Deported Thai Girl and Mother now back in Denmark

[F4UCorsair]

refugees cost 200,000 each? do they feed them only caviar?

Sadly that is only the downpayment.

Regrettably harry, it is only a down payment.

A couple of years ago a guy was convicted on terrorism charges. I can't say where he was from for fear of alienating the moderators, but he'd been in Australia 17 years, and NEVER worked. He had 10 kids, was ordered to leave Australia several times, but each time the do gooders, bleeding hearts (Greens) left wing w***ers (Greens) and chardonnay socialists (Greens) lobbied, and somehow he slipped through the net. Can you imagine the social security cost of that freeloader, we're still keeping him in prison, and his family is still here sucking the guts out of the social security system!! They're coming by the boatload.

Edited January 7, 2014 by F4UCorsair

[harrry]

refugees cost 200,000 each? do they feed them only caviar?

Sadly that is only the downpayment.

Regrettably harry, it is only a down payment.

A couple of years ago a guy was convicted on terrorism charges. I can't say where he was from for fear of alienating the moderators, but he'd been in Australia 17 years, and NEVER worked. He had 10 kids, was ordered to leave Australia several times, but each time the do gooders, bleeding hearts (Greens) left wing w***ers (Greens) and chardonnay socialists (Greens) lobbied, and somehow he slipped through the net. Can you imagine the social security cost of that freeloader, we're still keeping him in prison, and his family is still here sucking the guts out of the social security system!! They're coming by the boatload.

This however has nothing to do with the wife of a citizen of a country who came to the country to start a new life with that person completely legally and then had the double loss of her husband and her right to stay,

[F4UCorsair]

refugees cost 200,000 each? do they feed them only caviar?

Sadly that is only the downpayment.

Regrettably harry, it is only a down payment.

A couple of years ago a guy was convicted on terrorism charges. I can't say where he was from for fear of alienating the moderators, but he'd been in Australia 17 years, and NEVER worked. He had 10 kids, was ordered to leave Australia several times, but each time the do gooders, bleeding hearts (Greens) left wing w***ers (Greens) and chardonnay socialists (Greens) lobbied, and somehow he slipped through the net. Can you imagine the social security cost of that freeloader, we're still keeping him in prison, and his family is still here sucking the guts out of the social security system!! They're coming by the boatload.

This however has nothing to do with the wife of a citizen of a country who came to the country to start a new life with that person completely legally and then had the double loss of her husband and her right to stay,

You're exactly right about the second para harry, but the first para, in response to you, is relevant, because history shows that in this country there are a disproportionate number of 'refugees/migrants' who are recipients of the welfare system largesse, and who continue to be so.

Edited January 7, 2014 by F4UCorsair

[khunPer]

No the law has not been changed yet. It will be sometime during spring they say. Lets see.

No matter what people think about me and I having small Heart. Law is still a law and now the daughter is going to school and the mother probally getting social sercurity on a Tourist visa. Thats not legal. Meaning everybody that arrives in Denmark on a tourist vise should be able to go to nearste Doll office a collect. Welcome to Denmark. This woman and her daughter have been subject to applicable law, the mother has said that she wanted to stay in Thailand with the family, but that there was a better economy to be in Denmark . This was printed in Danish media.

Jes, if you have read the Danish media – you seems to be Dane and reading the news articles – then you will also know from the media, that the family is self supported; that mom got at so-called Sosu-education (Social worker) and work – the family has never received social welfare – which was among the reasons for both the public and political back-up. One of the main arguments in the debate were, that this family contributes to Denmark and were expelled, whilst others like criminals and social welfare receiving families could stay; some of the examples mentioned were a Somali rapist of minor girls and deeply criminal Roma families supported by millions of kroner each year (1 million dkk equals aprox 175,000 US$).

