One Of These Typical Unwanted Events In Isaan.....

[sirchai]

Hello and sawasdee khrap,

Thought I'd share my experience I had made last weekend, as some of you might come into a similar situation. Last Friday morning, as usual, already late to shower, a phone call of my wife. telling me that she'd to go to the Sisaket hospital.

Need to ad that they'd messed up an operation at my leg after malfunction of my rear brake of my big bike, when 270 kg crashed some bones underneath my right knee and almost made me to a cripple.Others had died because of medical wrong doings there.

Only a few surgeries in Europe after eight months on crutches and an artificial knee joint saved me, aftee eight months on crutches, b ut the doc's always telling me that I'll be able to drive my bike again soon. ( Loss of face grrrr...)

My wife seemed to have a food poisoning and I could hardly understand her on the phone. Okay, some words to the teachers, director and off I went to Sisaket.

When I'd arrived, she'a somewhere near the emergency room in a little chamber, but nobody seemed to have any interest in doing something. Then I remembered the best doctor, went to find him and was successful after an hour.

One phone call and my wife was being brought to him. Yes, it was a serious food poisoning, caused by "Naam Pick". Never saw her suffering like that.

All we had to wait for was the doctor on second floor to take a look at her if she's able to be brought into a single room. Being in the middle of a huge room, with people having TB, various types of lungs infections etc..didn't give me the right feeling. Then they "rolled" two dead bodies out,which didn't give hope to anybody in this room.

A fresh graduated doc made a live op in the middle of the room supervised by a "better one", punctured an older woman's lungs and several other cuts, while a guy cleaned the windows and dust was all over the place.

After five hours waiting for the particular doctor making just a little decision, I must have lost my temper, when a nurse was telling me that the "Hong Phiset" , the single rooms would be full. Was different a few hours before though.

Then a guy from the hospital who wanted to bring my wife to make an X-ray. I denied telling him that she's obvious not the patient he's looking for. A woman from my wife's village shows up, gives me some documents of her mom, who's got liver cancer. Nobody is even able to tell her what's wrong with her.

I look at it, tell her that a CT had been ordered and that would be needed for any further diagnosis, unfortunately, not my wife's business, nor mine. Have to whisper, as she doesn't want anybody to hear that he mom has got cancer?..................

Two patients tight next to my wife have an open TB, which is highly infectious. We need to get our buds out oif there and I go to see the nurses again. Who's the doc for my wife, Mrs..XXXXXXXX?? They don't know it. The other two docs are busy doing useless things.

Back to my wife, making some jokes to keep her in a good mood. Finally the doctor arrives from a three hour lunch break and comes to see us. Off to the single room and it seems that we come to another world. Install my notebook, some speakers and put a good movie on to relax.

Then doing some stuff, while my son is there taking care of her. I come back in the evening and decide to let our son stay there over night, as I've to do many things at home, get something fixed and other usual bullshit.

Son has to go to his O-net test Saturday morning, so I take over early morning, we stay there ell day,no doctor shows up. I had studied medicine for three semesters, which isn't enough, then Googled some food poisoning stuff and waited for an e-mail coming from my niece who's a doctor. But no Internet in the ":special rooms', but all nurses are online and "playing facebook."

Okay back home, e mail had arrived, green light to go home from all sides. Wife's still having diarrhea, but the pain is gone, might take one or two more days for her to recover. I wrote this story as a warning for those who come in a similar situation.

Always see a single room as the highest priority in this country as a doctor had warned me about the dangers and I did lose some friends at the Sisaket hospital before, through incompetence.

Ignorance plus incompetence is a dangerous mixture.Wish you all good health and hope you don't have to experience such a weekend.-

[Thaddeus]

I have a story to tell on this, but don't have time to type it up now, just put this in as a reminder.

[howerde]

Good to see things improving for you and your wife, i guess this was a government hospital?, do you have privte insurance or the government scheme?

This should be mandatory reading for anyone moving to Thailand

Edited February 10, 2014 by howerde

[Martyjustice]

Drive one hour east to Ubon Rak. You save time and health in the long run.

