Abhisit claims Section 68 of constitution for not participating in elections

[NCFC]

Good - let them slug it out! However, how even-handed are the EC, CC and the other so-called independent agencies?

In the 1990s, Italy's endemic corruption got so bad that a legal process was started to root it out. Known as "mani pulite", or "clean hands", it dug deep into corporate and mafia involvement in politics and the full story can be found online. Given that one of the biggest pigs is still at the trough, it can be argued that it wasn't 100% successful. Corruption is hard to eradicate and covert agreements hard to establish, but it is the shameless theft of public funds that can lead a nation into financial and hence social problems.

However, the one point I wanted to make is that the judges who went up against the Italian elite had to be absolutely impartial, extremely brave... and had 247 armed escorts. Are there such men in Thailand? It doesn't need a people's council, it just needs a small group of respected judges. Only when all politicians and people accept unequivocally the rulings of such judges can Thailand start to clean up its politics. Till then, it will remain a "Game of Troughs".

This is the real problem about reforming Thailand.

People live with a gun to their heads.

How do you reform in such a situation. Even a simple thing such as going to vote or delivering ballot boxes and your life is in danger.

Speak out against vested interests and you may well disappear as happened to the Muslim lawyer kidnapped off the streets of the capital.

Even being a foreigner does not ensure your safety as those who know the Wansley sugar case will know

It is going to take some very brave people to start the reform process and I don't know of a single public figure who can meet the criteria needed.

An epic tragedy on a national scale.

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[pattayaorganic]

so according to the learned judges of TV, anytime somebody can wing out a "majority" in a vote be it by legal or illegal means, then the winner is free to make or break any laws as he/she pleases. Is that how you define democracy?

Actually what most of you don't know is that what you are trying to call a democracy is actually a republic. True democracies have a rule of law and protection of minority rights. The majority, are not able to enact laws that transfers the countries wealth to the rural elite while bankrupting the country's finances just because they got more than 51% of the vote.

Oh, but I forgot not only is TiT logic at work here but there should also be a new category TV farang logic, which is equally valid or invalid, depending on your point of view.

[Thai at Heart]

That is however why they tend not to take narrow stand points and policies, and try to have a broad appeal, if they want to be elected.

"Hey we're the democrats, we represent the wealthy and educated in a developing 2nd world country.

Can all 10 of you please vote for us?"

It's like a Ferrari salesman in bangkok moaning that he can't sell as many cars as the salesman in central London.

It's not always about changing just so you can get everyone to vote for you. At the previous election, the Democrats got a third of the votes. They probably could have got a lot more this time around if this had been a normal election and they had participated. If they started to offer ridiculous policies like PTP, they still wouldn't get much of the PTP vote because PTP voters already don't trust them, and they would probably lose some of their regular vote. What the Democrats are currently looking for is reform so that the party in power can't rob Thailand blind. Over time the electorate will learn to look past the people and the party and actually look at what is being offered.

That's a good. The thing is NO ONE stands up with any recognisable societal, or economic principle.

If Abhisit stands up and says, vite for me, I believe in,

A. Land reform

B. Market liberalisation

C. Lower taxes for the rich or poor

Etc etc he can't implement them because he is beholden completely to his old backers. In reality the country does need some development and social policies exactly along the lines of what thaksin did.

It needs changea to the market to help farmers. That will annoy cp. The country desperately needs land reform. That will annoy the rich. The country desperately needs reform of the civil service and state assets. That will annoy the unions.

And the list goes on.

Before there is an election, if he wants to win it, he needs a bit of reform in party. Just like blair reformed the labour party yo get elected (as much as I can't stand him), so Abhisit needs to reform the democrats and pull them to the centre ground.

The country is developing and it does need some change, but Abhisit stands too much for protecting the status quo which is very very inequitable.

When 80% of the arable land is in the hands of 10%, there is something grossly wrong. When 10%,of the population holds 75% of the wealth, to say you don't want to find a way to solve this is bizarre to me.

