Suthep: wrong man at the right time?

[VegasVic]

It’s not about Prime Minister Yingluk and the Shinawatra family.

The Anti Government Protesters seem to hate democracy. It’s more about power and getting their hands on the 'benefits'. They miss feeding from the trough of corruption. Their real leader Mr Abhisit was the appointed Prime Minister but failed miserably and was soundly beaten in a democratic election. They are poor losers. Thailand has an elected Government and an Opposition with all the necessary checks and balances on abuses of power. Are the elite and so called educated Thai people so stupid they desire to see their wonderful country self destruct through greed and intolerance. Its time to stop the nonsense. "Anti Government" seems to be more like "Anti Thailand"

A very concise and accurate description of the curent events, kudos to you

[Mackie]

It’s not about Prime Minister Yingluk and the Shinawatra family.

The Anti Government Protesters seem to hate democracy. It’s more about power and getting their hands on the 'benefits'. They miss feeding from the trough of corruption. Their real leader Mr Abhisit was the appointed Prime Minister but failed miserably and was soundly beaten in a democratic election. They are poor losers. Thailand has an elected Government and an Opposition with all the necessary checks and balances on abuses of power. Are the elite and so called educated Thai people so stupid they desire to see their wonderful country self destruct through greed and intolerance. Its time to stop the nonsense. "Anti Government" seems to be more like "Anti Thailand"

And Thaksin and his best mate Hun Sen, Jatuporn, Nattuwit and the rest of the gang are well known democracy and human rights lovers. Give us a break. If anyone hates Thailand and Thais is Thaksin. Putting his interest before country and 65 million people. Stirring trouble and bringing the whole country to a brink of a civil war twice. Incidentally, it is well know fact that he and his cronies hired Cambodian mercenaries to cause havoc in 2010. Cambodian thugs had the best of both worlds. Killing Thais on both sides and getting paid for it by Mr Thaksin. As treasonous as it gets. Mr Thaksin sided with Thailand's arch enemy Cambodia against his own country.

[hellodolly]

I don't think anybody doubts the corruption and mistakes/wrong doings of the current government.

However, they were democratically elected.

Democracy means you stick to the results of an official election untill the next election, even if the government does things you don't like.

Creating a "people's council", probably containing all yellow shirts, would have no legal or constitutional grounds and give the redshirts a legitimate reason to start the massive protests all over again because they would be, once again, illegally replaced by the opposition. This would create a never ending circle, bringing only more misery and problems for the country and the people.

The only way for the opposition to legally take over the government, is by winning the elections. But in order to do so, they must make the Thai people understand WHY the Thaksin regime is bad for the country.

If they can't do that, they must wait and hope that the people will come to "see the light" themselves and realize they made the wrong choice.

Trying to illegally remove a government which has been democratically elected will only end up in a never ending spiral of violence, problems and misery.

Wait for the next elections or dissolve the House and create new elections: that's the only correct way to go.

I just realized in a democracy you would not be allowed to pick your time for elections it would be a set figure. Like the States it is every 4 years unless all the leaders die. They have a long list of people who would step up to be President in case of mass deaths. It would be an orderly procession no infighting. At all times there is one of the people on that list present in the white house. they may be the sixth down but there is a man ready to step in.

I believe Canada has finally set a fixed time for elections. Not sure been away from there for a while.

[DGIE]

Suthep may fail and maybe the wrong person in the right time or vice-versa.

But at least there is somebody who led people to voice out the government corruption.

But he may have enumerated what the government had corrupted and prepared to defend his allegations

[billd766]

crazykopite, on 07 Dec 2013 - 12:08, said:

Has anyone had a look at SUTHEPS bank account bet he has more money than most of us falangs look at his corruption record in Phuket a peoples self elected government no wonder they call it AMAZING THAILAND.

Was wondering if you could detail for me, and no doubt others, "his corruption record in Phuket" as you obviously know all about it.

If you are referring to the land he gave titles for to those who had occupied the land for years then there was a topic on here not long back which gave details of that.

I am not going to point you to it as you already know, or do you only know the red BS.

From memory there were 470 odd titles given to those who had a history of occupation of the land, 11 of those went to families who had money and yes they also had a history of occupation just the same as all the others who were given title.

If you want to know how much money Suthep has, go look, he must have made a declaration of assets before the last election as every candidate must and that is a matter of public record.

Then you can check where he stands on the list of wealthiest, way below most of PT MP's I would suspect.

Once you have done that then you can post some informed comment instead of innuendo .

Don't hold your breath waiting for the reply.

I asked him the same thing a day or so ago and I am still waiting.

It reminds me of when I was a kid and had no answer and my Mum used to say, "Has the cat got your tongue".

[Scott]

Some off-topic posts have been deleted as well as replies. The absolute nonsensical hair-splitting discussion of % of votes/voters/eligible voters and other irrelevant spin has been deleted. The thread isn't about the US and the % of votes for particular presidents or the role of the supreme court or a republic vs. a democracy.

The topic is about Suthep and what is going on in Thailand at this point in time.

Stay on topic, please.

[billd766]

He is the right guy for the job if you want to show both sides are led by crooks who are morally and ethically bankrupt like the country will be in 15-20 years unless the country gets some new leadership.

