Anand Panyarachun named the most suitable neutral prime minister

[JAG]

If the election had been conducted as the constition requires, and not blocked, interfered with and frustrated by Suthep and his gangs, then that would have been a "broad selection" of the Thai people.

Am I alone in seeing the irony in denying the electorate their say in a general election, yet claiming that a poll of less than 2000 people is an accurate reflection of what the people want?

I'll answer myself, no, a very large number of the electorate, both amongst those who voted and those who were prevented from voting will find it ironical!

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[jayjayjayjay]

The result was that a clear majority or 60.30% of the respondents agreed with it, reasoning the present government has lost the legitimacy to run the country

​Look what happened last time the PTP didn't listen to the voice of the majority. The amnesty bill of which over 60% were against it created deep division and violent conflict in Thailand.

Well the majority have spoken again. I bet the PTP have not learnt their lesson.

They didn't take a hint when Thailand had the lowest voter turn out in history last election (if you can call it that) and I bet they don't take a hint now.

Funny how regime leaders always fight to the bitter end. yingluck even said it.

"majority have spoken again"? was there another election I missed? or some minor poll of the elites??? grow up <deleted>

PS 1,650 respondents decide fate of Thailand? your posts are so biased and uninformed it's quite embarrassing 27.82% of the respondents named Anand Panyarachun that's 73% did not choose him can you read?

I know the truth hurts, but it is time to accept the majority even if you don't like it.

Thai Thai's made it very clear through the ballot box (or lack there of) by showing that this election was the lowest voter turn out in Thai history. The lowest in over 70 years. It goes from over 70% to under 50% in less than 3 years. You might hear something now. It is called alarm bells. (UK has a consistent low voter turn out.No alarm bells) It is called trends. And I tell you my friend, this trend is alarming to say the least.

This poll is a broad section of the Thai population, not just the 30% that voted. This poll is the broad section. With me so far?

I will help you understand.

Democracy has a wide potential base of support but offers weak incentives to its defenders. Dictatorship provides stronger incentives to a narrower base. As education raises the benefits of civic participation, it raises the support for more democratic regimes relative to dictatorships.

If anything this polls highlight that the majority have spoken further when you compare the poll and the voter turn out they are in sync. If anything the poll is biased towards to PTP.

If I was PTP supporters I would be happy that 40% still think this govt is legitimate after the abysmal rice scheme corruption. After the minions cheered the terrorists in Trat. Thank your lucky stars for that 40%. If anything the poll is rigged towards the PTP.

The majority have spoken. Time to accept it.

Biased .Only when it does not suit your agenda...

PTP supporters don't give a hoot about corruption in the rice scheme, note that the actual level of corruption is not known by anyone. But corruption is endemic to Dems and PTP alike. PTP supporters are happy coz PTP said they would raise the minimum wage, they did, and against all criticism did it well. They implemented the Rice scheme, and PTP voters benefited by better net prices. The loosers were Chinese elite traders who regularily rip of the poor farmers. So these issues impacted the real incomes of this rural base. It is then not surprising they are happy(some not pait yet bla bla bla, yes we know). But some just dont get it from there point of view.

Abhisit had years to implement something. What did he do? That's why the army are staying so neutral, they know the oposition consists of a corrupt Theif parallel to Thaksin and a wishy washy Oxford grad with no idea how to run the country.

[mrtoad]

Red trolls have already appeared.

To be honest my own opinion is that he is probably too old, and it is a step back. The cupboard to be fair is bare when it comes to a suitable person to step in, and stabalise the mess that Thaksin / PTP have created. Surin is certainly a qualified and respected candidate, but is likely to be unpalatable to the reds, in fact anyone other than a Shin will not be acceptable to them. It's pretty clear to me that their will be an interim government, but what happens at that point, who knows?

So says a yellow troll.

Look, I can resort to petty name calling too. Grow up.

Well, done it must have taken you 15 minutes to think that one up.

