coma Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Two objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been identified, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days The experts seem to think, taking into consideration currents and winds, that it is in the right area. Size of the biggest object it 24 meters. There are a few other smaller objects. RAAF Orion is on station now searching for it. Should know one way or another, sooner rather than latter hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Two objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been identified, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days The experts seem to think, taking into consideration currents and winds, that it is in the right area. Size of the biggest object it 24 meters. There are a few other smaller objects. RAAF Orion is on station now searching for it. Should know one way or another, sooner rather than latter hopefully. Apparently the weather is not helping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Two objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been identified, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days Floated that far from where exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) The Orion P 3C (Lockheed) can see down through clouds and in the dark with almost camera quality images using SAR radar. Australia has that. Edited March 20, 2014 by NeverSure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Two objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been identified, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days Floated that far from where exactly? Even if you took the starting point as being just the north coast of Australia? And that is a generous starting point because no one has ever talked about the plane possibly being so far south of Malaysia? The debris from Japan tsunami is taking years to float across the Pacific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canman Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) There are many items in an aircraft which can float. Closer inspection of the region (where the 2 objects were sighted) will likely reveal a bunch more items, if it is where the aircraft went down - which now looks likely. There are only a few countries which have submersibles (manned and un-manned) which are capable of going down in such deep water. Remember when the Russian sub Kirsk went down near the Arctic Circle, off Russian coast? The Russkies, with their mighty naval base nearby, couldn't even get a submersible to the site. It was up to Scandinavians to do it. It was actually the British and Norwegians. Divers were deployed to open the rescue hatch but it was far too late. Edited March 20, 2014 by canman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 We're not in the Pacific are we, and you don't know where or when the plane went down, nor do you know what currents and weather have been at work. Nice one Sherlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canman Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Two objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been identified, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days Floated that far from where exactly? Even if you took the starting point as being just the north coast of Australia? And that is a generous starting point because no one has ever talked about the plane possibly being so far south of Malaysia? The debris from Japan tsunami is taking years to float across the Pacific Assuming a generous constant 2 knot current sustained in one direction the debris could not have drifted more than 1000Km. In reality that would not happen. The search box is interesting and indicates that there is some reason to believe the plane went down in that area. We are not being told everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Two objects possibly related to the search for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been identified, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days The experts seem to think, taking into consideration currents and winds, that it is in the right area. Size of the biggest object it 24 meters. There are a few other smaller objects. RAAF Orion is on station now searching for it. Should know one way or another, sooner rather than latter hopefully. Apparently the weather is not helping The weather is "fair" but visibility is poor apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share Posted March 20, 2014 Malaysia says need to 'verify' possible Australia MH370 findKUALA LUMPUR - Malaysia said on Thursday that two objects spotted in the Indian Ocean gave reason for hope of a resolution to its missing plane crisis, but stressed the need to verify the claim."We have been very consistent. We want to verify, we want to corroborate," Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein told reporters at Kuala Lumpur International Airport, where he is overseeing an international search effort.AFP-- The Nation 2014-03-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Even if you took the starting point as being just the north coast of Australia? And that is a generous starting point because no one has ever talked about the plane possibly being so far south of Malaysia?The debris from Japan tsunami is taking years to float across the Pacific Yesterday or the day before it was announced they believed the aircraft based on the pings received by satellites had flown for hours along those north or south satellite arcs. That was why the search effort concentrated on the furtherest areas of the arcs, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) In the Indian Ocean south west of Perth? I would bet any money you like those objects are not related. they could never have floated that far even over 12 days They wouldn't have floated. They would have flown. The plane flew for 7 hours after the aircraft transponder was shut off. There were two possible locations based on data the aircraft sent to a satellite, in the South Indian Ocean, or north in to China. This location matches the southern theory. Edited March 20, 2014 by DP25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share Posted March 20, 2014 Malaysia says need to 'verify' possible Australia MH370 findAgence France-PresseKUALA LUMPURA handout picture made available by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) on Thursday shows a map of the search area for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 currently conducted by AMSA.//EPA/AMSAKUALA LUMPUR: -- Malaysia said on Thursday that two objects spotted in the Indian Ocean gave reason for hope of a resolution to its missing plane crisis, but stressed the need to verify the claim."Every lead is a hope," Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein told reporters at Kuala Lumpur International Airport, where he is overseeing an international search effort."We have been very consistent. We want to verify, we want to corroborate," he said.Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott told parliament that "new and credible information" based on satellite imagery had come to light, and that four long-range surveillance planes were being diverted to look into the find in the southern Indian Ocean.Hishammuddin said Abbott had called his Malaysian counterpart Najib Razak to discuss the latest development."This time I just hope that it is a positive development," Hishammuddin said.The search has been dogged by previous false leads, including Chinese satellite images of suspected debris published earlier which turned out to be a red herring.Hishammuddin warned it may take some time before the Australian find could be verified."Aircraft and vessels are going there, you know how huge the area is," he said.-- The Nation 2014-03-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) on Thursday revealed the imagery had been captured by its rescue co-ordination centre. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/15/34/objects-possibly-linked-to-mh370-amsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseFrank Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hishammuddin warned it may take some time before the Australian find could be verified. This line sounds so worrisome to me . If the satellite has located the debris, than the location is known and this should a priority, so not take a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hishammuddin warned it may take some time before the Australian find could be verified. This line sounds so worrisome to me . If the satellite has located the debris, than the location is known and this should a priority, so not take a long time. Mr Young explains in his press conference how it could take some time. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hishammuddin warned it may take some time before the Australian find could be verified. This line sounds so worrisome to me . If the satellite has located the debris, than the location is known and this should a priority, so not take a long time. They are repurposing satellites, sending aircraft and ships. It's not going to happen in five minutes, is it? Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hishammuddin warned it may take some time before the Australian find could be verified. This line sounds so worrisome to me . If the satellite has located the debris, than the location is known and this should a priority, so not take a long time. You have no concept of the task at hand. This is not the Gulf of Thailand. It is the southern Indian ocean. 2500 km from mainland Australia. Four hours flight time for an Orion. Of which can only stay on station for 2 hours before it needs to make the 4 hour journey back to Australia. There are 4 aircraft being used but on a rotation basis, so as to have 1 aircraft on station at all times. Not 4 aircraft searching at the same time. Patience is key here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayjayjay Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 We're not in the Pacific are we, and you don't know where or when the plane went down, nor do you know what currents and weather have been at work. Nice one Sherlock. Watson the debris they spotted is still a very long way from the southernmost point of the southern ark of the search area. you will find there was nothing to get excited about, just because they saw something floating in The Indian Ocean garbage patch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Garbage_Patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayjayjay Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 My above post clearly shows the seriousness and logic the Australian, New Zealand Defense and rescue forces are applying to the identification, tracking models, rescue(if ever possible) to the "possible" discovery of wreckage of flight MH370. Read it, process is in order, but haste is obviously a priority as Australian's value human lives as a core value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK1 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Hishammuddin warned it may take some time before the Australian find could be verified. This line sounds so worrisome to me . If the satellite has located the debris, than the location is known and this should a priority, so not take a long time. You have no concept of the task at hand. This is not the Gulf of Thailand. It is the southern Indian ocean. 2500 km from mainland Australia. Four hours flight time for an Orion. Of which can only stay on station for 2 hours before it needs to make the 4 hour journey back to Australia. There are 4 aircraft being used but on a rotation basis, so as to have 1 aircraft on station at all times. Not 4 aircraft searching at the same time. Patience is key here. Also looks like the search area is close to the 40 degree south parallel, where the froth on your cappuccino usually gets blown away with the wind, so visibility will be difficult for plane spotters unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I missed the news...... did the aussies shoot it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatdrunkandstupid Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I am praying they find some survivors. Amidst all of this government mismanagment, wouldn't it be a frank miracle to find someone alive. Lets focus the discussion of this thread on that possibility for a moment. For those amongst you with knowledge of the safety equipment...rafts etc on board a similar plane, and the provisions therein. Is there any chance whatsoever that someone is out there somewhere, still patiently waiting for the circus to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKBrit Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 The plane radars are saying they have found something 'significant' just under the water... http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/20/Missing-MH370-radar-hits-of-significant-size-recorded/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy77 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 If you blow up that imagery it looks so much like what the Chinese found about a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 British news reporting 2 large objects in the water south west of australia in the ocean. They are sending planes and boats to check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noddy77 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 British news reporting 2 large objects in the water south west of australia in the ocean. They are sending planes and boats to check Why don't you read the previous posts before posting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 I missed the news...... did the aussies shoot it down? Are you serious ? Why would Australia want to shoot down a passenger jet that far away from any sovereign land ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Of course he's not serious, he's being facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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