Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[speedtripler]

I think the theory about North Korean rockets hitting the plane is way off. The rockets they tested had quite short range, they could hit South Korea, but no way near the area where the plane flew. Of course the US and Japan would know if any long range rocket was launched.

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they have rockets that are capable of hitting things 96 miles in any direction ,its possible they shot it down but i think unlikley

as the comeback would blow them back to the stone age

No, it's NOT possible. Take a look at a map, draw a 96 miles line from any coastline in North Korea and see how far away you are.

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your assuming it was flying on the original course ,which may not be the case in a disaster situation

[phuketandsee]

I'm sitting in the transfer lounge at Seoul airport on my way from JFK to BKK. No sign of any increased security and they didn't look to check the picture with the face - either at check-in or boarding. The check-in desk didn't seem to check any database either and I was watching closely.

[MrWorldwide]

As much as we all want to be optimistic about the outcome, is there anyone on this board who realistically thinks that the authorities are still conducting a search and rescue, and not a search and recovery?

That pretty much sums up the way I felt when I turned on the Oz news on Sunday morning and they still hadnt found any sign of the aircraft. We aren't talking the middle of the Pacific here - the (now discounted) 'turnaround' theory aside, the plane went down at the bottom of the Gulf of Thailand. Reportedly fine weather plus Vietnamese, Malaysian and Thai fishermen, commercial ships, air traffic galore and a heavily populated coastline : my reasoning was that yellow liferafts - or even lifejackets - would be easily visible from miles away. Throw in the lack of any communication from passengers or crew and it seems a fait accompli for mine.

How could anybody on board have the time to put on a life jacket, when the pilots couldn't even make a Mayday call?

No argument from me, hence my belief from Saturday onward that we are dealing with a recovery, not a rescue mission - I was merely saying that IF someone had miraculously survived the (presumed) crash into the ocean, and found their way into a liferaft or lifejacket, that would be visible against a blue-gray sea (obviously they were designed that way). One of the problems is that the international media is leaping on any piece of information they can in an attempt to report something new - last night's Oz news claimed that there was a report from the Vietnamese Navy that one of their planes had spotted a yellow object which 'may be a liferaft'. If anything has stood out for me over the last 3 days, its this : the waters off the coast of VN are full of debris and feature at least two very large oil slicks. Between that and the abysmal treatment of grieving relatives - particularly at Beijing Airport - by the media pack, this is a spectacle that desperately needs a conclusion.

[noddy77]

The cabin doors are terrorist proof. You need an axe to get though them once locked.

Even if there were terrorists on board threatening flight crew the Captain still would have squaked 7500 on the transponder alerting the world of a highjack.

It either blew to bits mid air or someone in the cockpit was involved.

[MrWorldwide]

A theory

Suppose:

1. Hijackers entered the cockpit.

2. A fight ensued

3. The plane was accidentally set to ascend at an angle of, say, 30-40 degrees.

4. An accident occurred. Maybe a gun was fired. A window got broken. The plane was depressurized.

5. Everyone on board died due to a lack of oxygen.

6. The plane then continued to ascend.

What would happen? Could the plane just go higher and higher? Could it continue flying upwards by itself even though all crew and passengers were dead?

Please excuse my obvious lack of knowledge with regards to these issues.

They had roughly 7 1/2 hours worth of fuel when the plane left KLIA in the early hours of Saturday morning. Regardless of what actually happened in the air - assuming you aren't suggesting the plane breached the ozone layer and is now orbiting the moon - I believe the plane is either in the ocean or on the side of a mountain somewhere. Hopefully we'll find out today.

[baneko]

The electric car story is daft. All over the news a plane dissapears rather than paying them off. Hostage and flying below radar daft again. Its a 777 not a Mig fighter.

The plane disinegated in mid air due to a tail scraper poorly repaired or to a failure in maintenane. Many people have said MA are cutting costs due to AA.

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Uuuuuhuhhhhh,

And the wreckage vaporised I suppose?

As said before in previous comments depending on what happened they could be looking in the wrong place.

Uuuuuhuhhhhh? What does that mean?

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[NeverSure]

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

Edited March 10, 2014 by NeverSure

[neverdie]

A theory

Suppose:

1. Hijackers entered the cockpit.

2. A fight ensued

3. The plane was accidentally set to ascend at an angle of, say, 30-40 degrees.

4. An accident occurred. Maybe a gun was fired. A window got broken. The plane was depressurized.

5. Everyone on board died due to a lack of oxygen.

6. The plane then continued to ascend.

What would happen? Could the plane just go higher and higher? Could it continue flying upwards by itself even though all crew and passengers were dead?

Please excuse my obvious lack of knowledge with regards to these issues.

