Caretaker PM Yingluck shuts option for neutral, non-elected premier

[Melyn]

"Thailand cannot have a non-elected leader" she states.

"It's not constitutional" she adds.

Well we've had your big brother fro Dubai doing it for 3 years.

To add to that, it should be unconstitutional for an unelected novice to be put at number one on the list to ensure that she gets selected and for the unconstitutional and unelected villain from Dubai to have the power to pressure "his" MPs to chose her as PM

Its also unconstitutional for a government to cheat and lie in the house.

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sorry you are wrong on all points

Non of these appear in Taskin's book "The Thai Costitution for Dummies"

Dummies? That might explain why the PTP wallahs are so constipated by the constitution. They have a different version!!!

Maybe it's called "Thaksin Says"

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[Gweiloman]

And who is going to appoint this 'neutral non-elected PM'?

Well that is obvious the Thai People

and you where hoping it would be you ???????

Fantastic. Great answer. To the head of the class Tezza. The Thai People will decide who is to the the PM.

Now, lets see how to institute this process. Shall we have, er, an election?

Simple mind

people from different areas of Thai institutes will be choses to be part of the committee

as They are a caretake committee, and changes must be put forward by the majority

No reason why Yingluck can not be part of the committee as long as balance is kept with a Dem leader

These are the people who will find a soulution to stopping the corruption

and form the basis of the next election

Now my 5 year old daughter understands

if you end me your email I will get her to explain it to you

Bt I will have no say in the committee and great neither will you

I find it easier to be a willow tree and bend with the wind

No matter how much you try to understand Thai Logic

You end up a mental case

Ever heard of KISS?

Keep it simple, stupid

No reason why Yingluck can not be part of the committee as long as balance is kept with a Dem leader

Why should the balance be kept with a Dem leader?

Bt I will have no say in the committee

Thank God for that. Do you know what a camel is? A horse designed by a committee.

[whybother]

Nobody knows yet. The Election is not finished and the results therefore will not be known until that time. Any pronouncements made wrt the Election results are therefore supposition.

Whether or not a majority of people support Yingluck is therefore also an unknown and more to the point, irrelevant, as the democratic method of electing a government in Thailand is those with the most votes wins. Simple enough really.

Actually, government in Thailand is formed with more than 50% of seats. Too simple for some.

I swear you get more pedantic by the minute.

Pedantic? There is a huge difference between "getting the most votes" and "getting more than 50% of seats".

Getting the most votes or even the most seats doesn't even guarantee that you can form government.

[Gunna]

Yingluck is not protecting her to her position for the sake of being in power, she is protecting the rule of law, the constitution, democracy and the will of the electorate against a cowardly and bullying opponent.

Thats why she has the support of the vast majority of Thai people and full international support. In the face of this crisis, she has shown more maturity and responsibility than the last 10 prime ministers combined.

It is believed that about 20,000,000 people voted of which it is thought that PTP received less than 8,000,000 votes and yet you say 'the vast majority of Thai people support her' Join the real world and ditch the red tinted glasses!

+1

[whybother]

So I've been reading these types of post about "Protecting the Democracy" for 2 or 3 months.

In the current thai government the PM is selected by the lower house and then appointed by the King. 74 members of the Senate are selected (appointed) and 125 members of the lower house are selected (appointed).

Of the total number of PM, Senate and House seats; 200 are appointed. Where is the "Democracy"?

The MPs in the lower house are all elected. There are 375 constituency (electorate) seats and 125 party list seats. The voter has two votes - 1 for the candidate in their electorate, and 1 for the party. The party list seats are allocated on a national proportional basis.

[indyuk]

"In case a neutral Prime Minister is appointed, he will have the same powers as a care taker prime minister."

Is she saying a neutral PM can be appointed?

Sent from my phone ...

Well yes but only is The PM resigns in favor of an elected member of her own government. However; were she to do that it will give false hope to those poorly educated people that believe that what they have been participating in is nothing but a farce led by a consummate failure.

[whybother]

"In case a neutral Prime Minister is appointed, he will have the same powers as a care taker prime minister."

Is she saying a neutral PM can be appointed?

Sent from my phone ...

Well yes but only is The PM resigns in favor of an elected member of her own government. However; were she to do that it will give false hope to those poorly educated people that believe that what they have been participating in is nothing but a farce led by a consummate failure.

