Military calls for legal action over sedition; Chalerm insists there's no evidence

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Call for partition adds fuel to fire
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Military calls for legal action over sedition; Chalerm insists there's no evidence

BANGKOK: -- THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government.

The People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) yesterday threatened to take further action by gathering signatures and filing sedition charges against red-allied groups with police.

Core PDRC leader Satit Wongnongtaey said he did not expect the Department of Special Investigation, which he claimed sides with anybody in power, to take any action.

Members of the Students and People's Network for Thailand's Reform (STR) marched to Pheu Thai Party's headquarters yesterday to rally against government supporters and red-shirt groups who have been calling for the country to be split up.

After failing to remove the metal letters spelling the party's name from the front wall, they settled for hanging banners carrying messages attacking those seeking to partition the country.

Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, who is overseeing the government's Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order, said he did not back partitioning the country and that police officers who had accepted complaints from military prosecutors had found no evidence of any attempts being made to split the country.

He also pointed out that political instability would never end if independent agencies such as the Constitutional Court and National Anti-Corruption Commission came up with rulings that please PDRC chief Suthep Thaugsuban, but went against the feelings of the Thai majority. He said anybody who wanted to dislodge Yingluck Shinawatra's government using such rulings wanted to see the country in disarray.

Deputy Army spokesman Col Winthai Suvaree repeated the Army's stance on treating all political sides fairly, saying that complaints were not filed against pro-Pheu Thai red shirts in particular, but against anybody who was found engaged in seditious activities. He said the Army was not backing the PDRC, which he said has already been charged for several offences by the CMPO that also has authority over Army units in Bangkok.

Acronym 'being misused'

Meanwhile, Kasem Penhinan, a Chulalongkorn University lecturer, reiterated that the Sor Por Por Lanna acronym used by the red shirts was actually derived from Assembly for the Defence of Democracy (AFDD) - a political forum comprising red shirts and people against PDRC. He insisted that the acronym did not stand for the People's Democratic Republic of Lanna.

The AFDD was formed loosely after a press conference held in December to discuss the PDRC movement and the massive support it was getting. Later an AFDD Facebook page was created, which won some 50,000 likes in a few hours and now has more than a million likes, he said.

Sor Por Por, he said, comprises people who back democracy, regardless of their political colours. He also dismissed rumours that splitting up the country was an AFDD cause, saying that the banners calling for partitioning the country and the Sor Por Por Lanna had been put up by members, not the AFDD leaders who never wanted to create a Lanna state.

Kasem said the call for secession came from some people who feel society is ignoring them, rather than a serious attempt to partition the country. He said the military had the right attitude toward the political instability, but had failed to check out information about the AFDD's stance before talking about taking legal action.


-- The Nation 2014-03-06

[terryp]

the banner in the photo is evidence ..what a tool

[Robby nz]

He also pointed out that political instability would never end if independent agencies such as the Constitutional Court and National Anti-Corruption Commission came up with rulings that please PDRC chief Suthep Thaugsuban, but went against the feelings of the Thai majority. He said anybody who wanted to dislodge Yingluck Shinawatra's government using such rulings wanted to see the country in disarray.

Isnt that wonderful, as long any of the checks and balance organisations give any rulings that are against Yingluck then the country is in disarray.

Regardless of the law they should always find in favor of Yingluck and, or, the majority of the people.

In other words the law should be disregarded and any rulings should only be made to please most people.

As far as the Thai majority goes it would appear from leaked reports of the Feb 2 election that the majority don't want Yingluck.

[Smiles]

Charlem as usual is speaking without any substance. He is better off keeping his mouth shut.

No evidence? Let the general public provide him with those banners and clips of the red shirts in the north marching.

[RogueExpat]

Ah Chalem. The grandmaster of "no evidence".

Lots of experience, much of it quite personal, with evidence "disappearing", "recanting" or "failing to show up".

Here we go again. Attaboy!!!

[ChrisY1]

Charlem as usual is speaking without any substance. He is better off keeping his mouth shut.

No evidence? Let the general public provide him with those banners and clips of the red shirts in the north marching.

I think he has had some "substance"......as usual...garbled crap!

[dcutman]

Chalerm why dont you tell everybody where all these banners of secession really came from? The PDRC/STR put them up to make the red shirts look bad, right?

[Mosha]

If Spitting Image did Thailand. Chalerm would replace Richard Nixon.

[Greer]

Presumably they have the recordings of speeches etc during rallies that called for that - what about the reports in the press and general media, quoting various people?

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

Maybe he should add eye drops to his list of medications as well?

[Fryslan boppe]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

Edited March 6, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[mrtoad]

Chalerm is back, doing what he does best. Rambling, ranting, complaining, denying , lying and spreading mistruths, to cover up his Masters real intentions.

[JRSoul]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

[Davidhere]

Meanwhile, Kasem Penhinan, a Chulalongkorn University lecturer, reiterated that the Sor Por Por Lanna acronym used by the red shirts was actually derived from Assembly for the Defence of Democracy (AFDD) - a political forum comprising red shirts and people against PDRC. He insisted that the acronym did not stand for the People's Democratic Republic of Lanna.

