Medical workers told to avoid insulting words on stage

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Medical workers told to avoid insulting words on stage
Pongphon Sarnsamak
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- MEDICAL workers who have joined the anti-government protest are being warned not to use rude words to insult their rivals as it can be construed as a violation of human rights, the National Human Right Commission (NHRC) said yesterday.

NHRC member Dr Niran Pitakwatchara said medical personnel appearing on stage should use polite or neutral words to express their political opinions and provide factual information about the government policies.

"No matter if it is a man or a woman, nobody should be insulted by bad words or rudeness as it is an abuse of human rights," he said.

The statement came after Asst Prof Dr Prasert Wasinanukorn of Prince of Songkla University's Faculty of Medicine used impolite words when referring to caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Monday. Prasert, who won the Anusorn Songklanagrind Award as outstanding lecturer in 2012, was speaking at a People's Democratic Reform Committee rally stage.

Medical Council of Thailand president Dr Somsak Lohlekha also said that though Prasert's speech was not related to the medical service, he should not be using abusive language against other people as it damages the image of other physicians.

"Of course, doctors have the right to express their political stance like other people, but it is not appropriate for them to use bad language to insult others," he said.

Dr Sutham Pinchareon, a Faculty of Medicine dean at the Prince of Songkla University, meanwhile, said he did not wish to make a comment on Dr Prasert's behaviour.

However, Sunee Chaiyarot, a member of Law Reform Commission of Thailand, posted a message on Facebook decrying Dr Prasert's comments, saying it was verbal violence against women.

"This is a violent insult against women. The protesters must caution each other to not use verbal violence," she said.

Sakee Pitakkhumphol from |the Prince of Songkla University's Peace Studies, also said on Face-book that Prasert's speeches on the PDRC stage had demonised Yingluck. "I am not protecting her, but I cannot accept this behaviour as it violates the dignity of women," he said.

Caretaker Public Health Minister Pradith Sinthawanarong also said on Facebook that he was very sad to hear that some medical workers had used insults against the premier.

-- The Nation 2014-01-16

[EricBerg]

And now all together... three... two... one... We don't like your political leadershippppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!! Caretaker PM please go homeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thai at Heart]

And please wash your hands before eating, brush your teeth before bed and don't tease your brothers.

Dek uuuuuuay dek dee, ja mee .....

This is like listening to the head master lecturing his a students.

Maybe the bloody doctors really should stay out of politics and go back to work.

Edited January 16, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[moonao]

I wonder if these medical workers have enough self awareness to realise their ugly retoric thats getting crazier by the day, is symtomatic of what the doctors refer to as Antisocial Personality Disorder. Probably not.

Edited January 16, 2014 by moonao

[NongKhaiKid]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

[Tatsujin]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

Yes. And a big grinning smile also stops it from being insulting or abusive or racial or whatever.

[Rich teacher]

"From one, a speaker, a university professor, called for the sexual assault of Ms Yingluck." The Economist

[Somtamnication]

Yes, please do not use insulting words like "one man one vote", "democratically elected government", "fair election" and "ok, we vote in February 2nd., too".

[Prbkk]

"From one, a speaker, a university professor, called for the sexual assault of Ms Yingluck." The Economist

Yes, but when Mr Abhisit used vile , sexist language to describe Yingluck ( the subject of a thread on TV last year) it is not surprising that others will mimic. One expects better from a university professor.

[Nowhereman60]

How about the little silly on stage with the western reporter.

[h90]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

yes right!!!!! These bad professors using bad words only because people don't get proper medical care because all the money is used by government corruption.....They are sooooo evil.

Killing 3000 people (half didn't had any connections to narcotics)...never mind, everyone can make small mistakes like that.....

[Prbkk]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

yes right!!!!! These bad professors using bad words only because people don't get proper medical care because all the money is used by government corruption.....They are sooooo evil.

Killing 3000 people (half didn't had any connections to narcotics)...never mind, everyone can make small mistakes like that.....

