Bid to sign up 100,000 democracy guards

[Mister Fixit]

This is Thaksin attempting to start a civil war because he knows there is a chance some sort of separation may come out of it.

Stop it and STOP IT NOW!!!

Yup. He's changed his tactics recently. He's realised he can't have the entire country (which will NEVER happen), so in his twisted mind, then he at least wants 'his' part - the North.

Something, just something to assuage his drive for power, any power, but enough to mess up the country he says he loves (but is not allowed to return to unless he does his time first)

Either way, the man is a sick psychopath who will never give in, not unless he has a heart attack or someone does the necessary.

[Smokemachine]

I personally don't like violence but if this battle is unavoidable.

Then let's fight this match once and for all. Rather than sit and wait. Innocent people get shot or bombed again.

It is so clear that whoever instigated these "democracy" guards are losing their game.

Their so called "democracy" is just protecting the TS regime and nothing else.

"Democracy" = TS regime.

It will just never ends if these bunch of terrorist leaders are around.

[AleG]

How to say "Tonton Macoute" in Thai?

[WhizBang]

Protect democracy my ass. Too bad not a one of them actually understands what democracy is.

Very bad times ahead, I am afraid. Thaksin must be getting very desperate, as he knows his hold on power is slipping away. Too bad he would rather see the country ruined than simply back away and live out the rest of his life quietly and peacefully in Dubai.

[LomSak27]

to protect a democracy

the first thing they need to be taught is

WHAT IS A DEMOCRACY

Are you talking about the Reds or the Yellows here

An unelected people's militia ... they need something to counter the Yellows, The Royals, The Courts, The Army, The Nation (media Division), . They may have the numbers but that does not mean much.

[LomSak27]

By the way big rally in Chiang Mai

But The Nation doesn't think that is news. Was just over on channel News Asia checking out the airline mystery when, "gee an article about thailand" and nothing on Thaivisa. Likely not what THE NATION wants us to read

Saturday's rally also acted as a platform for Red Shirt leaders to dispel the allegations that they want to split the country to form an independent state known as the Lanna People's Democratic Republic

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can't really have people reading things like these ...

[Pimay1]

How to say "Tonton Macoute" in Thai?

I do believe one correct translation would be Thida Thavornseth.

[binjalin]

well the fascists have done it - care to condemn ALL such 'guards'???

I DO

both sides setting up 'guards' is separatist and should be condemned by all democrats (small 'd')

but no doubt the 'yellows huggers' on here will condemn this but elevate the yellow PDRC 'guards' to 'fighting for freedom' which is cr*p of course

Yes you are right, both sides have been and are doing exactly the same things but it is only bad if their wear red.

Rubbish! The Anti-Government Protesters have never advocated separating the Country. We all know who Suthep supports. He doesn't want to separate the Country, he wants to get rid of the Thanksin Clan and their cronies, which is a totally different story.

Their guards, have been there to protect against outside violence against the Anti-Government Protesters and that's it. NOT to try and secede from the Nation or to intimidate peaceful anti-Government protesters, like the Red Shirts have advocated publicly.

Now the Red Shirt leaders are changing their wording, but not their actions. (I guess maybe they are getting a little scared about getting a noose around their neck?) They change the wording, but a private army, is still a private army, no matter what name you want to give it.

Their intentions seem quite clear.

If the Military doesn't step in, before this thing grows bigger, it might get very ugly, fast

wake up!!!

Suthep sought (seeks) to overthrow an elected government and run the country with a fascist UN-ELECTED 'council' nothing more separatist than THAT

[JRSoul]

By the way big rally in Chiang Mai

But The Nation doesn't think that is news. Was just over on channel News Asia checking out the airline mystery when, "gee an article about thailand" and nothing on Thaivisa. Likely not what THE NATION wants us to read

Saturday's rally also acted as a platform for Red Shirt leaders to dispel the allegations that they want to split the country to form an independent state known as the Lanna People's Democratic Republic

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can't really have people reading things like these ...

If you managed to step on your crank while wearing golf shoes, would you take a step back or press on regardless?

[JRSoul]

wake up!!!

Suthep sought (seeks) to overthrow an elected government and run the country with a fascist UN-ELECTED 'council' nothing more separatist than THAT

There is a distinct difference between politically divisive and separatist, though perhaps the nuance escapes you.

