wym Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure No idea why you would doubt this. None were Thai BTW, live in Melbourne, Munich and NYC. The first was my wife, ER nurse, many of her co-workers moonlighted as well. Did a lot of activism fighting for sex-worker control of the (now legal) industry, and organized a group that coordinated volunteer workers visiting the disabled at rehab hospitals, often over the objections of administrators and patient families. My NYC relative is now a lawyer - paid her tuition working escort, is 100% open about it - does pro-bono work prosecuting and suing law enforcement for their very frequent abuses of power, and was instrumental in recent improvements to its landmark Safe Harbor laws, extending their protection to 16 an 17 y.o's. Whwn I first came here I originally wanted to help out with a great outfit works in BKK called Empower, but had to disqualify myself as an active punter. Maybe as I get older. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I agree -- Father Joseph's Mercy Centre is a more appropriate place for an active punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 All my students there are HIV-positive, and well supervised believe me 8-) Empower works with currently active sex workers, they're not trying to stop them working but to help them learn how to be smart, protect themselves and maximise their earnings. Her main concern wasn't relationships developing between the teacher and students per se, but that the girls would drop out as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Amazing how one can supervise students in Klong Toey Bangkok when when is scouring the villages 5 hours from the nearest Isaan town with a BigC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Don't let up do you, thanks again for your concern. Was never "supervising" anything, just casual filling in. Haven't actually taught any sessions there for over six months now anyway. I've mentioned before I'm currently at a transitional stage, don't have any hard-coded obligations on my time ATM, free as a bird, "not sow nor reap nor store away in barns". Haven't needed to go upcountry for a while either, other than bringing the kids to visit dTa and Yai. Edited March 17, 2014 by wym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 ... And as you asked me last month "You really think I just make sh1t up for fun?" my answer is still YES. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JLCrab Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) If you don't give a (darn) then why do you always respond with a further tortuous explanation? Edited March 17, 2014 by JLCrab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsjohnsson Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists.Yes sure No idea why you would doubt this.None were Thai BTW, live in Melbourne, Munich and NYC. The first was my wife, ER nurse, many of her co-workers moonlighted as well. Did a lot of activism fighting for sex-worker control of the (now legal) industry, and organized a group that coordinated volunteer workers visiting the disabled at rehab hospitals, often over the objections of administrators and patient families. My NYC relative is now a lawyer - paid her tuition working escort, is 100% open about it - does pro-bono work prosecuting and suing law enforcement for their very frequent abuses of power, and was instrumental in recent improvements to its landmark Safe Harbor laws, extending their protection to 16 an 17 y.o's. Whwn I first came here I originally wanted to help out with a great outfit works in BKK called Empower, but had to disqualify myself as an active punter. Maybe as I get older. . . I don't doubt that several members in your family where/are sex workers. But I doubt they are proud Feminists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wym Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 they certainly are, just not the old-fashioned kind, i think "third-wave" is one descriptor? certainly sex-positive my mum too very strongly, but not as politically active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) It seems your mian criteria has been ages of the girls you meet. Most people actually don't have ONE age they ted to live through several ages - starting at zero annd heading on into the 70s 80s etc....... it seems a shame that you can only form a relationship with them for just one year out of the 7 or more decades in which they exist. Edited March 17, 2014 by wilcopops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyTwo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure Feminism is about stopping women being exploited by men. If women give something, that has value, to men without payment, this is defined as exploitation. If they charge a fair price for the salable product, then no exploitation is taking place. This, I call logic, Women who give sex away are being exploited. Women who charge for sex are not. Therefore, by definition, feminists and feminism should be in favour of charging men for sex. Edited March 17, 2014 by FiftyTwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canman Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure Feminism is about stopping women being exploited by men. If women give something, that has value, to men without payment, this is defined as exploitation. If they charge a fair price for the salable product, then no exploitation is taking place. This, I call logic, Women who give sex away are being exploited. Women who charge for sex are not. Therefore, by definition, feminists and feminism should be in favour of charging men for sex. I've been giving it away for free for 40+ years. Does that mean I have been exploited for all those years?? I feel cheated now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure Feminism is about stopping