Ummm ... what???

[indyuk]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible... If a judicial coup is how the opposition intends to do this let it be so.. . it will be the worst outcome possible but is probably where they are loading the dice now... remember that most if not all that faces us now since the insurrection began is a direct result of the oppositions efforts. They had their chance within the government to use the rice scheme and failed Amnesty bill to proceed through legitimate/lawful means to use their billions for political out each with the Public and delegate consolidation and lobbying within the govt..instead they started throwing chairs, beating their chest and empowering a very un-balanced mind to lead the sheep into a mindless attempt at overthrowing an elected government,, and creating/re[lacing it with a circus that is laughable yet has taken lives from all walks of life.. Blue, yellow, red, pink, brown matters not.. crooks and troughies on all sides of the sty..what matters is that those who have been empowered by the people... maintain the duties they were charged with until such a time comes through a democratic process for a change... not at the whim of every tom. dick and harry just because they can't have a piece of the pie at the moment... if she were to stand down now it would give the green light for every wealthy corrupt iconic entity to follow the same path of insurrection to achieve the same outcomes...POWER GRAB... that is not reform.... that is giving the keys to the henhouse to a whole band of wolves.. reset...? Restart...? BUZZ WORDS ...progress is not the intention of the opposition.. they don't want a fully elected Parliament they don't want to be answerable to the people.. it is not in their interests to do so.. they don't want a dilution of wealth they don't want to share the responsibility of a collective voice... whether you like or dislike the sitting PM or not has no bearing on the entity of Democracy... it must be preserved.. and acquiescing to rogue, scoundrel and charlatans is not the way to go..it condones anarchy

So I've been reading these types of post about "Protecting the Democracy" for 2 or 3 months.

In the current thai government the PM is selected by the lower house and then appointed by the King. 74 members of the Senate are selected (appointed) and 125 members of the lower house are selected (appointed).

Of the total number of PM, Senate and House seats; 200 are appointed. Where is the "Democracy"?

That is why the abandonment of the 1997 Constitution was Thailand's 'REAL Coup de terre' A Coup which prevails in the form of the 2007 Constitution which is not and will never be recognized as democratic and which engenders most of Suthep's rationalities that give false hope to Suthep and his private Army.......which no doubt was to balance himself with Abhist's 200 troops and a military convoi when he was flexing his imaginary muscle during the Red Shirts protest. However I note that the Eleventh Cavalry have not invited Suthep to shelter in their barracks yet. Army still undecided? It's all so silly.

PM Yingluck will sort all of this out for us if we let her.

[Jonmarleesco]

'She [Yingluck] would not commit on when farmers would be paid but called on the public to sympathise with the farmers and avoid escalating the rice subsidies difficulties into a political issue which could disrupt payments to farmers.' But it is a political issue, isn't it? One initiated, overseen, and ultimately bungled by the government, in its pursuit of populism.

[Melyn]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible... If a judicial coup is how the opposition intends to do this let it be so.. . it will be the worst outcome possible but is probably where they are loading the dice now... remember that most if not all that faces us now since the insurrection began is a direct result of the oppositions efforts. They had their chance within the government to use the rice scheme and failed Amnesty bill to proceed through legitimate/lawful means to use their billions for political out each with the Public and delegate consolidation and lobbying within the govt..instead they started throwing chairs, beating their chest and empowering a very un-balanced mind to lead the sheep into a mindless attempt at overthrowing an elected government,, and creating/re[lacing it with a circus that is laughable yet has taken lives from all walks of life.. Blue, yellow, red, pink, brown matters not.. crooks and troughies on all sides of the sty..what matters is that those who have been empowered by the people... maintain the duties they were charged with until such a time comes through a democratic process for a change... not at the whim of every tom. dick and harry just because they can't have a piece of the pie at the moment... if she were to stand down now it would give the green light for every wealthy corrupt iconic entity to follow the same path of insurrection to achieve the same outcomes...POWER GRAB... that is not reform.... that is giving the keys to the henhouse to a whole band of wolves.. reset...? Restart...? BUZZ WORDS ...progress is not the intention of the opposition.. they don't want a fully elected Parliament they don't want to be answerable to the people.. it is not in their interests to do so.. they don't want a dilution of wealth they don't want to share the responsibility of a collective voice... whether you like or dislike the sitting PM or not has no bearing on the entity of Democracy... it must be preserved.. and acquiescing to rogue, scoundrel and charlatans is not the way to go..it condones anarchy

So I've been reading these types of post about "Protecting the Democracy" for 2 or 3 months.