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[fifthcolumn]

wow, what an absolute nightmare. im pretty freaked about tb. its all over india.

hope your wife is better!

was this nam pik meng.da? Wife loves that nasty stuff.

i also have a horor story about how a guy i knew, his wife died in doctors hands. bad operation led to infection. looked to me he caught chlamadia (pattaya) and gave it to his wife. she had full blown pid and genius removed her appendix (hey, hey had her opened up anyway $$$) shitty issan doctors, imcompetence and greed a potent mix. Who says blowjobs cant kill is very wrong indeed. Poor girl started a laundry service and was sucessful. <deleted> husband couldnt keep it in his pants. he sent her upcountry too, was cheaper. he was an ass, left pattaya with bar debts. Maybe someone caught up to him in uk?

Edited February 10, 2014 by fifthcolumn

[DILLIGAD]

I have a story to tell on this, but don't have time to type it up now, just put this in as a reminder.

I'd bet your story would be very amusing Mr.T !!!

[sirchai]

Drive one hour east to Ubon Rak. You save time and health in the long run.

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Impossible,as I was in Ubon when my wife had phoned me. And she was in a real unstable condition at the Sisaket hospital.

Would you really drive your wife around not knowing what's wrong? As she'd already been to a hospital.-

[ALFREDO]

The right insurance, or if you have enough money, opens the doors for a private hospital with most times, 5* service.

I am just coming out of Udon Thani public hospital after a necessary operation after a motobike accident and some days inside.

Waiting in a bigger hall, for the check in, for some time,,

with many others, laying on my bed, with broken arms and open skin on big parts,

they placed me next to the lifeless body of a 12 year young girl, also motobike accident which was mourned by her family who appeared one by one.

It did not lift my spirit.

Having been 1999 in the Bangkok Phuket Hospital as a Stationary In patient, had my son once in Udon Thani AEK Private Hospital and having seen also Vachira Phuket Public Hospital I knew, I should have made my planned new Health Insurance more early!

At least as a paying patient, I got a operation in the same night and waiting times where shorter for me in any station I arrived.

I never saw, see another Falang In patient until now. Still nailed in wrist and finger, I have follow ups,

Thais in the hospital look(ed) me as something unusual.

Edited February 10, 2014 by ALFREDO

[sirchai]

The right insurance, or if you have enough money, opens the doors for a private hospital with most times, 5* service.

I am just coming out of Udon Thani public hospital after a necessary operation after a motobike accident and some days inside.

Waiting in a bigger hall, for the check in, for some time,,

with many others, laying on my bed, with broken arms and open skin on big parts,

they placed me next to the lifeless body of a 12 year young girl, also motobike accident which was mourned by her family who appeared one by one.

It did not lift my spirit.

Having been 1999 in the Bangkok Phuket Hospital as a Stationary In patient, had my son once in Udon Thani AEK Private Hospital and having seen also Vachira Phuket Public Hospital I knew, I should have made my planned new Health Insurance more early!

At least as a paying patient, I got a operation in the same night and waiting times where shorter for me in any station I arrived.

I never saw, see another Falang In patient until now. Still nailed in wrist and finger, I have follow ups,

Thais in the hospital look(ed) me as something unusual.

Hope you'll be okay soon. Have been at the emergency at night. Up to ten victims. most motorbike accidents, but no doctor around.

A speedy recovery for you. Better to NOT see them from the inside.-

[DILLIGAD]

The private hospital in Sisaket is 2 minutes away from the Government hospital.

No matter what was wrong with me, I'd risk those extra 2 minutes because it would probably save you a minimum of 2 hours wait to be patched up!

[stevo2]

Strange that the people of Sissakhet still vote "red".

The hospitals have been suffering since the introduction of the 30 baht scheme. Good policy to get the poor to vote for you, but Mr T neglected to fund the scheme. The hospitals are at breaking point and there is nothing that they can do.

The horror story above does seem exceptional. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows that he has an ingrained hatred for Thai hospitals. I, for one, have never had a bad experience.

