Popular Post kikoman Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 What a sad day for Thailand!! The powers behind the scene pulling the strings and getting their way again!! All to keep an outdated feudal system in place!! And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! I dont understand your post - shins have to go - but no electoral reform - what do you want then>>?? Your question is clueless, it does not matter what any Falang wants, it is what the majority of the Thai people want and They are a better judge than you of what is best for them in the political process in "their" country! Cheers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcomer71 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What a sad day for Thailand!! The powers behind the scene pulling the strings and getting their way again!! All to keep an outdated feudal system in place!! And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! I dont understand your post - shins have to go - but no electoral reform - what do you want then>>?? I think you did not read his post well. He did not ask for no reforms, he despise (as I do) Suthep's "People's council"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post millwall_fan Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 The PM is playing the hand she's been dealt very well. Her offer will draw into sharp focus the fact that a postponement would be pointless because Suthep seeks the cancellation of the election not its postponement. Better to go ahead with it now. In any event she couldn't trust Suthep's promises. One minute he and his henchmen are promising not to prevent people from voting, the next he threatens to do just that. I hope the international media manage to capture pictures of him physically stopping people from casting their ballots which would show him up for the despot he is. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CockneyGit Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! You slag the Shins and then the ''people's council'' idea as well. The ''council'' idea is from Suthep. Both sides are as bad as each other. Whoever's in power out of the current crop of so-called politicians Thailand is doomed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarric Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) "Ms Yingluck has sent a signal she is ready to step down and postpone the election. She also wants assurances that her family will be safe." She also previously wanted to leave politics entirely by resigning until Thaksin said she could be charged for not doing her duty. She seems like she just want's her family to be safe especially after people following her son and threatening her family. Edit: I got it wrong it doesnt say she wanted to leave politics forever in that article, my bad. However he willingness to leave politics has come up on several occasions since the protests began. At the end of the day it is about giving Thaksin the best chance of maintaining his grip on the Thai government corruption pie and if Yingluck resigning and postponing the elections is the best way for him to do that, that is what will happen. Edited January 25, 2014 by Tarric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. What Suthep wants, is not what the country wants, kindly refer to the poll on this forum, that state 79% of Thai's polled plan to vote! Finally, the elitist lapdogs on the Court realize they have no authority to make such a ruling on postponing an election under the constitution. And referred to the Army cancelling the 2006 election,in their decision that it had been done before! (very thin legal grounds) It places the Government back in control of the situation, Yingluck offered reasonable conditions that all parties must agree to prior to such an agreement. If they refuse to agree on the reasonable offer. Then is by there refusal, to end the protest, that the election was not postponed. Ball back in your court, Suthep! Classic! How does calling an election without agreeing to discuss the protesters calls for change change anything? All this "offer" does is change the date, nothing else. suthep's fascist council isn't the solution but the protesters feel there does need to be change and some sort of framework created to bring it about. Changing the date won't do this. As for polls, a poll gives the answers the pollsters want it to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." as reported here. Clueless. Yes. And how will this meet the protesters calls for change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yingluck has agreed to resign and leave politics forever if her families safety is guaranteed and if there will be a normal run of the mill election. Currently Suthep and the PDRC have refused to completely okay this offer, however they haven't flat out refused it either. When did Yingluck agree to resign and leave politics forever? Did I miss something? There was an article about it in the Bangkok post about a week ago I will see if I can find it. If there was and she said that then I missed that completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Interesting. I'm surprised at this offer to say the least. I am not really...right now it would be very difficult to calm the angry farmers, her electorate, in a few month probably easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Ms Yingluck has sent a signal she is ready to step down and postpone the election. She also wants assurances that her family will be safe." She also previously wanted to leave politics entirely by resigning until Thaksin said she could be charged for not doing her duty. She seems like she just want's her family to be safe especially after people following her son and threatening her family. Edit: I got it wrong it doesnt say she wanted to leave politics forever in that article, my bad. However he willingness to leave politics has come up on several occasions since the protests began. At the end of the day it is about giving Thaksin the best chance of maintaining his grip on the Thai government corruption pie and if Yingluck resigning and postponing the elections is the best way for him to do that, that is what will happen. Hardly the same thing now is it. If she steps down, the other sister takes over. It's not rocket science, nor is it leaving Politics forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 a noble offer to try and end the crisis... she could not do it before the Court said it was legal. If the fascists and the Un-Democratic Party agree to stop the attempted coup and support a delayed election in a few months there will be time in the interregnum to discuss the complaints of the yellows in public - their proposals for reform - what people would get if they vote for them THEN the people can vote on it at the election 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 In some way this is to save the DP and help it survive...There is a constitution provision that states boycotting an election twice, will eliminate any given political Party.....Now the EC and PAD-Dem user-friendly courts are trying to save the Party...To their surprise, the street stuff has been unable to dislodge Ms. Y....so they need to do something....It is my understanding though, that the PTP is advising its' candidates, "Full speed ahead"....It is all a game, and who knows the reality at this point.....I don't think the coup-mongers will accept this anyway...It just emasculates them for the inevitable election a short time from now, and Suthep with his co-leaders will be under immediate law enforcement pressure. When I see this offer in the Thai press I shall believe it. I have never heard of this 2 boycotts and you're out thing. Do you have a link? If the CC wanted to get rid of Yingluck then it would rule on the cheating in the house and game over. If the army wanted a coup it could have stepped in at almost any time. So I don't think your post holds much water. Bear in mind what else is going on. 100,000 red shirts gathering in Ayuthaya and surrounding areas Hordes of munitions cached in Bangkok Over 500 Cambodian mercenaries mobilised Significant troops in Bangkok and environs Lots of army equipment in Bangkok Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaymondLee Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. Interesting, and Suthep is saying that they're there as a show of objection to the elections and his people are not to obstruct voters. It certainly doesn't sound as if he's sticking to one script, story, chain of events, or consequences. All it suggests is that he needs help getting into his jacket... Sent from my GT-I9300T using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soi41 Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 What a sad day for Thailand!! The powers behind the scene pulling the strings and getting their way again!! All to keep an outdated feudal system in place!! And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! I dont understand your post - shins have to go - but no electoral reform - what do you want then>>?? As much as most I don't want a corrupt government, But I don't want them replaced with an appointed "peoples council", which in principle is taking the voting rights away from the Thais!! From which layers of society do you think, the members of the council will be appointed from?? Electoral reform absolutely, but within a democratic framework! Clearer now? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icommunity Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." as reported here. Clueless. Yes. And how will this meet the protesters calls for change? The statement as reported here is dangerously midleading. The government did not offer to call off an election set for February 2. It sounds like accepting what the misled, intimidated "protesters' wanted. Clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." as reported here. Clueless. Yes. And how will this meet the protesters calls for change? it does - let's say the election is delayed for 3 months - this period will allow both sides to set out their case very clearly to the electorate before polling day then vote or are you suggesting that even if voters have a few months to digest Suthep's and PTP's proposals then vote that the majority cannot be allowed to govern? hence the end of democracy in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryBird Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Is there anything to say besides 'What a mess'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roadman Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 What a sad day for Thailand!! The powers behind the scene pulling the strings and getting their way again!! All to keep an outdated feudal system in place!! And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! What is wrong with a Peoples Council if it is a council of the people....if that occurred then the clock would be starting to move to the next 50 years with a better opportunity for Democracy. Suthep may only be the way and not the solution. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soi41 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 In some way this is to save the DP and help it survive...There is a constitution provision that states boycotting an election twice, will eliminate any given political Party.....Now the EC and PAD-Dem user-friendly courts are trying to save the Party...To their surprise, the street stuff has been unable to dislodge Ms. Y....so they need to do something....It is my understanding though, that the PTP is advising its' candidates, "Full speed ahead"....It is all a game, and who knows the reality at this point.....I don't think the coup-mongers will accept this anyway...It just emasculates them for the inevitable election a short time from now, and Suthep with his co-leaders will be under immediate law enforcement pressure. When I see this offer in the Thai press I shall believe it. I have never heard of this 2 boycotts and you're out thing. Do you have a link? If the CC wanted to get rid of Yingluck then it would rule on the cheating in the house and game over. If the army wanted a coup it could have stepped in at almost any time. So I don't think your post holds much water. Bear in mind what else is going on. 100,000 red shirts gathering in Ayuthaya and surrounding areas Hordes of munitions cached in Bangkok Over 500 Cambodian mercenaries mobilised Significant troops in Bangkok and environs Lots of army equipment in Bangkok Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I have to give it to you conspiracy-theorists!! Entertainment value 10 out of 10!! Brightens up a slow Saturday morning! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Ms Yingluck has sent a signal she is ready to step down and postpone the election. She also wants assurances that her family will be safe." She also previously wanted to leave politics entirely by resigning until Thaksin said she could be charged for not doing her duty. She seems like she just want's her family to be safe especially after people following her son and threatening her family. Edit: I got it wrong it doesnt say she wanted to leave politics forever in that article, my bad. However he willingness to leave politics has come up on several occasions since the protests began. At the end of the day it is about giving Thaksin the best chance of maintaining his grip on the Thai government corruption pie and if Yingluck resigning and postponing the elections is the best way for him to do that, that is what will happen. Does "safe" include safe from prosecution? There are many corrupt politicians world-wide who would like a sweet deal like that, without having been the overseer of one of the world's biggest scams. Sorry dearie, NO DEAL. There is a legitimate case to be made that she is liable for the losses caused by the rice scam, and I hope it is pursued to the last satang. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kikoman Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. What Suthep wants, is not what the country wants, kindly refer to the poll on this forum, that state 79% of Thai's polled plan to vote! Finally, the elitist lapdogs on the Court realize they have no authority to make such a ruling on postponing an election under the constitution. And referred to the Army cancelling the 2006 election,in their decision that it had been done before! (very thin legal grounds) It places the Government back in control of the situation, Yingluck offered reasonable conditions that all parties must agree to prior to such an agreement. If they refuse to agree on the reasonable offer. Then is by there refusal, to end the protest, that the election was not postponed. Ball back in your court, Suthep! Classic! How does calling an election without agreeing to discuss the protesters calls for change change anything? All this "offer" does is change the date, nothing else. suthep's fascist council isn't the solution but the protesters feel there does need to be change and some sort of framework created to bring it about. Changing the date won't do this. As for polls, a poll gives the answers the pollsters want it to. What part of the "Majority Rule" in a democratic system, do you not understand, A democracy is ruled by the vote of the majority, not the illegal acts of the minority. Yes I know a common tactic is to question the validity of a poll that does not favor, your opinion. Cheers Edited January 25, 2014 by kikoman 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Ms Yingluck has sent a signal she is ready to step down and postpone the election. She also wants assurances that her family will be safe." She also previously wanted to leave politics entirely by resigning until Thaksin said she could be charged for not doing her duty. She seems like she just want's her family to be safe especially after people following her son and threatening her family. Edit: I got it wrong it doesnt say she wanted to leave politics forever in that article, my bad. However he willingness to leave politics has come up on several occasions since the protests began. At the end of the day it is about giving Thaksin the best chance of maintaining his grip on the Thai government corruption pie and if Yingluck resigning and postponing the elections is the best way for him to do that, that is what will happen. Hardly the same thing now is it. If she steps down, the other sister takes over. It's not rocket science, nor is it leaving Politics forever. I'm not convinced that slotting in yet another of the Shinawatra family will be the smartest move on their part.... Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phutoie2 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 YS looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davejones Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If Suthep wants reform before an election he's painted as anti-democratic. So is Yingluck now also anti-democratic by offering to deny people a vote? Doesn't it amount to the same thing? I would say it's in PT favor to postpone because they will have time to pay farmers, which will mean more votes.Also time to clear the streets. Seems like she votes to deny people a vote until her own situation improves. What happened to all that talk of democracy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 BLINK. Every timer she blinks, they realise it is working more and more. I predict ; They will go more peaceful and less disruptive, but not go away. The goal is to remove Thaksin's hands from the ability to use public funds to buy the next election in Rice country and to increase the government's embarrassment for inept governance and mounting losses for the nation. She just isn't appearing steely enough to stand fast an against this continuous pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scamper Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 With the Yingluck administration's back pinned against the wall, a last attempt to salvage an administration already destined to collapse will not change either the dynamic or sentiment on the ground and throughout the country - including now the farmlands of the North. The day before Thais go to the polls for advance voting, the Yingluck administration suddenly decides it can indeed delay the election. But delaying the election is not what the people want, nor what they ever wanted. They have been clear from the very beginning. They want the Yingluck administration to step down and allow reforms to take place. They know that Thaksin's grip on this administration has led to a status quo rife with corruption that the people will no longer tolerate. They believe in a Thailand that is free of Thaksin. But the administration has refused to listen. And they refuse to listen now. They will not accept any scenario where Thaksin isn't a firm reality of this administration. Did they really think in November or even December after the election was called that the massive swelling of