In the current thai government the PM is selected by the lower house and then appointed by the King. 74 members of the Senate are selected (appointed) and 125 members of the lower house are selected (appointed).

Of the total number of PM, Senate and House seats; 200 are appointed. Where is the "Democracy"?

That is why the abandonment of the 1997 Constitution was Thailand's 'REAL Coup de terre' A Coup which prevails in the form of the 2007 Constitution which is not and will never be recognized as democratic and which engenders most of Suthep's rationalities that give false hope to Suthep and his private Army.......which no doubt was to balance himself with Abhist's 200 troops and a military convoi when he was flexing his imaginary muscle during the Red Shirts protest. However I note that the Eleventh Cavalry have not invited Suthep to shelter in their barracks yet. Army still undecided? It's all so silly.

PM Yingluck will sort all of this out for us if we let her.

Coup de terre?

In coup parlance it's all very simple.

Yingluck needs a coup de pied

Suthep needs a coup de point

Thaksin needs a coup de grace

And Abhisit needs another coup de fouet

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[ianf]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible...

An excellent post that puts this whole saga into perspective. The pros and cons of the PTP or the Democrats as rulers do not matter. What matters is preserving the democratic system because once that is lost it could take decades to regain it.

The farang posters in this thread and many others who blindly cheer the abolition of democracy in Thailand have hardly any good arguments to justify the judicial coup in the making - instead they rely on soundbites, a few old quips about corruption and endless tirades of name-calling. All in all their arguments are totally devoid of any intellectual or rational content. And the international media has seen right through that which is why if you want a non-biased view of what is happening in Thailand you need to read foreign media.

The farangs who live in Thailand and cheer on the return of an aristocratic/oligarchic rule to the country do so because they think they are somehow part of the elite that ought to run Thailand. They see themselves as some neo-colonial force on a par with the Thai-Chinese elite. Sadly, the Thai-Chinese elite do not quite see their farang allies like that but are happy to let the farangs stay ignorant about that. The Thai-Chinese know that the pitiful farangs ready to dirty themselves by cheering on the destruction of democracy do so only because of petty self-interest - the farangs are scared that democracy in Thailand will mean an increase to their taxes, they are scared that the great mass of Thai people will increase their lot in life which will make life more expensive for your average expat farang.

Oh dear Mark, new poster. You obviously haven't read my poss over the years.

[prvtdetdave]

of course she shut it, she knows very well first thing a new / neutral PM would do would be to investigate how much money the PTP looted from the Thai coffers. IMO she is fighting not for the PM job but for her freedom and the ability to stay in Thailand and not have to flee like her coward brother Thaksin

Prove it.

[prvtdetdave]

“If (you) want a prime minister with full power, the only option is to tear up the Constitution. Whether tearing up the Constitution will be successful or not depends on the people.

Yingluck as defender of the constitution, has hell frozen over? "my family wants peace, not power" Where is the money Yingluck?

Reading comprehension is a problem for you?

[jackrich]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible...

An excellent post that puts this whole saga into perspective. The pros and cons of the PTP or the Democrats as rulers do not matter. What matters is preserving the democratic system because once that is lost it could take decades to regain it.

The farang posters in this thread and many others who blindly cheer the abolition of democracy in Thailand have hardly any good arguments to justify the judicial coup in the making - instead they rely on soundbites, a few old quips about corruption and endless tirades of name-calling. All in all their arguments are totally devoid of any intellectual or rational content. And the international media has seen right through that which is why if you want a non-biased view of what is happening in Thailand you need to read foreign media.

The farangs who live in Thailand and cheer on the return of an aristocratic/oligarchic rule to the country do so because they think they are somehow part of the elite that ought to run Thailand. They see themselves as some neo-colonial force on a par with the Thai-Chinese elite. Sadly, the Thai-Chinese elite do not quite see their farang allies like that but are happy to let the farangs stay ignorant about that. The Thai-Chinese know that the pitiful farangs ready to dirty themselves by cheering on the destruction of democracy do so only because of petty self-interest - the farangs are scared that democracy in Thailand will mean an increase to their taxes, they are scared that the great mass of Thai people will increase their lot in life which will make life more expensive for your average expat farang.

