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The real problem is that no party in Thailand has any political platform worth mentioning.

No party has Thai People interests on their agenda.

No party wants real democracy, law and order.

No party knows what real democracy is about.

No party has any knowledge of where to go and how to get there.

All Thai politicians are a bunch of pigs squabbling pushing and shoveling around the trough.

It is still a very nice place to live for most of us.

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The flag waving "Respect My Vote" is a little absurd. The vast majority of people do not even understand the importance of their vote on their future. Learning not to throw your vote away in the first place is perhaps a good place to start but I doubt much has been spent on educating the electorate.

"The flag waving "Respect My Vote" is a little absurd. The vast majority of people do not even understand the importance of their vote on their future"

This quote reflects one of the greatest weaknesses of arrogant PAD-Dem's, and contributes mightily to their electoral futility.

Don't ever kid yourself....The vast majority of people understand exactly the contribution of their vote to the future.....That is what politicization is all about, and voters down to the most insignificant villager, vote with a full realization who acts in their best interest, and accordingly, who to vote for.

The self-interest that governs the vote of a lowly Villager, is no different than that of an uppity, puffed-up PAD-Dem PH.D...They are both just "One Vote".

Until the arrogant PAD-Dem's understand this, they are constrained from developing Policies, selecting suitable leaders and enunciating "electoral planks" incorporating the self-interest of a diverse electorate.

Hence, they remain unelectable.

Not complicated.

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As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Maybe, maybe not, what is certain is that thanks to the Red Shirts the country has been governed by a bunch of, amoral, incompetent, thieving, lying crooks who have dragged it down to the brink of civil war. Well done Red Shirts, now go bomb someone to show them how much you love DemocracyTM.

I and the electoral majority respectfully disagree, and do so with a full knowledge of reality in this instance....

PAD-Dem self-serving rhetoric they are afraid to expose to the electorate at election time, and avoid doing in Parliament where they would be judged by the voters, speaks to its accuracy and veracity.

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The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence


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The Army will this time around and they will do it correctly and swiftly at the leaders at the start of UDD/Red violence ...hence the rightful and correct warning to Jatuporn from Khun General Prayuth that he is not going to take any of his terrorism activity this time around. And good job too.

I read Jutaporn's comment as a thinly veiled threat to the Gen.

Perhaps the translation was poor, as getting on the very wrong side of a man who controls the allegience of the best snipers in the country is probably not conducive to a long life.

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The more Jatuporn incites Thaksin's Red Army to violence, the fewer people will support him/them. People know that they will only end up in jail and that Thaksin won't / can't help them. Rural people have seen that it is not worth sacrificing their life for Thaksin and Jatuporn, who re very wealthy people and who don't have to worry about where their next baht is coming from. I also think that the rural people have woken up to the fact that Thaksin is only interested in his own needs.

Will the next election verify this opinion?

Is the Thai electorate uni-dimensionally fixated on Thaksin as electorally-challenged, self-serving PAD-Dem's like to suggest?

Would showing respect to the Thai electorate, assist all Parties to become electorally competitive?

Would gross underestimating of the ongoing strength of the Pro-Democracy Movement, be seen as deluding oneself, preventing ameliorization of one's electoral difficulties?

Questions, questions, questions

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The general electorate are tired of the yellow facsist bullies and their undemocratic power grab tactics employed over the last 8 years. Coups, judicial coups, violent yellow hissy fit protesters... people have had enough.

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Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Those voting for PT were well aware of who was going to be made PM given a PT victory. Duh!

yes and perhaps you would like to give us all a lesson titled "PTP/Yinglucs" achievements for the last 2 1/2 years of office, please use words like reconciliation - democracy - as often as you like with the odd amnesty - rice - farmers - corruption - lies - law thrown in for good measure

It would be an interesting read

Nice, and perhaps add:

- Equal application of the law

- Major police reform, including an outside body to investigate complaints from the public against the police, and complaints from serving officers

- Legislation which strongly punishes any attempt by politicians / political parties to push permanent officials outside of balanced work practices

- Processes which allow the public easy access to all transactions conducted by all ministries

- Real policies and structured mechanisms to identify and strongly punish corruption, including workable 'whistle blower' legislation

- Polices and mechanisms to stop nepotism

- Severe upgrade of legislation to much more strongly punish vote buying

- Legislation to ensure that employment and promotion is based on proven capability and proven high performance, and nothing else.

- Actual and wide reform of education

- Compulsory hours in high school to learn the real meaning of democracy and also learn what needs strong attention and protection to safeguard democracy, plus make it strongly punishable if a teacher attempts to tell students which Thai party is good / not good etc.

and more...

Perhaps all of these suggestions have merit.

Take 'em to Parliament and state your case in support of them...Perhaps the voters watching will agree and reward you at election time. They will also judge the Govts. response to these issues and punish/reward them depending on what they do, or not do.

But ya gotta convince them.

Go for it.

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The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence

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The Army will this time around and they will do it correctly and swiftly at the leaders at the start of UDD/Red violence ...hence the rightful and correct warning to Jatuporn from Khun General Prayuth that he is not going to take any of his terrorism activity this time around. And good job too.