No, but some of them come from the same culture of arrogance and privilege as Mr Abhisit. They need to learn to be less patronizing to those whose labour pays their wages

[bkkfaranguy]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

yes right!!!!! These bad professors using bad words only because people don't get proper medical care because all the money is used by government corruption.....They are sooooo evil.

Killing 3000 people (half didn't had any connections to narcotics)...never mind, everyone can make small mistakes like that.....

No, but some of them come from the same culture of arrogance and privilege as Mr Abhisit. They need to learn to be less patronizing to those whose labour pays their wages

Also not sure why H90 keeps trying to bring up the death penelty law many Asian countries have the same policy, if you get caught trafficing hard core drugs its the death penelty. I remember when Abhisit was in charge he was asked if he would continue with the policy and his reply was, while there has been a very small percentage of calateral damage (questioanable whether they where guilty or not) he thought it was a good policy.

While I do think the policy is quite harsh, it is what it is and many countries have the same policy and much lower drug related crime!

[northernjohn]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

yes right!!!!! These bad professors using bad words only because people don't get proper medical care because all the money is used by government corruption.....They are sooooo evil.

Killing 3000 people (half didn't had any connections to narcotics)...never mind, everyone can make small mistakes like that.....

The name Shinawatra gives you special privileges not available to other Thai citizens.

[ikke]

And now all together... three... two... one... We don't like your political leadershippppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!! Caretaker PM please go homeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know you support violence and you like Suthep's leadership, you don't have to express yourself like this.....

Now, stop drinking and smoking, switch of your computer and have a nice sleep.

[northernjohn]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

yes right!!!!! These bad professors using bad words only because people don't get proper medical care because all the money is used by government corruption.....They are sooooo evil.

Killing 3000 people (half didn't had any connections to narcotics)...never mind, everyone can make small mistakes like that.....

No, but some of them come from the same culture of arrogance and privilege as Mr Abhisit. They need to learn to be less patronizing to those whose labour pays their wages

Also not sure why H90 keeps trying to bring up the death penelty law many Asian countries have the same policy, if you get caught trafficing hard core drugs its the death penelty. I remember when Abhisit was in charge he was asked if he would continue with the policy and his reply was, while there has been a very small percentage of calateral damage (questioanable whether they where guilty or not) he thought it was a good policy.

While I do think the policy is quite harsh, it is what it is and many countries have the same policy and much lower drug related crime!

In other countries it is a death penalty after a trial where you are found guilty. Not in a police station where the cop doesn't like you. That was the Thaksin policy. Abhist was referring to the legal process. Please try to understand what you are talking about.

[DocN]

Thais really do live in a galaxy far, far away. In a country where real human rights abuses are all too common, I will throw in Tak Bai and Mr. T's war on drugs as examples, yet the NHRC has to tell protesters not to insult those they oppose. Words fail,

If I insult someone but end the insult with Krap will that make it acceptable ?

yes right!!!!! These bad professors using bad words only because people don't get proper medical care because all the money is used by government corruption.....They are sooooo evil.

Killing 3000 people (half didn't had any connections to narcotics)...never mind, everyone can make small mistakes like that.....

No, but some of them come from the same culture of arrogance and privilege as Mr Abhisit. They need to learn to be less patronizing to those whose labour pays their wages

Also not sure why H90 keeps trying to bring up the death penelty law many Asian countries have the same policy, if you get caught trafficing hard core drugs its the death penelty. I remember when Abhisit was in charge he was asked if he would continue with the policy and his reply was, while there has been a very small percentage of calateral damage (questioanable whether they where guilty or not) he thought it was a good policy.

While I do think the policy is quite harsh, it is what it is and many countries have the same policy and much lower drug related crime!

Well...I am sure not known to be a friend of h90 and his views...but maybe...just maybe...because these were "death penalties" that were executed mostly without a trial?!

You know "trials" don't you?