It is correct that Denmark and a number of other European countries has an attractive economy – for some especially the possibility of using social welfare as a cash cow – but most Thais, and other South East Asians, comes and work, including learning the language, pay their taxes and it that way contribute to the welfare system. As long as the account is positive, it’s not that important if they send some money from their hard earned wage back to family in their birth country. You should know, that when coming on a Tourist Visa or a permission to stay, without being granted permanent residency, you couldn’t tap the welfare system – only if you have status of Asylum from a war zone or is a political refuge or come from another European Union country; some of those people are the huge problem in Denmark. Not long ago the Law stated, and that was the time when Im and her mom came to Denmark four years ago, that the husband should deposit a cash amount in cover of any kind of welfare his wife and family received, including public health care.

I understand your limitations for foreigners jumping into the country, more as economical refuges than political war zone victims, and using the good welfare system, earned up by hard working Danes through generations – believe we are many in that group, including me – but I think you here picks the wrong kind of people.

[simple1]

refugees cost 200,000 each? do they feed them only caviar?

Sadly that is only the downpayment.

Regrettably harry, it is only a down payment.

A couple of years ago a guy was convicted on terrorism charges. I can't say where he was from for fear of alienating the moderators, but he'd been in Australia 17 years, and NEVER worked. He had 10 kids, was ordered to leave Australia several times, but each time the do gooders, bleeding hearts (Greens) left wing w***ers (Greens) and chardonnay socialists (Greens) lobbied, and somehow he slipped through the net. Can you imagine the social security cost of that freeloader, we're still keeping him in prison, and his family is still here sucking the guts out of the social security system!! They're coming by the boatload.

Off topic, but what is his name?

Your comment 'they're coming by the boatload' is history with the PNG Solution and under current policy permanently banned from entering Ausralia, even if positively assessed. We don't have the details as to the effectiveness or otherwise as Govt are refusing to comment on 'operational detail'

[Lakegeneve]

Regrettably harry, it is only a down payment.

A couple of years ago a guy was convicted on terrorism charges. I can't say where he was from for fear of alienating the moderators, but he'd been in Australia 17 years, and NEVER worked. He had 10 kids, was ordered to leave Australia several times, but each time the do gooders, bleeding hearts (Greens) left wing w***ers (Greens) and chardonnay socialists (Greens) lobbied, and somehow he slipped through the net. Can you imagine the social security cost of that freeloader, we're still keeping him in prison, and his family is still here sucking the guts out of the social security system!! They're coming by the boatload.

This however has nothing to do with the wife of a citizen of a country who came to the country to start a new life with that person completely legally and then had the double loss of her husband and her right to stay,

You're exactly right about the second para harry, but the first para, in response to you, is relevant, because history shows that in this country there are a disproportionate number of 'refugees/migrants' who are recipients of the welfare system largesse, and who continue to be so.

Yes, yellow peril..... run, quick!!!

Lol your biased little ignorant rant might actually have some meaning if you could actually use some facts.

Every major objective govt & academic study highlights that immigrants make an overall net positive economic contribution to Australian society way beyond whatever settling in costs are initially incurred. You might wish to avail yourself to the opportunity of using google and doing some research. Even the political conservatives acknowledge that and most of them actually support increased immigration rates.

Are there some freeloaders, of course. Not that there are any free loading non immigrant Australian families, right? Plenty of freeloaders in the middle class welfare world....... Are there the few who commit crimes, yes. However, non immigrant Australians never commit crimes do they? I seriously doubt that you have any statistical economic or objective data basis demographic idea about anything that you spout on this issue.

The last PM and the current PM were both born in the UK. The current Treasurers is of Palestinian heritage. The current Finance Minister is a recent immigration from Belgian. A few current PMs come from families who immigrated to Australia as refugees. The thing that makes Australia great - similar to sentiments in the US and Canada - is that everyone has the opportunity to make a good life once the reside there.