[djjamie]

He founded NIDA ....he has worked for them forever...of course he's gonna be their dog in the race....do more research guys more than Wikipedia... though that is a good place to start.... but again knee jerk approval here in TV ... he has many skeletons as do most Thai Politicians... not gonna find a squeaky clean one in the whole lot... but... rubber stamping a rubber stamper...begs more due diligence on the part of TV readers and posters..and remember that someone or many before me have said already...this is a much bigger picture and a huge part of that picture is stuff we cannot discuss here... a lot of names in the Wikipedia source can be followed up...to a point...cheers all !

Who? I don't care about him.

60% said the PTP are an illegitimate government.

Time to accept that my friend.

I know 60% is a minority for you when they voted against an amnesty.

I know 43% is an overwhelming majority for you when it is PTP votes in 2011.

So whats your excuse this time for the 60%?

No excuses when the figures are on your side. Full of excuses when the figures are against you.

Can't really accept it can you that PTP are not the party they were 3 years ago.

Time to let go mate and move in.

[ggold]

Anand supported the 2006 military coup that abrogated the People's Constitution and overthrew the government of Thaksin Shinawatra. Anand had been a sharp critic of Thaksin for several years prior to the coup, and he blamed the coup on Thaksin. He also stated fears that the military junta would fail and that Thaksin could make a comeback. "When the [Chatichai] government disappeared from the scene [after the 1991 coup] there was no fear it could make a comeback. But over the past five years Thaksin and his party have become too powerful. They have consolidated their hold over the government machinery and certain sectors of the armed forces and parliament. So I think it's a more precarious situation." Anand claimed that the coup was well received by the people and that the military junta's ban against opposition or political activity would not last long. He also noted surprise at the international community's condemnation to the coup.

He is my Man.

who cares what YOU think?

are you Thai? no - so shut up and let Thais decide

Are you a troll?

This is an open forum, we are all allowed to make our opinions known. This isn't about having a vote in an election. If you don't like what you read then by all means make a comment but being rude is IMO being a Troll.

[mrtoad]

So on a serious note, can anyone suggest a credible neutral person to do the job?

[Thai at Heart]

Me too ... I'd vote for him.

But Thaksin won't like the idea. So he will tell all his Thakisn evangelists to vote "No". And of course they be ordered to start trashing Annand on this forum shortly as well.

Don't worry. They aren't going to trouble anyone so.much as to ask them to vote.....

[ShannonT]

Anand probably wouldn't be a bad choice, but the question is ..does he even want to be PM at the age of 81 in a country as divided and politically wrecked as Thailand is right now.

[djjamie]

So on a serious note, can anyone suggest a credible neutral person to do the job?

James Hird

[culicine]

Anand supported the 2006 military coup that abrogated the People's Constitution and overthrew the government of Thaksin Shinawatra. Anand had been a sharp critic of Thaksin for several years prior to the coup, and he blamed the coup on Thaksin. He also stated fears that the military junta would fail and that Thaksin could make a comeback. "When the [Chatichai] government disappeared from the scene [after the 1991 coup] there was no fear it could make a comeback. But over the past five years Thaksin and his party have become too powerful. They have consolidated their hold over the government machinery and certain sectors of the armed forces and parliament. So I think it's a more precarious situation." Anand claimed that the coup was well received by the people and that the military junta's ban against opposition or political activity would not last long. He also noted surprise at the international community's condemnation to the coup.

He is my Man.

he is way too old....he can help but as prime minister, when the reds try to derail everything and surely will lie outside Thailand without shame, they need someone younger.

I'd much rather take an old, experienced and wise PM over what we have now.....

[marstons]

Here's a novel idea why not hold an election and see who the majority of the electorate want as the leader of the country. I wonder how many people working out on the farms in Isaan were polled. If he is that suitable why not stand with a party or be appointed leader of the Democrats and win in a fair election.

[ShannonT]

Here's a novel idea why not hold an election and see who the majority of the electorate want as the leader of the country. I wonder how many people working out on the farms in Isaan were polled. If he is that suitable why not stand with a party or be appointed leader of the Democrats and win in a fair election.

An election?

Hm ...I wonder why nobody in Thailand ever thought of holding an election.

Could that be the magic solution to the problem?

[mrtoad]

Anand probably wouldn't be a bad choice, but the question is ..does he even want to be PM at the age of 81 in a country as divided and politically wrecked as Thailand is right now.

