Yingluck calls on NACC to treat her like other politicians

Thaddeus · March 29, 2014

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Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

"My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers"

Really, my Thai friends are villagers, I see them and talk to them every day.

Most of them have very little interest in politics, and would prefer that the whole circus going on right now was towed out to sea, never to be seen again.

Your posts sound like you know the general public mood, the content however, displays otherwise.

Publicus · March 29, 2014

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

"My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers"

Really, my Thai friends are villagers, I see them and talk to them every day.

Most of them have very little interest in politics, and would prefer that the whole circus going on right now was towed out to sea, never to be seen again.

Your posts sound like you know the general public mood, the content however, displays otherwise.

The Bangkok banks have severely and shamelessly aggravated the serious complications a number of farmers presently face. There's no viable denying of the fact.

ginjag · March 29, 2014

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

"My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers"

Really, my Thai friends are villagers, I see them and talk to them every day.

Most of them have very little interest in politics, and would prefer that the whole circus going on right now was towed out to sea, never to be seen again.

Your posts sound like you know the general public mood, the content however, displays otherwise.

The Bangkok banks have severely and shamelessly aggravated the serious complications a number of farmers presently face. There's no viable denying of the fact.

Government should have paid before the S started to hit the fan----no excuse money due from September---blame the bankers. NO you ought to blame the #ankers

Publicus · March 29, 2014

"My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers"

Really, my Thai friends are villagers, I see them and talk to them every day.

Most of them have very little interest in politics, and would prefer that the whole circus going on right now was towed out to sea, never to be seen again.

Your posts sound like you know the general public mood, the content however, displays otherwise.

The Bangkok banks have severely and shamelessly aggravated the serious complications a number of farmers presently face. There's no viable denying of the fact.

Government should have paid before the S started to hit the fan----no excuse money due from September---blame the bankers. NO you ought to blame the #ankers

Same Same.

ginjag · March 29, 2014

"My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers"

Really, my Thai friends are villagers, I see them and talk to them every day.

Most of them have very little interest in politics, and would prefer that the whole circus going on right now was towed out to sea, never to be seen again.

Your posts sound like you know the general public mood, the content however, displays otherwise.

The Bangkok banks have severely and shamelessly aggravated the serious complications a number of farmers presently face. There's no viable denying of the fact.

Government should have paid before the S started to hit the fan----no excuse money due from September---blame the bankers. NO you ought to blame the #ankers

Same Same.

Same same what ???? you read my post and said this. Why didn't Yingluck pay on time September ??? any answer or Denial as per usual, or blame anyone.

dickyknee · March 29, 2014

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Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

they maybe farmers in Thailand, but I'd wager they aren't Thai farmers.

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Edited March 29, 2014 by dickyknee

scorecard · March 29, 2014

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.

And how many multi billionaire's do you know who would not do the same. She is so stupid she ran one of Thailand largest business empires. I wish I was as stupid as her.

This is Asian business, Chinese style. She was placed there as a family figurehead just like she is PM now. Crooks can't trust other crooks so they look for a not so ambitious or smart family member they can trust (control).

Or a family member who just sits in the big chair but in reality is not a leader or decision maker. In other words a fake.

Edited March 29, 2014 by scorecard

Publicus · March 29, 2014

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

they maybe farmers in Thailand, but I'd wager they aren't Thai farmers.
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Tell the EC to cease its systematic and premeditated obstructionism toward any election this year so the country can go out to vote. Let the people of 'Thailand, the Thai people, vote. No thugs at the polls. Just vote. The Thai people. Let them vote.

dickyknee · March 29, 2014

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

they maybe farmers in Thailand, but I'd wager they aren't Thai farmers.
Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app

Tell the EC to cease its systematic and premeditated obstructionism toward any election this year so the country can go out to vote. Let the people of 'Thailand, the Thai people, vote. No thugs at the polls. Just vote. The Thai people. Let them vote.

the people you describe you met and call thai farmers are staying home because they can't vote.

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Publicus · March 29, 2014

Let the Thai people vote free of fascist thugs at polling stations sent by fascist autocrats in Bangkok..

Moruya · March 29, 2014

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

they maybe farmers in Thailand, but I'd wager they aren't Thai farmers.
Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app

Tell the EC to cease its systematic and premeditated obstructionism toward any election this year so the country can go out to vote. Let the people of 'Thailand, the Thai people, vote. No thugs at the polls. Just vote. The Thai people. Let them vote.

the people you describe you met and call thai farmers are staying home because they can't vote.
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Aye lad.