It would stall once the air got too thin for the engines to function.

Not trying to be difficult or anything, but if the climb angle was 30 to 40 degrees at power level settings for cruise the plane would stall rather quickly, speed decay would be significant, especially starting at FL 35k and that would have nothing to do with the engines cutting out.

Keeping in my a lot of people think the description of a plane stalling relates to the engines cutting out, like in their car and nothing could be further from the truth.

anyway, virtually everything is still possible at this stage and will be for considerable time after the wreckage or whatever is located.

[noddy77]

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

The plane dissapeared from outside radar coverage. If the same thing happened as Payne Stewarts plane they would have flown through radar space somewhere north. These 777's are on auto pilot once airborne. Very different situation in my opinion.

[NeverSure]

A theory

Suppose:

1. Hijackers entered the cockpit.

2. A fight ensued

3. The plane was accidentally set to ascend at an angle of, say, 30-40 degrees.

4. An accident occurred. Maybe a gun was fired. A window got broken. The plane was depressurized.

5. Everyone on board died due to a lack of oxygen.

6. The plane then continued to ascend.

What would happen? Could the plane just go higher and higher? Could it continue flying upwards by itself even though all crew and passengers were dead?

Please excuse my obvious lack of knowledge with regards to these issues.

If the angle of climb (angle of attack into the air) was too steep, the plane would slow until the wings stalled (lacked enough airspeed to hold the plane up) and it would head for the ground or water, probably in a spin.

If the angle of climb was shallow enough that the plane could maintain enough speed for the wings to maintain lift, it would climb until the air got too thin and again the wings would lose sufficient lift (stall out) and the plane would suddenly drop and again probable enter a spin all the way down.

[NeverSure]

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

The plane dissapeared from outside radar coverage. If the same thing happened as Payne Stewarts plane they would have flown through radar space somewhere north. These 777's are on auto pilot once airborne. Very different situation in my opinion.

I don't understand. Radar doesn't have that much range. Stewart's incident happened between Orlando Florida and Dallas Texas. All over US soil and yet they lost radar contact with it. It was on autopilot and kept flying until it ran out of fuel.

They lost radar contact with the 777 probably over the ocean.

I'm not making a speculation, just introducing another way it could have happened.

If something mechanical happened, or if there was some kind of foul play against the pilots, that plane could have kept flying for about 4,000 miles.

When reporters speak of radar, they might be talking about what air traffic control really is watching which is the transponder information on a screen. If there was foul play, someone could have known to turn the transponder off.

Unless some wreckage is spotted in the search area, I'll begin to wonder if the plane is thousands of miles from where they are looking. The direction it was heading, it could be down in the center of Siberia.

[speedtripler]

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

The plane dissapeared from outside radar coverage. If the same thing happened as Payne Stewarts plane they would have flown through radar space somewhere north. These 777's are on auto pilot once airborne. Very different situation in my opinion.

I don't understand. Radar doesn't have that much range. Stewart's incident happened between Orlando Florida and Dallas Texas. All over US soil and yet they lost radar contact with it. It was on autopilot and kept flying until it ran out of fuel.

They lost radar contact with the 777 probably over the ocean.

I'm not making a speculation, just introducing another way it could have happened.

If something mechanical happened, or if there was some kind of foul play against the pilots, that plane could have kept flying for about 4,000 miles.

When reporters speak of radar, they might be talking about what air traffic control really is watching which is the transponder information on a screen. If there was foul play, someone could have known to turn the transponder off.

Unless some wreckage is spotted in the search area, I'll begin to wonder if the plane is thousands of miles from where they are looking. The direction it was heading, it could be down in the center of Siberia.

plenty of military radars in the area would have picked it up ,the air traffic control tower have other methods besides their own radar

to locate their aircraft

if all 4 transponders were disabled id investigate the ground crew who were servicing

the plane for 8 days before this happened

too many coincidences just dont add up ,,now theres 10 governments searching a huge area

hundreds of planes ,boats and helicopters and they still havent come within 300km to detect

a ping from the transponder yet ...........

Edited March 10, 2014 by speedtripler

[Thai at Heart]

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

The plane dissapeared from outside radar coverage. If the same thing happened as Payne Stewarts plane they would have flown through radar space somewhere north. These 777's are on auto pilot once airborne. Very different situation in my opinion.

I don't understand. Radar doesn't have that much range. Stewart's incident happened between Orlando Florida and Dallas Texas. All over US soil and yet they lost radar contact with it. It was on autopilot and kept flying until it ran out of fuel.

They lost radar contact with the 777 probably over the ocean.

I'm not making a speculation, just introducing another way it could have happened.