Australia has a nice racist heritage. Most people don't know that South African Apartheid laws were based on 1930s laws which existed in Queensland. Italians and Greek immigrants dealt with racism after WWII. The Indo Chinese in the 70s. Africans and Afghans more recently. People were also then blaming immigrants for making problems and 'living off welfare: There are always small minded people who want to blame others, and each decade brings a different other.

The fact is that waves of migration have made a positive benefit to Australian society. Most likely you would have been complaining about the post war migrants from Italy and Greece, then the Indo Chinese migrants in a messy war that Australia participated in. The overwhelming majority of which are now doing very well and making very positive contributions to the Australian economy and society. Most, probably pay much more taxes than you do.

I would hope that you might do a little research. Then you could actually, possibly write something informative and have a genuine, informed discussion about something like an obvious issue of overall sustainable population in the context of the fragile Australian environment.

But go on, keep jumping on any thread you can no matter how tenuous the connection in order to push your ignorant & nonfactual little rants. And the problem for others is, no matter what people tell you, no matter what the facts and stats are, you'll probably keep clinging to your views as they are easier than engaging in complex issues with an open mind and educating yourself.

Have a nice day.

[Waterloo]

Maybe. But a law is a law. Without Laws, then it´s the Wild West. Yes, Denmark has strict requirements concerning foreigners. This Is necessary. because too much junk comes into Denmark and the first thing they turn to, is the cash register where money is paid. Denmark has been too nice in the past. 10 years ago the strict Laws was made. I was to easy in the past. This strict Laws doesn´t make Denmark bad. Try to look at many other countries and see.

The problem action like this creates is that it opens the floodgates, and whilst this woman may make a fine citizen of Denmark, most won't. Soft c**k politicians in Denmark have caved in to minority groups, just as Australian politicians have, and we've imported trash for the past 20 years. We've made a rod for our own backs, and the future here is not going to be as peaceful as it has been in the past.

She may be making another Dane happy within a short time, and therefore not a drain on the social security system, but not many do, and most don't. Australia is supporting way too many freeloaders. Under the last year of the labor government, almost 30,000 'refugees' arrived by boat, illegally, at an estimated cost of $200,000 pa to keep. That's $6 BILLION that could have been used for other government expenditure.

What ANY country doesn't need is more unskilled migrants, and since I don't read that she's a brain surgeon, she would have to fall into that category.

Judging by your comments can I assume you are of pure aboriginal descent

[Thongkorn]

They was not entitled to stay in Denmark after his death . Therefore, they were sent home to Thailand. They do not meet the requirements of the legislation said. Not the wife and the daughter's fault that he died . A shame for them that they did not get to meet the requirements when the man died. Because they have lived here for a few years, doesn´t make them Danes. Can´t see what connection they have to Denmark. The dead man not even adopted the little girl. Again , there is legislation . Fair or not is debatable. Legislation must surely be followed. But we have a spineless government that due to pressure from a support group, as well as the press, the resilience and choose to make a special law. Home is being said / written. Where is home? What citizenship do they have? Tourist visas they come to Denmark on. If it is as it says, that it is a tourist visa, then something illegal is going on. Can´t own / rent an apartment, a daughter go to school, get social security, free medical and hospital , later perhaps work etc. on a tourist visa . Well , these two do it. Now everybody that comes to Denmark on a tourist visa will be thinking, hat all who come to Denmark on a tourist visa believe that they can do this too. Well the same for everyone. Welcome to Denmark.

Your a bundle of joy arent you.

Do you have British relatives

[roamer]

Jes would you kindly do the world a small favor and go rot in hell. Please? I'd greatly appreciate it.

Got to love the loony left as predictable as ever.

Because someone disagrees with a Thai female moving to his country after protestors managed to get the rules changed they become venomous and show their true colours.

MOST the Thai women I meet in England (through my alleged non hooker ex) are ex prostitutes and within a couple of years of gaining citizenship have left the partner they came here for and live off the state even if it is to prop up wages for their low paying job with Housing Benefit, Tax Credits etc..