women being exploited by men. If women give something, that has value, to men without payment, this is defined as exploitation. If they charge a fair price for the salable product, then no exploitation is taking place. This, I call logic, Women who give sex away are being exploited. Women who charge for sex are not. Therefore, by definition, feminists and feminism should be in favour of charging men for sex. Momma used to tell my sister, no one going to pay for the cow if the milk is free. Was mom a feminist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyTwo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure Feminism is about stopping women being exploited by men. If women give something, that has value, to men without payment, this is defined as exploitation. If they charge a fair price for the salable product, then no exploitation is taking place. This, I call logic, Women who give sex away are being exploited. Women who charge for sex are not. Therefore, by definition, feminists and feminism should be in favour of charging men for sex. I've been giving it away for free for 40+ years. Does that mean I have been exploited for all those years?? I feel cheated now! Male sex has no value, as you well know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canman Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Feminism is about stopping women being exploited by men. If women give something, that has value, to men without payment, this is defined as exploitation. If they charge a fair price for the salable product, then no exploitation is taking place. This, I call logic, Women who give sex away are being exploited. Women who charge for sex are not. Therefore, by definition, feminists and feminism should be in favour of charging men for sex. I've been giving it away for free for 40+ years. Does that mean I have been exploited for all those years??I feel cheated now! Male sex has no value, as you well know. That's not what she said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLCrab Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I can see how it works now: Sorry, dear, I don't have any money to offer you, but I got VALUE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Why is it that anytime someone starts a topic, others try their best to criticize and insult others? I find it odd only because in real olive, I never meet these types of people. When I meet a stranger in Thailand, they are polite and friendly. Are people like "Hardened Soul" the same in real life? It just seems odd as I've never met someone like him for real so unless people here have a split personality, the insulting posters pretend to like you when they meet you. And why always the reference to fat guys? I'm 63 kgs. a few kilos overweight but not obese. Women have no problem having an orgasm with me. Yet when you read responses here, they make it sound like these girls are in hell and hate having sex with 42 year olds. Awww, poor Whereustay ! Well let's switch that around shall we? Do you tell everyone you meet in person about your unbridled joy at being able to have sex with good-looking freelancers and how your wallet gives you access to far better totty than it could attract back home? The next time you meet them - in person - do you criticize those same women you were paying to shag for trying to get more cash out of you while praising a nice, normal schoolteacher you've met a few days earlier. The next time you meet them - in person - do you tell them that , actually, the "gorgeous" schoolteacher's been chucked because she sweats too much and won't wear skirts short enough to expose her sexual organs? (How dare she??) The next time you . . . . actually, I'll stop there because I know, without a shred of doubt, that those people would avoid you like the freakin' plague. You're a complete and utter flake who makes drivel up as you go along and you're chucking your toys outta the pram because you've been exposed as a liar, a fantasist and a hypocrite. In answer to your question as to whether I'm "like this in real life", the answer is "I most certainly would be if someone as vacuous and self-absorbed as you seem to be came over and spewed the kind of verbal diarrhea you do" Praise TV, I learned how to properly use, in a sentence, the word, "vaccuos" given that you have misspelled it, i suspect not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpolo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure No idea why you would doubt this. None were Thai BTW, live in Melbourne, Munich and NYC. The first was my wife, ER nurse, many of her co-workers moonlighted as well. Did a lot of activism fighting for sex-worker control of the (now legal) industry, and organized a group that coordinated volunteer workers visiting the disabled at rehab hospitals, often over the objections of administrators and patient families. My NYC relative is now a lawyer - paid her tuition working escort, is 100% open about it - does pro-bono work prosecuting and suing law enforcement for their very frequent abuses of power, and was instrumental in recent improvements to its landmark Safe Harbor laws, extending their protection to 16 an 17 y.o's. Whwn I first came here I originally wanted to help out with a great outfit works in BKK called Empower, but had to disqualify myself as an active punter. Maybe as I get older. . . It is hard for some, on TV, to imagine that some of the girls in the industry, are professional, and have separated their lives and personalities from what they do I can not speak for bar girls, I dont like them but dont condemn them either, I met a few ib Chaing Mai with good personalities, but had not sampled their wares mostly because, they aren't clean, and aren't tested. They were also most often, very drunk, and sloppy, and some, pool hustlers in particular, were