Somtamnication Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 So, the story will end with the police chief arresting him, thereby obeying the arrest warrant he has on his good self and we all live peacefully ever after. Or until another "satellite" falls exactly at the Thai-Burmese border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsuar Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 And what about his 2 arrest warrants ? Are they only jokes ?are your buddy Taksins a joke? At least Suthep stays to face whatever comes to him instead of showing a yellow cowards back and running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 The army is responsible for stability here. The protests threaten that, and all threats must be addressed. The Shinawatras threaten that, and all threats must be addressed. People's lives are at stake here. This is not a football match. My devil's advocate alter ego says "No sh##, Sherlock Holmes. Have another pipe full of cocaine while you rant one color or another." The only bloodless solution is compromise, and both sides have made it very clear they will accept no compromise, for the good of the country, of course, (and the power base of each particular faction). Both sides are making the armed forces choose a lesser evil. A Nation article, suddenly removed, claimed the sudden power struggle is over succession, the Constitution and the future of the country. That was why the sneaky amnesty bill, the protests and the demands... In the US, they call this a feeding frenzy...maybe some Thai hospital reports are mentioning the unmentionable demise in a timeframe? It would not surprise me. I have great respect for the restraint the armed forces have shown, while these bickering children who are puppets of two kinds pretend to the high moral ground. Tragic. Simply and profoundly tragic. If either side claims absolute power, no one will win....no one. Good to see someone else reading between the lines and connecting the dots. There's a whole lot more going on here than most TV experts realize, unfortunately most of which we can't talk about (as I've repeatedly found out). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaacorp Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 The red were digging their own grave, the people complained more and more about rice scheme and all the false promises. They just had to let it rotten a bit more to win the next elections... Then Suthep arrived and turned to be a mad dog....poor Dems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Deleted a post that was over the top and insulting to many members, as well as those who unfortunately quoted it. Please stop getting so wound up in local politics in which we have no say. It's not worth ripping each other apart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 [quote A Nation article, suddenly removed, claimed the sudden power struggle is over succession, the Constitution and the future of the country. That was why the sneaky amnesty bill, the protests and the demands... Very interesting...anybody else happen to read this article? The Nation, though known to be extreme anti Thaksin and ultra Royalist, would have been an interesting read. Please see the BKK Post story titled "I Understand Suthep" -- the first story to field this idea, and written by Voranai. Scroll down the first page to the bottom, click Voranai Vanijaka (a really easy way to find the story - ha). You will see the column. A third of a way down the article, Voranai states "Why is this happening now" (paraphrased for content license restrictions). "a big, big change is coming to Thailand, and both sides want to be behind the "driver's wheel" when it happens. Duh. One plus one does not equal curry. I am amazed either story was fielded, and disturbed the second one was pulled from the internet at the Nation. This is a taboo subject at the heart of the controversy. Maybe some leaked medical reports show something pending sooner than later is avaialble to the Powers That Be? I don't know, but I would not be surprised. Youth is not on the side of many people, including me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 "Suthep Thaugsuban has said that the meeting tomorrow would be significant and could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule." "... could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule." What on earth is that supposed to mean? It means Thailand and all its inhabitants will henceforth live peacefully and in contentment under the benevolent leadership of our most beloved great and dear leader Suthep You'd rather have Thaksin?... because that's where we've been for the last ten years No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep? 15.5 million, approx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Two days ago Chalerm ordered his arrest within 48 hours. Now he is being invited for a tete a tete with the top brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icare999 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep? 12 mill is a small percentage of a country with 67 mill people. The current government was voted in by over 53% in both constituency and proportional votes. A clear majority, leading to 60% of seats, again a clear majority. Now what democratic mandate has Suthep ? who cares democracy does not exist here and however many votes Taksin can buy does not make it democratic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somrak Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 The fact that the top military people are meeting him shows they're taking him seriously. <snip>e Yeah, they took Seh Daeng seriously, too. sniper.gif I think you mean TSs police or the MiBS. Who it looks like shoot the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What's mr. Morita from the karate kid doing in that pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) [quote A Nation article, suddenly removed, claimed the sudden power struggle is over succession, the Constitution and the future of the country. That was why the sneaky amnesty bill, the protests and the demands... Very interesting...anybody else happen to read this article? The Nation, though known to be extreme anti Thaksin and ultra Royalist, would have been an interesting read. Please see the BKK Post story titled "I Understand Suthep" -- the first story to field this idea, and written by Voranai. Scroll down the first page to the bottom, click Voranai Vanijaka (a really easy way to find the story - ha). You will see the column. A third of a way down the article, Voranai states "Why is this happening now" (paraphrased for content license restrictions). "a big, big change is coming to Thailand, and both sides want to be behind the "driver's wheel" when it happens. Duh. One plus one does not