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Dogmatix · March 29, 2014

The quality of PT's legal teams seems to be piss poor. They have many people claiming to be "legal experts" who regularly make pronouncements to the media interpreting the law on Constitution in a self-serving manner that often makes no legal sense. Then they claim it is not fair when the judgements go against them. The B2.2trn Borrowing Bill and the voiding of the 2 Feb elections are cases in point. There is no way the court could have ruled otherwise in either of those cases.

The mentality is the same as the first Thaksin government when they could fix and intimidate their way out of legal corners and get just about anything passed. Sorry, the times have changed and the momentum is now against you. So you need cogent legal arguments to win cases now.

In this case, the main argument they are putting forward is that they would like the NACC to postpone the case indefinitely, whereas an impeachment case against a sitting PM is obviously a priority. They disadvantaged Yingluck and made her disrespect the NACC by telling her not to bother show up to the first hearing to obtain the evidence against her but the NACC was generous enough to give her the evidence anyway and extend the time for her to respond by 15 days.

Now she will have to face the consequences of her actions (or lack of them) and the incompetence of her "legal experts".

Pimay1 · March 29, 2014

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

So let me get this straight. If you were CEO of a fortune 500 company and your sales team landed a 31 billion USD contract (estimated cost of the rice scheme), you would put Yingluck in charge of this project. You would not require a monthly or quarterly report. Every three months at the QBR meeting you would not require a PPT presentation from her detailing the progress of the project including financials, critical dates met or not, current projected revenue verses initial projections, current issues and proposed solutions. When the CFO asked for the 31 billion contract details your response would be "don't worry she is an impressive forward thinker. I compare her to a chess grandmaster".

HonestQuietBob have I made the correct analogy or have I misread your post?

DirtFarmer · March 29, 2014

I'd venture to say that if any of us was given 3 days to peruse,, and prepare to address 289 additional pages we'd be a bit miffed too I know I would... 289 pages of legalese to respond to.. but thats the plan... by the non independent agencies withhold the paper till the last minute then refuse the opportunity for redress... gimme a break... independent...? Laughable given the pedestrian way they have prosecuted things in the past... I'lll bet they are all chuckling in their noodle bowls... pathetic really

I could be wrong, but from what I read last week, this statement might be a little economical with the truth. YL may well have only had 3 days to view those documents, but that could well be down to her legal team. As part of their case for submitting the second extension request, they asked for extra time to consider the 280 +/- pages, so they must have had them at least 10 days ago. On the other hand, if YL had appeared on the day requested, I believe but may be wrong, she would have received everything there and then.

As I say, I could be wrong

If I remember correctly, if the defendant fails to attend the initial hearing then he/she has no right to the documents.

The NACC made an exception in Yingluck's case and provided the paperwork to her legal team.

If anything she has been treated more than fairly and is now doing everything she can to paint the commission black.

She is in danger of contempt

Never heard of that rule before..but you may be right... seems a bit odd as no formal indictment has been announced yet or she would have been pushed aside already..but you may know more than me... I guess the same can be said for Kuhn Suthep then for failing to appear to the office of the OAG to hear formal charges against him...? different standards...? hard to keep track here...too many unknown variables.... will try and find that rule thanks

Moruya · March 29, 2014

The quality of PT's legal teams seems to be piss poor. They have many people claiming to be "legal experts" who regularly make pronouncements to the media interpreting the law on Constitution in a self-serving manner that often makes no legal sense. Then they claim it is not fair when the judgements go against them. The B2.2trn Borrowing Bill and the voiding of the 2 Feb elections are cases in point. There is no way the court could have ruled otherwise in either of those cases.

The mentality is the same as the first Thaksin government when they could fix and intimidate their way out of legal corners and get just about anything passed. Sorry, the times have changed and the momentum is now against you. So you need cogent legal arguments to win cases now.

In this case, the main argument they are putting forward is that they would like the NACC to postpone the case indefinitely, whereas an impeachment case against a sitting PM is obviously a priority. They disadvantaged Yingluck and made her disrespect the NACC by telling her not to bother show up to the first hearing to obtain the evidence against her but the NACC was generous enough to give her the evidence anyway and extend the time for her to respond by 15 days.

