Disappearance of Malaysian jet appears 'deliberate': PM

[Loptr]

Mr Razak told a news conference that new satellite evidence shows "with a high degree of certainty" that the aircraft's communications systems were disabled

That's some satellite they've got there.

An earlier news report out of the US said the US authorities broke this news, based on some type of Boeing "ping" to the satellite that even though this airline was not subscribed to the Boeing service it still was communicating with the satellite and that's how they determined when each part of the system was disabled. Evidently, it took highly trained aviators, and the pilot is under scrutiny now. If you read the blogs on that original USA report, there are all sorts of scary scenarios being posited, such as the plane being used as a sort of super attack vehicle in the future. There was evidence to suggest they took the plane up to 45,000 feet which resulted in the deaths of all passengers from lack of oxygen.

The only way the passengers would be at risk of hypoxia is if cabin pressure were lost.

[nonthaburial]

Let's take Into account that the shipping lanes as well as air routes on the original flight plan,are probably the most busy anywhere in the world, yet only one report of interest was received,that from a kiwi oil platform worker. If this flight had come down where it was supposed to be then I am convinced it would have been spotted almost immediately.

We then hear that all transponders had been deactivated two of them, for just such security reasons, were located in supposedly hard to find places, yet all of them were manually turned off. Conclusion someone obviously knew what they were doing.

When I first heard about this aircraft "loss" and no debris found, my gut feeling told me there was more to this than meets the eye, then came the revelation that the engines performed for up to four hours after the supposed loss giving a range of an extra 2000+ miles. I plotted that distance and it told me that the plane was in range of the lawless part of Pakistan. I.e Taliban country.

If my gut feeling and plotting is correct, then god forbid, we are looking at another possible 9/11, BUT A QUESTION, the plane on its original flight plan could have been used against a host of major cities at that time, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore and even KL springs to mind, let's not forget, if any of these cities were targeted at that time,they would be struck in the very early hours of the morning. Why didn't it happen?

There are only two situations it didn't happen, one, those who supposedly hijacked had a much bigger plan, and secondly they didn't want to sacrifice so many lives most being Chinese. Does this point a question mark towards the Xijiang possibility, who want to follow up their Kunming train station atrocity, who the hell knows ?

Lastly and all forum magicians are eligible to answer, how in the world can such a large aircraft land without being noticed, and secondly, it's very difficult to keep 239 people quiet and out of touch.

Answers on a post card please.

[Loptr]

Well at least there's some good news. The plane maybe didn't go down and the passengers could still be alive.

There's not too many places you could land it without attracting attention. Let alone hide it.

Why? The 777 will land on as little as 3500' of runway. Once on the ground, something as simple as a cargo net would hide it from prying eyes.

[haybilly]

Why has no one mentioned the possibility that the plane was taken over by remote control and not necessarily by someone on board. I know " conspiracy theory", but it is a fact that planes can be controlled remotely now, tech has been around for a long time. Lots of possibilities still out there.

'Someone' already has--by using AWACS, I believe. Not saying I put any credence in this theory--just repeating it.

The truth will out sooner or later.

[Loptr]

It definitely feels like some sort of coverup. With all those people on the plane, no one called their families or friends? I recall telephone calls made made from the aircrafts that were hijacked during 9-11 in the US. Not 1 person was able to send out a call to a family member? Seems fishy to me.

No cell phone service over the ocean. Plus, you are assuming that the passengers knew they were in danger and were capable of making a call.

[Noi657]

Let's take Into account that the shipping lanes as well as air routes on the original flight plan,are probably the most busy anywhere in the world, yet only one report of interest was received,that from a kiwi oil platform worker. If this flight had come down where it was supposed to be then I am convinced it would have been spotted almost immediately.

We then hear that all transponders had been deactivated two of them, for just such security reasons, were located in supposedly hard to find places, yet all of them were manually turned off. Conclusion someone obviously knew what they were doing.

When I first heard about this aircraft "loss" and no debris found, my gut feeling told me there was more to this than meets the eye, then came the revelation that the engines performed for up to four hours after the supposed loss giving a range of an extra 2000+ miles. I plotted that distance and it told me that the plane was in range of the lawless part of Pakistan. I.e Taliban country.

If my gut feeling and plotting is correct, then god forbid, we are looking at another possible 9/11, BUT A QUESTION, the plane on its original flight plan could have been used against a host of major cities at that time, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore and even KL springs to mind, let's not forget, if any of these cities were targeted at that time,they would be struck in the very early hours of the morning. Why didn't it happen?

There are only two situations it didn't happen, one, those who supposedly hijacked had a much bigger plan, and secondly they didn't want to sacrifice so many lives most being Chinese. Does this point a question mark towards the Xijiang possibility, who want to follow up their Kunming train station atrocity, who the hell knows ?

Lastly and all forum magicians are eligible to answer, how in the world can such a large aircraft land without being noticed, and secondly, it's very difficult to keep 239 people quiet and out of touch.