Problem is. Which party largely created the policies that created this situation over the last 60 years? The democrats.........

Edited February 4, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[kikoman]

That is however why they tend not to take narrow stand points and policies, and try to have a broad appeal, if they want to be elected.

"Hey we're the democrats, we represent the wealthy and educated in a developing 2nd world country.

Can all 10 of you please vote for us?"

It's like a Ferrari salesman in bangkok moaning that he can't sell as many cars as the salesman in central London.

It's not always about changing just so you can get everyone to vote for you. At the previous election, the Democrats got a third of the votes. They probably could have got a lot more this time around if this had been a normal election and they had participated. If they started to offer ridiculous policies like PTP, they still wouldn't get much of the PTP vote because PTP voters already don't trust them, and they would probably lose some of their regular vote. What the Democrats are currently looking for is reform so that the party in power can't rob Thailand blind. Over time the electorate will learn to look past the people and the party and actually look at what is being offered.

If the Democrats want reform to keep the party in power from robbing Thailand blind (your words not mine) they should start by being tried for the (5) outstanding corruption charge pending against them in the Constitutional court, because they were robbing Thailand blind when they were in power. That is not even counting the pending murder charges against Abhisit and Suthep1

You need to do some reading before you post you usual B**S--

Cheers

Edited February 4, 2014 by kikoman

[whybother]

That's a good. The thing is NO ONE stands up with any recognisable societal, or economic principle.

If Abhisit stands up and says, vite for me, I believe in,

A. Land reform

B. Market liberalisation

C. Lower taxes for the rich or poor

Etc etc he can't implement them because he is beholden completely to his old backers. In reality the country does need some development and social policies exactly along the lines of what thaksin did.

It needs changea to the market to help farmers. That will annoy cp. The country desperately needs land reform. That will annoy the rich. The country desperately needs reform of the civil service and state assets. That will annoy the unions.

And the list goes on.

Before there is an election, if he wants to win it, he needs a bit of reform in party. Just like blair reformed the labour party yo get elected (as much as I can't stand him), so Abhisit needs to reform the democrats and pull them to the centre ground.

The country is developing and it does need some change, but Abhisit stands too much for protecting the status quo which is very very inequitable.

When 80% of the arable land is in the hands of 10%, there is something grossly wrong. When 10%,of the population holds 75% of the wealth, to say you don't want to find a way to solve this is bizarre to me.

Problem is. Which party largely created the policies that created this situation over the last 60 years? The democrats.........

Where have I said that I don't want to solve those issues?

Do you know how many years the Democrats have been in power since 1932? 9 years!

[MunterHunter]

If the Democrats want reform to keep the party in power from robbing Thailand blind (your words not mine) they should start by being tried for the (5) outstanding corruption charge pending against them in the Constitutional court, because they were robbing Thailand blind when they were in power. That is not even counting the pending murder charges against Abhisit and Suthep1

You need to do some reading before you post you usual B**S--

Cheers

Just as soon as the paymaster gets his day (or week) in court...

How about we process these cases in chronological order? Regardless of who is prosecuted first that would seem a fairer way forward, no?

Edited February 4, 2014 by MunterHunter

[ramrod711]

Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of the State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So there you have it, Yingluck and PTP are trying to have elections on different days which is unconstitutional. They should be banned, have their assets seized, be thrown in prison and a good old tar and feathering would be nice.

[tx22cb]

Cripes - I thought the US was bogged down by a litigious environment generating frivolous lawsuits and hordes of ambulance-chasing lawyers ... but Thailand's Constitutional Court must be the busiest of its kind in the world ....

[casualbiker]

Abhisit is desperate and clutching at straws as he watches his political career crumbling.

Once he gets convicted for the murder charges against him for the deaths in 2010, he will never be allowed to return to politics anyway.

Convicted of murder....

Hahaha. Right! Manslaughter possibly. But even then a long stretch......