It's pretty sad reflection of the state of Thai politics that they are looking at an 81 year old. If he doesn't, who else?

[ShannonT]

Anand probably wouldn't be a bad choice, but the question is ..does he even want to be PM at the age of 81 in a country as divided and politically wrecked as Thailand is right now.

It's pretty sad reflection of the state of Thai politics that they are looking at an 81 year old. If he doesn't, who else?

The best option might be to remove all Thai politicians and put in place a UN government for the next 20 years.

[djjamie]

The result was that a clear majority or 60.30% of the respondents agreed with it, reasoning the present government has lost the legitimacy to run the country

​Look what happened last time the PTP didn't listen to the voice of the majority. The amnesty bill of which over 60% were against it created deep division and violent conflict in Thailand.

Well the majority have spoken again. I bet the PTP have not learnt their lesson.

They didn't take a hint when Thailand had the lowest voter turn out in history last election (if you can call it that) and I bet they don't take a hint now.

Funny how regime leaders always fight to the bitter end. yingluck even said it.

"majority have spoken again"? was there another election I missed? or some minor poll of the elites??? grow up <deleted>

PS 1,650 respondents decide fate of Thailand? your posts are so biased and uninformed it's quite embarrassing 27.82% of the respondents named Anand Panyarachun that's 73% did not choose him can you read?

I know the truth hurts, but it is time to accept the majority even if you don't like it.

Thai Thai's made it very clear through the ballot box (or lack there of) by showing that this election was the lowest voter turn out in Thai history. The lowest in over 70 years. It goes from over 70% to under 50% in less than 3 years. You might hear something now. It is called alarm bells. (UK has a consistent low voter turn out….No alarm bells)

This poll is a broad section of the Thai population, not just the 30% that voted. This poll is the broad section. With me so far?

I will help you understand.

Democracy has a wide potential base of support but offers weak incentives to its defenders. Dictatorship provides stronger incentives to a narrower base. As education raises the benefits of civic participation, it raises the support for more democratic regimes relative to dictatorships.

If anything this polls highlight that the majority have spoken further when you compare the poll and the voter turn out they are in sync. If anything the poll is biased towards to PTP.

If I was PTP supporters I would be happy that 40% still think this govt is legitimate after the abysmal rice scheme corruption. After the minions cheered the terrorists in Trat. Thank your lucky stars for that 40%. If anything the poll is rigged towards the PTP.

The majority have spoken. Time to accept it.

Biased ….Only when it does not suit your agenda...

The election was hurt by the thugs you hero worship - blocking polling stations and intimidating staff and voters (don't get that in the UK 'my friend')

don't hide anymore - we will respect you more - come out and just SAY "I am a fascist" gain some respect (but you ain't got the guts)

you are losing - i bet in your home country you would not support such dictatorship from your hero Suthep (I surmise you are quite 'young' being D J Jamie so I forgive your lack of common sense)

I have met only a handful if Thais who support him and i find the vast majority support Yingluck (as the polls show over 20 years)

You read the papers today about the welcome in Chaing Rai? wait until she heads for other provinces... BKK is not the center of the Thai world - you just think it is (youth is wasted on the young)

The veiled condescension in your posts is not really required yet goes against everything you are trying to convince me of. That in itself reflects an undercurrent of contempt that you have for me for not believing the same beliefs as you. Simply because I do not agree with what you agree with you demonize me as is shown in your post. Sopme might call that the crawling steps of dictatorial tendencies.

Ignorance and blind devotion has shown that facts are not your strong point when it was made extremely clear that the 47% voter turn out did not include the polling stations that were effected by the "all principle of democracy" supporters. Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda though.

You go back to, "I bet in your country"…This is not my country nor is it yours. You are comparing apples to oranges. It is an illogical argument because Thailand is not AUstralia and visa versa. When there are difficult political situations in Australia the political punters don't say "I bet in Thailand they…." Apples and oranges my friend.

I will leave the condescension alone regarding the DJ jibe. I assume that is you releasing some steam at your frustrations and demonizing me makes you feel better.