Don't forget that most of the private hospitals in Issan are staffed by moonlighting government doctors. The same ones the OP was slagging off, meaning that the diognosis, decisions and treatment are likely to be the same. The only difference will be the bill.

The stories about the best doctors being in Bangkok or Pattaya or where ever is deemed elitest, because that is where they studied, is also misleading. When medical students graduate they get sent to hospitals where they need Doctors. The last time I visisted a government hospital here in Issan my main two doctors were not from local provinces.

Take a look at the internet and search horror stories from hospitals in the UK or USA or mainland Europe. There are many, many stories and they ususally end in a death. This particular story did not.

Sorry, but one bad story does not make a bad hospital. If the service was really constantly that bad, there would be reports all over the place and there would be more westerners on here complaining about the funeral music going on for days and days in the villages.

Edited February 11, 2014 by stevo2

[Jip99]

I have a story to tell on this, but don't have time to type it up now, just put this in as a reminder.

Don't forget now.....................

[JASON THAI]

Strange that the people of Sissakhet still vote "red".

The hospitals have been suffering since the introduction of the 30 baht scheme. Good policy to get the poor to vote for you, but Mr T neglected to fund the scheme. The hospitals are at breaking point and there is nothing that they can do.

The horror story above does seem exceptional. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows that he has an ingrained hatred for Thai hospitals. I, for one, have never had a bad experience.

Don't forget that most of the private hospitals in Issan are staffed by moonlighting government doctors. The same ones the OP was slagging off, meaning that the diognosis, decisions and treatment are likely to be the same. The only difference will be the bill.

The stories about the best doctors being in Bangkok or Pattaya or where ever is deemed elitest, because that is where they studied, is also misleading. When medical students graduate they get sent to hospitals where they need Doctors. The last time I visisted a government hospital here in Issan my main two doctors were not from local provinces.

Take a look at the internet and search horror stories from hospitals in the UK or USA or mainland Europe. There are many, many stories and they ususally end in a death. This particular story did not.

Sorry, but one bad story does not make a bad hospital. If the service was really constantly that bad, there would be reports all over the place and there would be more westerners on here complaining about the funeral music going on for days and days in the villages.

Not if the people who owned the sound systems died, if would most likely be sold off to pay for there funerals LOL

Edited February 11, 2014 by JASON THAI

[sirchai]

Strange that the people of Sissakhet still vote "red".

The hospitals have been suffering since the introduction of the 30 baht scheme. Good policy to get the poor to vote for you, but Mr T neglected to fund the scheme. The hospitals are at breaking point and there is nothing that they can do.

The horror story above does seem exceptional. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows that he has an ingrained hatred for Thai hospitals. I, for one, have never had a bad experience.

Don't forget that most of the private hospitals in Issan are staffed by moonlighting government doctors. The same ones the OP was slagging off, meaning that the diognosis, decisions and treatment are likely to be the same. The only difference will be the bill.

The stories about the best doctors being in Bangkok or Pattaya or where ever is deemed elitest, because that is where they studied, is also misleading. When medical students graduate they get sent to hospitals where they need Doctors. The last time I visisted a government hospital here in Issan my main two doctors were not from local provinces.

Take a look at the internet and search horror stories from hospitals in the UK or USA or mainland Europe. There are many, many stories and they ususally end in a death. This particular story did not.

Sorry, but one bad story does not make a bad hospital. If the service was really constantly that bad, there would be reports all over the place and there would be more westerners on here complaining about the funeral music going on for days and days in the villages.

The hospitals have been suffering since the introduction of the 30 baht scheme. Good policy to get the poor to vote for you, but Mr T neglected to fund the scheme. The hospitals are at breaking point and there is nothing that they can do.

It wasn’t <r. T’s idea. He just “took” it from another politician. A monk who passed away around three years ago had “given” the city of Sisaket 50 million baht and they built a new hospital. Another huge building is under construction now.

The horror story above does seem exceptional. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows that he has an ingrained hatred for Thai hospitals. I, for one, have never had a bad experience.