Very well written post. Thank you for this contribution.

[scorecard]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible...

An excellent post that puts this whole saga into perspective. The pros and cons of the PTP or the Democrats as rulers do not matter. What matters is preserving the democratic system because once that is lost it could take decades to regain it.

The farang posters in this thread and many others who blindly cheer the abolition of democracy in Thailand have hardly any good arguments to justify the judicial coup in the making - instead they rely on soundbites, a few old quips about corruption and endless tirades of name-calling. All in all their arguments are totally devoid of any intellectual or rational content. And the international media has seen right through that which is why if you want a non-biased view of what is happening in Thailand you need to read foreign media.

The farangs who live in Thailand and cheer on the return of an aristocratic/oligarchic rule to the country do so because they think they are somehow part of the elite that ought to run Thailand. They see themselves as some neo-colonial force on a par with the Thai-Chinese elite. Sadly, the Thai-Chinese elite do not quite see their farang allies like that but are happy to let the farangs stay ignorant about that. The Thai-Chinese know that the pitiful farangs ready to dirty themselves by cheering on the destruction of democracy do so only because of petty self-interest - the farangs are scared that democracy in Thailand will mean an increase to their taxes, they are scared that the great mass of Thai people will increase their lot in life which will make life more expensive for your average expat farang.

So you collected all the hogwash which severely lacks reality and often contains errors an untruths, and deliberately misleads and you rewrote it.

How about YOU come up with something new!

[ourmanflint]

Yingluck is not protecting her to her position for the sake of being in power, she is protecting the rule of law, the constitution, democracy and the will of the electorate against a cowardly and bullying opponent.

Thats why she has the support of the vast majority of Thai people and full international support. In the face of this crisis, she has shown more maturity and responsibility than the last 10 prime ministers combined.

You are so far from reality I shudder to think how the world actually appears to you. This government exists for one reason only, and that is to funnel money to the king of Dubai. Already Yingluck has managed to sneak out 30 billion baht of the Thai peoples money to her elder brother Thaksin, and the only reason for her wanting to go on is to get three times more.. there is no noble cause here just theft from the pockets of everyday Thai people!

Edited February 8, 2014 by ourmanflint

[Ron19]

And who is going to appoint this 'neutral non-elected PM'?

Suthep of course.

[jackrich]

Yingluck is not protecting her to her position for the sake of being in power, she is protecting the rule of law, the constitution, democracy and the will of the electorate against a cowardly and bullying opponent.

Thats why she has the support of the vast majority of Thai people and full international support. In the face of this crisis, she has shown more maturity and responsibility than the last 10 prime ministers combined.

You are so far from reality I shudder to think how the world actually appears to you. This government exists for one reason only, and that is to funnel money to the king of Dubai. Already Yingluck has managed to sneak out 30 billion baht of the Thai peoples money to her elder brother Thaksin, and the only reason for her wanting to go on is to get three times more.. there is no noble cause here just theft from the pockets of everyday Thai people!

Dubai doesn't have a King, it has an Emir who is also the Prime Minister:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_richest_royals

[Basil B]

The Shinawatra's backs are up against the wall...

The get out of jail card "The Amnesty" bill failed, they are now holding on by the nails to power because when they go, and they will there will be many revelations that will shock even the the most die hardened red shits.

I just hope Thaksin has a big house out there in Dubai for the many refugee house guests that will be turning up in the next few weeks.

[scorecard]

The Shinawatra's backs are up against the wall...

The get out of jail card "The Amnesty" bill failed, they are now holding on by the nails to power because when they go, and they will there will be many revelations that will shock even the the most die hardened red shits.

I just hope Thaksin has a big house out there in Dubai for the many refugee house guests that will be turning up in the next few weeks.

Actually the paymaster has been warned before to not use Dubai as a base for his political activities.

A stream of 'refugees (corrupt leaches) arriving there with the same certain address at hand might well be the straw that cancels the 'you can live here if your quiet' set up.

[scorecard]

Yingluck is not protecting her to her position for the sake of being in power, she is protecting the rule of law, the constitution, democracy and the will of the electorate against a cowardly and bullying opponent.

