traffic and commerce, hoping the military will step in again. That really helps Thailand.

So you are ignoring recent history, such as the orders to bring bottles to Bangkok and burn the city, blood thrown around, the barricades, the burning mall....Remember 2010???

But ..... Oh, Of course! These were the brave freedom fighters you mentioned. Now, with large scale and PEACEFUL demonstrations in at least 30 provinces, the people are "madmen" and "running around like monkeys".

Your hypocrisy is even more astounding than your blinkered view of recent history.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Water cannon could be the solution after starving Suthep etc out

That ought to prevent loss of life if it comes down to it.

Remember in 2008 The BMA refused the police permission to use water cannon arguing that protestors might get ill if they swallowed the water as it wasn't drinking water!

So the police had to resort to teargas.Then we had the guff about exploding chinese made tear gas cannisters but the oddity of 2 people blowing themselves up. Was that by design?

Interestingly enough. .. after the incompetent porntip result (this is the person who told us the bomb detector worked while the maker was in court for fraud in the uk) - the police had another external consultant examine the evidence.

The man who lost his leg was carrying a pipe bomb. The one killed in the jeep cherokee as well, and the woman as well.

All three were killed by home made bombs the pad had. Not the police.

But as a very important person went to the funeral of the woman and condemned the violence by police - they will never release the results

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The guy who died they never found his hands because they believe he was holding it (the bomb) when it went off.

[JAG]

If one respects the duly elected government of the people, and expresses this respect on TV, then one is automatically a "red". That's keeping it simple! If you approve of madmen inciting people to tear down the government and occupy ministries, then you are what? Freedom fighter? Truth seeker? Lover of democracy?

 

And yet, you don't want another general election to be called because it will come out the same way. Better to run around like monkeys, blowing whistles and disrupting traffic and commerce, hoping the military will step in again.  That really helps Thailand.

 

The funny thing is, the people that "respect" this "duly elected government" and disapprove of "madmen inciting people to tear down the government", in 2010 approved of "madmen inciting people to tear down the government" and disapproved of the "duly elected government".

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That's automatically the case is it?

You know my views on all the events of 2010 do you?

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[MrSlatersParrot]

If one respects the duly elected government of the people, and expresses this respect on TV, then one is automatically a "red". That's keeping it simple! If you approve of madmen inciting people to tear down the government and occupy ministries, then you are what? Freedom fighter? Truth seeker? Lover of democracy?

And yet, you don't want another general election to be called because it will come out the same way. Better to run around like monkeys, blowing whistles and disrupting traffic and commerce, hoping the military will step in again. That really helps Thailand.

So you are ignoring recent history, such as the orders to bring bottles to Bangkok and burn the city, blood thrown around, the barricades, the burning mall....Remember 2010???

But ..... Oh, Of course! These were the brave freedom fighters you mentioned. Now, with large scale and PEACEFUL demonstrations in at least 30 provinces, the people are "madmen" and "running around like monkeys".

Your hypocrisy is even more astounding than your blinkered view of recent history.

I hope you remember what happened in 2008 and see that events may probably follow along on a similar line.

There has to be human sacrifice for any chance of success. Reds or yellow.

But back in 2010 both Colonel Romklao Thuwatham and Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej were assassinated.

"At 8:52 p.m., at his command post between two APCs at the southern end of Dinso Road facing Democracy Monument, Colonel Romklao Thuwatham was assassinated in a targeted grenade attack that also killed three other nearby soldiers.Although widely reported to have been an M-79 fired from a distance, the grenade was most probably thrown or rolled by somebody nearby

Moments later, a second grenade targeted Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej, mortally wounding him. He lost consciousness immediately, and died some days later in hospital. The 200 soldiers in Dinso Road had lost both their commanding officers within the space of a sudden, shocking 30 seconds."(Andrew Macgregor Marshall).

The murder of the 2 senior commanding officers led to a chain of events that have been thrashed out endlessly on this forum.

Had this incident not happened most (almost all) of the soldiers had no intent to kill their fellow countrymen

A third hand was at work. Anapong's loyalties were divided. It was a disaster but not instigated by the redshirts. No way

[whybother]

I hope you remember what happened in 2008 and see that events may probably follow along on a similar line.

There has to be human sacrifice for any chance of success. Reds or yellow.