That stuff where a lawyer is representing the accused...sometimes even proving the accusations to be "false" or "falsified'...like in...let's say ...civilized countries....

[geriatrickid]

The behaviour of some in the medical services community is not a surprise. During the negotiations on the salary/fee increases, the discussions in some regions were heated and at times rather unpleasant.

Yes, many physicians don't like the 30 baht scheme because it impacted their incomes and now they are hitting back at the political party that hit them in their pocketbook..

In all of the discussions on TVF about the impact of the plan, the emphasis is on the 30 baht aspect of the plan. What is missed is that the plan was accompanied by a capitation of costs in the public system. The private health care system was free to operate as it had done before, but the most important and biggest documented change associated with the 30 baht plan was that it stopped the yearly increases in the MWS payments and allowed more people to access health care who had previously unable to afford it. Associated with this was a change from the private hospitals to the public hospitals where the 30 baht plan operated. In plain language, a form of consumer rights, and equal access was established that put a dent in the business at the private hospitals which can pay physicians a bonus/commission on the types of procedures performed and the volume of business generated. In plain language profiteering took a hit. Poor people had an option.

The most vocal of health care workers isn't talking about actual health care policy. No one has protested over vaccination programs, or preventative care, or ,R&D. It's all about the success the 30 baht plan. Lost in the argument is that delivered on two key goals: To control spiraling health care costs by way of cost capitation and to enable greater access to medical care for all Thais. Wealthy people were not impacted because they could still pick a private hospital and the same approach to fees was used as applied prior to the 30 baht plan. However, the government stopped paying the large fees to the private hospitals that it previously had paid under the old program. The government had no choice as health care costs were increasing at a high rate.

Sound familiar? It should be, because there s similar anger whenever Australia or Canada or other countries where there is a state medical system set their fees for procedures. . Europeans most likely do not understand this aspect as they have benefited from a public healthcare system for generations. It's all about money and in countries that are recently new to "medicare" such as Canada and the USA, the doctors have the same complaints. The Thai doctors are upset because they can't operate their businesses as they used to. And yes, prior to the 30 baht plan, they were business people selling a service. They can still operate as a business at the private hospitals, but now the government isn't cutting big cheques for poor people like it used to.

Edited January 16, 2014 by geriatrickid

[ginjag]

The behaviour of some in the medical services community is not a surprise. During the negotiations on the salary/fee increases, the discussions in some regions were heated and at times rather unpleasant.

Yes, many physicians don't like the 30 baht scheme because it impacted their incomes.

In all of the discussions about the impact on TVF, the emphasis is on the 30 baht plan. What is missed is that the plan was accompanied by a capitation of costs in the public system. The private health care system was free to operate as it had done before The biggest documented change associated with the 30 baht plan is that is stopped the yearly increases in the MWS payments and allowed more people to access health care who had previously unable to afford it. however, associated with this was a change from the private hospitals to the public hospitals where the 30 baht plan operated. In plain language, a form of consumer rights, and equal access was established that put a dent in the business at the private hospitals which paid physicians a bonus/commission on the types of procedures performed and the volume of business generated. In plain language profiteering took a hit.

The most vocal of health care workers isn't talking about actual health care policy. No one has protested over vaccination programs, or preventative care, or ,R&D. It's all about the success the 30 baht plan actually achieved much of what is set out to do: To control spiraling health care costs by way of cost capitation and to enable greater access to medical care for all Thais. Wealthy people were not impacted because they could still pick a private hospital and the same approach to fees was used as applied prior to the 30 baht plan. However, the government stopped paying the large fees to the private hospitals that it previously had paid the old program.

Sound familiar? It should be, because there was similar anger when Canada introduced its medicare program, and it is seen now in the USA as they argue over Obamacare. Europeans most likely do not understand this aspect as they have benefited from a public healthcare system for generations. It's all about money and the doctors are upset because they can't operate their businesses as they used to. And yes they were business people selling a service prior to the 30 baht plan, and are still a business at the private hospitals.

