Protest leader Suthep declares Bangkok seizure after New Year

[oldthaihand99]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

The Shins were voted in democraticly.

If the people want to be rid of them, let them vote them out.

Or other forces could try to keep sending them into exile, one by one.

Or stage a coup of various kinds, such as military, legal or "reform".

[ratcatcher]

This is going to put Yingluck in the same position as Abhisit in 2010. Faced with an organised mob orchestrated by a dictator, albeit from the front not the rear this time, the question is how will she react when she knows she must avoid at all costs leaving herself open to charges like the Democrat PM.

Those January Sales must look more inviting by the minute.

From the front? Old Musso never goes anywhere near the battle grounds that he sends the cannon fodder to. Did you see him at the election registeration punch-up? Of course not, he struts about the stage at Victory Monument ranting and raving to the cameras of his own TV station protected by his bodyguard of thugs.

You could do us all a favour by not trying to make this utterly corrupt old crook appear to be some kind of Joan of Arc, rather than the desperate has-been that he is, trying to get his snout back in the trough.

I totally agree with you catmac. Old "Musso" is taking a page from "Old Square-head's" strategy book re avoiding exposure in conflict areas.

But it is interesting to see "Old Musso" marching at the head of thousands of his followers just like "Old Square-head" did back in 2010.

Old "Square-head" was always around to lend support to his red shirt followers just like "Old Musso" is doing, only from thousands of miles away..

"Musso"rants on stage at Democracy Monument while "Old Square-head" ranted from his penthouse in Dubai.

[Old Man River]

it's not bangkokians, who should leave the city, but you and your goons should go back to the sticks.

many in the private sector are going to be seriously p*issed when the city will be run amok by endless protests.

I would like to agree with this, but am finding it is primarily foreigners who are seriously pissed. From what I have been experiencing from Thais (family, friends, acquaintances), and what I am reading, this country is so polarized that those who used to have an open mind, no longer do.

You are either a RS or not a RS. There is little in between. I have learned to not even try to discuss issues with Thai Bangkokians unless you first let them know you are on their side. As an example, just look at the problems objective journalists are having in Bangkok.

[Thailand]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

And you think this guy is OK? Hmmmm.

Let's see what the people of Bangkok think in the New Year. Suthep is completely off his trolley and needs a padded room!

And by the way, the PTP were elected by the people.

Edited December 28, 2013 by Thailand

[Robby nz]

Surely the ordinary middle-class workers who went along with the peaceful protests will be reeling with how this is turning out. Violent, murderous mobs roaming the streets.

More than likely the same violent murderous mobs we saw attacking the army back in 2010.

So far we have had someone shooting down at uni students, 2 students were arrested with a handgun and ammunition but it was never said if they ever used it.

We saw more shooting down at protesters and probably the police as well from the labor ministry building.

Now we see someone in a car doing a drive by shooting.

All resulting in deaths and injuries.

And still Yingluck , the clone (his word not mine) who can stop this by stepping down and agreeing to postpone an election till after reforms, for the good of the country and the people, refuses.

Refuses because big brother does not care how many die as long as he can cling to power.

The EC have given several reasons why an election can be postponed, one of these is :

" A poll can be delayed by 30 days via royal decree if there is civil unrest, floods, fire or other eventualities (according to Article 78 of the 2007 Constitution's organic law on elections)

There is certainly civil unrest happening at the moment so that is ample reason to postpone.

Another reason is if all parties agree that there should be a postponement.

The only ones that do not agree are PT, they are pushing for an election regardless of how much trouble it causes nor how many die in the process.

[oldthaihand99]

"Protest leader Suthep declares Bangkok seizure after New Year"

I declare seizure of the north & south poles for England.

[1ma]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

Dictatorship = democratically elected at every democratic election for the past decade?

Amazing Thailand.

As for your offer of a view point, perhaps the Dems could offer the poor majority something other than indignation and disrespect, then go to the polls and actually win an election. Horrific thought I know, showing uneducated peasants respect and fairness, so I won't hold my breath for Dem policy reform in order to win, but instead foot stomping and toy throwing because they are not allowed what they want.

Edited December 28, 2013 by 1ma

[Bangkokhatter]

Old Musso's in top form today! Stand by for the Blitzkrieg you lucky Bangkok people! He did let slip that his mob are being backed and financed by big business, not suprising in this land of unfettered monopolies and cartels all enriching themselves at the public expense.