a huge turn off I do make a distinction between bar girls, and high end massage joints, as do the proprieters of these places do, as well There is a huge difference in them, entirely which is why they can charge 4,000 Baht an hour, and not 500 Edited March 17, 2014 by Scarpolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It is hard for some, on TV, to imagine that some of the girls in the industry, are professional, and have separated their lives and personalities from what they do I can not speak for bar girls, I dont like them but dont condemn them either, I met a few ib Chaing Mai with good personalities, but had not sampled their wares mostly because, they aren't clean, and aren't tested. They were also most often, very drunk, and sloppy, and some, pool hustlers in particular, were a huge turn off I do make a distinction between bar girls, and high end massage joints, as do the proprieters of these places do, as well How would you tell the difference between a massage girl and a bar girl if you met them outside or work at the mall or in a restaurant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigurris Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 This started as an interesting debate and has now descended into a bitch-fest. Life is short boys. Agree to disagree and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpolo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It is hard for some, on TV, to imagine that some of the girls in the industry, are professional, and have separated their lives and personalities from what they do I can not speak for bar girls, I dont like them but dont condemn them either, I met a few ib Chaing Mai with good personalities, but had not sampled their wares mostly because, they aren't clean, and aren't tested. They were also most often, very drunk, and sloppy, and some, pool hustlers in particular, were a huge turn off I do make a distinction between bar girls, and high end massage joints, as do the proprieters of these places do, as well How would you tell the difference between a massage girl and a bar girl if you met them outside or work at the mall or in a restaurant? It requires the acknowdglement first, that there is a difference. The girl I am with doesn't drink, doesn't have prostitute friends, and looks like a model, that's one way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 How would you tell the difference between a massage girl and a bar girl if you met them outside or work at the mall or in a restaurant? It requires the acknowdglement first, that there is a difference. The girl I am with doesn't drink, doesn't have prostitute friends, and looks like a model, that's one way There is no difference. High class bar or high class soapy or high class escort. You get what you pay for. The absolute top crust of Thai society drinks at the same tables as high class bar girls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsjohnsson Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 And several female members of my extended family have indeed worked in the sex industry, and they are all very proud feminists. Yes sure Feminism is about stopping women being exploited by men. If women give something, that has value, to men without payment, this is defined as exploitation. If they charge a fair price for the salable product, then no exploitation is taking place. This, I call logic, Women who give sex away are being exploited. Women who charge for sex are not. Therefore, by definition, feminists and feminism should be in favour of charging men for sex. I've been giving it away for free for 40+ years. Does that mean I have been exploited for all those years??I feel cheated now! Male sex has no value, as you well know. Male sex must have value. It's a huge business in Thailand. And they have thousends of male sex workers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardenedSoul Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I know you are not in Thailand but in Thailand everybody pays. Everybody pays sin sot. Really?? I'm not in Thailand?? Jeez bro, your dementia's getting worse. "Everybody pays??" OK you keep telling yourself that if it brings you the validation you need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpolo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) they certainly are, just not the old-fashioned kind, i think "third-wave" is one descriptor? certainly sex-positive my mum too very strongly, but not as politically active I fully understand what you mean by "feminist" as used here The girl I am with is very strong willed and determined to have things her way, every time. Feminist? not sure, but she does want control It's been an interesting time with her, no doubt Edited March 17, 2014 by Scarpolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I know you are not in Thailand but in Thailand everybody pays. Everybody pays sin sot. Really?? I'm not in Thailand?? Jeez bro, your dementia's getting worse. "Everybody pays??" OK you keep telling yourself that if it brings you the validation you need Momma said, "why buy the cow if the milk is free." This is not a new idea. You are such a stud that I could not imagine you posting on the INTERNET at 3:00 AM in morning if you lived in Thailand. Also some women in the West don't charge up front. So putting two and two together I assume you are posting from somewhere else besides Thailand. Also you seem to put some moral stigma on charging for sex. And that men who don't pay for sex are somehow better than men who do. That's not really a Thai idea. I don't see anything wrong in living and dating in Australia it's just not my cup of tea. There are different rules. Everyplace has different rules. Thailand has rules that don't work in N Korea. So it would be easier if you told us you were using Aussie rules. Edited