Once separated they should be sent packing to Thailand, let Thailand look after its own, they after all do claim to be some sort of Master race.

So another one who has laid down with dogs, caught fleas, and seeks to spread his bitterness to others. Idiotic post, you don't have to be Thai or an ex-hooker to have to prop up your low wages with tax credits etc.

If you didn't have a system that allows companies like Tesco to earn billions in profits to pay to shareholders whilst paying pitifully low wages to employees you wouldn't need tax credits.

The name calling continues, try and be less predictable.

Its immigration of low/unskilled migrants that is suppressing wages ... but I wouldn't expect anyone from the left to be able to figure this one out.

So why did the Tories vote against the minimum wage when they were in opposition ? About time you worked out that the only parties on the right, anywhere in Europe, capable of being elected, are funded by big business that is adamantly opposed to any restrictions on immigration.

[samran]

Maybe. But a law is a law. Without Laws, then it´s the Wild West. Yes, Denmark has strict requirements concerning foreigners. This Is necessary. because too much junk comes into Denmark and the first thing they turn to, is the cash register where money is paid. Denmark has been too nice in the past. 10 years ago the strict Laws was made. I was to easy in the past. This strict Laws doesn´t make Denmark bad. Try to look at many other countries and see.

The problem action like this creates is that it opens the floodgates, and whilst this woman may make a fine citizen of Denmark, most won't. Soft c**k politicians in Denmark have caved in to minority groups, just as Australian politicians have, and we've imported trash for the past 20 years. We've made a rod for our own backs, and the future here is not going to be as peaceful as it has been in the past.

She may be making another Dane happy within a short time, and therefore not a drain on the social security system, but not many do, and most don't. Australia is supporting way too many freeloaders. Under the last year of the labor government, almost 30,000 'refugees' arrived by boat, illegally, at an estimated cost of $200,000 pa to keep. That's $6 BILLION that could have been used for other government expenditure.

What ANY country doesn't need is more unskilled migrants, and since I don't read that she's a brain surgeon, she would have to fall into that category.

Judging by your comments can I assume you are of pure aboriginal descent

Don't be silly. White migrants didn't take anything, they only contributed! Disease, feral animals, imcompatable farming practices, alcohol, bad diet, institutional racism to the original inhabitants and ripping away resources and land that used to belong to someone else!

[BanTamo]

So the crazy farang thinks only a "loony liberal" would take umbrage at the blatant racist idiocy of people like Jes?

[F4UCorsair]

Regrettably harry, it is only a down payment.

A couple of years ago a guy was convicted on terrorism charges. I can't say where he was from for fear of alienating the moderators, but he'd been in Australia 17 years, and NEVER worked. He had 10 kids, was ordered to leave Australia several times, but each time the do gooders, bleeding hearts (Greens) left wing w***ers (Greens) and chardonnay socialists (Greens) lobbied, and somehow he slipped through the net. Can you imagine the social security cost of that freeloader, we're still keeping him in prison, and his family is still here sucking the guts out of the social security system!! They're coming by the boatload.

This however has nothing to do with the wife of a citizen of a country who came to the country to start a new life with that person completely legally and then had the double loss of her husband and her right to stay,

You're exactly right about the second para harry, but the first para, in response to you, is relevant, because history shows that in this country there are a disproportionate number of 'refugees/migrants' who are recipients of the welfare system largesse, and who continue to be so.

Yes, yellow peril..... run, quick!!!

Lol your biased little ignorant rant might actually have some meaning if you could actually use some facts.

Every major objective govt & academic study highlights that immigrants make an overall net positive economic contribution to Australian society way beyond whatever settling in costs are initially incurred. You might wish to avail yourself to the opportunity of using google and doing some research. Even the political conservatives acknowledge that and most of them actually support increased immigration rates.

Are there some freeloaders, of course. Not that there are any free loading non immigrant Australian families, right? Plenty of freeloaders in the middle class welfare world....... Are there the few who commit crimes, yes. However, non immigrant Australians never commit crimes do they? I seriously doubt that you have any statistical economic or objective data basis demographic idea about anything that you spout on this issue.