I’m not “opinionated”, nor do I have an “ingrained hatred” for Thai hospitals. Too many friend’s died because of unqualified doctors there.

Don't forget that most of the private hospitals in Issan are staffed by moonlighting government doctors. The same ones the OP was slagging off, meaning that the diognosis, decisions and treatment are likely to be the same. The only difference will be the bill.

There’re private “hospitals” and “, hospitals” like anywhere on this planet.

The stories about the best doctors being in Bangkok or Pattaya or where ever is deemed elitest, because that is where they studied, is also misleading. When medical students graduate they get sent to hospitals where they need Doctors. The last time I visisted a government hospital here in Issan my main two doctors were not from local provinces.

After graduation, “medical students”, who just became doctors, will be sent to various provinces, in a sort of a “take one piece of paper, please,where a provincial city, or a village hospital is written on.. Some might go to Sisaket, some have to go to Bann XXX in the middle of nowhere, where they learn their job by making mistakes. Those "mistakes" too often end in the death of a patient.

Take a look at the internet and search horror stories from hospitals in the UK or USA or mainland Europe. There are many, many stories and they usually end in a death. This particular story did not.

I've had a bacterial infection, ( Staphylococcus Aureus) from one of the best hospitals in Germany, where I’d almost lost my leg. But usually those patients make it public, as Thais are afraid to lose face, or are just afraid of the social status of a doctor here, similar to a teacher here. No matter, If they're good, or bad. But, for example in Europe, on the other hand also specialists, who are microbiologists, who understand what they do, and find out which medicine will help.

Sorry, but one bad story does not make a bad hospital. If the service was really constantly that bad, there would be reports all over the place and there would be more westerners on here complaining about the funeral music going on for days and days in the villages

Had seen too many people getting killed, as that’s what some inexperienced doctors here do, without any consequences. Many of them were related to my wife’s family, or friends of mine. One young woman in my wife’s village only had a urinal tract infection; the “doc” injected her Antibiotics in one single shot, which would have been the dose for three days. Anaphylactic shock and she died. She’d left two little kids and I made it happen that some guys from said hospital came to her cremation.Have you ever heard of a person from Isaan who'd sued a doctor???

If you don’t believe me, it’s up to you. I’m not making anything up, if you’d like to have many names of people who actually got killed, instead of healed, please page me.

Finally, I don’t know what your funeral music input has to do with it. My post was about my experiences with Isaan hospitals in general and I strongly believe people should be aware what’s going on behind these walls. -

[DILLIGAD]

Stevo2 is right what he says about the same doctors but there are many other factors that are different between a Govt and Private hospital. One is more likely to be better equipped/healthier/ more comfortable and staffed and the other is usually jam packed with poor souls.

What happened to Stevo1? Did he take the 2nd option????? 555!

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[ALFREDO]

Hope you'll be okay soon. Have been at the emergency at night. Up to ten victims. most motorbike accidents, but no doctor around.

A speedy recovery for you. Better to NOT see them from the inside.-

Thank you -sirchai-

Just 3 month ago, my GFs mother broke her leg badly, screws and OP necessary, the family, false thinking,mama had still a covering insurance, it was the first way to UDON THANI Private big AEK hospital, some medicin against pain and infection? and the X-ray and Doctor talking was already a 13.000 Baht bill.

Than it was realized insurance covering had ended with the 65th birthday some month before.

Now a OP the same day was offered, for 140.000 Baht, that they could not afford.

So to UDON Public Hospital, there the 65 year old lay than 15 days with the broken leg in bed, without movement possibility,

with others in same circumstances, until she got her OP!

[sirchai]

Hope you'll be okay soon. Have been at the emergency at night. Up to ten victims. most motorbike accidents, but no doctor around.

A speedy recovery for you. Better to NOT see them from the inside.-

Thank you -sirchai-

Just 3 month ago, my GFs mother broke her leg badly, screws and OP necessary, the family, false thinking,mama had still a covering insurance, it was the first way to UDON THANI Private big AEK hospital, some medicin against pain and infection? and the X-ray and Doctor talking was already a 13.000 Baht bill.