If something mechanical happened, or if there was some kind of foul play against the pilots, that plane could have kept flying for about 4,000 miles.

When reporters speak of radar, they might be talking about what air traffic control really is watching which is the transponder information on a screen. If there was foul play, someone could have known to turn the transponder off.

Unless some wreckage is spotted in the search area, I'll begin to wonder if the plane is thousands of miles from where they are looking. The direction it was heading, it could be down in the center of Siberia.

plenty of military radars in the area would have picked it up ,the air traffic control tower have other methods besides their own radar

to locate their aircraft

if all 4 transponders were disabled id investigate the ground crew who were servicing

the plane for 8 days before this happened

too many coincidences just dont add up ,,now theres 10 governments searching a huge area

hundreds of planes ,boats and helicopters and they still havent come within 300km to detect

a ping from the transponder yet ...........

It's impossible

[sirchai]

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

That's such a scary story,let's hope the rests of the plane and the bodies will be found today.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-10/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh3703a-vietnam-search-planes-find-po/5309022

It seems pretty obvious to me that military observers know much more than they are letting on.

Edited March 10, 2014 by sirchai

[pmugghc]

I think the theory about North Korean rockets hitting the plane is way off. The rockets they tested had quite short range, they could hit South Korea, but no way near the area where the plane flew. Of course the US and Japan would know if any long range rocket was launched.

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they have rockets that are capable of hitting things 96 miles in any direction ,its possible they shot it down but i think unlikley

as the comeback would blow them back to the stone age

No, it's NOT possible. Take a look at a map, draw a 96 miles line from any coastline in North Korea and see how far away you are.

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your assuming it was flying on the original course ,which may not be the case in a disaster situation

Are you seriously suggesting it was flying to within 96 miles off North Korea without being detected by any radar or aircraft control in Vietnam, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Guam, Japan and South Korea??? Jeez....

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[speedtripler]

Are you seriously suggesting it was flying to within 96 miles off North Korea without being detected by any radar or aircraft control in Vietnam, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Guam, Japan and South Korea??? Jeez....

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ok ,you tell us where it flew and where it is now then ?

[sirchai]

Seems to be the day for tears....

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane ‘crashes off Vietnam’

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/08/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-off-vietnam/

My sincere condolences to all who'd lost a friend, or relative. News on this link still have to be confirmed.

Edited March 11, 2014 by sirchai

[angeldevil69]

What really catches my concern is why the plane disappeared from the radar and knowing where it disappeared but can locate any debris in that area.

What if the pilots disconnected the transponders and attached one from another plane?

Could the pilots have been paid a large sum by an international organization and let those two fake passport passengers in the cockpit?

Could the plane have landed safely in a military airport?

Could it be that the MH370 flight was really holding high-tech electronic warfare weaponry? There were 20 employees from Freelance Semiconductor.

There are just too many facts that doesn't add up and look like it crashed!

But what if it really landed and this what so ever organization got what they wanted, what would happen to the plane and all the passengers?

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[speedtripler]

What really catches my concern is why the plane disappeared from the radar and knowing where it disappeared but can locate any debris in that area.

What if the pilots disconnected the transponders and attached one from another plane?

Could the pilots have been paid a large sum by an international organization and let those two fake passport passengers in the cockpit?

Could the plane have landed safely in a military airport?

Could it be that the MH370 flight was really holding high-tech electronic warfare weaponry? There were 20 employees from Freelance Semiconductor.

There are just too many facts that doesn't add up and look like it crashed!

But what if it really landed and this what so ever organization got what they wanted, what would happen to the plane and all the passengers?

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it sounds unlikley theyde be carrying high tech electronic weapons in their luggage

if such technology was groundbreakingly new ,it would be worth billions of dollars to the us ,china or russia

they could afford a private jet never mind cattle class on MA

[Richard W]

There's a suggestion on PPRuNe that the aeroplane went nose first into the ooze at the bottom of the shallow sea and buried itself there.

[davehowden]

Serious question.

Is it possible for a commercial jet liner to fly "beneath" the radar, thus disappearing from view?

[speedtripler]

There's a suggestion on PPRuNe that the aeroplane went nose first into the ooze at the bottom of the shallow sea and buried itself there.

a plane is not stiff enough to do something like that without breaking up ,a nose dive into the sea would snap the wings off at the very least

and the transponder in the tail hasnt been pinged yet ..........

[geriatrickid]

What really catches my concern is why the plane disappeared from the radar and knowing where it disappeared but can locate any debris in that area.

What if the pilots disconnected the transponders and attached one from another plane?

Could the pilots have been paid a large sum by an international organization and let those two fake passport passengers in the cockpit?

Could the plane have landed safely in a military airport?