Thats why she has the support of the vast majority of Thai people and full international support. In the face of this crisis, she has shown more maturity and responsibility than the last 10 prime ministers combined.

You are so far from reality I shudder to think how the world actually appears to you. This government exists for one reason only, and that is to funnel money to the king of Dubai. Already Yingluck has managed to sneak out 30 billion baht of the Thai peoples money to her elder brother Thaksin, and the only reason for her wanting to go on is to get three times more.. there is no noble cause here just theft from the pockets of everyday Thai people!

Dubai doesn't have a King, it has an Emir who is also the Prime Minister:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_richest_royals

Picky picky jack...........you can do better than that.

[Basil B]

Yingluck is not protecting her to her position for the sake of being in power, she is protecting the rule of law, the constitution, democracy and the will of the electorate against a cowardly and bullying opponent.

Thats why she has the support of the vast majority of Thai people and full international support. In the face of this crisis, she has shown more maturity and responsibility than the last 10 prime ministers combined.

You are so far from reality I shudder to think how the world actually appears to you. This government exists for one reason only, and that is to funnel money to the king of Dubai. Already Yingluck has managed to sneak out 30 billion baht of the Thai peoples money to her elder brother Thaksin, and the only reason for her wanting to go on is to get three times more.. there is no noble cause here just theft from the pockets of everyday Thai people!

Dubai doesn't have a King, it has an Emir who is also the Prime Minister:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_richest_royals

I think the Emir will be horrified to learn that there is a new kid on the block that will want to rule and exploit his empire, and he is not even an Emirati.

[Ron19]

And who is going to appoint this 'neutral non-elected PM'?

All evidence shows that Thaksin himself is the non-elected PM.

Would you care to enlighten us with all that evidence.

[Artisi]

Quietly usher Yingluck into a room. Offer her a comfortable chair, a cup of tea. Place the constitution before her on the table. Furnish her with special gold-framed glasses. Direct her attention to Article 7. She will see that on April 1, there will be set into motion the nomination of an interim prime minister through the Senate, in lieu of a prime minister not having been nominated within 30 days of a parliamentary quorum, and in lieu of a parliamentary quorum having not been achieved 30 days prior to that. Quietly take a step back, as Yingluck composes herself, looks into the distance, thinks some more ... and then lets out a tremendous scream.

followed by, you haven't heard the last of this, just you wait until my big brother organises his friends, you'll be sorry.

[prvtdetdave]

so what happened to the April 1st deadline were she must step down and the mantle is passed to the senate to install a CTPM and administration

and 20 million people voting of which 12 million didn't vote for you dear lady and if you include those that didn't vote at all but could have that makes about 32 million that didn't vote for you - a clear message if ever there was one

Bullocks.

[Artisi]

Yingluck is not protecting her to her position for the sake of being in power, she is protecting the rule of law, the constitution, democracy and the will of the electorate against a cowardly and bullying opponent.

Thats why she has the support of the vast majority of Thai people and full international support. In the face of this crisis, she has shown more maturity and responsibility than the last 10 prime ministers combined.

You are so far from reality I shudder to think how the world actually appears to you. This government exists for one reason only, and that is to funnel money to the king of Dubai. Already Yingluck has managed to sneak out 30 billion baht of the Thai peoples money to her elder brother Thaksin, and the only reason for her wanting to go on is to get three times more.. there is no noble cause here just theft from the pockets of everyday Thai people!

Dubai doesn't have a King, it has an Emir who is also the Prime Minister:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_richest_royals

Think the poster was being funny, do you understand - funny? however for clarity for some people, maybe the poster should have said, the pretend king of Thailand hiding in Dubai. But never mind it's not all that important.

[Artisi]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible...

An excellent post that puts this whole saga into perspective. The pros and cons of the PTP or the Democrats as rulers do not matter. What matters is preserving the democratic system because once that is lost it could take decades to regain it.

The farang posters in this thread and many others who blindly cheer the abolition of democracy in Thailand have hardly any good arguments to justify the judicial coup in the making - instead they rely on soundbites, a few old quips about corruption and endless tirades of name-calling. All in all their arguments are totally devoid of any intellectual or rational content. And the international media has seen right through that which is why if you want a non-biased view of what is happening in Thailand you need to read foreign media.