Handful of Thai's that support Suthep? So have I. Agree with you 100%. Though if we get back onto the train of thought instead of diverting the conversation I didn't suggest otherwise. I said 60% of the broad Thai population represented in this poll said the PTP caretaker govt is illegitimate. Please don't play your old jedi mind tricks on me and try to make me go down a path where you have me on the defensive.

I'm pleased she can get the support in Chaing Rai. Good for her. What has that got to do with the majority of Thai's thinking the PTP are illegitimate?

​Abhsist can go to the deep south and be welcomed as a hero, but I dare not bring that up here as it is diverting the conversation and rebuttal.

May I suggest that you demonize less and factualize more so we can continue with this healthy debate which I am really starting to enjoy.

Edited February 26, 2014 by djjamie

[Thai at Heart]

Here's a novel idea why not hold an election and see who the majority of the electorate want as the leader of the country. I wonder how many people working out on the farms in Isaan were polled. If he is that suitable why not stand with a party or be appointed leader of the Democrats and win in a fair election.

An election?

Hm ...I wonder why nobody in Thailand ever thought of holding an election.

Could that be the magic solution to the problem?

They just did. 2000 people....

But how to get the most "suitable" man for the job? What is the definition of "suitable" anyway?

These people have no idea how hypocrictical they are . We polled 2000 and this was the answer. Yay. That's enough of an election then. I sometimes wonder if the stats to report the IQ of this country are significantly doctored.

[slipperx]

Here's a novel idea why not hold an election and see who the majority of the electorate want as the leader of the country. I wonder how many people working out on the farms in Isaan were polled. If he is that suitable why not stand with a party or be appointed leader of the Democrats and win in a fair election.

Elections vote in MP's and not leaders

[Davidhere]

He founded NIDA ....he has worked for them forever...of course he's gonna be their dog in the race....do more research guys more than Wikipedia...

Could you point us in the direction that validates your "He founded NIDA" claim?

[Davidhere]

who cares what YOU think?

are you Thai? no - so shut up

[ponchi]

i think it cannot be annand because he not the democrat.

[MobileContent]

NIDA has a booth on Asoke with the Suthep thugs so a NIDA poll in National politics means nothing.

[Robby nz]

Sure lets have an election but first lets lay down some rules as to who can stand as an MP candidate.

I dint think anyone would want criminals or the corrupt running the country so for a start lets say that nobody who has been convicted of a criminal offence can stand.

Then lets say nobody who has been banned from politics at any time can stand.

Next anyone who is currently on bail or waiting for a criminal or corruption charge to be heard against them is suspended from running as a candidate.

Should they be found not guilty the suspension is lifted and they can then run, should the be found guilty the above applies.

The same rules would apply to cabinet positions.

That should weed out 99% of them.

Of course the 99% would fight such a move .

Another option :

Have an election then let those elected sit in their seats , argue, fight , throw shoes and chairs at each other and ignore them.

Appoint a cabinet of people who know what they are doing completely separate to the MP's.

Let them get stuck into sorting out the ministries under their control and force said ministries to produce proper budgets and accounts and preform for the good of the people and the country.

Appoint an independent audit team to go through all the Govt accounts for the past 5 years and produce reports specifically aimed at pinpointing corruption which would lead to conviction and asset seizure from those guilty.

Then for the next election apply the first idea.

Yes I know, lots of how questions but if you all have any better ideas why don't you write them down instead of slagging off and calling names.

[Local Drunk]

I have lived in Udon now for the last 4.5 years and love the people and the area

have done alot to the place to make it a place I love to live in

But the wife is now talking that it is time to sell the house and businesses and move to Hua Hin

She feels Taskin will never loose face and let his sister loose power

she has been told to set up a power base and rebel government in Chaing Mai

and the future for Thailand we see is fighting

Bangkok and Issan will become battle grounds for those trying to show how tough they are

I asked about Pattaya, she smiled and said no way husband ?????? ha ha

This is her opinion, but I can only say, she has been right every time she has made a prediction for all that is happening

Do as she says. She's Thai, she's the boss. Funny you never mentioned your wife before now.