Answers on a post card please.

Pre 9/11 nobody would have thought that hijacking 4 planes would have been possible!

Anythings possible!

[Loptr]

if it exploded, the "black box" would have been sending out signals which is wasn't.

The ELTs on the flight data recorders have a limited range and only have rougher 72 hours of battery life. If sitting on the bottom of the ocean the chances of locating them is slim to none.

[nonthaburial]

How about Camp Bastion as a target, a final farewell to the outgoing troops ?.

[razer]

My experience in Malaysia and speculation. I lived up country Malaysia in the state of Jahor for a year. The only way in or out was by bus o car and we were two hours from Jahor Baru/Singapore. Outside the major cities, Islam is a major force in Malaysia. The Asian Muslim tries to be more Islamic than the Saudi. In fact, a friend who is a mullah from Turkey was interrogated 3 hours by the local mullahs to see if he was authentic. He is philosophical, not radical and he was just visiting. Female circumcision occurs in the Malay Muslim culture according to my Indian landlord and his wife. Non-Muslims are forbidden by law to say the word “Allah”, an Arabic word. The Malaysian Chinese built the Malaysian economy but the Islamic government made them second class citizens and their children cannot go to Malay government supported schools. They are segregated. Malay government schools have daily Islamic indoctrination. Once on the bus to Singapore I sat behind a French-Arabic speaking North African probably from Morocco or Algeria. I lived in Morocco and know their mannerisms and French Arabic accent. I heard him talking on his mobile. I am curious why he was so far away from the normal areas visitors go. There is a remote chance he could have been a visiting engineer. I think there is a dark side to Malaysia and I think it is possible this dark side is providing the ideology, training and funding to the Thai Islamists who perpetuate violence in the south. I think it is quite possible there are training camps in the Malaysian jungle. (Today on CNN a retired CIA officer said there is a radical Islamist problem in Malaysia but it seems to be a taboo subject.) I think it is possible the Islamist are holding the Malaysian government and tourism hostage with the threat of terrorism to remain invisible. I think it is plausible that the Malaysian Airways Flight MH 370 was hijacked and it is also plausible the pilot or copilot became a born again Muslim and wanted martyrdom.

[Noi657]

How about Camp Bastion as a target, a final farewell to the outgoing troops ?.

Wouldn't get close enough!

[Scott]

Some off-topic post and replies deleted and a post with the remarks inside the quote box.

[marstons]

utter crap to say switching off the planes transponder/sqwark would make it disappear. If the little 152 i used to fly could be tracked a 777 would be. What they are saying basically means if half a dozen Migs set off to attack the USA and were not using transponders they would not be picked up. Just to think the Americans spent all that money on stealth fighters and all they had to do was not transmit location and would go totally undetected.

[Loptr]

utter crap to say switching off the planes transponder/sqwark would make it disappear. If the little 152 i used to fly could be tracked a 777 would be. What they are saying basically means if half a dozen Migs set off to attack the USA and were not using transponders they would not be picked up. Just to think the Americans spent all that money on stealth fighters and all they had to do was not transmit location and would go totally undetected.

Big difference between trying to track a 777 over the ocean in a limited radar coverage area and driving a 152 around the pattern in a radar dense area.

[nonthaburial]

How about Camp Bastion as a target, a final farewell to the outgoing troops ?.

Wouldn't get close enough!

Why wouldn't it get close enough ? Are you talking fuel wise ? If you are talking camp bastion has air defence, I would suggest you may not be on the ball on this one .Sure they may be able to scramble defensive jets and shoot the 777 down, but even if this happened the effort would be recognised

[Noi657]

How about Camp Bastion as a target, a final farewell to the outgoing troops ?.

Wouldn't get close enough!

Why wouldn't it get close enough ? Are you talking fuel wise ? If you are talking camp bastion has air defence, I would suggest you may not be on the ball on this one .Sure they may be able to scramble defensive jets and shoot the 777 down, but even if this happened the effort would be recognised

IMO it would get shot down before it got anywhere near close.

[JamesDean3]

Either the pilot was coerced into participating in this hijack or was part of it from the very beginning.

[tezzainoz]

I have been saying for the last 5 days that it was most likely hijacked by crew or passengers.

I was labelled a "conspiracy theorist" for my troubles despite it being the most likely and logical explanation.

The Malaysians had been avoiding it and sending people on a wild goose chase in the Gulf of Thailand because the truth will be a huge black eye against Malaysia Airlines and KLIA security.

I don't expect an apology to be forthcoming...

Hijacked planes land eventually, usually in rogue states, and the hijackers issue demands and such.

Nothing of that nature has happened so far...

Unlikely to happen now.