It'd be nice to hear what an impartial Thai language or linguistics professor at Chula has to say about the translation rather than a philosophy professor with a long history of red shirt apologism.

.

Edited March 6, 2014 by Davidhere

[thesetat2013]

What chalerm means by no evidence is their is no evidence that is acceptable or acknowledged by the Red PTP. They are above the law here.

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[northernjohn]

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"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

sigh another lost soul with a computer.

It is OK not to know any thing. You can use the computer to find out things. But to fabricate things and hope some poor soukl will confirm it is a waster of time.

[Melyn]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

So in your mind "get rid of the Thaksin regime" is the same as "let's partition the country and make a massive army"?

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[kikoman]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

[Melyn]

Chalerm should be charged, along with others, over his continual accusations of the NACC and EC

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[Tatsujin]

Chalerm why dont you tell everybody where all these banners of secession really came from? The PDRC/STR put them up to make the red shirts look bad, right?

Ssshhhhh . . . you're spilling the beans too early . . . the excuse that the PDRC/STR put up the banners, printed the wristbands, made the red shirt supporters wear them, put "doubles" up on stage etc is supposed to be leaked next week!

[Melyn]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

The army has lost many if its soldiers to the secessionists in the south.

Maybe its too much for you to understand that they don't want more secessionists in the north with an army of 800,000.

The government dissolved Thai democracy with their cheating and lying in parliament.

Clearly calking early elections was not the only way and neither was it successful.

The PDRC did not rape Bangkok and neither was it the army's role to break up the protests. That was the function of the CMPO and the police

Nought out of ten

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[Tatsujin]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

I seriously question your intelligence sometimes (actually most of the time) based on your posts.

The Govt dissolved Parliament when they did to (in their eyes) ensure they were reelected and back in control so that (amongst other things) they could ensure the amnesty bill was pushed through before it's 180 days ran out and to (hopefully) be able to hide the massive corruption and losses within the rice scam. That was their choice, the ramification of this are their's and their's alone, no one forced them to dissolve Parliament when they did.

Equal treatment for all starts and ends with those currently in power and they should have been the ones setting the example. You continually claim bias against any organisation or people that don't support or agree with the PT mandate, yet the same bias claim could be made against the Police and the DSI, both of whom are firmly in the pockets of PT/Thaksin.

It wasn't the army's job to "control" the protests initially, it was the Police, and they failed (again) spectacularly. The Army have got more "involved" recently due to the complete lack of effort or effect that the Police have so far shown.

[BirdsandBooze]

There are lots of people from countries within the UK who want independence from Westminster. These days they aren't threatened with the law for expressing their opinion. There comes a time when the knees have to stop jerking in favour of calm discussion.

[kikoman]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

The army has lost many if its soldiers to the secessionists in the south.

Maybe its too much for you to understand that they don't want more secessionists in the north with an army of 800,000.

The government dissolved Thai democracy with their cheating and lying in parliament.

Clearly calking early elections was not the only way and neither was it successful.

The PDRC did not rape Bangkok and neither was it the army's role to break up the protests. That was the function of the CMPO and the police

Nought out of ten

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Some people can not understand the truth as it is in reality, maybe a little yellow handbook would be a more appropriate way to attempt to re write the political history of Thailand!

Most people will stick to reality as it unfolds daily on TV and foreign new media video clips!

Cheers

[expat888]

Isn't it time for Thailand to split itself up?

Create a North, South (Central), and give the South to Malaysia.

Thailand can't govern itself and it will forever be at war with itself.

[kikoman]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

I seriously question your intelligence sometimes (actually most of the time) based on your posts.

The Govt dissolved Parliament when they did to (in their eyes) ensure they were reelected and back in control so that (amongst other things) they could ensure the amnesty bill was pushed through before it's 180 days ran out and to (hopefully) be able to hide the massive corruption and losses within the rice scam. That was their choice, the ramification of this are their's and their's alone, no one forced them to dissolve Parliament when they did.

Equal treatment for all starts and ends with those currently in power and they should have been the ones setting the example. You continually claim bias against any organisation or people that don't support or agree with the PT mandate, yet the same bias claim could be made against the Police and the DSI, both of whom are firmly in the pockets of PT/Thaksin.

It wasn't the army's job to "control" the protests initially, it was the Police, and they failed (again) spectacularly. The Army have got more "involved" recently due to the complete lack of effort or effect that the Police have so far shown.

We do have something in common, "I always question your"!

As only a yellow supporter always see events in a different light so inform me of the evidence you assumed I have not considered!

Please state what "documented facts" the army cited as legal evidence that will stand up to the scrutiny of the legal process, prior to the act of filing charges!

Cheers

Edited March 6, 2014 by kikoman

[Thait Spot]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

The army has lost many if its soldiers to the secessionists in the south.

Maybe its too much for you to understand that they don't want more secessionists in the north with an army of 800,000.

The government dissolved Thai democracy with their cheating and lying in parliament.

Clearly calking early elections was not the only way and neither was it successful.