Than it was realized insurance covering had ended with the 65th birthday some month before.

Now a OP the same day was offered, for 140.000 Baht, that they could not afford.

So to UDON Public Hospital, there the 65 year old lay than 15 days with the broken leg in bed, without movement possibility,

with others in same circumstances, until she got her OP!

Money rules, that's a fact. Can't even imagine to lay in bed for so long, as the bones would start to grow together in two or more weeks. Not talking about the pain, toilet in bed, loss of face, and other nonsense.

I remember a construction worker who'd fractured his skull. The fact that he didn't have a "special insurance", nor cash, led the doctors to an unbelievable decision. as he needed a piece of bone to get his skull closed.

They're using parts of a dog's skull, but some areas are not covered. So, there's still a part with no bone structure, just tissue and the guy is again working in construction business.

Would they do that to a teacher here? ( Honestly, many already act pretty much brainless) There're people and people and there are hospitals and hospitals.

A motorbike insurance only covers 12 K, if the operation is more expensive, people are fucedk, if they don't have some cash.-

[stevo2]

I would be careful Sirchai. You will end up giving yourself a hernia, which your local hospital will not be able to cure.

I know that you are not a native speaker of English, so I suggest you go back and read the posts before replying to them. If you do not then some of your posts will continue to make no sense.

If you have really seen people being "killed" in hospitals then you should report it. If there are unqualified doctors there then report it, as they will be actively committing fraud.

If not then I would remain quiet as you will be approching the borderline of defamation.

By the way, my comment about funerals was directly linked to the story. My point being that if all hospitals were really like you say then the death rate would be much higher.

Mr.T implemented the 30 bhat scheme. It was, therefore, him that negelcted to fund it. I made no mention of whose idea it was.

Your comment about money rules again seems directed at Thailand. Maybe you should read up on the healthcare system in, for example, USA.

[willyumiii]

"Okay, some words to the teachers and director and off I went to......."

Please....

Tell me he is not an English teacher!

Please!

[geriatrickid]

Strange that the people of Sissakhet still vote "red".

The hospitals have been suffering since the introduction of the 30 baht scheme. Good policy to get the poor to vote for you, but Mr T neglected to fund the scheme. The hospitals are at breaking point and there is nothing that they can do.

The horror story above does seem exceptional. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows that he has an ingrained hatred for Thai hospitals. I, for one, have never had a bad experience.

Don't forget that most of the private hospitals in Issan are staffed by moonlighting government doctors. The same ones the OP was slagging off, meaning that the diognosis, decisions and treatment are likely to be the same. The only difference will be the bill.

The stories about the best doctors being in Bangkok or Pattaya or where ever is deemed elitest, because that is where they studied, is also misleading. When medical students graduate they get sent to hospitals where they need Doctors. The last time I visisted a government hospital here in Issan my main two doctors were not from local provinces.

Take a look at the internet and search horror stories from hospitals in the UK or USA or mainland Europe. There are many, many stories and they ususally end in a death. This particular story did not.

Sorry, but one bad story does not make a bad hospital. If the service was really constantly that bad, there would be reports all over the place and there would be more westerners on here complaining about the funeral music going on for days and days in the villages.

I suppose it was only a matter of time before someone without any knowledge of the longstanding systemic deficiencies of medical care delivery showed up to blame Thaksin. Yes, the 30 baht program allowed greater accessibility of the poor to the health care system. Until then, they were denied access because of an obstacle called money. In the good old says that you miss, if one did not have money, a poor patient could not get into a hospital, unless the family sold assets or went into debt. The loansharks had a special hospital practice, back in the era you lament.. That's the historic reality. Thailand has attempted to introduce fee restraint along the lines that other public health care systems have done. The doctors and private hospitals have blocked it. The continued presence of a for profit system alongside a not for profit system sabotages a unified consistent delivery of health care in Thailand. It will not improve until the large profit taking businesses are controlled and are blocked from their predatory and often unethical practices. There is room for private health care, and even a two tier system in Thailand, but what we have now are the private delivery systems doing everything they can to sabotage and undermine the public health care system.