But back in 2010 both Colonel Romklao Thuwatham and Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej were assassinated.

"At 8:52 p.m., at his command post between two APCs at the southern end of Dinso Road facing Democracy Monument, Colonel Romklao Thuwatham was assassinated in a targeted grenade attack that also killed three other nearby soldiers.Although widely reported to have been an M-79 fired from a distance, the grenade was most probably thrown or rolled by somebody nearby

Moments later, a second grenade targeted Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej, mortally wounding him. He lost consciousness immediately, and died some days later in hospital. The 200 soldiers in Dinso Road had lost both their commanding officers within the space of a sudden, shocking 30 seconds."(Andrew Macgregor Marshall).

The murder of the 2 senior commanding officers led to a chain of events that have been thrashed out endlessly on this forum.

Had this incident not happened most (almost all) of the soldiers had no intent to kill their fellow countrymen

A third hand was at work. Anapong's loyalties were divided. It was a disaster but not instigated by the redshirts. No way

Just very closely linked to the red shirts.

[MrSlatersParrot]

I hope you remember what happened in 2008 and see that events may probably follow along on a similar line.

There has to be human sacrifice for any chance of success. Reds or yellow.

But back in 2010 both Colonel Romklao Thuwatham and Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej were assassinated.

"At 8:52 p.m., at his command post between two APCs at the southern end of Dinso Road facing Democracy Monument, Colonel Romklao Thuwatham was assassinated in a targeted grenade attack that also killed three other nearby soldiers.Although widely reported to have been an M-79 fired from a distance, the grenade was most probably thrown or rolled by somebody nearby

Moments later, a second grenade targeted Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej, mortally wounding him. He lost consciousness immediately, and died some days later in hospital. The 200 soldiers in Dinso Road had lost both their commanding officers within the space of a sudden, shocking 30 seconds."(Andrew Macgregor Marshall).

The murder of the 2 senior commanding officers led to a chain of events that have been thrashed out endlessly on this forum.

Had this incident not happened most (almost all) of the soldiers had no intent to kill their fellow countrymen

A third hand was at work. Anapong's loyalties were divided. It was a disaster but not instigated by the redshirts. No way

Just very closely linked to the red shirts.

Well here we have Suthep and Lucky to be alive Sondhi and their ill assorted bunch of vagabond ultra nationalists/fascist groups and reportedly paying 800 baht for men and 500 baht for women ( I read it on Thaivisa so It must be true surely) per day.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.

What a ghastly assortment and hearing Suthep talking about environmental protection when his gang have caused so much environmental havoc on Samui and Phuket.

On Samui they have a law no development on and incline of 30 degree or more so his son has a development on a mountainside at a greater degree than 30 degree.

They're untouchables.

Suthep as leader or backroom power? Pol Pot springs to mind.

Remember too that Suthep has told us he doesn't like foreigners

Looneytunes

[EyesWideOpen]

Odd headline......what about the other 18 coups ???

[whybother]

 

I hope you remember what happened in 2008 and see that events may probably follow along on a  similar line.

There has to be human sacrifice for any chance of success. Reds or yellow.

But back in 2010 both Colonel Romklao Thuwatham and Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej were assassinated.

"At 8:52 p.m., at his command post between two APCs at the southern end of Dinso Road facing Democracy Monument, Colonel Romklao Thuwatham was assassinated in a targeted grenade attack that also killed three other nearby soldiers.Although widely reported to have been an M-79 fired from a distance, the grenade was most probably thrown or rolled by somebody nearby

Moments later, a second grenade targeted Lieutenant Colonel Kriengsak Nanda-photidej, mortally wounding him. He lost consciousness immediately, and died some days later in hospital. The 200 soldiers in Dinso Road had lost both their commanding officers within the space of a sudden, shocking 30 seconds."(Andrew Macgregor Marshall).

The murder of the 2 senior commanding officers led to a chain of events that have been thrashed out endlessly on this forum.

Had this incident not happened most (almost all) of the soldiers had no intent to kill their fellow countrymen

A third hand was at work. Anapong's loyalties were divided. It was a disaster but not instigated by the redshirts. No way

 

 

Just very closely linked to the red shirts.

 

Well here we have Suthep and Lucky to be alive Sondhi and their ill assorted bunch of vagabond ultra nationalists/fascist groups  and reportedly paying 800 baht for men and 500 baht for women ( I read it on Thaivisa so It must be true surely) per day. 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.