The PDRC did not rape Bangkok and neither was it the army's role to break up the protests. That was the function of the CMPO and the police

Nought out of ten

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Some people can not understand the truth as it is in reality, maybe a little yellow handbook would be a more appropriate way to attempt to re write the political history of Thailand!

Most people will stick to reality as it unfolds daily on TV and foreign new media video clips!

Cheers

So then explain the facts as you see them because in my opinion you're away with the red fairies

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[GeorgeO]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

Once again, you apologists can try to spin this as much as you like, but the thread is about a demand for military action against sedition, and Chalerm arguing that there is no evidence of any such sedition.

As I have stated elsewhere, the announcements in favour of sedition/secession were made loud and clear by Red Shirt leaders and PTP Ministers alike, on stage, in the press and through various radio channels, as well as being clearly stated, in writing, on huge banners. If that doesn't constitute evidence, then what does?

We have witnessed the "Reds Can Do No Wrong" stance that you guys have adopted over the past year and more seriously wearing down over recent weeks and months, and indeed, it is now so full of holes that all you guys can do is bring out that old chestnut "democratically-elected" government. Well, you have to start considering the fact that being elected into office is only a tiny part of the whole process, it's what you do when in office that determines whether you are truly democratic.

It is clearly insufficient for you apologists to try to move the goalposts every time a subject arises which is not to your liking. As already pointed out, this thread is about sedition/secession charges and Chalerm's ridiculous claim that there is no evidence of such activities going on in the North.

If you and your ilk feel that you have some constructive contribution to make to the thread, then by all means speak up, but if you want the thread to be about an issue that you feel more comfortable with, then you should move on to a different thread where your contribution may be felt to have some modicum of relevance...!!

[Tatsujin]

"THE CALL for secession by pro-government groups and red shirts in the north has become a new subject of a dispute, with legal action being sought for the seditious act by the military and the anti-government movement using it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government"

Permit me to say this about that.

This thing reeks of double standards and coup-monger support by the military. Are they saying all that stuff that has been spewed from the Coup-monger stage by you know who, is all sacrosanct? There was NOTHING there with which to pillorize these people about attacks on the current form of Govt. and Democracy?...But somehow that is OK?

And why this mis-characterization about "pro-Govt. groups" when talking about "Pro-Democracy" entities?

And what about this mis-characterization of the coup-mongers as being "anti-Govt.".....They would be on the streets even if the PTP and Ms. Y. were the most effective Govt. and Prime Minister in the history of the world..... Simply because they are not in power.

This is clearly demonstrated in the final words of this quote, using fabricated issues as cover for "it to strengthen its attacks against the caretaker government", or more aptly characterized, as attacks against an elected Govt..

The "elected government" dissolved parliament. There are no elected MPs at the moment, only appointed (shudder; how undemocratic can you get!) ministers in caretaker mode. And even their position is moot.

There is nothing apt about your reference to an elected government, it is a figment of your imagination.

The Elected government dissolved parliament, not Thai Democracy and called for a new election as the only way to settle a dispute in the government!

It is definitely a double standard by the Army aided by the ammart owned new media, that can quickly focus on the slightest issue and make it into a national issue, The army best keep its restraints as they can provoke that they say they oppose.

Equal treatment under the law is a requirement for any society and the army attempted prosecution of a entire section of the country based on its misunderstanding what the initials of a group stand for.

While they stood idly by and let the PDRC rape Bangkok for 3-4 months and now want to take legal action against redshirts for their misunderstanding!

Cheers

I seriously question your intelligence sometimes (actually most of the time) based on your posts.

The Govt dissolved Parliament when they did to (in their eyes) ensure they were reelected and back in control so that (amongst other things) they could ensure the amnesty bill was pushed through before it's 180 days ran out and to (hopefully) be able to hide the massive corruption and losses within the rice scam. That was their choice, the ramification of this are their's and their's alone, no one forced them to dissolve Parliament when they did.

Equal treatment for all starts and ends with those currently in power and they should have been the ones setting the example. You continually claim bias against any organisation or people that don't support or agree with the PT mandate, yet the same bias claim could be made against the Police and the DSI, both of whom are firmly in the pockets of PT/Thaksin.

It wasn't the army's job to "control" the protests initially, it was the Police, and they failed (again) spectacularly. The Army have got more "involved" recently due to the complete lack of effort or effect that the Police have so far shown.

We do have something in common, "I always question your"!

As only a yellow supporter always see events in a different light so inform me of the evidence you assumed I have not considered!

Please state what "documented facts" the army cited as legal evidence that will stand up to the scrutiny of the legal process, prior to the act of filing charges!

Cheers

Ask the Army if you want "documented facts" ... and whilst you are at it, you could perhaps also ask PT, the Police and the DSI for the "facts" too on all the cases they have in hand currently.

Why is it always the "red" side that scream for "facts" and "proof", but ONLY when they are on the losing side of a disagreement?

[Rob8891]

There are lots of people from countries within the UK who want independence from Westminster. These days they aren't threatened with the law for expressing their opinion. There comes a time when the knees have to stop jerking in favour of calm discussion.

Absolutely irrelevant. In case it's all a bit much for you, let me explain. This thread is about Thailand's predicament.