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

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[kikoman]

If the Democrats want reform to keep the party in power from robbing Thailand blind (your words not mine) they should start by being tried for the (5) outstanding corruption charge pending against them in the Constitutional court, because they were robbing Thailand blind when they were in power. That is not even counting the pending murder charges against Abhisit and Suthep1

You need to do some reading before you post you usual B**S--

Cheers

Just as soon as the paymaster gets his day (or week) in court...

How about we process these cases in chronological order? Regardless of who is prosecuted first that would seem a fairer way forward, no?

I have no problem with that, as the Constitutional court is fast tracking the case against Yingluck, while the cases against the Democrats have been pending since they left power in 2011, and Abhisits has his own rice scandal pending.

You want them to go after Thaksin, I have no problem with that, I want the Democrats to face up to their corruption in the court system before they want to reform Yingluck! She will have her day in court before Abhisit and Suthep do, talk about corruption!

Cheers

[hotrod4098]

this is all about POWER AND MONEY..no side will give in..this will go on for years..

[JoeLing]

As more or less every politician has acted against one or the other article in the constitution,
a document they all have sworn to the King to uphold, could I sue them under Thai Criminal
Code Section 112: "Whoever defames, insults or threatens the King, Queen, the Heir-apparent
or the Regent, shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years." ?

[choff56]

Abhisit is desperate and clutching at straws as he watches his political career crumbling.

Once he gets convicted for the murder charges against him for the deaths in 2010, he will never be allowed to return to politics anyway.

There's no going back after you have sold your soul.

[casualbiker]

That is however why they tend not to take narrow stand points and policies, and try to have a broad appeal, if they want to be elected.

"Hey we're the democrats, we represent the wealthy and educated in a developing 2nd world country.

Can all 10 of you please vote for us?"

It's like a Ferrari salesman in bangkok moaning that he can't sell as many cars as the salesman in central London.

It's not always about changing just so you can get everyone to vote for you. At the previous election, the Democrats got a third of the votes. They probably could have got a lot more this time around if this had been a normal election and they had participated. If they started to offer ridiculous policies like PTP, they still wouldn't get much of the PTP vote because PTP voters already don't trust them, and they would probably lose some of their regular vote. What the Democrats are currently looking for is reform so that the party in power can't rob Thailand blind. Over time the electorate will learn to look past the people and the party and actually look at what is being offered.

If the Democrats want reform to keep the party in power from robbing Thailand blind (your words not mine) they should start by being tried for the (5) outstanding corruption charge pending against them in the Constitutional court, because they were robbing Thailand blind when they were in power. That is not even counting the pending murder charges against Abhisit and Suthep1

You need to do some reading before you post you usual B**S--

Cheers

Which outstanding corruption charges?

can you post a link. Thanks.

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[kikoman]

Section 68. No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of the State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution.

So there you have it, Yingluck and PTP are trying to have elections on different days which is unconstitutional. They should be banned, have their assets seized, be thrown in prison and a good old tar and feathering would be nice.

By what you posted as Section 68, Suthep and the Democrats have been doing that for the last 3 month, Violating people constitutional rights to vote, to live a normal life in Bangkok. How about then being caught red-handed with the hired guns.

And you state the PTP by following the constitution, the royal decree, to have an election, "Should be banned, have their assets seized, be thrown in jail", are you for real, It was the EC that failed to do their job and closed down some polls, they failed to provide security for.

I can not believe your logic!

Cheers

[gemini81]

The CC favours Abhisit over Yingluck so maybe he might win.

Easiest person to outsmart in Thailand, that's why. At least don't have a debate with her on the newest brand s& shopping malls in Europe, or she may have the upper hand in that single argument (if she ever acquires language skills that is).

[CantSpell]

68 here, 68 here... 68 again, just kick them all out lol....

Then we will be left with Chuwit... He knows better , he only calls for 69's

[charmonman]

I know common sense doesn't exist here but..

If you are in the minority, you need to adjust your thinking to increase your numbers. I suppose that never occurs to them.