Basics, crippled persons begging in the streets for money---WHY ?? so much for the 30 Baht care. I thought Abhisit scrapped it ???

All these persons with deformities should be entitled to some care and not have to go private. OR wait to be nominated for free treatment.

Thai health should have local doctors so the populous can make appointments. These doctors then refer on to hospital cases that need more attention.

These hospital workers are inundated with patients who cough one time in the morning so go and wait there all day to get hospital help. Stupid system.

REFORM again same as the government needs--as do all government establishments---name one department that really earns it's money ????

TAT-is another example of wasted money. and look at it's budget------all examples. the top is the problem, it's admin.

[icommunity]

NHRC have been very silent ever since the PM was attacked with derogatory words and cartoons etc.

[ginjag]

And now all together... three... two... one... We don't like your political leadershippppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!! Caretaker PM please go homeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know you support violence and you like Suthep's leadership, you don't have to express yourself like this.....

Now, stop drinking and smoking, switch of your computer and have a nice sleep.

And you then support the non violent type--The Reds ??? you amaze me with this talk.

Back on subject that was what ericBerg was doing, saying the government are bringing out all these professions to voice their opinions. It is their problem and are now having to answer to their deeds.

[maderaroja]

When will Thai people learn to not use insulting or filthy words on their T-shirts?

[EricBerg]

And now all together... three... two... one... We don't like your political leadershippppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!! Caretaker PM please go homeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

We all know you support violence and you like Suthep's leadership, you don't have to express yourself like this.....

Now, stop drinking and smoking, switch of your computer and have a nice sleep.

Then quote me where i did encourage that violence. I remember reading some post from you commenting I was switching opininions. Show me. Perhaps your English abilities aren't good enough to read my posts well?

Then especially for you: Suthep went way over the top threatening with kidnapping. I repeatedly said he should retire as soon as the shinaclan was toppled from the government. Then others should take over in convincing the reds of the nature of the beast (the missunderstood fugitive and his lot).

The main target is to get rid of the shinaclan. Without shooting kidnapping or anything else. Suthep now is the leader in that. He will later have to answer many questions in court I suppose.

Do show me where I encourage violence.

[tingtongteesood]

A few expletives and insults here and there are far preferable to the red rabble being incited to kill people and burn buildings down. At least the only thing insults hurt will be people's feelings....

[DLock]

...actually, Human Rights can be defined as

"The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law."

So, by not being allowed to express their opinions on stage, it is their basic human right that is being violated.

Clownshoes.

[FangFerang]

This is a nasty trick they learned from the US and Great Britain. You have someone who is involved, but not part of your movement/side say something that some of your supporters would love to hear (usually the fringe, who are bored with logical debate and criticisms before they even begin to be stated). Now the quotes are out. Then you wag your finger at your comrade, but never distance yourself from them or remove them from your situation and relationship. It gives the fringe a muted voice, and they laugh among themselves that the truth comes out in sound bites, then your group everyone pretends justice is served by wagging a finger and moving on. Plus it creates publicity, and furthers confrontations, all without approval, of course.

I already disagreed with that, and it does not represent our views. Next question please.

Edited January 16, 2014 by FangFerang

[djhotsox]

Yes, please do not use insulting words like "one man one vote", "democratically elected government", "fair election" and "ok, we vote in February 2nd., too".

Insulting words? Or simply "oxymorons" in Thailand?

[metisdead]

A nonsense trolling post has been removed as well as the replies.

[thhMan]

Quick Rant:
There is a NHRC ???

When have they ever spoken up about the rights of expats ????

Medical people are somewhat educated, so why would they support something that is unconstitutional? Or is this protest fully legal?

[Scamper]

Can the discourse descend any further ? Nasty words ? Does everybody really feel better when expressions like " Good gravy " are used ? The NHRC have so many real issues to look at - particularly when associated with this particular administration. And if I hear of another cabinet minister who is using facebook for public announcements I think I'll scream.

( Politely of course ).