Will be interesting to hear the squeels from the "hi-so" expats working for big International companies when their phone lines and power are turned off by the mob. They might be posted to Singapore and lose all that cheap sex that makes BKK so appealling to them!

What a crass, ignorant post or maybe your just jealous of expats who can actually find a decent job over here. Many of us have families over here and a vested interest in the country.

You seem to think it's quite funny how Suthep and his followers are tearing the capital apart.

[jcb2001]

This is now escalating into what..... i fear the result of what this man now have sat in motion

Which man? Thaksin or Suthip?

[Tommy2cents]

Surely the nail in the coffin for Thai tourism. My condolences to the families.

[jcb2001]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

And you think this guy is OK? Hmmmm.

Let's see what the people of Bangkok think in the New Year. Suthep is completely off his trolley and needs a padded room!

And by the way, the PTP were elected by the people.

And you think that a bought election that put Pheu Thai in power and gave them carte blanc to do whatever they want and are above the law is democratic?

[newcomer71]

This is going to put Yingluck in the same position as Abhisit in 2010. Faced with an organised mob orchestrated by a dictator, albeit from the front not the rear this time, the question is how will she react when she knows she must avoid at all costs leaving herself open to charges like the Democrat PM.

Those January Sales must look more inviting by the minute.

From the front? Old Musso never goes anywhere near the battle grounds that he sends the cannon fodder to. Did you see him at the election registeration punch-up? Of course not, he struts about the stage at Victory Monument ranting and raving to the cameras of his own TV station protected by his bodyguard of thugs.

You could do us all a favour by not trying to make this utterly corrupt old crook appear to be some kind of Joan of Arc, rather than the desperate has-been that he is, trying to get his snout back in the trough.

I totally agree with you catmac. Old "Musso" is taking a page from "Old Square-head's" strategy book re avoiding exposure in conflict areas.

But it is interesting to see "Old Musso" marching at the head of thousands of his followers just like "Old Square-head" did back in 2010.

Old "Square-head" was always around to lend support to his red shirt followers just like "Old Musso" is doing, only from thousands of miles away..

"Musso"rants on stage at Democracy Monument while "Old Square-head" ranted from his penthouse in Dubai.

Yesterday someone said: make Thaksin disappear and all problems will vanish.

I would reformulate in: Make all Thaksin, Suthep, and corrupt greedy politician disappear and we will have a good start,

Thaksin - Suthep. Two pages of the same book.

And hey! Yes! Surprise! There is many people hating them both, so the meaning of "I don't like Suthep", it is not "I like Thaksin".

[englishoak]

Surely the ordinary middle-class workers who went along with the peaceful protests will be reeling with how this is turning out. Violent, murderous mobs roaming the streets.

More than likely the same violent murderous mobs we saw attacking the army back in 2010.

So far we have had someone shooting down at uni students, 2 students were arrested with a handgun and ammunition but it was never said if they ever used it.

We saw more shooting down at protesters and probably the police as well from the labor ministry building.

Now we see someone in a car doing a drive by shooting.

All resulting in deaths and injuries.

And still Yingluck , the clone (his word not mine) who can stop this by stepping down and agreeing to postpone an election till after reforms, for the good of the country and the people, refuses.

Refuses because big brother does not care how many die as long as he can cling to power.

The EC have given several reasons why an election can be postponed, one of these is :

" A poll can be delayed by 30 days via royal decree if there is civil unrest, floods, fire or other eventualities (according to Article 78 of the 2007 Constitution's organic law on elections)

There is certainly civil unrest happening at the moment so that is ample reason to postpone.

Another reason is if all parties agree that there should be a postponement.

The only ones that do not agree are PT, they are pushing for an election regardless of how much trouble it causes nor how many die in the process.

You dont like a democratic process being followed through do you ?

These idiots have demanded more and more and more since they started the protests every time a concession has been made... ... enough with all the excuses and no answers.... this suthep is just a talking head with absolutely no solutions. Only threats

30 days later will just be pushed back more and more .... same old promise take a little bit then a little bit more etc etc

wont make any difference get it over with and let us all get back to normality in this city.... without this ahole

[Tchooptip]

glad i am in Phuket

... soon people will need excuses to stay in Phuket

[wprime]

"Mr Suthep said those killed and injured in clashes with the authorities will be given financial aid from the fund of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC)."

Does this mean he is looking for volunteers to fill the position of 'cannon fodder'?

I'm sure he will call them martyrs.

[oldthaihand99]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

And you think this guy is OK? Hmmmm.