She probably never told him to before.

I am near Hua Hin... if you want mini Bangkok than that's the place for ya... it is being overbuilt now...10 years ago was awesome..but recommend a weeks stay there at least to test the waters...Cheers!

Yeah... HH is a bit overrated these days.

[djjamie]

The result was that a clear majority or 60.30% of the respondents agreed with it, reasoning the present government has lost the legitimacy to run the country

​Look what happened last time the PTP didn't listen to the voice of the majority. The amnesty bill of which over 60% were against it created deep division and violent conflict in Thailand.

Well the majority have spoken again. I bet the PTP have not learnt their lesson.

They didn't take a hint when Thailand had the lowest voter turn out in history last election (if you can call it that) and I bet they don't take a hint now.

Funny how regime leaders always fight to the bitter end. yingluck even said it.

"majority have spoken again"? was there another election I missed? or some minor poll of the elites??? grow up <deleted>

PS 1,650 respondents decide fate of Thailand? your posts are so biased and uninformed it's quite embarrassing 27.82% of the respondents named Anand Panyarachun that's 73% did not choose him can you read?

I know the truth hurts, but it is time to accept the majority even if you don't like it.

Thai Thai's made it very clear through the ballot box (or lack there of) by showing that this election was the lowest voter turn out in Thai history. The lowest in over 70 years. It goes from over 70% to under 50% in less than 3 years. You might hear something now. It is called alarm bells. (UK has a consistent low voter turn out.No alarm bells) It is called trends. And I tell you my friend, this trend is alarming to say the least.

This poll is a broad section of the Thai population, not just the 30% that voted. This poll is the broad section. With me so far?

I will help you understand.

Democracy has a wide potential base of support but offers weak incentives to its defenders. Dictatorship provides stronger incentives to a narrower base. As education raises the benefits of civic participation, it raises the support for more democratic regimes relative to dictatorships.

If anything this polls highlight that the majority have spoken further when you compare the poll and the voter turn out they are in sync. If anything the poll is biased towards to PTP.

If I was PTP supporters I would be happy that 40% still think this govt is legitimate after the abysmal rice scheme corruption. After the minions cheered the terrorists in Trat. Thank your lucky stars for that 40%. If anything the poll is rigged towards the PTP.

The majority have spoken. Time to accept it.

Biased .Only when it does not suit your agenda...

PTP supporters don't give a hoot about corruption in the rice scheme, note that the actual level of corruption is not known by anyone. But corruption is endemic to Dems and PTP alike. PTP supporters are happy coz PTP said they would raise the minimum wage, they did, and against all criticism did it well. They implemented the Rice scheme, and PTP voters benefited by better net prices. The loosers were Chinese elite traders who regularily rip of the poor farmers. So these issues impacted the real incomes of this rural base. It is then not surprising they are happy(some not pait yet bla bla bla, yes we know). But some just dont get it from there point of view.

Abhisit had years to implement something. What did he do? That's why the army are staying so neutral, they know the oposition consists of a corrupt Theif parallel to Thaksin and a wishy washy Oxford grad with no idea how to run the country.

Ummmm, OK

Was this comment meant for me or someone else?

I was talking about the fact that a broad section of the voter base think the PTP is illegitimate.

Ahhhh, you cherry picked 3 words to divert the conversation into a different realm because of the uncomfortable truth that I presented to you.

Your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me my friend.

Edited February 26, 2014 by djjamie

[BlueNoseCodger]

In a democracy the person who wins an election is the leader. That is Yingluk she is the only person to have a legitimate claim.

Anything else is a coup. Anything else is not democracy.

[added: it is interest though that they accept that people need to be asked, i.e. they accept the principle of democracy, now if there was only some way we could ask everyone and the people could pick a leader by selecting their party, we could count these paper records, and determinng the winner by some carefully documented method. ]

Edited February 26, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[triffid]

Shouldn't Anand have been done for lese majeste after the wikileaks incident? Just askin'.

He might have been vulnerable of the remarks had ben made in public, but they were made to an american and leaked by an australian. That probably isn't within the purview thai law.