March 17, 2014 by thailiketoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LaraC Posted March 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2014 This topic, and the gazillion threads like it, will forever spin reaching no conclusion. Most old guys desire young girls (paid for or otherwise), even if happily married to an older wife.Some of these old guys if married will cheat, some will merely covet, and some will divorce and play the field again.If these guys have a modicum of sense then they are truly well aware that in all honestly a young girl is not going an old partner.However, that doesnt sit well for most, so they come on THaivisa or hang out with other old dudes with the full knowledge that most of them will feeling the same concerns. THey also know if they pose the question about "do younger girls in Thailand really prefer older men" etc, chances are, given that the company are all in the same boat, they will all pat each other on the back and reassure each other than yes, young girls in Thailand love to be with old men.Hang around with enough people all in the same situation, the situation can be considered normal (by them).However, they know full well that its not, or they wouldnt be constantly on thaivisa or talking to each other week in week out in order to keep reassuring each other.If you need constant validation and reassurance on a subject, then chances are you know full well that it really isnt as you are trying to convince yourself (and each other) it is.The anger and outbursts at those of us who say "well, actually, i think you are being a bit deluded", is not because they dont believe us, its because they are here for reassurance and validation, with no desire to be shown a mirror. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaraC Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 they certainly are, just not the old-fashioned kind, i think "third-wave" is one descriptor? certainly sex-positive my mum too very strongly, but not as politically active I fully understand what you mean by "feminist" as used here The girl I am with is very strong willed and determined to have things her way, every time. I of course, placate, but, still leave my guitar on the couch, still leave my shirts on chairs and still don't use the bin for toilet paper, I also continue to leave my coffee spoon on the counter, awaiting its refill use, all of these things are simple examples, of a woman who must have things under her control, we all know, in the massage world, one step out of line brings in the bouncers, girls in the vanilla world, do not have this amount of control over men, and this one isn't easy on giving it up, Having been married to a Leo already, I know how to handle them, not unlike the Lion himself, who allows the Lioness to run amok, until he's determined to do something. Being a Leo moon sign, arrests her desire to try to control me, and puts her at rest. She has told me she was able to dominate all of her thai boyfriends, and that they understood when she didn't want sex from them. I carry that understanding, and temper it, and have had no trouble adjusting to her, nor she to me, Amazing tho, how the affection hs racheted up, as my departure moment grew closer tho Your gf wants you to clean up after yourself and you consider that shes controlling and running amok? BLimey! If i do something that narks my bf, i do my uttmost not to do it. If i forget, im up for a gentle scolding..and will make a joke out of it. I call that being considerate...not about relinquishing control. ..and thats not even getting into the line about rebuffing a partner if you arent up for sex. There was me thinking that was a basic human right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyTwo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 they certainly are, just not the old-fashioned kind, i think "third-wave" is one descriptor? certainly sex-positive my mum too very strongly, but not as politically active I fully understand what you mean by "feminist" as used here The girl I am with is very strong willed and determined to have things her way, every time. I of course, placate, but, still leave my guitar on the couch, still leave my shirts on chairs and still don't use the bin for toilet paper, I also continue to leave my coffee spoon on the counter, awaiting its refill use, all of these things are simple examples, of a woman who must have things under her control, we all know, in the massage world, one step out of line brings in the bouncers, girls in the vanilla world, do not have this amount of control over men, and this one isn't easy on giving it up, Having been married to a Leo already, I know how to handle them, not unlike the Lion himself, who allows the Lioness to run amok, until he's determined to do something. Being a Leo moon sign, arrests her desire to try to control me, and puts her at rest. She has told me she was able to dominate all of her thai boyfriends, and that they understood when she didn't want sex from them. I carry that understanding, and temper it, and have had no trouble adjusting to her, nor she to me, Amazing tho, how the affection hs racheted up, as my departure moment grew closer tho Your gf wants you to clean up after yourself and you consider that shes controlling and running amok? BLimey! If i do something that narks my bf, i do my uttmost not to do it. If i forget, im up for a gentle scolding..and will make a joke out of it. I call that being considerate...not about relinquishing control. ..and thats not even getting into the line about rebuffing a partner if you arent up for sex. There was me thinking that was a basic human right... I wouldn't be sharing a house with you either, Scarpolo. Too untidy for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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