Now she will have to face the consequences of her actions (or lack of them) and the incompetence of her "legal experts".

That's all very true.

In fact half their legal team has either been imprisoned or should be.

Nopadon for trying to sell off part of Thailand to Hun Sen and the Pastry Box Boy who has served his sentence.

The amnesty bill was a disaster too

Long may the team continue it's role.

Goat Roper · March 29, 2014

I'd venture to say that if any of us was given 3 days to peruse,, and prepare to address 289 additional pages we'd be a bit miffed too I know I would... 289 pages of legalese to respond to.. but thats the plan... by the non independent agencies withhold the paper till the last minute then refuse the opportunity for redress... gimme a break... independent...? Laughable given the pedestrian way they have prosecuted things in the past... I'lll bet they are all chuckling in their noodle bowls... pathetic really

I could be wrong, but from what I read last week, this statement might be a little economical with the truth. YL may well have only had 3 days to view those documents, but that could well be down to her legal team. As part of their case for submitting the second extension request, they asked for extra time to consider the 280 +/- pages, so they must have had them at least 10 days ago. On the other hand, if YL had appeared on the day requested, I believe but may be wrong, she would have received everything there and then.

As I say, I could be wrong

If I remember correctly, if the defendant fails to attend the initial hearing then he/she has no right to the documents.

The NACC made an exception in Yingluck's case and provided the paperwork to her legal team.

If anything she has been treated more than fairly and is now doing everything she can to paint the commission black.

She is in danger of contempt

Never heard of that rule before..but you may be right... seems a bit odd as no formal indictment has been announced yet or she would have been pushed aside already..but you may know more than me... I guess the same can be said for Kuhn Suthep then for failing to appear to the office of the OAG to hear formal charges against him...? different standards...? hard to keep track here...too many unknown variables.... will try and find that rule thanks

What do you not understand the difference between YL and Mr. Suthep? YL is the Prime Minister and should be held to a higher standard.

Moruya · March 29, 2014

Ombudsman - still waiting for an explanation on Thaksin's passport

NACC - attacked, abused and blocked by red shirts

Constitution Court - PTP fail to recognize authority. Judges names and phone numbers passed out to red shirts for abuse

Election Commission - Abused by PTP and red shirts

Criminal Court - accused of bias by Thaksin

Respect is a 2 way street Yingluck - and you're in the wrong lane

robblok · March 29, 2014

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To be treated like other politicians , like these two for example?

BANGKOK, 1 November 2013

Former prime minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva, and former deputy prime minister, Suthep Thaugsuban, have officially acknowledged the charges brought by the attorney general against them regarding the 2010 protest crackdown. However, the Office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has pushed for an investigation to impeach the two from their political office.

Despite murder charges already being brought against Mr. Abhisit and Mr. Suthep by the attorney general, the NACC has decided to push for the two to be relieved of their political positions under the charges of abusing their power in office.

The NACC claimed it is using its power as an independent entity under Section 250 of the constitution to bring charges against the former prime minister and his former deputy prime minister. It found the duo used unlawful orders allowing the military to use real ammunitions to disperse political mobs in 2010, causing deaths to 99 people and injuries to 1,000 others.

http://thaifinancialpost.com/2013/11/01/nacc-pushes-for-an-investigation-to-impeach-abhisit-and-suthep-from-office/

Just how is that impeachment process going, you know, the one about the abuse of authority that resulted in people losing not money, but their lives? Anybody heard about the progress - Did anybody know it is/was happening?

Have they fast tracked it and it passed us by?

Yingluck informed of Investigation into Rice Price Pledging - 31st January 2014, Yes, one could be forgiven for thinking that Yingluck has a point that there may be some sort of double standard being applied here.

It's been said a million time times fab4 that the investigation started over one year ago, but you continue to post dates etc., which are ultimately untruthful and just your attempt to convince others things which are untrue.

Shame on you.

It would undoubtedly be true that her legal team or whoever would have been following this for more than a year and would be well aware of the facts / details / documentation or whatever which has been progressively studied.

If none of her minions were following in fact following it then they should have been.

Any suggestion the NACC was able to keep their investigations totally secret is a joke, walls have ears as they say.

On the other hand perhaps who could share your overall thoughts about the rice scam, the fact that it's finances don't add up with billions in shortfalls, and the fact that a million poor / very poor farmers have not been and appear to have possibly been silenced, and some 13 indebted farmers have now committed suicide.