[Thai at Heart]

Shouldn't Anand have been done for lese majeste after the wikileaks incident? Just askin'.

He might have been vulnerable of the remarks had ben made in public, but they were made to an american and leaked by an australian. That probably isn't within the purview thai law.

Not so. Who you say it to, is completely irrelevant.

[BlueNoseCodger]

The result was that a clear majority or 60.30% of the respondents agreed with it, reasoning the present government has lost the legitimacy to run the country

​Look what happened last time the PTP didn't listen to the voice of the majority. The amnesty bill of which over 60% were against it created deep division and violent conflict in Thailand.

Well the majority have spoken again. I bet the PTP have not learnt their lesson.

They didn't take a hint when Thailand had the lowest voter turn out in history last election (if you can call it that) and I bet they don't take a hint now.

Funny how regime leaders always fight to the bitter end. yingluck even said it.

"majority have spoken again"? was there another election I missed? or some minor poll of the elites??? grow up <deleted>

PS 1,650 respondents decide fate of Thailand? your posts are so biased and uninformed it's quite embarrassing 27.82% of the respondents named Anand Panyarachun that's 73% did not choose him can you read?

I know the truth hurts, but it is time to accept the majority even if you don't like it.

Thai Thai's made it very clear through the ballot box (or lack there of) by showing that this election was the lowest voter turn out in Thai history. The lowest in over 70 years. It goes from over 70% to under 50% in less than 3 years. You might hear something now. It is called alarm bells. (UK has a consistent low voter turn out….No alarm bells) It is called trends. And I tell you my friend, this trend is alarming to say the least.

This poll is a broad section of the Thai population, not just the 30% that voted. This poll is the broad section. With me so far?

I will help you understand.

Democracy has a wide potential base of support but offers weak incentives to its defenders. Dictatorship provides stronger incentives to a narrower base. As education raises the benefits of civic participation, it raises the support for more democratic regimes relative to dictatorships.

If anything this polls highlight that the majority have spoken further when you compare the poll and the voter turn out they are in sync. If anything the poll is biased towards to PTP.

If I was PTP supporters I would be happy that 40% still think this govt is legitimate after the abysmal rice scheme corruption. After the minions cheered the terrorists in Trat. Thank your lucky stars for that 40%. If anything the poll is rigged towards the PTP.

The majority have spoken. Time to accept it.

Biased ….Only when it does not suit your agenda...

"This poll is a broad section of the Thai population, not just the 30% that voted. This poll is the broad section. With me so far?"

One man one vote, not one type of man one vote. To be correct for Thailand, 627 of those people should have been Issan farmers, and zero bankers.

Turnout was 47% (see table below) not 30%

"If anything this polls highlight that the majority have spoken further when you compare the poll and the voter turn out they are in sync."

No, it's a push poll, they offer a list of choices, the person asks a loaded question and offers the choices to get a response. It only highlights that, even with a NIDA push poll they can't get a leader with broad support.

Anad was appointed in 1992 by a coup, he's never been elected against an opponent.

Pheu Thai won, more to the point the Vote No was only 16.69%, which is where you'd find the Democrat vote. Democrats lost.

As to the low turnout, perhaps you shouldn't have threatened and blocked people!

Estmimates from Asia Correspondant

[Added: Anand got 460 'votes' according to NIDA in this polls, thats 0.00115% of the voters. Why don't we ask the rest?]

Edited February 26, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Bkkbound]

I agree… He would be Good for the country.. And Neutral As much as anybody could be…. Just trying to fill the rest of the government and post with Neutral Persons may be difficult.

The Thai civil service is more than capable of maintaining a functional government, they have some excellent technocrats who can hold ministries together, they certainly could not make the country worse nor make overtly politically risky decisions.

Stability is the key for the country for at least a couple of years..

[Bkkbound]

I agree… He would be Good for the country.. And Neutral As much as anybody could be…. Just trying to fill the rest of the government and post with Neutral Persons may be difficult.

The Thai civil service is more than capable of maintaining a functional government, they have some excellent technocrats who can hold ministries together, they certainly could not make the country worse nor make overtly politically risky decisions.

Stability is the key for the country for at least a couple of years..