[Pimay1]

By the way big rally in Chiang Mai

But The Nation doesn't think that is news. Was just over on channel News Asia checking out the airline mystery when, "gee an article about thailand" and nothing on Thaivisa. Likely not what THE NATION wants us to read

Saturday's rally also acted as a platform for Red Shirt leaders to dispel the allegations that they want to split the country to form an independent state known as the Lanna People's Democratic Republic

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can't really have people reading things like these ...

I think the following quote pretty much sums up the rhetoric from the red stage at these red rallies including the one last Saturday.

Watch what they do, don't listen to what they say. Francis Roland

[cheeryble]

Not taking any side, but just to point out the biggest potential benefit of an asset of 100,000 people would be the psychological one which may become the negotiating table one.

And after all if Suthep can....or could for a while......make his point by raising a large number of people and using them why would the reds sit back and look impotent? They have assets....why not use them?

BTW this is probably reported elsewhere but there were a shxtload of people at the CM exhibition centre yesterday the carpark is appropriately very big but it had filled completely and overflowed onto the street.....nothing like the little downtown affairs.

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Edited March 9, 2014 by cheeryble

[Robby nz]

Thaksins latest push for a coup.

The army have resisted him so far, and me, I hope they continue to resist.

You lot who are asking for the army to step in should consider carefully what you wish for.

Can you not understand that a coup will bring about a civil war, the whole country will be turned into a carbon copy of the south with bombings and shootings everywhere.

The proof of that is in the recruitment of this army and the every day shootings and grenade attacks in BKK.

Is there any of you who think you would be safe if that happened, what have you got that would be of use to a terrorist group ?

[metisdead]

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[chooka]

well the fascists have done it - care to condemn ALL such 'guards'???

I DO

both sides setting up 'guards' is separatist and should be condemned by all democrats (small 'd')

but no doubt the 'yellows huggers' on here will condemn this but elevate the yellow PDRC 'guards' to 'fighting for freedom' which is cr*p of course

Yes you are right, both sides have been and are doing exactly the same things but it is only bad if their wear red.

Rubbish! The Anti-Government Protesters have never advocated separating the Country. We all know who Suthep supports. He doesn't want to separate the Country, he wants to get rid of the Thanksin Clan and their cronies, which is a totally different story.

Their guards, have been there to protect against outside violence against the Anti-Government Protesters and that's it. NOT to try and secede from the Nation or to intimidate peaceful anti-Government protesters, like the Red Shirts have advocated publicly.

Now the Red Shirt leaders are changing their wording, but not their actions. (I guess maybe they are getting a little scared about getting a noose around their neck?) They change the wording, but a private army, is still a private army, no matter what name you want to give it.

Their intentions seem quite clear.

If the Military doesn't step in, before this thing grows bigger, it might get very ugly, fast

I have read the opening story a few times and I can't for the life of me see where it says they want to separate the country. Maybe it is my eyesight but could please point out where in the story it says this. I can see where they say the opposite tho.

[uty6543]

This is the most worrying action by any protest group in this current political conflict. Thaksin is undoubtedly behind it all and could not care less about what happens to Thailand all he is interested in is power and money in that order.This IMO is escalating the situation to the worst possible scenario.

Edited March 9, 2014 by uty6543

[Scamper]

After the 2011 election, the UDD went into a kind of withdrawal. They had nothing to do. What were they going to do with all those matches ? They had already concluded that whatever the Yingluck administration was going to do would always be about strengthening democracy. So, as Thaksin and Pheu Thai went about " strengthening democracy " in their own inimitable way, the UDD went into a kind of slumber. But now they've sprung back up - all the familiar leaders, all the familiar faces - doing what they do best - going after the " enemy ". Thaksin has always understood the power of mobilized hate, and the necessity to create and foster it, using code-words like " elite " to work the masses into uncontrollable fury and vengeance. The UDD movement is nothing without the anger. They have to have an enemy in order to exist. Thaksin has always known that, and all the leaders of the UDD know that too, and have exploited that. But judging by the " apparent " success of their registration drive for 100,000 " guards " - democratic or otherwise - ( what happened to the figure of ten million ? ) - it appears that they are having greater success in arranging polls than Pheu Thai has. Pheu Thai's election is still ongoing, and no one knows where it will end. But UDD legion has it that it has something to do with the yellow brick road.

