Charn Issara chief as protester - and media critic

[mrtoad]

yet another deluded thaksin hater tries to deny and disrespect other peoples right to vote.

Is there any difference than a deluded Thaksin lover such as yourself?

Thought you would have been sending in your SWAT team to clear out Suthep by now.

Edited January 27, 2014 by mrtoad

[metisdead]

A post containing overly derogatory comments toward Thais has been removed as well as the replies.

[soi41]

Hardly a surprise that one of the haves are trying to keep the not haves away from the trough!!

More surprisingly, that some of the normally "hate the rich" posters here are supporting the amart!

Ignorance??

[soi41]

yet another deluded thaksin hater tries to deny and disrespect other peoples right to vote.

Is there any difference than a deluded Thaksin lover such as yourself?

Thought you would have been sending in your SWAT team to clear out Suthep by now.

You mean those guys??

[tingtongteesood]

yet another deluded thaksin hater tries to deny and disrespect other peoples right to vote.

Reading some of your comments I'd say you're the one that is hopelessly deluded. It probably is selfinflicted too. Very sad that the respect you refer to is only meant for those who share your quite radical political views concerning Thailand.

Your opinion is shared by an increasingly isolated, anti-democratic, aggressive and dwindling minority of people in Thailand (and with absolutely no support internationally).

I simply support peoples right to vote, it is a view held internationally and a recent poll put domestic support for people wanting to vote at 80%.

If anyone is deluded, son, it's you.

And if you believe the right to vote does a democracy make then you are a seriously deluded doggy. That is a part of it but far from the be all and the end all. As previously stated many times Thailand does not have democracy, it has a weird Thaksin perverted system we call Thaksinocracy which is part democracy and part dictatorship. It needs changing and fast before there is no turning back...

[Thai at Heart]

So many in high positions in both business and the state sector are calling for reforms before an election.

Last Saturday present staff and former permanent secretaries, director- generals and officials of the Commerce Ministry, Export Promotion Dept and the Business Economics Dept took to the stage at Pathumwan to support reforms before elections.

It could happen yet if the election is postponed several months.

Reform what and how? I hear it said a lot and yet no info.

Probably no info because there was suggested that a committee should be formed that set out the reform details, but until now the government hasn't agreed, so no committee formed yet.

Don't put the cart before the horse

Suthep can't give any indication if what he thinks needs reform?

[jimsrant]

I thought he said made of good people - the definition of 'good people, being?

[sjaak327]

yet another deluded thaksin hater tries to deny and disrespect other peoples right to vote.

Reading some of your comments I'd say you're the one that is hopelessly deluded. It probably is selfinflicted too. Very sad that the respect you refer to is only meant for those who share your quite radical political views concerning Thailand.

Your opinion is shared by an increasingly isolated, anti-democratic, aggressive and dwindling minority of people in Thailand (and with absolutely no support internationally).

I simply support peoples right to vote, it is a view held internationally and a recent poll put domestic support for people wanting to vote at 80%.

If anyone is deluded, son, it's you.

And if you believe the right to vote does a democracy make then you are a seriously deluded doggy. That is a part of it but far from the be all and the end all. As previously stated many times Thailand does not have democracy, it has a weird Thaksin perverted system we call Thaksinocracy which is part democracy and part dictatorship. It needs changing and fast before there is no turning back...

Thaksin didn't write the 2007 constitution, so there is no Thaksinocracy. The constitution was written by people that lacked an electoral mandate, and was geared to prevent Thaksin's party from gaining the level of support and power they had prior to that constitution. I guess they did a poor job, or found out that the electorate had a somewhat different view,

[Skywalker69]

Looks like the Thaksin syber-worriors are on high alert on ThaiVisa.

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[soi41]

Looks like the Thaksin syber-worriors are on high alert on ThaiVisa.

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And they can spell!!

[Skywalker69]

Looks like the Thaksin syber-worriors are on high alert on ThaiVisa.

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And they can spell!!

Don't be such a smart as, please. We come from different parts of the World here on TV and not all of us have english as a native language. Guess you never used a smartphone to reply and never misspelled?