I read Jutaporn's comment as a thinly veiled threat to the Gen.

Perhaps the translation was poor, as getting on the very wrong side of a man who controls the allegience of the best snipers in the country is probably not conducive to a long life.

Well he did wish the General happy birthday which probably got right up the nose of the military fossil.

Plus the UDD/Red shirts do not have to resort to terrorist activity. Camping in a few parks and blocking road junctions will be enough. They have protection from the courts too. Shutdown Bangkok starts again.

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Whatever the arguments are, we have a corrupt moron "acting" prime minister now, who doesn't even know which box to put her own ballot in and who lies, cries and tries to pull the wool over uneducated people's eyes so that her corrupt, evil brother can come back to Thailand.

Thaksin is a coward. Can't even face the music. You do something wrong, you pay the price. What a sissy coward punk.

Is this opinion correct, and will the voters agree.

They didn't the last election.

Will they the next one.

Why do those who agree with the opinion expressed in above quote, want to nullify the last election so badly?

Just asking.

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The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

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Glad to see you finally realise that the process by which Yingluck was elected PM was "totally democratic", as you put it, and that she can only legitimately be removed by totally democratic means. Progress at last!

Yingluck was voted to be PM bythe only one vote that matters to the PTP.

That is their paymaster, Thaksin Shinawatra.

Do all you Red Shirt/UDD/PTP supporters truly believe that ANYONE else would have been elected? A power pole perhaps, Chalerm, Kittirat anybody who was NOT family?

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The question now, is Jatuporn inciting violence, if so, he should be charged , excellent statesmen these people , they sure know how to address the people and the problems.

There appear to be sufficient grounds to revoke his bail, so why don't they? Probably because they recognise that the police are incapable of enforcing an order for his arrest...!

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The question now, is Jatuporn inciting violence, if so, he should be charged , excellent statesmen these people , they sure know how to address the people and the problems.

If you charged Jutaporn on those grounds, you would have to shoot Suthep for what he has done to the nation.

Sounds like a fair deal, where do we sign up?

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As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Your usual nonsense. Who decides what's "justified" a terrorist out on bail, known thug, and breaker of his bail terms countless times? A veteran communist whose idea of democracy is a one party state with self appointed people like herself as "being more equal"? Or the convicted criminal fugitive on the run from a prison sentence and 15 serious outstanding court cases.

PTP should set an example - obey the law, follow all procedures, and set out policies that will win them the people's mandate. They can't because they have their own agenda, have skimmed too much through greed, and proven to be totally inept through nepotism and cronyism.

UDD/PTP/Red Shirts are no more interested in democracy, the people or the rule of real law than Stalin, Mugabe, Marcos or Hun Set.

They are either playing a big poker style bluff, seeing which side as the biggest balls, or it really is going to get very nasty. I hope the former for the sake of Thailand and its people. I suspect it may be the latter as Thaksin's mob are like rats backed into a corner. If their activities of the last 2 years are opened to public - well maybe they have to go all or nothing.

They will never run this country in anyway other than for the benefit of themselves.

I am surprised you waste such wise words on an annoying troll, Bb, but I could not agree with you more. These gutless red rats will be all piss and wind until things get nasty then they will set fire to everything that will burn then crawl back to their rat's nest and declare a huge victory. The army may well have the chance to do the country a big favor very soon, as long as the paymaster in Dubai gives the order to invade the capital, a-la 2010.

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Good ! There have been too many coups in Thailand, to the point that it has been an easy habit ! They have to learn that those days are over. Coups have to be stopped in their tracks. From now on the army will find that is is no longer easy.

Well done Jutaporn for standing up to them.

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The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Those voting for PT were well aware of who was going to be made PM given a PT victory. Duh!

The same is true in Canada, however there isn't a requirement that the person named before the election as the likely head of government will be the head of government (Prime Minister in this case). The elected MP's could change their mind and elect someone different than the person the party said would be the Prime MInister. So you are both right.

"So you are both right"

No they are not.

Only "Rich Teacher' is correct.

There was not a smidgin of doubt by Thai voters, that Ms. Y. would be the PM if they voted for the PTP......They did, and got the PM they voted for.

To suggest that technically in Canada:

"....however there isn't a requirement that the person named before the election as the likely head of government will be the head of government (Prime Minister in this case). The elected MP's could change their mind and elect someone different than the person the party said would be the Prime MInister"

That has never occurred to my knowledge, and yours probably either...To suggest the possibility of an aberation from the moon is relevant, doesn't fly.

I emphasize this in order not to give succor to PAD-dem's, who desperately want to believe that Ms. Y. has limited electoral support, while at the same time being scared out-of-their-wits about facing her in another election.

So using your "logic" how come Somchai became PM? Was he #2 on the party list?

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As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Your usual nonsense. Who decides what's "justified" a terrorist out on bail, known thug, and breaker of his bail terms countless times? A veteran communist whose idea of democracy is a one party state with self appointed people like herself as "being more equal"? Or the convicted criminal fugitive on the run from a prison sentence and 15 serious outstanding court cases.