[TallPalm]

The army needs take action now on this group and any police that won't co operate should be charged for agreeing with separation of the country.

Red shirt leaders should be arrested now , the army also needs to contact the army in Dubai and advise them what the man in the sand is doing , let them take him into a cell for 48 hours intense interrogation.

After that put him under 24 hour guard with no communications allowed no phones tv or internet.

Yingluck should be arrested immediately for not taking any action , they have enough evidence to show she is supporting this new movement.

This will get right out of hand if not and all these red shirts that have been brainwashed by their leaders who sit on the sand and others in frog ponds will be armed and dangerous.

Only way to stop this is by using very very strong enforcement now.

I think you need to read the article again.

[uty6543]

I have read the opening story a few times and I can't for the life of me see where it says they want to separate the country. Maybe it is my eyesight but could please point out where in the story it says this. I can see where they say the opposite tho.

When a con man tries tries to sell you something can you see past his lies?

[nottocus]

This will get right out of hand if not and all these red shirts that have been brainwashed by their leaders who sit on the sand and others in frog ponds will be armed and dangerous.

Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

Attack the reds and kaboom. Wait for them to build up more and kaboom.

[geriatrickid]

The genie got out of the bottle when the military allowed its personnel to "freelance" for the PDRC.

The Redshirts stayed quiet for many months despite the incessant hectoring and provocations from Suthep and his supporters. And now the people are taking steps to protect themselves when they rally on behalf of the government. It wasn't a matter of if, but when.

To those who demand a military intervention, the circumstances are very different than in 2010. The Redshirts were in Bangkok, far from their powerbase and they were not well organized. Now, they are organized and they will be fighting on their home turf. It will be difficult for the limited number of loyalist military units to control the countryside and to fight an insurgency in the south as well as maintain order in Bangkok. I anticipate that a full out confrontation between the military and the supporters of the government will result in a mutiny in the military. Maybe that's what some foreigners want. However, we will all suffer if it occurs.

[blueyeshk]

Need more to proof who is aggressive ? In which other country it would be allowed to even attempt to build up a paramilitary group like that?

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[Prbkk]

Most of them probably would not be able to define true democracy nor would that recognize it if it bit them on the back side

I'm quite sure they understand when told that their vote should be worth less than that of someone else. For example ,the comments of the beer heiress , who now seems to have disappeared from view after her views on Suthep's version of "democracy" , elite style, were flashed around and received so much derision in the international press.

These people are the heart and soul of Thailand and the backbone of its economy.. 200,000 fewer bureaucrats in Bangkok, on the other hand, no-one would notice their absence

[chooka]

I have read the opening story a few times and I can't for the life of me see where it says they want to separate the country. Maybe it is my eyesight but could please point out where in the story it says this. I can see where they say the opposite tho.

When a con man tries tries to sell you something can you see past his lies?

It's all just another monty python skit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c&feature=player_detailpage

[Moruya]

Poo, Poo, watcha gonna do to keep the country together?

Hiding up north with your head in the sand is no use whatsoever.

Peddling the lies of the square faced one will lead to Thailand's demise

Family and cronies, and red shirt cohorts are not really friends of the Thais

If you don't have the answers it's time to concede

The Thais needs a leader who true in his deeds

Summon the courage - it's time to change track

If secession gains pace then there's no turning back

[djjamie]

Tomorrow’s programme would be on poverty eradication, while the talk on Wednesday would be on fighting corruption,

Apart from the armed militia that is being moulded from the unemployed disenfranchised youth, the above statement stands out like a "one principle of democracy" supporter at a democracy convention.

Poverty eradication? So the 1.5 trillion baht the thaksin lead govt's have given to the farmers has not made them rich? Maybe it is because 2.59 million of the poorest farmers do not benefit from this rice scheme? Is she talking about the poverty in the whole country or maybe the north of the country? Will she discuss the poverty in the south or ignore it like yingluck ignored the droughts in the south while visiting Mukdahan where the water level is actually one meter higher than it was the year before?