equal curry. I am amazed either story was fielded, and disturbed the second one was pulled from the internet at the Nation. This is a taboo subject at the heart of the controversy. Maybe some leaked medical reports show something pending sooner than later is avaialble to the Powers That Be? I don't know, but I would not be surprised. Youth is not on the side of many people, including me. Was The Nation story authored by crackpot freelance journalist Andrew Macgregor Marshall by the way? He is full of fantasitical conspiracy theories about Thailand's so called elite. That is if you can keep awake reading his pedestrian prose. Pity he can't travel to Thailand any more. Edited December 11, 2013 by Dogmatix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somrak Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 And what about his 2 arrest warrants ? Are they only jokes ? They come from FoTS. Who will have to stay trail soon to . Think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soi Sauce Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep? 12 mill is a small percentage of a country with 67 mill people. The current government was voted in by over 53% in both constituency and proportional votes. A clear majority, leading to 60% of seats, again a clear majority. Now what democratic mandate has Suthep ? 48% actually. Hardly a majority. Then someone paid other parties to form a coalition; as he did to form TRT.. Check your facts, please. Edited December 11, 2013 by Soi Sauce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puccini Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I can't find a list of the members of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) and would be grateful if somebody posted a link to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBerg Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Suthep served his purpose in raising a huge crowd and uniting various opposition groups. Now he can step back and retire. Abhisit and others should prepare for elections in february. Main point in their campaign should be showing and fighting the many corruption cases of the shina-clan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep? 12 mill is a small percentage of a country with 67 mill people. The current government was voted in by over 53% in both constituency and proportional votes. A clear majority, leading to 60% of seats, again a clear majority. Now what democratic mandate has Suthep ? 48% actually. Hardly a majority. Then someone paid other parties to form a coalition; as he did to form TRT.. Check your facts, please. I suggest you do the same, My post is 100% correct and factual. You do realize that PT wasn't the only coalition party in the government ? In fact the government was a coalition of 5 parties, which as I said, had over 53% on both counts, and 60% of seats in parliament. How that coalition was formed is immaterial. Even if we do ignore the facts, 48% is a hell of a lot more than the second party, and it is in another league when Suthep is concerned, as he has 0% democratic mandate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Go to the BKK Post and see the two photos for this story. The headline photo on the main page is a sad, concerned army officer and a fiercely determined righteous man demanding justice. The second one down the column is a worried and resigned military man listening to demands from a superior while he takes the "olive leaf" position and hides his genitalia in shame as he is (properly, of course) being corrected on the 'real situation'. What's next? Let the photo ops riddle you this... They have not yet mastered media photo op subtlety here... and of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 "Suthep Thaugsuban has said that the meeting tomorrow would be significant and could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule." "... could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule." What on earth is that supposed to mean? it means pay attention to the constitution, who governs, by what right and what is the alternative with what is coming not far down the road regardless. . All the pieces are snapping into place, its really not hard to work out what is being attempted and the message trying to be sent out in the press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Suthep served his purpose in raising a huge crowd and uniting various opposition groups. Now he can step back and retire. Abhisit and others should prepare for elections in february. Main point in their campaign should be showing and fighting the many corruption cases of the shina-clan. They aren't going to let abhisit and the lads mess it up again. They will get their council which who knows might contain abhisit and yingluck but not a parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep? 12 mill is a small percentage of a country with 67 mill people. The current government was voted in by over 53% in both constituency and proportional votes. A clear majority, leading to 60% of seats, again a clear majority. Now what democratic mandate has Suthep ? 48% actually. Hardly a majority. Then someone paid other parties to form a coalition; as he did to form TRT.. Check your facts, please. I suggest you do the same, My post is 100% correct and factual. You do realize that PT wasn't the only coalition party in the government ? In fact the government was a coalition of 5 parties, which as I said, had over 53% on both counts, and 60% of seats in parliament. How that coalition was formed is immaterial. Even if we do ignore the facts, 48% is a hell of a lot more than the second party, and it is in another league when Suthep is concerned, as he has 0% democratic mandate. And you're splitting hairs to enhance your argument... They were not VOTED in to form government. PTP garnered 48% of the vote. This gave them first bite at the cherry to talk to the other parties to attempt to FORM a Government. I agree that how they formed this coalition is immaterial - shall we let the NACC decide perhaps? Anyway, I digress... Majority equals 51% of the vote which then gives them the mandate. Anything less than that, concessions need to be made/paid, backs need to be scratched etc etc to get the job done. Don't kid yourself sjaak327 the Government does not have the majority, they have an agreement, one which PTP's "coalition" have the freedom to shift around and play favorites. This is not a unique situation specific to Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 The fact that the top military people are meeting him shows they're taking him seriously. Yeah, they took Seh Daeng seriously, too. {style_image_url}/attachicon.gif sniper.gif Was there any reason why they wouldn't have taken him seriously? He was "one of them" yes, he may have went