The last PM and the current PM were both born in the UK. The current Treasurers is of Palestinian heritage. The current Finance Minister is a recent immigration from Belgian. A few current PMs come from families who immigrated to Australia as refugees. The thing that makes Australia great - similar to sentiments in the US and Canada - is that everyone has the opportunity to make a good life once the reside there.

Australia has a nice racist heritage. Most people don't know that South African Apartheid laws were based on 1930s laws which existed in Queensland. Italians and Greek immigrants dealt with racism after WWII. The Indo Chinese in the 70s. Africans and Afghans more recently. People were also then blaming immigrants for making problems and 'living off welfare: There are always small minded people who want to blame others, and each decade brings a different other.

The fact is that waves of migration have made a positive benefit to Australian society. Most likely you would have been complaining about the post war migrants from Italy and Greece, then the Indo Chinese migrants in a messy war that Australia participated in. The overwhelming majority of which are now doing very well and making very positive contributions to the Australian economy and society. Most, probably pay much more taxes than you do.

I would hope that you might do a little research. Then you could actually, possibly write something informative and have a genuine, informed discussion about something like an obvious issue of overall sustainable population in the context of the fragile Australian environment.

But go on, keep jumping on any thread you can no matter how tenuous the connection in order to push your ignorant & nonfactual little rants. And the problem for others is, no matter what people tell you, no matter what the facts and stats are, you'll probably keep clinging to your views as they are easier than engaging in complex issues with an open mind and educating yourself.

Have a nice day.

Discount anything any politician says. They claim that every 'migrant' creates four jobs, but we still have 5%+ unemployment, and rising. If we have a million people not fully employed (I know 5% doesn't equal a million in a nation of 22 million, but the definition of 'fully employed' doesn't mean 40 hours a week!!)

If we imported a quarter million people, then a million people will suddenly be employed? That's the unemployment problem fixed. Next please.

As I suggested, discount ANYTHING that ANY politician says, because it is said out of politician expediency, not any connection to fact.

Home grown social security fraud we're stuck with, but we don't need to import the problem, and history shows that the imports are better at it than the local product. My ex worked for the predecessor of Centrelink at a fairly high level.

We do have a proud history of immigration, but that was controlled. What we don't need is boatloads of unskilled people arriving uncontrolled, AND the wrong type of migrants.

I remind you that the former Victorian police commissioner was fired because of his involvement in covering up crime statistics by ethnic group, something the government didn't want the public to be aware of because there would be outrage. of course Australian born people commit crime, but at nothing like the rate, or seriousness, of the type of people were now seeing 'gracing' our shores.

Edited January 10, 2014 by F4UCorsair

[Lakegeneve]

^^^^A few things. I didn't reference anything that relies on what politicans said. Not sure what your garble on that front has to do with anything aside from highlighting that you don't use facts or substantive info to respond to queries raised about your nonsensical statements.

Australia has had 30 years of growth, no recession in that time. It was the only OECD country that didn't experience a recession during the GFC. Most western countries would kill to have 5% unemployment, Again, your biased and fear driven rhetoric doesn't match economic, statistical reality.

All social security fraud has proportionately decreased in the last 10 years and essentially remained steady constituting .04% of Centrelink recipients at 3000 cases a year according to 2011 Aust Inst of Criminology report. Your fears are disproportionate to reality but that is not unusual when it is out of ignorance. Statistically, that is probably at the lower end of the scale in comparison to other western welfare states as in the UK where it is over 1.1%. You are seriously irrational if you think that .04% is a problem. Where is your evidence that migrants commit fraud, "better at it than the local product." ???

Not all "boatloads" of asylum seekers are unskilled. Some are doctors, engineers and professionals. And again, you don't understand the difference between asylum seeker, refugee and migrant. You just mix and match terms with have distinct meanings.