It won't take that long.

[Credo]

Didn't Suthep and his family have something to do with the palm oil shortage a few years back? I remember reading something about it. That was strange since the country which is the 2nd largest producer of palm oil had a shortage.

[DGIE]

I don't think anybody doubts the corruption and mistakes/wrong doings of the current government.

However, they were democratically elected.

Democracy means you stick to the results of an official election untill the next election, even if the government does things you don't like.

Creating a "people's council", probably containing all yellow shirts, would have no legal or constitutional grounds and give the redshirts a legitimate reason to start the massive protests all over again because they would be, once again, illegally replaced by the opposition. This would create a never ending circle, bringing only more misery and problems for the country and the people.

The only way for the opposition to legally take over the government, is by winning the elections. But in order to do so, they must make the Thai people understand WHY the Thaksin regime is bad for the country.

If they can't do that, they must wait and hope that the people will come to "see the light" themselves and realize they made the wrong choice.

Trying to illegally remove a government which has been democratically elected will only end up in a never ending spiral of violence, problems and misery.

Wait for the next elections or dissolve the House and create new elections: that's the only correct way to go.

If the answer is to wait for the next election, two years from now, then this country is going to go broke...!

I think the country is going to lost more by the continuing protest.

But at least there are people who are there to voice out the corruption in the government. So maybe the government will slow down corruption a little this time

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[DGIE]

Didn't Suthep and his family have something to do with the palm oil shortage a few years back? I remember reading something about it. That was strange since the country which is the 2nd largest producer of palm oil had a shortage.

Well, maybe Suthep and family had fried lots (of fish and chicken) so there was a shortage of palm oil.

[DGIE]

I repeat what I said many times before. The government has consistently flouted the rule of law and pissed on the constitution, so stop bloody trying to hide behind them just because it suits them now in trying to justify their misdeeds. 'They were democratically elected' - BS. They bought their way in with mass bribery and stupid populist promises that the uneducated were stupid enough to believe not understanding that they would have to pay the bill for decades to come. The moment they tried to ram through the amnesty crap they lost whatever little shred of legitimacy they had left and when they said 'we will never accept a ruling that is not in our favour' and tried to remove the constitutional court judges they crossed the line WAy WAY ! onto the wrong side. Democracy MY ASS and constitution MY ASS ! They are nothing but a self serving bunch of crooks. Impeach the lot of them and imprison them for life especially the red leaders that instigated the 2010 violence and the entire Shin regime. Put someone decent in charge, use the Shin regimes ill gotten gains and pump it into infra structure and education and bolster the economy and make this country as good as it could and should be....

tingtongt...

you said that the government has consistently flouted..........

My answer is, I saw that as a nature to many government not only Thailand.

You said that put someone decent in charge....

Who is the decent in charge you are referring to? Who will put him/her in the position?

I think Abhisit is decent and handsome. But Yingl is also decent and beautiful..

sense of humor sometimes. Let's not always be serious.

Edited December 8, 2013 by DGIE

[hellodolly]

I repeat what I said many times before. The government has consistently flouted the rule of law and pissed on the constitution, so stop bloody trying to hide behind them just because it suits them now in trying to justify their misdeeds. 'They were democratically elected' - BS. They bought their way in with mass bribery and stupid populist promises that the uneducated were stupid enough to believe not understanding that they would have to pay the bill for decades to come. The moment they tried to ram through the amnesty crap they lost whatever little shred of legitimacy they had left and when they said 'we will never accept a ruling that is not in our favour' and tried to remove the constitutional court judges they crossed the line WAy WAY ! onto the wrong side. Democracy MY ASS and constitution MY ASS ! They are nothing but a self serving bunch of crooks. Impeach the lot of them and imprison them for life especially the red leaders that instigated the 2010 violence and the entire Shin regime. Put someone decent in charge, use the Shin regimes ill gotten gains and pump it into infra structure and education and bolster the economy and make this country as good as it could and should be....

These uneduacted as you call them, aren't as stupid as you make them out to be. I certainly hope you are not actually living in Thailand, if you do, you have no bleeding idea of what exactly makes the average Thai ttick. I can assure you that PT or Thaksin aren't voted in by vote buying. The guy has opened a box, and These people aren't stupid, they don't vote for a party that has neglected them for decades, they have learned just how much they can make their voices heard. So they vote for someone that actualy made a difference, and they won't take Suthep's <deleted> lying down.

Not sure why you are talking about the constitution, the other side has shown without any doubt, that they believe the constitution doesn't apply to them, and the violation is without any doubt much more grave.

But hey, the average Thai person is uneducated, so the "educated" have their excuse.

Utter <deleted>, nothing more needs to be said.

With all due respect both you and me have heard Yingluck say she will not abide by the constitutional courts decision.

can't remember the Democrats saying that or doing it. Please be more specific.

[fab4]

With all due respect both you and me have heard Yingluck say she will not abide by the constitutional courts decision.

can't remember the Democrats saying that or doing it. Please be more specific.

Whilst we're on the subject of specifics please define exactly where and when did

"Yingluck say she will not abide by the constitutional courts decision"

It's truth time, hellodolly

[harada]

Looks like Thailand will once again have to take another couple of steps backward because someone isn't getting their back pocket filled.