And go back and read what Methisdead wrote yesterday concerning making remarks on peoples spelling.

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Edited January 27, 2014 by Skywalker69

[khunken]

So many in high positions in both business and the state sector are calling for reforms before an election.

Last Saturday present staff and former permanent secretaries, director- generals and officials of the Commerce Ministry, Export Promotion Dept and the Business Economics Dept took to the stage at Pathumwan to support reforms before elections.

It could happen yet if the election is postponed several months.

Reform what and how? I hear it said a lot and yet no info.

Probably no info because there was suggested that a committee should be formed that set out the reform details, but until now the government hasn't agreed, so no committee formed yet.

Don't put the cart before the horse

Suthep can't give any indication if what he thinks needs reform?

Wrong. You seem to have lost touch with what has been happening here since you went back to the UK

Among the many items that Suthep has voiced as his aims are:

* Elected provincial governors.

* Elected police chief

* Decentralisation of many facets especially the control of the police

* Banned politicians are banned for life, not just 5 years

* Statute of limitations to be repealed

He knows damn well that PTP will renege on any real attempt to tackle some of the worst aspects of corruption and lack of law enforcement here - if they gain full power again with just vague promises (?) of reform

[khunken]

So many in high positions in both business and the state sector are calling for reforms before an election.

Last Saturday present staff and former permanent secretaries, director- generals and officials of the Commerce Ministry, Export Promotion Dept and the Business Economics Dept took to the stage at Pathumwan to support reforms before elections.

It could happen yet if the election is postponed several months.

Reform what and how? I hear it said a lot and yet no info.

Probably no info because there was suggested that a committee should be formed that set out the reform details, but until now the government hasn't agreed, so no committee formed yet.

Don't put the cart before the horse

Suthep can't give any indication if what he thinks needs reform?

Wrong. You seem to have lost touch with what has been happening here since you went back to the UK

Among the many items that Suthep has voiced as his aims are:

* Elected provincial governors.

* Elected police chief

* Decentralisation of many facets especially the control of the police

* Banned politicians are banned for life, not just 5 years

* Statute of limitations to be repealed

He knows dam_n well that PTP will renege on any real attempt to tackle some of the worst aspects of corruption and lack of law enforcement here - if they gain full power again with just vague promises (?) of reform

If he's voiced this, it's not very visible in the media.

Anything more concrete than that. Why they haven't pushed these issues into the forfront of the discussion a lot more, who knows. Who can argue with this in essence?

What guarantees would there be that any Committee would actually do this? Why aren't these issues being given to the existing governement?

I googled to find a concise list of demands. Can't find it. Of course the demand that yingluck resign is front and center

There has been so many reports & some interviews over the last 2 or so months which have mentioned Suthep's aims often a few at a time. It would take forever to pan through the media reports which have focused on his removing the Shin dynasty and the people's council.

What's the point in giving them to the caretaker government? They don't want any type of change which would interfere with their rule.

If the PTP - with Thaksin's approval - would sit down and talk with Abhisit & his nominees (Korn is no Suthep fan) and work out a compromised way forward, Suthep's protests would be gazumped and would fade away.

[jackrich]

Another dumb CEO. Getting involved in politics and risking dragging the entire company down.

Maybe she forgot to mention that SC Asset, one of Charn Issara's biggest competitors in the construction business, is owned by Thaksin Shinawatra.

Looks like she's trying to get rid of the competition rather than achieving political changes.

She will probably regret that decision in the future.

Edited January 27, 2014 by jackrich

[metisdead]

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[JAG]

So many in high positions in both business and the state sector are calling for reforms before an election.

Last Saturday present staff and former permanent secretaries, director- generals and officials of the Commerce Ministry, Export Promotion Dept and the Business Economics Dept took to the stage at Pathumwan to support reforms before elections.

It could happen yet if the election is postponed several months.

Reform what and how? I hear it said a lot and yet no info.

Reform the police force, abolish statute of limitations on corruption, decentralize government are topics I've heard mentioned recently- most important in my opinion, education.