off the rails, but they knew - and more or less saw - what he was capable of doing. So far Suthep's kept a fairly steady ship, how long that lasts is anyone's guess. His rhetoric has been just that, he hasn't called for violence (well I guess that's kind of relative, although I haven't heard him say anything insinuating violence) but I could be wrong and maybe there were subliminal messages portrayed within his speeches? Someone out there familiar with the red cause of 2010, did the heads of the military meet openly with the heads of the red shirt protesters? When's this little pow-wow kicking off tomorrow? Just like to get an idea so I can tweet Richard Barrow and ask him if it will be safe to travel from the CBD to Swampy in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Suthep served his purpose in raising a huge crowd and uniting various opposition groups. Now he can step back and retire. Abhisit and others should prepare for elections in february. Main point in their campaign should be showing and fighting the many corruption cases of the shina-clan. They aren't going to let abhisit and the lads mess it up again. They will get their council which who knows might contain abhisit and yingluck but not a parliament. At the last election the yellows called for a boycott of the Democratic Party and not likely to change their stance. Suthep will likely argue that under the direction of the Shinawatras, the PTP has disqualified itself by its attempts to change the constitution (in favour of personal advantage to Thaksin), its attempt to change the composition of the Senate (to force through pro-Thaksin measure) and thirdly, force through an Amnesty Bill to allow back Thaksin. In short that the whole business of government has been corrupted towards a personal agenda and that the government has constantly lied in its denial at being directed from Dubai. He will state that it is impossible to normalise political activity while the Shinawatras are running things. But will the army do anything other than nod? At the very least he may get out of them a commitment to 'protect the constitution'. This is code for keeping Thaksin out. Edited December 11, 2013 by SheungWan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) And you're splitting hairs to enhance your argument... They were not VOTED in to form government. PTP garnered 48% of the vote. This gave them first bite at the cherry to talk to the other parties to attempt to FORM a Government. I agree that how they formed this coalition is immaterial - shall we let the NACC decide perhaps? Anyway, I digress... Majority equals 51% of the vote which then gives them the mandate. Anything less than that, concessions need to be made/paid, backs need to be scratched etc etc to get the job done. Don't kid yourself sjaak327 the Government does not have the majority, they have an agreement, one which PTP's "coalition" have the freedom to shift around and play favorites. This is not a unique situation specific to Thailand. You shoudn't kid yourself. It cannot be denied that the government does have a majority, they have 300 out of 500 seats in parliament, now 300=60% which is more than 50%. As said the 5 parties did have over 53% on both the constituenty and proportional votes. Formation of coalition governments is normal practice in almost any democratic country and of course the mandate is calculated based upon the whole coalition, not just one party ! The only out of the ordinairy thing here is that the biggest party achieved a whopping 48% of the popular vote, even more confirming the mandate they did receive. PT achieved these 48% not in a dual party democracy such as the US, but in a multiple party democracy such as Thailand. 48% is an outstanding achievement, certainly considering the second party only received 35% of the votes, which is quite a distance away. Of course this is all a moot dicussion. As PT alone already received a clear majority in parliament with their 265 seats. Doubts about the mandate of the government are silly as they clearly had a mandate. Edited December 11, 2013 by sjaak327 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 It is necessary for the PDRC leaders to meet the military top brass and the national police chief. And turns himself in for the warrants he has for his arrest? This place is amazing. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post retsdon Posted December 11, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2013 The political turmoil in Thailand is a symptom. It's not the disease. The real root cause of Thailand's woes is legal - not political at all. And the legal problem is that there is inequality before the law. Nobody of a certain class or position, irrespective of their political affiliations, will ever see the inside of a prison no matter what crimes they might commit. And the same goes for the members of their families, or people under their patronage. Murder, grand theft, embezzlement on an industrial scale...if you are rich enough or connected enough nobody can touch you. And so you end up with absurd headlines like 'Chalerm calls for Suthep's arrest' And the media publish it like it meant anything. But in reality, both of them know that they can do whatever they want and nothing's going to happen to either of them. Gosh, a little wheeling and dealing and they could be coalition partners in the next governenment. Meanwhile, back in the real world, they'd have been sharing a cell together years ago. And that's the problem in a nutshell. None of these people have the slightest regard for the law because it simply doesnt' apply to them. And until Thailand sorts that out, and has equality before the law, no civilized or modern political system of any kind can work. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Funny thing with all these threats ; all those posters without an aviator........................... Don't worry Bubblegum,they are only "Temps" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 This guy is dangerous for Thailand. I'm no fan of the current government, but this man would be worse. My vote is for a super rich convicted criminal living in a foreign country to run Thailand - do I have a second ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 This guy is dangerous for Thailand. I'm no fan of the current government, but this man would be worse. My vote is for a super rich convicted criminal living in a foreign country to run Thailand - do I have a second ? No can't second it smedly! it would never work for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Funny thing with all these threats ; all those posters without an aviator........................... Pilotless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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