Perhaps you could also comment on her claims that she was just the top of the tree and had no control over the implementers of the scam.

I've told you a million times before, don't exaggerate. And don't call me a liar without being very sure of yourself.

Regardless of whether the rice "case has been investigated for one year or three years or 20 years, Yingluck was informed that she was going to be investigated as well on 31st January 2014. So you can retract the liar tag - I'm getting a bit peed off by the lowlifes flinging around liar accusations.

Fab,

I thought you were smart.. but obviously not. She chaired the rice scam. Why would she not be investigated quite normal in my book.

But if all was above board she would have had no problems proving it. Also she could have gone in person and have gotten all the data herself but she did not. Her mistake not the NACC.

Publicus · March 29, 2014

The quality of PT's legal teams seems to be piss poor. They have many people claiming to be "legal experts" who regularly make pronouncements to the media interpreting the law on Constitution in a self-serving manner that often makes no legal sense. Then they claim it is not fair when the judgements go against them. The B2.2trn Borrowing Bill and the voiding of the 2 Feb elections are cases in point. There is no way the court could have ruled otherwise in either of those cases.

The mentality is the same as the first Thaksin government when they could fix and intimidate their way out of legal corners and get just about anything passed. Sorry, the times have changed and the momentum is now against you. So you need cogent legal arguments to win cases now.

In this case, the main argument they are putting forward is that they would like the NACC to postpone the case indefinitely, whereas an impeachment case against a sitting PM is obviously a priority. They disadvantaged Yingluck and made her disrespect the NACC by telling her not to bother show up to the first hearing to obtain the evidence against her but the NACC was generous enough to give her the evidence anyway and extend the time for her to respond by 15 days.

Now she will have to face the consequences of her actions (or lack of them) and the incompetence of her "legal experts".

Chalerm got Article 181 right, that the constitution says the PM needs to be elected not later than 30 days after the sitting of a parliament. TVF constitutional experts had unsuccessfully contented otherwise.

TVF constitutional experts also got it wrong in their citing of Article 68, Article 127 and Section 7, each of 'em, all of 'em, all four.

TVF legal and constitutional master analysts should not quit their present jobs.

fab4 · March 29, 2014

Fab,

I thought you were smart.. but obviously not. She chaired the rice scam. Why would she not be investigated quite normal in my book.

But if all was above board she would have had no problems proving it. Also she could have gone in person and have gotten all the data herself but she did not. Her mistake not the NACC.

Let the PM explain

My work as Prime Minister and also as Chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee is done at the policy level. While at the operational level, the implementation of the Rice Pledging Scheme requires the establishment of a framework, steps, and procedures by government agencies and officials in accordance with the policy direction given.

The government system of work has its own standards and regulations; therefore my work at the policy level does not have the authority to directly operate, order, or overrule the work of government officials in anyway. The implementation of projects involved with a policy must be in accordance with a Cabinet Resolution and must be based on Government Policy as announced to the House of Representatives, stipulated in Articles 171 and 178 of the Constitution of Thailand. I have always been aware that government work and private sector work must be based on such principles and with clear delegation of duties so that there is accountability in all related issues and accountability in each procedure.

Therefore, as there will be an announcement over the investigations into myself and although I have not been involved at the operational level, but nevertheless as I am being accused, I am compelled to exercise my rights within judicial procedures and therefore ask to examine the evidence and witnesses, in accordance with my rights in the judicial procedure as guaranteed by the Constitution of Thailand, so that I can correctly explain such accusations that I have not been involved in any wrongdoing to the NACC.

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/media-center/3756/43635-Prime-Minister-Yingluck-Shinawatra's-Statemen.html

rubl · March 29, 2014

No idea what the status is, but with the DSI having convinced the OAG to charge the duo as private persons, it would seem that a charge of abusing their power in office has been ruled out.

No, it doesn't. If you read the link you would have understood that the NACC are supposed to be "pushing" the charges of abuse of power despite or alongside of the DSI charges. Of course that miscomprehension could have been deliberate because you did not want to acknowledge that the NACC are actually "pushing" Yinglucks abuse of power whilst nothing is being done wrt the suthep/abhisit case which was announced would be investigated 3 months earlier. No fast track for them.

That is why Yingluck would like to be treated like other politicians being investigated by the NACC. Just blatant.