opposition to this administration was predicated on wanting to have an election in May instead of February ? Did they not realize that reform before elections was what they wanted ? And now that the Constitution Court has indeed found delay to be possible, why isn't the Yingluck administration interested in reform ? Why - after all these months did Yingluck not once utter today the word - " reform ". Is it a hard work for her to understand ? Apparently. She never understood the basis of the people's mistrust - what they were trying to say. And she still doesn't. They may have discovered that they are in a cul-de-sac, but the reality of it is is that they've been in one for a very long time, and all because of Thaksin's selfish insistence on the ludicrous and unconscionably sweeping amnesty bill There are two things the administration can do. One, they can relinquish this unlawful caretaker imposed emergency decree, stop going after the media, and stop issuing more restrictions on the freedom of movement and free peaceful expression on the people of Thailand. Two, they should quietly step down and allow reform to take place. They are unable to govern in a caretaker capacity. They cannot lawfully retain power as a caretaker and assume the powers of the purse and of legislative governance. They are the subject of an array of significant court challenges of corruption and misuse of power. There is no court in the land that is going to grant them the power of government in a perpetual caretaker capacity. It's time to face and gracefully accept reality, and the voice of the Thai people. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soi41 Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 What a sad day for Thailand!! The powers behind the scene pulling the strings and getting their way again!! All to keep an outdated feudal system in place!! And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! What is wrong with a Peoples Council if it is a council of the people....if that occurred then the clock would be starting to move to the next 50 years with a better opportunity for Democracy. Suthep may only be the way and not the solution. Before you post next time, please do your homework!! The "people" in Sutheps council are going to be appointed from the top-layers of Thai society, to save the Thai voters the inconvenience of going to the ballot-box for the next year, decade or century! Believe me, Sutheps way is not leading to a future democratic Thailand! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post icare999 Posted January 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2014 What a sad day for Thailand!! The powers behind the scene pulling the strings and getting their way again!! All to keep an outdated feudal system in place!! And I see the Shins for, what they are. A corrupt family feeding their cronies! If all this ends with a "peoples council", the clock has just been turned back another 50 years!! and that wont necessarily be a bad thing. Until Taksin his clan and cronies are totally defeated Thailand has no future other than a one party Taksin state which will slowly turn into another Zimbabwie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mountain Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 In some way this is to save the DP and help it survive...There is a constitution provision that states boycotting an election twice, will eliminate any given political Party.....Now the EC and PAD-Dem user-friendly courts are trying to save the Party...To their surprise, the street stuff has been unable to dislodge Ms. Y....so they need to do something....It is my understanding though, that the PTP is advising its' candidates, "Full speed ahead"....It is all a game, and who knows the reality at this point.....I don't think the coup-mongers will accept this anyway...It just emasculates them for the inevitable election a short time from now, and Suthep with his co-leaders will be under immediate law enforcement pressure. When I see this offer in the Thai press I shall believe it. I have never heard of this 2 boycotts and you're out thing. Do you have a link? If the CC wanted to get rid of Yingluck then it would rule on the cheating in the house and game over. If the army wanted a coup it could have stepped in at almost any time. So I don't think your post holds much water. Bear in mind what else is going on. 100,000 red shirts gathering in Ayuthaya and surrounding areas Hordes of munitions cached in Bangkok Over 500 Cambodian mercenaries mobilised Significant troops in Bangkok and environs Lots of army equipment in Bangkok Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I have to give it to you conspiracy-theorists!! Entertainment value 10 out of 10!! Brightens up a slow Saturday morning! "Lots of army equipment in Bangkok" => Check the Calendar, it's Army day ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." Do they really think this is what the protestors want? How will this meet their demands for reform? Clueless. "Thailands embattled government has offered to call off an election set for February 2 if protesters end their rallies and promise not to obstruct or boycott a new one within months." as reported here. Clueless. Yes. And how will this meet the protesters calls for change? it does - let's say the election is delayed for 3 months - this period will allow both sides to set out their case very clearly to the electorate before polling day then vote or are you suggesting that even if voters have a few months to digest Suthep's and PTP's proposals then vote that the majority cannot be allowed to govern? hence the end of democracy in Thailand? Nope. I've never supported suthep's fascist council or their loony plans. I also support elections and have made that clear. However the protesters have legitimate complaints. Govts once in power can do whatever they want with impunity. PT pushed this behaviour too far and now change and an end to corruption in govt is being called for. My question is how will simply changing the date of an election bring this about? There is nothing in the OP about a dialogue being opened between the two sides to find a middle ground free of the likes of suthep and chalerm and their ilk. Or did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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