Both as bad as each other?

[notmyself]

A very old friend of mine passed away 3 years ago. He told me long ago that the Democrat's should not be trusted and that the TRT should be. After years went by he took me to one side and said he was wrong. Don't know why he brought it up and never will but he also said that the Shin's have only dark[ness] in their hearts. A couple of years later and in the end only a few months before he died he brought it up again. To paraphrase fairly accurately... Johnno, everybody steals in Thailand but the Democrats at least leave you with enough rice for breakfast.

Edited December 28, 2013 by notmyself

[benalibina]

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......so no vote from me.

Thailand is a country which many of us love and/or hate....we all see the country through different eyes...let the thais sort it out themselves....try, how difficult it might be, to give your thai inner circle your opinions on a balanced and motivated manner...maybe they can then be the start of a change for futureborn generations.......the country has 1 benefit over many .....its soil.....hopefully 1 day they will make good use of it for the benefit of all its populace....

[notmyself]

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......

It does to many.

[benalibina]

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......

It does to many.

Not with the options we can choose from in ur poll. Anyway just my opinion. Which in the total scheme of things is totally irrelevant.

[notmyself]

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......

It does to many.

Not with the options we can choose from in ur poll. Anyway just my opinion. Which in the total scheme of things is totally irrelevant.

There was initially a third option but I deleted it upon preview. It read... Hey!, I ordered a cheeseburger.

[Dancealot]

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......

It does to many.

Not with the options we can choose from in ur poll. Anyway just my opinion. Which in the total scheme of things is totally irrelevant.

Like it doesnt really seem to matter if you vote republican or democrat in the US because you feel there is always a hidden force present pushing the buttons?

[benalibina]

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......

It does to many.

Not with the options we can choose from in ur poll. Anyway just my opinion. Which in the total scheme of things is totally irrelevant.

Like it doesnt really seem to matter if you vote republican or democrat in the US because you feel there is always a hidden force present pushing the buttons?

Ludlum comes in mind ! Haha

[Dancealot]

publican or democrat in the US because you feel there is always a hidden force present pushing the buttons?

Ludlum comes in mind ! Haha

Don't mix facts with fiction, now.

[benalibina]

publican or democrat in the US because you feel there is always a hidden force present pushing the buttons?

Ludlum comes in mind ! Haha

Don't mix facts with fiction, now.

Its all about our own perception.......what is a fact in thailand is most likely for many a fiction !

[thailandbeachisland]

It seems that the problem with demos is that they were so sure to be so powerful that they didn't care at all to do what Taksin did for the poor, so they really deserve the shxt that happens now !

[wayned]

Is the glass half full or half empty?

The village where I live, 21 rural Thai houses, was staunch Taksin supporters and voted for Yingluck, they are now firmly behind Suthep. They even organized a bus to Bangkok to join the protests. My wife wanted to go because, in her mind, it just was another party.

I asked my wife why they changed and she said that since Taksin left nobody "lends" the village money any more. When Taskin was in the village got money for a community center, exercise equipment, a basketball court and a bus stop but much of the money was also "spread" around. Since Taksin left there hasn't been anymore. I asked her who she would vote for today and she said "whoever gives me the most money, it doesn't matter, they are all the same so I will vote for the one who gives the most"! Unfortunately that is the way of Thai politics even down to the elections for "village chiefs". Of which, the last election was last month and the incumbent paid 300 baht/vote and won, his rival only came across with 200/vote, guess who won.

Edited December 28, 2013 by wayned

[benalibina]

Is the glass half full or half empty?

The village where I live, 21 rural Thai houses, was staunch Taksin supporters and voted for Yingluck, they are now firmly behind Suthep. They even organized a bus to Bangkok to join the protests. My wife wanted to go because, in her mind, it just was another party.

I asked my wife why they changed and she said that since Taksin left nobody "lends" the village money any more. When Taskin was in the village got money for a community center, exercise equipment, a basketball court and a bus stop but much of the money was also "spread" around. Since Taksin left there hasn't been anymore. I asked her who she would vote for today and she said "whoever gives me the most money, it doesn't matter, they are all the same so I will vote for the one who gives the most"! Unfortunately that is the way of Thai politics even down to the elections for "village chiefs". Of which, the last election was last month and the incumbent paid 300 baht/vote and won, his rival only came across with 200/vote, guess who won.