The farangs who live in Thailand and cheer on the return of an aristocratic/oligarchic rule to the country do so because they think they are somehow part of the elite that ought to run Thailand. They see themselves as some neo-colonial force on a par with the Thai-Chinese elite. Sadly, the Thai-Chinese elite do not quite see their farang allies like that but are happy to let the farangs stay ignorant about that. The Thai-Chinese know that the pitiful farangs ready to dirty themselves by cheering on the destruction of democracy do so only because of petty self-interest - the farangs are scared that democracy in Thailand will mean an increase to their taxes, they are scared that the great mass of Thai people will increase their lot in life which will make life more expensive for your average expat farang.

Hope you have eliminated yourself and I from those who cheer on the abolition of democracy. I would suggest that most farangs as you like to call us, would opt for a democratic, transparent and honest government elected by the majority of Thais for the betterment of Thailand. Not a government filled with corrupt vote buying scum-bags only interested in creaming off as much money as they can for themselves.

[northernjohn]

Pure garbage.

Ms Yingluck gave assurances that the government would be responsible for overdue payments to farmers, saying that no government would ignore the problems and the people’s grievances but there are legal obstacles in assisting farmers.

There are legal obstacles barring the government from paying their bills. That being the case maybe they should not have taken them on.

saying that no government would ignore the problems and the people’s grievance.

Does that mean they are going to buy back all the land and equipment some of them had to sell to keep from starving. What about the suicides?

She would not commit on when farmers would be paid but called on the public to sympathise with the farmers and avoid escalating the rice subsidies difficulties into a political issue which could disrupt payments to farmers.

In other words if you make are screw up a political issue we won't pay them.

Pretty sad government.

[Hawkman]

Why on earth would she stand down...? To set the worst possible precedent ever...? To sanction blatant insurrection...? If she abandons the fragile Democracy which still actually keeps this place going.. it would be the worst thing possible...

An excellent post that puts this whole saga into perspective. The pros and cons of the PTP or the Democrats as rulers do not matter. What matters is preserving the democratic system because once that is lost it could take decades to regain it.

The farang posters in this thread and many others who blindly cheer the abolition of democracy in Thailand have hardly any good arguments to justify the judicial coup in the making - instead they rely on soundbites, a few old quips about corruption and endless tirades of name-calling. All in all their arguments are totally devoid of any intellectual or rational content. And the international media has seen right through that which is why if you want a non-biased view of what is happening in Thailand you need to read foreign media.

The farangs who live in Thailand and cheer on the return of an aristocratic/oligarchic rule to the country do so because they think they are somehow part of the elite that ought to run Thailand. They see themselves as some neo-colonial force on a par with the Thai-Chinese elite. Sadly, the Thai-Chinese elite do not quite see their farang allies like that but are happy to let the farangs stay ignorant about that. The Thai-Chinese know that the pitiful farangs ready to dirty themselves by cheering on the destruction of democracy do so only because of petty self-interest - the farangs are scared that democracy in Thailand will mean an increase to their taxes, they are scared that the great mass of Thai people will increase their lot in life which will make life more expensive for your average expat farang.

Hope you have eliminated yourself and I from those who cheer on the abolition of democracy. I would suggest that most farangs as you like to call us, would opt for a democratic, transparent and honest government elected by the majority of Thais for the betterment of Thailand. Not a government filled with corrupt vote buying scum-bags only interested in creaming off as much money as they can for themselves.

Exactly. Though I'm against what Suthep is doing the majority of the time; how anyone with any care for Thais and their country could stick up for this Government is beyond me. The money and care isn't going to the Poor folk, wake up! A huge amount is disappearing into the pockets of over rich, scared of losing face, corrupt parasites. The Amnesty Bill and Rice Scheme are all evidence of this, what other evidence do they need?

[bigbamboo]

The Shinawatra's backs are up against the wall...

The get out of jail card "The Amnesty" bill failed, they are now holding on by the nails to power because when they go, and they will there will be many revelations that will shock even the the most die hardened red shits.

I just hope Thaksin has a big house out there in Dubai for the many refugee house guests that will be turning up in the next few weeks.

He's got two very nice houses in England conservatively valued at around 750 million baht the pair. And he didn't even need a farang wife to buy them.