PTP should set an example - obey the law, follow all procedures, and set out policies that will win them the people's mandate. They can't because they have their own agenda, have skimmed too much through greed, and proven to be totally inept through nepotism and cronyism.

UDD/PTP/Red Shirts are no more interested in democracy, the people or the rule of real law than Stalin, Mugabe, Marcos or Hun Set.

They are either playing a big poker style bluff, seeing which side as the biggest balls, or it really is going to get very nasty. I hope the former for the sake of Thailand and its people. I suspect it may be the latter as Thaksin's mob are like rats backed into a corner. If their activities of the last 2 years are opened to public - well maybe they have to go all or nothing.

They will never run this country in anyway other than for the benefit of themselves.

I am surprised you waste such wise words on an annoying troll, Bb, but I could not agree with you more. These gutless red rats will be all piss and wind until things get nasty then they will set fire to everything that will burn then crawl back to their rat's nest and declare a huge victory. The army may well have the chance to do the country a big favor very soon, as long as the paymaster in Dubai gives the order to invade the capital, a-la 2010.

Brilliant MM, that man in Dubai again, you lot sure are shit scared of him , are'nt you. lolololol

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As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Your usual nonsense. Who decides what's "justified" a terrorist out on bail, known thug, and breaker of his bail terms countless times? A veteran communist whose idea of democracy is a one party state with self appointed people like herself as "being more equal"? Or the convicted criminal fugitive on the run from a prison sentence and 15 serious outstanding court cases.

PTP should set an example - obey the law, follow all procedures, and set out policies that will win them the people's mandate. They can't because they have their own agenda, have skimmed too much through greed, and proven to be totally inept through nepotism and cronyism.

UDD/PTP/Red Shirts are no more interested in democracy, the people or the rule of real law than Stalin, Mugabe, Marcos or Hun Set.

They are either playing a big poker style bluff, seeing which side as the biggest balls, or it really is going to get very nasty. I hope the former for the sake of Thailand and its people. I suspect it may be the latter as Thaksin's mob are like rats backed into a corner. If their activities of the last 2 years are opened to public - well maybe they have to go all or nothing.

They will never run this country in anyway other than for the benefit of themselves.

I am surprised you waste such wise words on an annoying troll, Bb, but I could not agree with you more. These gutless red rats will be all piss and wind until things get nasty then they will set fire to everything that will burn then crawl back to their rat's nest and declare a huge victory. The army may well have the chance to do the country a big favor very soon, as long as the paymaster in Dubai gives the order to invade the capital, a-la 2010.

Brilliant MM, that man in Dubai again, you lot sure are shit scared of him , are'nt you. lolololol

Who wouldn't be scared of someone as rich and powerful, with an evil black heart and nothing but total rule of Thailand on his mind, at any cost.

You may think it is funny, but I am sure that the people who have suffered because of him are not laughing. But you won't be laughing when Karma catches up with him, his rotten family, faux political party and his paid killers. Bet you don't even post comments after that day. But your kind will not be missed by many.

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Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

Yes all vote is know by advance because PT use vote buying !!!!!

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Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Those voting for PT were well aware of who was going to be made PM given a PT victory. Duh!

Actually PTP promised Thaksin would be in charge, now they're saying PTP isn't a puppet for Thaksin?! That's misleading.

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Flames and sneers aside, if I accept your logic that the party-list for MPs is actually a vote for who should be PM (which I don't), then shouldn't Samak's replacement logically have been whoever was number-2 on PPP's party-list ?

And how to justify MPs who vote for someone from another party, as PM, as often happens with a coalition ?

My point was, and remains, that there is no such thing as a "list for PM", merely a party-list for MPs.

Nobody is claiming that there is a list for PM - there isn't.

ChrisY1 obviously meant that Yingluck was number 1 on the party list and as such the parties nominee for PM and everyone knew that.

Anyone not hell bent on pushing a cause can see what he meant and wouldn't bother dishonestly veering off on a disingenuous tangent, at most they would politely correct him.

This forum is not a place for pedants, there are too many non native English speakers here to be holding everyone to too high a grammatical and spelling standard.

In a parliamentary system, the party with the majority in the lower house (the people's house) elect a PM from within their own ranks. If they so desire the can elect a new PM every week (although this would probably annoy the King as he has to sign off on a new PM).

The OP is claiming that as there are no longer any MP's it is perfectly fine for the senators to select a new PM when YL gets impeached - it's not.

Senators are not lower house MP's and unelected senators are not representative of the people, therefore under normal circumstances they have no right to elect a PM.

The anti-democratic forces have twisted and contorted the system into something unrecognisable to try and illegitimately get their way.

Their actions should be opposed by all right minded and honest individuals.

"Nobody is claiming that there is a list for PM - there isn't."

Thank you for agreeing with the point I made.

Hopefully all "right minded and honest individuals" will also see Jatuporn's threats, promising an uprising, as being equally undemocratic & crass ?

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