Please do read some criminology reports reports and reference the supporting statistics that objectively back up your statement; "...commit crime, but at nothing like the rate, or seriousness, of the type of people were now seeing 'gracing' our shores." I'll even provide you with the website to make it easier, http://www.aic.gov.au/. The NSW institute is also excellent - try this amazing search engine called google.....

"My ex worked for the predecessor of Centrelink at a fairly high level." Good for him or her. I note that DSS changed to Centrelink some 20 years ago which suggests that whatever views that you developed from your ex, they are very much out of date with what todays statistics and situation would be.

Whatever you are attempting to imply with this statement would appear to be of no relevance and certainly doesn't provide any facts. Does my mum working as a nurse 30 years ago make me an informed person on the provision of medical care now? I think not!

I suggested that you may wish to do some research on the issue in an attempt to find statistics and facts to educate yourself. Then if you find something credible to support your views you could ref that and start an intelligent discussion. You clearly have not even bothered to try (as I predicted) and have failed abysmally to support anything that you assert.

[wym]

Took 16 days to compose that retort?

[Lakegeneve]

Took 16 days to compose that retort?

I had to look up a few big words.......

The retort was my previous post.

[F4UCorsair]

Let's see lakegeneve. Give this country another ten to fifteen years and just see how it's traveling compared with now.

I'll be out, living the life of Riley on my self funded pension, tax free pension I might add, courtesy of legislation during the Howard government era.

This country is heading down a path to destruction because of its political correctness and populist c***sucking politicians, although Abbott is showing some guts.

[Lakegeneve]

Let's see lakegeneve. Give this country another ten to fifteen years and just see how it's traveling compared with now.

I'll be out, living the life of Riley on my self funded pension, tax free pension I might add, courtesy of legislation during the Howard government era.

This country is heading down a path to destruction because of its political correctness and populist c***sucking politicians, although Abbott is showing some guts.

Again no facts or stats to provide any credible to any or your statements. Now your fall back to the perennial last gasp argument of the ignorant by stating... 'Give this country another ten to fifteen years and just see how it's traveling compared with now.'

That has been used for decades too. In the post war period when the Italians and Greeks migrated. In the late 70s and 80s when the Indo Chinese migrated. In the 90s with the africans. Every time, some people expressed doom and gloom, 'oh the country will go to ruin, in another 10 or 15 or 20 yrs it will all be stuffed'. Yet the opposite occurred in Australia. Australian modernised while becoming the worlds 12th largest economy and has not suffered a recession for nearly 30 years!

Meanwhile, aside from Scandinavian countries rich people from around the world are clamoring to migrate to a country they consider to one of the worlds best places to live.

Your admiration for the PM, Abbott, seems to contrary to your unfounded concerns when the Liberal party has a a long stated dream of a big Australia! As I stated before, the Libs would like a pop of 50-60m and most of that would be achieved due to mass migration at levels much greater than has previously occurred! I'm not really sure how your general anti-immigration stance harmonises with an expression of admiration?

Blaming everything that you think is wrong in your country on migrants - especially without any actual facts or stats - is a silly as the Thais that blame many of their countries problems on the farang and other foreigners. It is an easy, ignorant smokescreen to avoid having to confront our own issues. Such an entrenched view disregards the fact that outsiders who migrant to a country usually contribute much to the wealth of that country as many foreigners have done in Thailand. Not all of course, but the majority.

If you want to be judged by all Thais as an Australian by the actions of the elderly man from Queensland currently detained in Chiang Mai as he is facing multiple charges of committing numerous acts of sex many young children, then keep posting your ignorant rants (perhaps, with some facts & stats if you can find them).

If you don't want to be assumed to be a pedophile just because you come from Australia, then you may want to consider some appreciation of the reality that we ultimately can't judge people just because they are from another country. Neither can we blame all of our perceived problems on them, though it is of course much easier to do so.