That doesn't work very well for minorities that can't change things ... such as race, sexual preference, etc.

Even political groups shouldn't change if they are doing what they believe is right.

Certainly! If they could, Hiroito, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Fidel Castro, Kin yon Un and Dr. Menguele (to name only a few egregious examples) would 100% agree with you. They all believed that what they were doing was right.

Care to add another name in that group?

I'll add another name to the group. Pretty obvious really. The name I would add is Thaksin Shinawatra.

[charmonman]

68 here, 68 here... 68 again, just kick them all out lol....

Then we will be left with Chuwit... He knows better , he only calls for 69's

I honestly think Chuwit would be better than the current government. Seriously!

[Thai at Heart]

That's a good. The thing is NO ONE stands up with any recognisable societal, or economic principle.

If Abhisit stands up and says, vite for me, I believe in,

A. Land reform

B. Market liberalisation

C. Lower taxes for the rich or poor

Etc etc he can't implement them because he is beholden completely to his old backers. In reality the country does need some development and social policies exactly along the lines of what thaksin did.

It needs changea to the market to help farmers. That will annoy cp. The country desperately needs land reform. That will annoy the rich. The country desperately needs reform of the civil service and state assets. That will annoy the unions.

And the list goes on.

Before there is an election, if he wants to win it, he needs a bit of reform in party. Just like blair reformed the labour party yo get elected (as much as I can't stand him), so Abhisit needs to reform the democrats and pull them to the centre ground.

The country is developing and it does need some change, but Abhisit stands too much for protecting the status quo which is very very inequitable.

When 80% of the arable land is in the hands of 10%, there is something grossly wrong. When 10%,of the population holds 75% of the wealth, to say you don't want to find a way to solve this is bizarre to me.

Problem is. Which party largely created the policies that created this situation over the last 60 years? The democrats.........

Where have I said that I don't want to solve those issues?

Do you know how many years the Democrats have been in power since 1932? 9 years!

They have been part of the furniture forever. The army is the most successful party in the country. The dems provided a lot of dominant positions to coalitions and PMS.

[tingtongteesood]

Good - let them slug it out! However, how even-handed are the EC, CC and the other so-called independent agencies?

In the 1990s, Italy's endemic corruption got so bad that a legal process was started to root it out. Known as "mani pulite", or "clean hands", it dug deep into corporate and mafia involvement in politics and the full story can be found online. Given that one of the biggest pigs is still at the trough, it can be argued that it wasn't 100% successful. Corruption is hard to eradicate and covert agreements hard to establish, but it is the shameless theft of public funds that can lead a nation into financial and hence social problems.

However, the one point I wanted to make is that the judges who went up against the Italian elite had to be absolutely impartial, extremely brave... and had 247 armed escorts. Are there such men in Thailand? It doesn't need a people's council, it just needs a small group of respected judges. Only when all politicians and people accept unequivocally the rulings of such judges can Thailand start to clean up its politics. Till then, it will remain a "Game of Troughs".

In Indonesia they started an anti graft agency called the KPK who were too successful and the government tried to close them down. Thankfully they are still operating and clearing up the crooks. Thailand needs a similar group that has real teeth and legal powers of the courts behind them so they can do anything necessary to get the job done.

[diehard60]

Mr. Abhisit and other party executives participating in the mass rallies, in order to have the Democrat party dissolved for violating Section 68 of the constitution.

So if you use your Democratic right to protest peacefully, as Mr. Adhisit did, you are threatened, by a corrupt government to dissolve a party that brings their dirty laundry open to the people of Thailand.

What is the difference between the elected ruling party now and the unelected party before?

[diehard60]

Good - let them slug it out! However, how even-handed are the EC, CC and the other so-called independent agencies?