Oh boy, insistent aren't you.

The NACC had been sidestepped by the DSI/AOG and you complain about unfair treatment of Yingluck?

BTW

2013-10-29

"The former premier said he and Mr Suthep acted and made their commands in the 2010 protest in their capacities as state authorities and they should, instead, be investigated by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC).

The Attorney General said yesterday that it was empowered to indict Mr Abhisit and Mr Suthep without having to go through the NACC’s investigative procedure.

The Democrat leader expressed suspicion on the Attorney General’s indictment without including the case of the armed men in black who were allegedly involved in the case.

He said the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) was not empowered to file lawsuits against them since they performed their duties as state officials."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/678007-abhisit-suthep-set-to-sue-public-prosecutor/

2014-03-24

"The Criminal Court on Monday asked the National Anti-Corruption Commission to submit its opinion in its probes against former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva related to 2010 crackdowns on red shirts."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/713349-court-seeks-opinion-of-nacc-in-red-shirt-crackdown-cases-against-abhisit/

robblok · March 29, 2014

Fab,

I thought you were smart.. but obviously not. She chaired the rice scam. Why would she not be investigated quite normal in my book.

But if all was above board she would have had no problems proving it. Also she could have gone in person and have gotten all the data herself but she did not. Her mistake not the NACC.

Let the PM explain

My work as Prime Minister and also as Chairperson of the National Rice Policy Committee is done at the policy level. While at the operational level, the implementation of the Rice Pledging Scheme requires the establishment of a framework, steps, and procedures by government agencies and officials in accordance with the policy direction given.

The government system of work has its own standards and regulations; therefore my work at the policy level does not have the authority to directly operate, order, or overrule the work of government officials in anyway. The implementation of projects involved with a policy must be in accordance with a Cabinet Resolution and must be based on Government Policy as announced to the House of Representatives, stipulated in Articles 171 and 178 of the Constitution of Thailand. I have always been aware that government work and private sector work must be based on such principles and with clear delegation of duties so that there is accountability in all related issues and accountability in each procedure.

Therefore, as there will be an announcement over the investigations into myself and although I have not been involved at the operational level, but nevertheless as I am being accused, I am compelled to exercise my rights within judicial procedures and therefore ask to examine the evidence and witnesses, in accordance with my rights in the judicial procedure as guaranteed by the Constitution of Thailand, so that I can correctly explain such accusations that I have not been involved in any wrongdoing to the NACC.

Let me explain how it goes in the real world, if you chair something and if your the PM then the buck stops there. I have never heard a CEO say yes i chaired it but im not responsible.

But your a bit red sighted i know so even basic truths of people who chair and lead projects are end responsible will not be understood by you. But let me tell you this in the normal world if you lead or head something and especially if you are the PM your end responsible. I might have excused her if she did not chair this scam but she chaired it.

SICHONSTEVE · March 29, 2014

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

You have seriously lost the plot ...

I don't think that he has ever discovered it!!

tingtongteesood · March 29, 2014

Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

So if the Democrats win the election it will be a 'force majeure' not the will of the people and presumably the justification for the return of the men-in black?

You are trying to divert the discussion I began by introducing a new element that has nothing to do with what I posted, i.e., Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith.

If you can't comprehend it, my point is that the DP as it is, and showing no signs of reforming itself so it could win an election, would need an extraordinary windfall of votes to win any general election in the foreseeable future. The DP often gets 30% to 35% of the popular vote, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. This is an insufficient plurality of the multi-party vote in a GE to become the first choice for the privilege of trying to form a coalition government.

You know, the men in yellow.

It isn't that people can't comprehend what you write, it's just that a great many people are bored of the broken records of spin, propaganda and lies that comes constantly from red sheeple such as yourself. 'Coup, fascists, can never win an election' etc.. Time to change the record.

Publicus · March 29, 2014

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

So if the Democrats win the election it will be a 'force majeure' not the will of the people and presumably the justification for the return of the men-in black?

You are trying to divert the discussion I began by introducing a new element that has nothing to do with what I posted, i.e., Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith.

If you can't comprehend it, my point is that the DP as it is, and showing no signs of reforming itself so it could win an election, would need an extraordinary windfall of votes to win any general election in the foreseeable future. The DP often gets 30% to 35% of the popular vote, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. This is an insufficient plurality of the multi-party vote in a GE to become the first choice for the privilege of trying to form a coalition government.