Surprise us, who did win ?

[Robby nz]

Look at it this way.

There have been 3 reincarnations of the TRT party and of the previous 2 a total of 220 politicians have been banned for electoral fraud (corruption).

It looks likely that 312 of the present lot will also be banned also for their role in the illegal way they went about passing bills.

That is without those who have been prosecuted and found guilty of other charges or are presently on bail awaiting charges being heard.

Now tell me.

In the long life of the Democrat party how many have been banned, charged and found guilty or are at present on bail ?

You can if you like even include Abhisit and Suthep on the BS murder charges.

Once you have compiled those numbers and compared them then you will have your answer.

[krisb]

Same tree but different lemon.

Sorry no vote from me.

[Ulysses G.]

I'm not sure who is worse, but usually figure that the ones who are democratically elected are the ones who should be in power.

[Costas2008]

notmyself, on 29 Dec 2013 - 00:37, said:

It doesnt matter who is better or worse.....it really doesnt matter......

It does to many.

Why?......Do foreigners vote in Thailand?

[simondan]

I'm not sure who is worse, but usually figure that the ones who are democratically elected are the ones who should be in power.

Hear hear. Outright vote buying is a concern though, but lets face it, it happens everywhere, its just not always as blatant as in Thailand. In Australia its called pork-barrelling. Old Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen was a master of the art. But I think even he could have learnt something from these Thais (and thats really saying something)!

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[kikoman]

Look at it this way.

There have been 3 reincarnations of the TRT party and of the previous 2 a total of 220 politicians have been banned for electoral fraud (corruption).

It looks likely that 312 of the present lot will also be banned also for their role in the illegal way they went about passing bills.

That is without those who have been prosecuted and found guilty of other charges or are presently on bail awaiting charges being heard.

Now tell me.

In the long life of the Democrat party how many have been banned, charged and found guilty or are at present on bail ?

You can if you like even include Abhisit and Suthep on the BS murder charges.

Once you have compiled those numbers and compared them then you will have your answer.

The Democrats control the wealthy and influential, that hold behind the scene power, in the courts, military, police, bureaucrats, from the rich and influential families in Bangkok..

Why do you think the military has not cracked down on the protesters after a full month of paralyzing life in Bangkok?

Suthep has strong allies within the military, as General Shinawatra stated earlier in the week, that the military top brass should use the channels to the protest leadership to defuse the present situation.

You can also see that influence within the Election Commission attempts to shoot down the election by public statements and also hinted they would resign if the government followed the royal decree and the constitution and held the election on February 2, 2014. I feel their public statements were behind the violence at the stadium.

The mood seems to be changing, as the Military commander stated that he would cast his vote on February 2, the Election committee stated the election would be held on February 2, I believe the poor showing of the protest in the provinces that only was effective in the 8 deep south provinces. The senate, blunted the EC by saying if the threatened resignations happened, they would simply appoint new EC members and finally the Military statement, that stated a coup was still an option!

Every poster has a right to his own opinion, but I live in the same province and while the farmers are mad at the Yingluck government for not paying their rice pay payments, there is more on their minds then 300 baht, the threat of the protesters of taking their right to vote away, as they are to uneducated, 300 baht may be a good price for his village but losing their say in who will control Thailand by the democratic process of free elections. Their civil rights prevail in our village!

The Democrats only attained power by appointment which was the results of a military coup and the dissolution of TRT, The Democrats are trying to gain though domestic terrorism, what they failed to do during the last 20 years at the ballot box.

Even Hitler came to power in a open election!

Cheers

[i claudius]

I also did not bother to vote ,my Thai familly are not rich ,nor poor ,some like one party some the other ,as for us here in Pattaya the baht has weakened ,so every week i get more money in my bank ,thats what interests me ,is that wrong ,yes, do i care no.

[canuckamuck]

They are both representations of a power struggle and a contempt for the law and constitution. If there were any standards in this country not a single one of them could be vetted as an acceptable candidate. But in this country the people have only a "what's in it for me today" attitude, and therefore governed by self serving fat cats that are only in it to fill their wallets and wallow in the excess.

Where there is no vision the people perish. (Proverbs)

[craigt3365]

You needed another selection. Same same.