But in fact there are 2 or 3 comprehensive and detailed reports already compiled by Dr Prawate, Khun Anand and Khun Khanit just waiting for the government to implement.

But all they care about is bringing the fugitive home.

Decentralise the government and reform education before an election? Reform the police?

How many years do you want before there can be an election? 15?

But it will be 15 glorious years, with good people like her at the helm!

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[khunken]

Another dumb CEO. Getting involved in politics and risking dragging the entire company down.

Maybe she forgot to mention that SC Asset, one of Charn Issara's biggest competitors in the construction business, is owned by Thaksin Shinawatra.

Looks like she's trying to get rid of the competition rather than achieving political changes.

She will probably regret that decision in the future.

Another dumb post that gets the issue back-to-front.

Given that the owners of SC Asset are very much part of the corruption that drives the PTP, Charn Issara is looking for a level playing field rather than any ficticious effort to eliminate any competition.

At least Thailand hasn't yet reached the stage where no one is allowed to protest although some posters seem to believe it should.

[lomatopo]

So this woman is ~ 60 years old, educated in the U.S., a pillar of Thai society, and all of a sudden she gets the "reform" bug.

Where was she ages ago when the country needed savvy leadership? Oh right, enjoying the fruits of Sakdina.

And she wonders when the foreign press calls her on her "foul".

[jackrich]

Another dumb CEO. Getting involved in politics and risking dragging the entire company down.

Maybe she forgot to mention that SC Asset, one of Charn Issara's biggest competitors in the construction business, is owned by Thaksin Shinawatra.

Looks like she's trying to get rid of the competition rather than achieving political changes.

She will probably regret that decision in the future.

Another dumb post that gets the issue back-to-front.

Given that the owners of SC Asset are very much part of the corruption that drives the PTP, Charn Issara is looking for a level playing field rather than any ficticious effort to eliminate any competition.

At least Thailand hasn't yet reached the stage where no one is allowed to protest although some posters seem to believe it should.

Why do you feel the need to insult my post as dumb?

Charn Issara is a competitor of SC Asset. It's clear that she has a conflict of interest here that could be interpreted as trying to get rid of the competition in order to gain a monopoly.

If you protest without resigning from the leadership of your company, one has to assume that this is what's happening. If she did not want to drag her company into this, she should have resigned. But apparently her status as CEO is worth more to her than the "cause" of the protests.

[tingtongteesood]

Another dumb CEO. Getting involved in politics and risking dragging the entire company down.

Maybe she forgot to mention that SC Asset, one of Charn Issara's biggest competitors in the construction business, is owned by Thaksin Shinawatra.

Looks like she's trying to get rid of the competition rather than achieving political changes.

She will probably regret that decision in the future.

Those are 2 totally unrelated issues. Thaksin has got rid of himself since he ran away to escape justice and he is still the owner of that company is he not ?

And since she is, as you say, 'dumb', if you are so intelligent then you must be far richer than she is, right ? Are you ?

Mindless biased crap from you as per usual.....

[jackrich]

Another dumb CEO. Getting involved in politics and risking dragging the entire company down.

Maybe she forgot to mention that SC Asset, one of Charn Issara's biggest competitors in the construction business, is owned by Thaksin Shinawatra.

Looks like she's trying to get rid of the competition rather than achieving political changes.

She will probably regret that decision in the future.

Those are 2 totally unrelated issues. Thaksin has got rid of himself since he ran away to escape justice and he is still the owner of that company is he not ?

And since she is, as you say, 'dumb', if you are so intelligent then you must be far richer than she is, right ? Are you ?

Mindless biased crap from you as per usual.....

It's generally considered dumb to go publicly support a protest while on the board of a prominent company, even worse if you are the CEO.

Why? Because if the protest goes down the wrong way, your company's image will forever be associated and therefor damaged.

People will very quickly associate the Charn Issara company now with the Suthep protests. House buyers who are considering buying a house may not buy it if they are pro-Thaksin or even neutral to the current political conflict.

Therefor, her actions are causing direct damage to the company.

If you think her decision is smart, well ...then that's your opinion.