Unless they want the plane for another reason

Like a Weapon

The fact is untill that plane is found, nowhere in the world is safe

[HUAHIN62]

I dont think it was hijacked, because if it was hijacked for a ransom we would have known of it by now and if it was hijacked we also would know. If it was hijack for a weapon its stupid because the supprise factor is lost with this time delay, all countries would be on high alert for unknown aircraft entering their airspace. The only hijack possibility is that shoulds logic is that the hijacking went wrong and the plane went down.

My money is on one or both pilots. In all the pilot suicides they tried to hide their act. This can explain the reason for changing course to an area with deep water where it would be very difficult to recover the black box. There is now less than 21 days battery life left for the black box. With any debri now drifting hundreds of km from the crash site and the black box in deep water, it could be lost as evidence. The older pilots knowledge of the aircraft was extremely good, so good he could build a simulator. Not only was the two responders disabled, but according to a report the transmitter that pinged the satellites was also disconnected, at about the 5 hour mark. This left a further 2 hours flying time which the aircraft could have gone in any direction.

[tx22cb]

I still don't think this is at all definite.

Now they say there are 2 totally opposite possible paths - which means one of the paths is 100% wrong, and the other path may not be 100% correct.

I'm not sure we are closer to finding the plane than we were on Monday.

Smells like Malays are covering their <deleted> ... how to spin things so that Malaysia comes out minimally tarnished.

[Basil B]

Police in Malaysia have said they are looking at the psychological background of the pilots, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, their family life and connections.

Just wondering why no other Radar had picked the aircraft up.Wouldn't countries be surprised about an aircraft that shouldn't be there? What utter bs are they trying to sell now?

And they also need to do that with every other person on board this flight...

Another thing that must be investigated as the flight was only just over half full was there anyway extra passengers were smuggled on board? I know it virtually impossible, but I seem to think this was common practice many years ago, friends or family of the pilot, etc.

[robert888d]

They should go through the passenger list very carefully to see how many if any of the passengers knew how to fly, and eliminate the rest.

[Miami Bob]

Mobile phones don't work at 35000 ft, even over land. No calls were made from mobiles on 911, that was BS fed to the public.

[Hulkster]

I have been saying for the last 5 days that it was most likely hijacked by crew or passengers.

I was labelled a "conspiracy theorist" for my troubles despite it being the most likely and logical explanation.

The Malaysians had been avoiding it and sending people on a wild goose chase in the Gulf of Thailand because the truth will be a huge black eye against Malaysia Airlines and KLIA security.

I don't expect an apology to be forthcoming...

Hijacked planes land eventually, usually in rogue states, and the hijackers issue demands and such.

Nothing of that nature has happened so far...

Unlikely to happen now.

I said hijacked by crew or passengers.

It might be in Pakistan, it might be in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

People were mocking the idea a hijacking only yesterday despite the only reasonable and logical explanation being a hijacking.

[DLP]

if it exploded, the "black box" would have been sending out signals which is wasn't.

The ELTs on the flight data recorders have a limited range and only have rougher 72 hours of battery life. If sitting on the bottom of the ocean the chances of locating them is slim to none.

The FDR has about 30 days battery life.

[sunshine51]

They should go through the passenger list very carefully to see how many if any of the passengers knew how to fly, and eliminate the rest.

Just how do you propose this be accomplished? At flight check in?

[mdmayes]

The plane was landed on some remote island somewhere in SE Asia. The plane is being prepared for its next use, which is an attack on the West. The people on board the plane unfortunately were expendable and are most likely all dead (RIP) by now.

[rayw]

At last some truth is emerging but it still sucks. Sure they MUST have known it was hijacked right from the start and with all the RADAR in this whole SE Asia region there is no way the main authorities and military do not know where this plane went. Do they really think we are all that stupid ?? How much more inept wool over eyes pulling is going to happen before the truth ever emerges, if it ever will!! Trouble is way too many people believe the media crap designed to misguide them.

Maybe at least some hope that the innocent passengers involved in this fiasco may still be safe and alive, some thread of hope. It is they who we should feel very sorry for and their relatives and friends awaiting news. All those responsible for this and those hiding the truth want lining up and shooting .. wow wait a minute .... that would make us no better than they are so I retract that. Phew that was a close one I nearly lowered myself to their pond-life level.

[fasteddie]

What amazes me is the ability to turn off the tracking devices, Why?

[biplanebluey]

I have met people from Yeman and Pakistan. They were not hostile to me....

They are wasting time looking for the plane at the bottom of the ocean... what they should be doing is scouring every airport in the Middle East of countries that are hostile to the west.... for example YEMEN and PAKISTAN.... no doubt more than a few people are involved.... the plane has not been hijacked for ransom.... it is obvious that whoever is behind this thought it through and are probably using the plane as a weapon... the passengers are in some auditorium being held hostage... but the hijackers do not want them... they are merely "collateral damage.."

Let's see how this plays out....

"they were not hostile to me"????? AND THAT INDICATES ??????

[biplanebluey]

What amazes me is the ability to turn off the tracking devices, Why?

Perhaps so nobody could track them----duh-----