What a ghastly assortment and hearing Suthep talking about environmental protection when his gang have caused so much environmental havoc on Samui and Phuket.

On Samui they have a law no development on and incline of 30 degree or more so his son has a development on a mountainside at a greater degree than 30 degree.

They're untouchables.

Suthep as leader or backroom power? Pol Pot springs to mind.

Remember too that Suthep has told us he doesn't like foreigners

Looneytunes

Not sure what all that has to do the fact that the people that killed the army personnel with grenades were closely linked to the red shirt protesters.

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[soundman]

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[JRSoul]

It would be a very strange coup indeed that was announced to the MoD (who happens to be the PM) in advance. Usually the last announcement to be made before the coup begins is that there will be no coup.

BTW very handy to have the anti-coup pro-government demonstrators in a stadium. They could be easily contained and allowed out one busload at a time to be sent home. What genius came up with that idea?

[Frank James]

If one respects the duly elected government of the people, and expresses this respect on TV, then one is automatically a "red". That's keeping it simple! If you approve of madmen inciting people to tear down the government and occupy ministries, then you are what? Freedom fighter? Truth seeker? Lover of democracy?

And yet, you don't want another general election to be called because it will come out the same way. Better to run around like monkeys, blowing whistles and disrupting traffic and commerce, hoping the military will step in again. That really helps Thailand.

So you are ignoring recent history, such as the orders to bring bottles to Bangkok and burn the city, blood thrown around, the barricades, the burning mall....Remember 2010???

But ..... Oh, Of course! These were the brave freedom fighters you mentioned. Now, with large scale and PEACEFUL demonstrations in at least 30 provinces, the people are "madmen" and "running around like monkeys".

Your hypocrisy is even more astounding than your blinkered view of recent history.

I have never approved of nor condoned the "red shirt insurgency" of 2010. (Not that my approval or condemnation counts for anything whatsoever.) I will say again that the government in place at that time let the situation get out of control through their inaction for several weeks, and then the extreme over-reaction that followed, leading to so much needless death and destruction.

The current government seems to be following a similar script, and things are heading for another disastrous result. Arrest the instigators, clear the buildings and the streets. Easy to say, but apparently hard to manage.

[whybother]

I have never approved of nor condoned the "red shirt insurgency" of 2010. (Not that my approval or condemnation counts for anything whatsoever.) I will say again that the government in place at that time let the situation get out of control through their inaction for several weeks, and then the extreme over-reaction that followed, leading to so much needless death and destruction.

The current government seems to be following a similar script, and things are heading for another disastrous result. Arrest the instigators, clear the buildings and the streets. Easy to say, but apparently hard to manage.

The problem for both this and the previous government is that they're in between a rock and a hard place. They can't/couldn't crack down on peaceful protesters, but the protesters keep raising the stakes until the government are forced to act. The problem for the previous government was that the protesters then brought out their armed militia. Lets hope this current mob don't do that.

[Bpuumike]

You know a country is in deep trouble when a coup would actually be more" democratic" than the current elected government. Following the coup will be a reinstatement of rule of law and respect of judicial decisions, and ironically governance will be more transparent under a military PM than at present. You see, democracy goes beyond merely having won(or bought) an election.

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Best comments I've seen.

The army won't intervene... until after 5th December.

[Roadman]

One would have thought it would be obvious to this Thaksin dictatorial government what they need to do if they wish to have Army support. Stop ripping apart the few democratic principles that provide the peoples checks and balances to stop scum like Thaksin gaining absolute power. Apply democratic principles and abide by the laws that go with it and the puppet mouth piece will find that Army support will gradually come as democracy is allowed to flourish.

There are two things that the Dubai convicted fugitive criminal can take out of this latest stupidity. He has no future in Thailand unless he is prepared to accept democratic law. His government has no support from the Army who will correctly back the people if he wishes his mouth piece and lackeys to use the Pheu Thai vote only to put the amnesty bill into law. The ball is in the bimbo PM's court on the amnesty bill. She can bury it or vote it in and then the Army correctly will act. In the interim she can call herself whatever she likes in terms of control of the Army but she and more importantly the world has been put on notice of exactly where she sits in the great scheme of things unless she is prepared to play democratic ball.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Roadman