Fighting corruption? Yes you really do fight corruption, unfortunately your fighting on the wrong side. You're fighting FOR corruption. You told yingluck not to acknowledge charges due to negligence stemming from corruption in the rice scheme. You are ignoring corruption in the scheme and in fact deny their is any thus through your actions are encouraging further corruption. Or are you talking about corruption on the "other" side. The guys you don't like. The "all principle of democracy" supporters.

Maybe the next program can be a discussion on supporting a coup when you can make billions of baht off it. thaksin can be the key note speaker there, being the unelected coup monger that he is. When the coup suits his agenda of course. (1992 coup)

Anyway - 100 000 unemployed disenfranchised youth. This will resemble the largest street gang in history. The L.A chapter of the UDD (Bloods) will be envious I am sure.

Edited March 9, 2014 by djjamie

[seajae]

so the reds are openly signing up a malitia and they are that stupid they think they can pass them off as democracy guards, anyone that had any doubts about the mental capacity of the reds has just been well and truly shown how stupid they really are. These idiots think they will get away with recruiting an armed force, they even try to claim it is the same as the protest guards except they are only there to try to stop people from attacking the protesters, not act as an armed force to enforce whatever the reds want. Cant wait to see these hasbeens come up against a real armed force, like kotee they will sh*t their pants and run for the border.

[Mackie]

I wonder what kind of 'curriculum' is used in their 'schools'. It's an old article but it gives you an idea how brainwashed those people are. They've been systematically brainwashed and taught to hate. What drives them is hatred. There's nothing positive about it. Thailand is in big trouble. 100,000 democracy guards? What a joke.

THAILAND: Anti-gov’t Movement Opens Rural Minds through ‘Schools’

By Marwaan Macan-MarkarReprint |

Marwaan Macan-Markar

http://www.ipsnews.net/2010/02/thailand-anti-govrsquot-movement-opens-rural-minds-through-lsquoschoolsrsquo/

BAAN MUANG, Thailand, Feb 10 2010 (IPS) - Adult education of a novel kind is making its way through this remote town of rice farmers, who are drawn to it by a desire to learn about this kingdom’s deep political and social divisions.

On a recent Sunday, over 700 men and women filled the main hall of a private technical college in Baan Muang, in Thailand’s north-eastern province of Sakon Nakhon, to get their introductory lesson. Some of the students, whose ages ranged from the early 30s to the mid-70s, came from here; some from neighbouring villages.

The uniform they wore for this whole day of lectures and discussions revealed where their political loyalties lay in this South-east Asian nation’s colour-coded political schism. All sported the red shirts of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), a protest movement with strong links to the ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Edited March 9, 2014 by metisdead
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[MaxLee]

These entire scenarios play right into Thaksin's hands and he just displays his last trump cards.

Unfortunately for those rice farmers, they represent only a few millions from the rest of the loyal Friday nasty redshirt Thaksinocracy fanatics which are STILL plenty in the rest of North and North Eastern provinces.

The rest of the Thaksinistas wanna eat rotten rice, aight???

They should have it all forcefed into their mouths without any questions asked....

[ianf]

Volunteers my a%$. First they rip them off for their rice and now that the farmers don't have money to pay their debts, they pay them a few baht to come out and demonstrate (Chiang Mai yesterday) or to become"Guards".

The Armed Forces better get on top of this, before we end up having another crisis like Nepal did.

A bus got blown up by Maoists, in front of my bus, when I was there in November, during the elections.

Most of these red guys, are just misguided and misinformed poor people from the North and Isaan, being manipulated by Thaksin and his clan of New Money, but it is an unequally yoked alliance as they have some leaders who are Maoists, too. Those will do anything to bring down the established rule of this Country, in hopes of creating Chaos and opening a door for Communism.

They smell blood now, because of what they anticipate to happen in a few years.

As for me, I am hoping that the military will step in soon, before this gets any more out of hand. Otherwise, it will not end peacefully, if this is allowed to continue, I think

I'm not sure about opening the door for communism. perhaps this is the best example of left meets right; fascist meet communism. The circle is joined. IN other words, Thaksin, the dictator (or would-be dictator) really doesn't mind if it's left or right. As long as he has total control. And at the end of the day that's what this horrendous mess is all about. One man and his lust for power.