[Ricardo]

An interesting 3rd-option might have been, a short/medium-term military government ?

I'd agree that the Dems are bad by my western-standards, especially with this latest refusal-to-participate in an election, and view PTP/Thaksin as a wannabee-dictatorship a' la Cambodia/Marcos/Suharto, which should absolutely be avoided if at all possible.

So a year or two of less-criminal less-corrupt military-rule, with an eventual return (after yet more constitutional-reform validated by a national-referendum ?) to elections as-in 2006/7 might be the least-bad of three distasteful alternatives ?

[willyumiii]

It really does not matter to me.

I can not vote for Republicans or Democrats in Thailand.

No vote, no opinion.

There is only one issue an expat can vote on in Thailand.

Stay or Leave.

Your choice!

[Issangeorge]

Kikoman, I cannot see how you or anyone else can call what's happening in Bangkok terrorism. No ones been threatened, the protesters are not threatening to burn Bangkok as the Red Shirts did in 2010. Sure Suthep is threatening to close Bangkok down, but that is a far cry from burning Bangkok. How anybody can with a straight face call Suthep a terrorist, when Nattawut, who urged the Red Shirts to burn Bangkok, is not only out on bail, but s minister in the government, I'd beyond me.

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[Issangeorge]

I'm not sure who is worse, but usually figure that the ones who are democratically elected are the ones who should be in power.

They are both representations of a power struggle and a contempt for the law and constitution. If there were any standards in this country not a single one of them could be vetted as an acceptable candidate. But in this country the people have only a "what's in it for me today" attitude, and therefore governed by self serving fat cats that are only in it to fill their wallets and wallow in the excess.

Where there is no vision the people perish. (Proverbs)

Kikoman, I cannot see how you or anyone else can call what's happening in Bangkok terrorism. No ones been threatened, the protesters are not threatening to burn Bangkok as the Red Shirts did in 2010. Sure Suthep is threatening to close Bangkok down, but that is a far cry from burning Bangkok. How anybody can with a straight face call Suthep a terrorist, when Nattawut, who urged the Red Shirts to burn Bangkok, is not only out on bail, but a minister in the government, is beyond me.

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[ABCer]

Kikoman said

...Even Hitler came to power in a open election!

Cheers

Sorry for a partial quote, Kikoman.

You are absolutely right.

That much for Democracy!

[GuestHouse]

Even Hitler came to power in a open election!

Indeed he did.

On the back of nationalist and populist policies.

Your endorsement of the democratic process is dually noted.

[Theoutsider]

watch out for who you vote for because you could get kicked of site.

there a few posters looking for a fight on the news fourm.

can you measure shit

[kikoman]

Kikoman, I cannot see how you or anyone else can call what's happening in Bangkok terrorism. No ones been threatened, the protesters are not threatening to burn Bangkok as the Red Shirts did in 2010. Sure Suthep is threatening to close Bangkok down, but that is a far cry from burning Bangkok. How anybody can with a straight face call Suthep a terrorist, when Nattawut, who urged the Red Shirts to burn Bangkok, is not only out on bail, but s minister in the government, I'd beyond me.

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How can you see if you never open your eyes?

What do you call holding the city of Bangkok hostage for the past month?

As the protester's long lost their right to be considered a peaceful revolution, by responding to police tear gas and rubber bullets with gunfire after a month of the police and the military (soft glove reaction) allowing them to do whatever they pleased in the city.

The protesters have publicly stated they intend to force their refusal of having an open election on Thailand which should determine who will control the country, hopefully as an end to the present crisis, As stated that on election day.when they threaten to stop other Thai's from their civil right to cast their vote, These people will not allow them to do that, they will force the greatest violence response, that would tear Thailand.apart and could spark a civil war.

The violence which happened in 2010 because the same Suthep you idolize authorized the military to crack down on the protesters when he wore the hat of crushing public demonstrations, now 3 1/2 years later he is leading one.

You clearly express a minority view" of the Thai's that are the only eligible voters in the Issan, as no province in the Issan favored the protester's rejection of holding an open election on February 2, 2014. Only (8) provinces in the deep south backed the Bangkok protester's demands, Suthep is nothing more than a wannabe dictator, in his naked grasp for political power!

Cheers

[notmyself]

Love this stuff about democratically elected government. Is the choice of individual voters logged by any chance?