Could it be that the MH370 flight was really holding high-tech electronic warfare weaponry? There were 20 employees from Freelance Semiconductor.

There are just too many facts that doesn't add up and look like it crashed!

But what if it really landed and this what so ever organization got what they wanted, what would happen to the plane and all the passengers?

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Your claims are wrong in so many ways, that it begs the question as to whether this is an attempt to cause a wind up. Intelligent, rational and mentally competent people do not make wild allegations of this kind.

Pilots disconnecting transponders and attaching one from another plane? Sure. And they also did a wing walk. "International Organization"??? News flash: Every day travelers get on planes using forged or stolen passports or other falsified travel documents. How do you think the refugee claimants arriving at LHR, FRA, YYZ, CPH etc. got there? A Malaysian civilian aircraft holding high tech electronic weaponry and going to China???? Seriously? What planet are you from? The facts you claim are not facts but statements invented by you. What's next? Alien abduction? Please don't use this thread as entertainment.

Edited March 11, 2014 by geriatrickid

[steven100]

This is extremely concerning ......

Before takeoff from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline removed the baggage of five passengers who didn’t board after checking in, said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, director general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation. “There are issues about the passengers that did not fly on the aircraft,” he said without elaborating.

Also, reading where one air hostess didn't board just before take off as she went sick.

I would be checking all the people out thoroughly .... this don't add up !!

[geriatrickid]

Serious question.

Is it possible for a commercial jet liner to fly "beneath" the radar, thus disappearing from view?

Very unlikely. The aircraft's descent would have been observed. Here's an article from the Guardian that answers your question.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/malaysia-airlines-plane-mystery-disappear-off-radar

[davehowden]

This is extremely concerning ......

Before takeoff from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline removed the baggage of five passengers who didn’t board after checking in, said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, director general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation. “There are issues about the passengers that did not fly on the aircraft,” he said without elaborating.

Also, reading where one air hostess didn't board just before take off as she went sick.

I would be checking all the people out thoroughly .... this don't add up !!

Hope they removed the correct bags?

[geriatrickid]

This is extremely concerning ......

Before takeoff from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline removed the baggage of five passengers who didn’t board after checking in, said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, director general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation. “There are issues about the passengers that did not fly on the aircraft,” he said without elaborating.

Also, reading where one air hostess didn't board just before take off as she went sick.

I would be checking all the people out thoroughly .... this don't add up !!

Are you aware that on any given long haul flight, people don't show up for boarding? I have had several flights delayed in the past year when pax didn't board andtheir bags were unloaded. There is nothing unusual about pax not boarding. Ever since the Air India bombing, it is SOP to offload bags of no show pax. As for the FA becoming ill, that isn't unusual either. It happens regularly. Pax are unaware when there are FA changes. Haven't you ever had a flight delay due to missing flight deck personnel. I have.

[davehowden]

Serious question.

Is it possible for a commercial jet liner to fly "beneath" the radar, thus disappearing from view?

Very unlikely. The aircraft's descent would have been observed. Here's an article from the Guardian that answers your question.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/10/malaysia-airlines-plane-mystery-disappear-off-radar

Not arguing, but from the site you mentioned:

"Today there are reports in media that MH370 may have turned around. FR24 have not tracked this. This could have happened if the aircraft suddenly lost altitude as FR24 coverage in that area is limited to about 30000 feet."

[jpinx]

Looks increasingly like the two stolen passport passengers were just illegal immigrants trying to get into EU

http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-fake-passport-holders-were-iranian--report-20140311-hvh9k.html#ixzz2vbwqfhfp

[MrWorldwide]

This is extremely concerning ......

Before takeoff from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline removed the baggage of five passengers who didn’t board after checking in, said Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, director general of Malaysia’s Department of Civil Aviation. “There are issues about the passengers that did not fly on the aircraft,” he said without elaborating.

Also, reading where one air hostess didn't board just before take off as she went sick.

I would be checking all the people out thoroughly .... this don't add up !!

Thank God we've got you on the case, Sherlock - it was looking hopeless up to this point ....

As previously pointed out, people routinely fail to show for their flights - have you never been in the departure lounge whilst people are being paged for gates which are about to close ? As for the 'air hostess' (they seem to prefer the term Flight Attendant in 2014), people get sick - perhaps you'd prefer her coughing over your coffee as she does her rounds ? In any case, I expect that the Malaysian authorities have interviewed her - for all your concern, I doubt they came down in the last shower and may have actually investigated one or two incidents over the years.

In short, about the only thing I find 'concerning' about your post is that it's a rehash of information most of us knew 24-48 hours ago and isn't adding anything new to the discussion. Have a nice day.