[englishoak]

Another dumb CEO. Getting involved in politics and risking dragging the entire company down.

Maybe she forgot to mention that SC Asset, one of Charn Issara's biggest competitors in the construction business, is owned by Thaksin Shinawatra.

Looks like she's trying to get rid of the competition rather than achieving political changes.

She will probably regret that decision in the future.

Another dumb post that gets the issue back-to-front.

Given that the owners of SC Asset are very much part of the corruption that drives the PTP, Charn Issara is looking for a level playing field rather than any ficticious effort to eliminate any competition.

At least Thailand hasn't yet reached the stage where no one is allowed to protest although some posters seem to believe it should.

Seriously think the Issara group arnt interested in eliminating the competition or would given half the chance ? mmmkayyy

just a small part of its empire

This old lady is just another member of the elite, white hair ,false smile, the lot.

Edited January 27, 2014 by englishoak

[tingtongteesood]

Reading some of your comments I'd say you're the one that is hopelessly deluded. It probably is selfinflicted too. Very sad that the respect you refer to is only meant for those who share your quite radical political views concerning Thailand.

Your opinion is shared by an increasingly isolated, anti-democratic, aggressive and dwindling minority of people in Thailand (and with absolutely no support internationally).

I simply support peoples right to vote, it is a view held internationally and a recent poll put domestic support for people wanting to vote at 80%.

If anyone is deluded, son, it's you.

And if you believe the right to vote does a democracy make then you are a seriously deluded doggy. That is a part of it but far from the be all and the end all. As previously stated many times Thailand does not have democracy, it has a weird Thaksin perverted system we call Thaksinocracy which is part democracy and part dictatorship. It needs changing and fast before there is no turning back...

Thaksin didn't write the 2007 constitution, so there is no Thaksinocracy. The constitution was written by people that lacked an electoral mandate, and was geared to prevent Thaksin's party from gaining the level of support and power they had prior to that constitution. I guess they did a poor job, or found out that the electorate had a somewhat different view,

Regardless of who wrote what when in which version of the constitution, Thaksin and his cronies have tried very hard to pervert and subvert whatever there is in there whenever it suits them and seem to think that 'the law' should only apply to those who disagree with them, whilst they are above the law and can do whatever the hell they want. Hence Thaksinocracy is what we have now, a severely messed up form of government that is twisting towards dictatorship soon if the Dubai fugitive gets his way and they are allowed to continue unchecked..,.

[Maggusoil]

Hmm... so she believes that the foreign media rely on information from Thaksin's lobbyists and that the majority in Chiang Mai are anti-Thaksin? Not convinced she's reached this position after a 'careful study of the issues'. Sounds like just more of the typical PDRC talking points to me.

At the very least she is promoting the idea that anyone wanting an understanding of the issues, must do the research necessary to make an informed opinion. Gaining knowledge from as large a variety of sources as possible.

This in itself is a key to all our understanding of what is going on in Thailand. The struggle for power, by people who have no allegiance to the country other than as yet another resource, of politically under educated people, who can be manipulated and stolen from.

To oust the thieves at the top, Thais have to do a lot of work in creating a real democracy, without access to the effective tools to do so.

A vote is meaningless without having real, lovers of Thailand to vote for. Not just a choice between two or three greed obsessed autocrats, funded by corruption and foreign vested interests.

There has to be a means of obtaining justice in the courts, with a judiciary unfettered by corruption.

Most importantly, Thailand needs real freedom of speech, personal and public. The lack of freedom of speech in Thailand is its greatest impediment to real, effective democracy. Despite a decline of freedom of speech in the West, it is still a long way ahead of the lack of this freedom in Thailand. Media organisations need laws to protect journalists when doing their work.

This should also include moderating Lese Majeste laws, far more in line with the international standards of modern democracies.

Fearing imprisonment for expressing a point of view, something quite common in Thailand, is not in the interests of the country's development and definitely not something any of the so-called leaders here can be proud of, as being part of the country's ethos.

Anybody taking on this work, and forming an opinion has a lot of work to do.

I ask, where are the real leaders?