Edited February 12, 2014 by geriatrickid

[stevo2]

Strange that the people of Sissakhet still vote "red".

The hospitals have been suffering since the introduction of the 30 baht scheme. Good policy to get the poor to vote for you, but Mr T neglected to fund the scheme. The hospitals are at breaking point and there is nothing that they can do.

The horror story above does seem exceptional. A quick look at the OP's posting history shows that he has an ingrained hatred for Thai hospitals. I, for one, have never had a bad experience.

Don't forget that most of the private hospitals in Issan are staffed by moonlighting government doctors. The same ones the OP was slagging off, meaning that the diognosis, decisions and treatment are likely to be the same. The only difference will be the bill.

The stories about the best doctors being in Bangkok or Pattaya or where ever is deemed elitest, because that is where they studied, is also misleading. When medical students graduate they get sent to hospitals where they need Doctors. The last time I visisted a government hospital here in Issan my main two doctors were not from local provinces.

Take a look at the internet and search horror stories from hospitals in the UK or USA or mainland Europe. There are many, many stories and they ususally end in a death. This particular story did not.

Sorry, but one bad story does not make a bad hospital. If the service was really constantly that bad, there would be reports all over the place and there would be more westerners on here complaining about the funeral music going on for days and days in the villages.

I suppose it was only a matter of time before someone without any knowledge of the longstanding systemic deficiencies of medical care delivery showed up to blame Thaksin. Yes, the 30 baht program allowed greater accessibility of the poor to the health care system. Until then, they were denied access because of an obstacle called money. In the good old says that you miss, if one did not have money, a poor patient could not get into a hospital, unless the family sold assets or went into debt. The loansharks had a special hospital practice, back in the era you lament.. That's the historic reality. Thailand has attempted to introduce fee restraint along the lines that other public health care systems have done. The doctors and private hospitals have blocked it. The continued presence of a for profit system alongside a not for profit system sabotages a unified consistent delivery of health care in Thailand. It will not improve until the large profit taking businesses are controlled and are blocked from their predatory and often unethical practices. There is room for private health care, and even a two tier system in Thailand, but what we have now are the private delivery systems doing everything they can to sabotage and undermine the public health care system.

Oh dear. Only a matter of time before another one dimensional post.

I have made no mention of the health care service in the past. The OP was talking about the fact that hospitals are over crowded. I made a statement as to why.

Indeed, the health system has often been lacking and, in the past, beyond some of the poorer citizens of this country.

If, and only if, you took the time to read and digest my whole post woul would see the facts.

In order to get votes Mr T offered a scheme to allow the poor to receive medical help, a scheme that I have not faulted. The point that I faulted was the fact that he neglected to fund it. Another empty promise.

Thus, hospitals are over crowded, often with people that have minor complaints that, prior to the 30 baht scheme, they would never have worried about.

Doctors and nurses are over worked and wards are overcrowded and understaffed.

I have never lamented any era.

Unfortuately, the people who are persuaded to vote for the incumbant government are often the ones that suffer. Remember the 20 baht a kg rice scheme?

Edited February 12, 2014 by stevo2

[sirchai]

"Okay, some words to the teachers and director and off I went to......."

Please....

Tell me he is not an English teacher!

Please!

You must be one of Fred Flintstone's relatives. To answer your question. I do teach Germish, with an American accent. And you know what?

I'm pretty good in what I'm doing. I'm neither conceited, nor arrogant. Please tell me that you are not one of Fred's relatives? Please.-

Edited to add following: Could ya please go to the teaching forum and complain there?

Edited February 12, 2014 by sirchai

[sirchai]

I'd kindly like to ask a moderator to close this one, as it doesn't open those eyes I wanted to. Neither the hospitals/doctors are bad here, nor the educational system.

I just made that up, as I've got too much free time to kill and my hamster got really sick.

Cheers-

[SlyAnimal]

Thread closed as per request of OP