Let's see what the people of Bangkok think in the New Year. Suthep is completely off his trolley and needs a padded room!

And by the way, the PTP were elected by the people.

And you think that a bought election that put Pheu Thai in power and gave them carte blanc to do whatever they want and are above the law is democratic?

Election was fair. Democratic.

Power not absolute. Neither is Obama's, with the finger on bombs to nuke planet earth.

Corruption is another matter. There is a legal system to deal with criminals, e.g. TS.

[soi41]

We expats do often not understand the divide in Thai society, and the unwillingness to compromise or negotiate. After following the "debate" here on Thaivisa the last couple of days. It looks like:

Followed by NO

So maybe "we" are not so much smarter than the Thais afterall??

[Thailand]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

And you think this guy is OK? Hmmmm.

Let's see what the people of Bangkok think in the New Year. Suthep is completely off his trolley and needs a padded room!

And by the way, the PTP were elected by the people.

And you think that a bought election that put Pheu Thai in power and gave them carte blanc to do whatever they want and are above the law is democratic?

And I bet you think that vote buying is limited to one party don't you ?

And as for being democratic, the people said it was, they do count don't they?

[Gone]

Surely the ordinary middle-class workers who went along with the peaceful protests will be reeling with how this is turning out. Violent, murderous mobs roaming the streets.

More than likely the same violent murderous mobs we saw attacking the army back in 2010.

So far we have had someone shooting down at uni students, 2 students were arrested with a handgun and ammunition but it was never said if they ever used it.

We saw more shooting down at protesters and probably the police as well from the labor ministry building.

Now we see someone in a car doing a drive by shooting.

All resulting in deaths and injuries.

And still Yingluck , the clone (his word not mine) who can stop this by stepping down and agreeing to postpone an election till after reforms, for the good of the country and the people, refuses.

Refuses because big brother does not care how many die as long as he can cling to power.

The EC have given several reasons why an election can be postponed, one of these is :

" A poll can be delayed by 30 days via royal decree if there is civil unrest, floods, fire or other eventualities (according to Article 78 of the 2007 Constitution's organic law on elections)

There is certainly civil unrest happening at the moment so that is ample reason to postpone.

Another reason is if all parties agree that there should be a postponement.

The only ones that do not agree are PT, they are pushing for an election regardless of how much trouble it causes nor how many die in the process.

Problem with your post is the following;

" A poll can be delayed by 30 days via royal decree if there is civil unrest, floods, fire or other eventualities (according to Article 78 of the 2007 Constitution's organic law on elections)

The Royal decree was already sworn in and says; A new election will be held on Feb. 2nd. Now this nutter is going against the King's ruling.

[kkerry]

People have been comparing Suthep to Hitler and Mussolini but the way his speech last night was reported in the other English language newspaper, telling everyone his group will not leave an inch of space in Bangkok for Thaksin supporters and anyone who disagrees should leave Bangkok for good... Pol Pot might be a better comparison if he keeps up the rhetoric.

[blabth]

It's not understandable for almost all foreigners why an election is not the solution specially when all concerned parties are confidence to succeed. With a strong opposition (red or yellow) constitutional reforms and other changes can be implemented. As much as I dislike S and the demonstrations they also a legitimate democratic process if their area in the framework of the constitution. I am sure that all present and future government ruling in Thailand will be more careful and transparent in the future ( this includes also Big T).

Now we are in the process of keep face S with his Victory Day and S with her date of election. Get over it and save Thailand from the embarrassment to become the first freely elected dictatorship in the world. Looks like the lemming suicide.

[xminator]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

There is no Shin dictatorship. There is a party where they happen to have key members that keep winning elections. Elections where everyone with voting rights can participate. Elections that even Korn admited vote buying no longer where a real issue.

PT won last time because men like Suthep pissed off huge numbers of their voting. Democrats (and Newin) probably saved PT billions of baht during the last election. And you can bet your ass the the last two months have done nothing to vote less polarized.

Half the senate is not elected. That is where any reform should start. Its not what this "The people" group want, but its what the majority of thai votes will vote for if asked.

[catmac]

Old Musso's in top form today! Stand by for the Blitzkrieg you lucky Bangkok people! He did let slip that his mob are being backed and financed by big business, not suprising in this land of unfettered monopolies and cartels all enriching themselves at the public expense.