In the 1990s, Italy's endemic corruption got so bad that a legal process was started to root it out. Known as "mani pulite", or "clean hands", it dug deep into corporate and mafia involvement in politics and the full story can be found online. Given that one of the biggest pigs is still at the trough, it can be argued that it wasn't 100% successful. Corruption is hard to eradicate and covert agreements hard to establish, but it is the shameless theft of public funds that can lead a nation into financial and hence social problems.

However, the one point I wanted to make is that the judges who went up against the Italian elite had to be absolutely impartial, extremely brave... and had 247 armed escorts. Are there such men in Thailand? It doesn't need a people's council, it just needs a small group of respected judges. Only when all politicians and people accept unequivocally the rulings of such judges can Thailand start to clean up its politics. Till then, it will remain a "Game of Troughs".

In Indonesia they started an anti graft agency called the KPK who were too successful and the government tried to close them down. Thankfully they are still operating and clearing up the crooks. Thailand needs a similar group that has real teeth and legal powers of the courts behind them so they can do anything necessary to get the job done.

Only in your dreams will that happen here.

[tingtongteesood]

Abhisit is desperate and clutching at straws as he watches his political career crumbling.

Once he gets convicted for the murder charges against him for the deaths in 2010, he will never be allowed to return to politics anyway.

Seriously deluded ! Abhisit is watching the PT crooks crumble and just sitting back waiting.

He will never be convicted of those bullshit charges that were invented purely to make him and Suteb agree to the bullshit amnesty bill to absolve themselves. We all know it. Total waste of the court's time, but might hopefully open a Pandora's Box of dirt against Taksin and co during the evidence of the trial, here's hoping...

[tingtongteesood]

Good - let them slug it out! However, how even-handed are the EC, CC and the other so-called independent agencies?

In the 1990s, Italy's endemic corruption got so bad that a legal process was started to root it out. Known as "mani pulite", or "clean hands", it dug deep into corporate and mafia involvement in politics and the full story can be found online. Given that one of the biggest pigs is still at the trough, it can be argued that it wasn't 100% successful. Corruption is hard to eradicate and covert agreements hard to establish, but it is the shameless theft of public funds that can lead a nation into financial and hence social problems.

However, the one point I wanted to make is that the judges who went up against the Italian elite had to be absolutely impartial, extremely brave... and had 247 armed escorts. Are there such men in Thailand? It doesn't need a people's council, it just needs a small group of respected judges. Only when all politicians and people accept unequivocally the rulings of such judges can Thailand start to clean up its politics. Till then, it will remain a "Game of Troughs".

In Indonesia they started an anti graft agency called the KPK who were too successful and the government tried to close them down. Thankfully they are still operating and clearing up the crooks. Thailand needs a similar group that has real teeth and legal powers of the courts behind them so they can do anything necessary to get the job done.

Only in your dreams will that happen here.

They said the same there but it did happen. It needs the will of the people to make it happen and a lot less negative violence loving people like yourself...

[hotrod4098]

as sar nar in thailand is huge...SAVING FACE...how can this be sorted out..impossible..

the rice scheme for one should never have happened..it did happen because it was designed to make people huge amounts of money...

the word is NEVER IM.. meaning i am never full..or in other words i will never have enough money.. or enough of everything...

there greed is there for all to see..

the rice farmers who have not been paid could have sold there rice for 12 thb a kilo..but joined the pledge..to get more. say

around 18thb a kilo..inreturn they have got stuffed..

with thais its all about the bigger picture with money...they dont think or plan ahead..

so the ones who have not been paid..greed got the better of you..now you pay the price

[diehard60]

I saw on here that some of you wanted to read the English version of the Thai Constitution. You can here at this link

http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/const/2007/index.html

Have fun. But i dont see any section 68.

[whybother]

I saw on here that some of you wanted to read the English version of the Thai Constitution. You can here at this link

http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/const/2007/index.html

Have fun. But i dont see any section 68.

Maybe if you read more than the index you would have found it.

http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/const/2007/1.html#C03P13

[Mentors]

Did he still has his British Passport?

[whybother]

Did he still has his British Passport?

Did he ever have a British passport?