Protesters unfazed by Chalerm's vow to reclaim sites

[gemini81]

I will try with again, but perhaps the deficiency is not in my language but in your understanding.

- First I said that I have relatives, friends, and coworkers that are protesting out there, and It is very disheartening to read comments that are hungry for violence against our loved ones.

How can I rephrase that to suit your taste? I really don't know. I am sorry.

- Secondly, I said: "Using the word "but" again? “But” is one of the most miserable words in the vocabulary. I don't like violence, but… No one should be killed, but… I love you, but…

I am deeply disheartened to see so many people attempting to reason with the "logic" of the causes for killing a person"

With that, I am just trying to say that I can not understand any kind of excuse for violence.

Is that correctly expressed, or does it require further clarifications?

I hope that your relatives, friends and coworkers are not part of the group that is stopping others from exercising their constitutional right to vote. Because if they are, they are knowingly exposing themselves to a grave risk of bodily harm from others who might not be as tolerant as you and I.

Then there is no guilt or remorse about the red shirt killed in 2010

Their innocent lovely souls shall return as monks...

c'mon, they wanted it, to play martyr and their master coward wanted it to play out like this.

You also don't remember (or weren't here) for the 7 million baht payout to families of 'red saints' who put their lives on the line with stolen grenade launchers, guns and molotovs?

[Mentors]

Chalerm is cleaning out just NOW the fascist whistle mob. Many pics on FB this hour. In some areas the Mob is gone with the wind already.

[northernjohn]

Shall I upload pictures of the weapons found in the back of the truck he was on? Some father, indeed.

On and on again...

Perhaps it is my fault that my point has not been understood at all. English is not by first language. I'm sorry, I can't do better than that.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words which is why you posted a pic of the daughter of the dead protester. You wanted to show the human side of him. That is clear.

But we have evidence that on the back of his truck were weapons that could be used to kill others. You see there is another side to this man. The claim has always been that these are peaceful protests. That clearly is not true.

Look closely at the end of your wrists. You will see weapons capable of killing people. So would that make it OK to kill you?

Was there any thing in the back of the truck capable of protecting him self. If so it failed and would there fore be useless.

[Gweiloman]

I hope that your relatives, friends and coworkers are not part of the group that is stopping others from exercising their constitutional right to vote. Because if they are, they are knowingly exposing themselves to a grave risk of bodily harm from others who might not be as tolerant as you and I.

Then there is no guilt or remorse about the red shirt killed in 2010

I'm sorry, I don't understand your point?

Perhaps he means that, since you are openly justifying violence against this demonstrators, you are also happy about the killings in 2010. Violence is violence, no matter the label of who is killed. Isn’t it?

You mentioned that English is not your native tongue so that could explain your mis-comprehension of my post.

I don't, openly or otherwise, justify any violence. I have seen too well myself where that road leads to. I was merely making a risk assessment and stating a possible (and even probable) scenario, one that has precedence just a few days ago.

[tingtongteesood]

It isn't so much the 'hate' on here that concerns me as the amount of total lies and propaganda that I see on here these days. I spend most of my time shaking my head at the bs and trying to point it out to people. Those who have married into farming families seem to usually think that they are better off under Thaksin so they don't want to see him gone, despite the damage his cronies have done to the country. As long as they keep getting paid much more than the rice is worth, everyone else can go to hell ! This seems to be the main problem to me, the 'as long as I am doing well screw the rest of you' attitude that seems so prevailent here seems to be rubbing off on the expats from their families....

Edited January 28, 2014 by tingtongteesood

[Gweiloman]

It isn't so much the 'hate' on here that concerns me as the amount of total lies and propaganda that I see on here these days. I spend most of my time shaking my head at the bs and trying to point it out to people. Those who have married into farming families seem to usually think that they are better off under Thaksin so they don't want to see him gone, despite the damage his cronies have done to the country. As long as they keep getting paid much more than the rice is worth, everyone else can go to hell ! This seems to be the main problem to me, the 'as long as I am doing well screw the rest of you' attitude that seems so prevailent here seems to be rubbing off on the expats from their families....

Yes, too much lies and propaganda on BOTH sides.

Most annoying are those posters whose only contributions are name calling and inane remarks such as thugs, shopping, ear medicine.....

[khunken]

The root of the problem here is beyond the childish red/yellow, farmer/elite or democratic/undemocratic discussions. The worrying issue is that there are several posters on Thai Visa that are hungry for blood, or justifying violence. This forum has become a platform to splash very dirty insults against politicians, Police, Army, Constitutional Court, and all the institutions of Thailand (except one, of course). We all know that they are all subject to critic, but the level of insults and hate is reaching astronomic proportions.

As I have already mentioned, some of you are forgetting that beyond the Yinlucks, Sutheps, Chalerms, Jatuporns, Nattawuts, Abbishits, etc… (who are also human beings, above all else) many of us have our loved ones involved in the conflict. Our concern about their safety is much bigger than our political opinions, and we feel dismayed when we read so many posts calling for hate, violence, punishment, and revenge.

It is very easy to split hate when you are comfortably sitting on your chair, but I am sure that you would think twice if you had personal links or friendship with persons on any side of the conflict (and I have them in both, so I am double distressed).

Is the administration of Thai Visa ever going to put some limit to this inhuman level of verbal confrontation and abuse?

MGP, this is not restricted to Thai Visa alone, I think you will find across the whole Thai social media platforms a lot of very angry people.

If your concern for your family's safety is bigger than political opinions then you must persuade your family members to withdraw from the conflict.

The conflict is escalating because one side has refused to compromise from day one and has knowingly pushed Thailand to the brink of a violent conflict. The tragedy is that this was the plan from the outset and that innocent, ordinary people are being dragged into the conflict as a result of this policy.

If you were one of those with an advance vote on Sunday you may well have been one of those harassed, intimidated and assaulted through no fault of your own. This coming Sunday more innocent people may suffer similarly. It can be well predicted. No wonder people are angry.

Rubbish apart from your first sentence.

Many protestors' families have concern for their loved ones' safety. They are protesting because they have a right to do so and if Thailand had a proper police force not doing CAPO's, CMPO's and Big T's bidding, they would be a lot safer.

The conflict continues because neither side is willing to negotiate and it was started because of the (temporarily) failed amnesty attempt - one of the worst (furtively amended) pieces of legislation I've ever seen (Uganda's anti-gay death penalty attempt excepted).

The voting should not have taken place. If the caretaker government had listened to the EC and not constantly lied about a postponement being unconstitutional, the voting could have been deferred and allow more time for heads of both sides to be knocked together.