Will be interesting to hear the squeels from the "hi-so" expats working for big International companies when their phone lines and power are turned off by the mob. They might be posted to Singapore and lose all that cheap sex that makes BKK so appealling to them!

What a crass, ignorant post or maybe your just jealous of expats who can actually find a decent job over here. Many of us have families over here and a vested interest in the country.

You seem to think it's quite funny how Suthep and his followers are tearing the capital apart.

What I find amusing is the way the Bangkok middle-classes all flocked along like lemmings behind Musso thinking he was the great hero when he obviously couldn't give a toss about their welfare. Having used them to create the impression that he had such popular support, he can now dump them to rot in the chaos that he, and he alone, is creating by his Blitz. He is probably the one who is laughing at how naive they were.

Sorry, I'm well past the age where I have to look for a job anywhere, but your lot are not the only ones who may have loved ones and comitments to this country, so stop trying to make out that you are somehow special.

[aguy30]

Democracy is a wonderful illusion in Thailand when it is the result of populist programs like the rice pledging scam paying too much, the first car rebate program and inferior tablets for children all paid for with the money of the next elected government and all of the people, including those who don't receive any of the benefits. Many/most Isaan Thais would vote for Kim Jun-un for a 500 baht "gift". The increased minimum wages have less value than before the increase. Inflation is soaring if you check what you actually pay instead of reading the government's reports. Food, petrol and electricity have all increased greatly. Many things that I regularly purchase have increased 30-50% in the last two years. The "high speed" (not bullet) train fiasco will bring huge rewards to those who are connected and place the country in a whole new super level of debt for the next 50 years. Yes democracy and mostly the result of a democratically bought election.

You are a fool if you think the Shins have any concern for the typical and poor Thai. The people are simply a steppingstone for their goals of more wealth and power. Suthep has distanced himself from the other political parties and that is good. He will go away after the Shins have been removed from power. Suthep is "over the top" at times, but the man is the only one with big enough balls to do what needs to be done to rid Thailand of the Shins and their self serving interests. If a military coup is needed to complete the task, then let it be.

Edited December 28, 2013 by aguy30

[DocN]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

Sure!

As soon as Suthep -in detail- explains, what his alternative is.

Just talking hot air and adding "we will tell you later", when uncomfortable questions get asked, is not a program- it is a hoax!

[Halion]

How does he figure he can claim sovereignty for his actions? Thailand has 70 million popln and his mobs number in the 100 000s at best. He is not in govt and has no chance to get in at the next election. Im not sure what definition of sovereignty he has in his dam_n fool head. He represents SOME people, not THE people. Mob rule by force is not democratic sovereignty but fascism. What a ridiculous situation - he is a major embarassment to Thailand. Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Nice rant but as articulate and accurate as what we have come to expect from pro government supporters and agencies whose mantra is not to let the truth get in the way of a good story. Official figures for the population are around 67 million of which there are less than 20 million legible voters in Isan and If you truly believe that Khun Suthep's mob is less than 100K you are grossly mistaken. I assume that the"THE: people you refer to are the PTP supporters who were to a significant extent both brainwashed and bought by the incumbent government and SOME people are the legions of Thai's who have simply had enough of the corruption and ineffectual governance that comes with putting clowns and idiots into power.

Have you ever stopped to think as to the percentage of Isan people who actually reside and work in Bangkok and perhaps thrown of the shroud of the Shiniwatra manipulation. The current government adopts the run and hide philosophy whilst trying to manipulate other to clean up the mess it leaves every time it opens its mouth.

I am far from being a Suthep supporter however I will give him this. He one of only a handful who has the balls to try to make a positive difference and he has been persistent in his objectives which is to get the parasitic Shiniwatra's out of Thai Politics and perhaps out of Thailand.

The country is in political turmoil and little Miss almost- a -politician is hiding up in Chang Mai amongst her brainwashed brigade inspecting roads.

It simply doers not get more banal than that.

[JAG]

Many of the TV trolls hate Suthep. If you are one of them, please feel free to offer alternative ideas on how to rid Thailand of the Shin wannabe dictatorship.

An election.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[maxman71]

Question: Has there been any changes to being able to transfer money out of Thailand ? I am referring to international wire transfers to another country in the THB 2-3 million range.

[asiamaster]

Bangkok seizure - what an achievement....NOT

I would be more impressed he would seize Chiang Mai / Chiang Rai / Udon Thai / Khon Kaen etc.

[arminbkk]

Did he not previously say he would turn himself in no matter what on 8th January?

Not exactly a man of his words.