You know, the men in yellow.

It isn't that people can't comprehend what you write, it's just that a great many people are bored of the broken records of spin, propaganda and lies that comes constantly from red sheeple such as yourself. 'Coup, fascists, can never win an election' etc.. Time to change the record.

Each side has been making the same points and arguments for months on end. Your post accuses only one side or poster of making the same arguments and is therefore short sighted and compartmentalized, and it obliviously ignores the repetitive nature of most threads and posts over the past several months. You therefore presume wrongly that you can single out one poster or side as repetitive. Most posters are pretty weary of hearing the same nonsense from the posters on the other side, which ever side one happens to be on.

Just as you can't politicize corruption when everyone in the system is corrupt, neither can you criticize redundancy of argument when each side and so many posters at TVF are engaged in it. One name of what you have fallen into is intellectual myopia. There are other names for it too.

givenall · March 29, 2014

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.
"what an absolute moron this woman is...etc., etc."
Wow, PAD-Dem-speak to the extreme.

I love it when they come up with this stuff, but shake in their flip-flops facing her in an election.

it is also good that those spewing this vitriol sympathise with an electoral minority that is afraid of Parliament. In Parliament they are seated according to their electoral strength, and they become as irrelevant as this quote.

Warms the cockles of my heart.

Just treat her like brother. May she will join her brother in Dubai.

Sent from my C1904 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

tingtongteesood · March 29, 2014

So if the Democrats win the election it will be a 'force majeure' not the will of the people and presumably the justification for the return of the men-in black?

You are trying to divert the discussion I began by introducing a new element that has nothing to do with what I posted, i.e., Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith.

If you can't comprehend it, my point is that the DP as it is, and showing no signs of reforming itself so it could win an election, would need an extraordinary windfall of votes to win any general election in the foreseeable future. The DP often gets 30% to 35% of the popular vote, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. This is an insufficient plurality of the multi-party vote in a GE to become the first choice for the privilege of trying to form a coalition government.

You know, the men in yellow.

It isn't that people can't comprehend what you write, it's just that a great many people are bored of the broken records of spin, propaganda and lies that comes constantly from red sheeple such as yourself. 'Coup, fascists, can never win an election' etc.. Time to change the record.

Each side has been making the same points and arguments for months on end. Your post accuses only one side or poster of making the same arguments and is therefore short sighted and compartmentalized, and it obliviously ignores the repetitive nature of most threads and posts over the past several months. You therefore presume wrongly that you can single out one poster or side as repetitive. Most posters are pretty weary of hearing the same nonsense from the posters on the other side, which ever side one happens to be on.

Just as you can't politicize corruption when everyone in the system is corrupt, neither can you criticize redundancy of argument when each side and so many posters at TVF are engaged in it. One name of what you have fallen into is intellectual myopia. There are other names for it too.

intellectual myopia ? Speak for yourself, I have no such problem. Only problem I have is an allergy to lies and bs ( if you would call that a problem ) and a case of righteous indignation every time I read those lies and bs from people such as yourself. ...And not singling you out specifically hence my mentioning the red sheeple in general as I did.

Dogmatix · March 29, 2014

The quality of PT's legal teams seems to be piss poor. They have many people claiming to be "legal experts" who regularly make pronouncements to the media interpreting the law on Constitution in a self-serving manner that often makes no legal sense. Then they claim it is not fair when the judgements go against them. The B2.2trn Borrowing Bill and the voiding of the 2 Feb elections are cases in point. There is no way the court could have ruled otherwise in either of those cases.

The mentality is the same as the first Thaksin government when they could fix and intimidate their way out of legal corners and get just about anything passed. Sorry, the times have changed and the momentum is now against you. So you need cogent legal arguments to win cases now.

In this case, the main argument they are putting forward is that they would like the NACC to postpone the case indefinitely, whereas an impeachment case against a sitting PM is obviously a priority. They disadvantaged Yingluck and made her disrespect the NACC by telling her not to bother show up to the first hearing to obtain the evidence against her but the NACC was generous enough to give her the evidence anyway and extend the time for her to respond by 15 days.

Now she will have to face the consequences of her actions (or lack of them) and the incompetence of her "legal experts".

Chalerm got Article 181 right, that the constitution says the PM needs to be elected not later than 30 days after the sitting of a parliament. TVF constitutional experts had unsuccessfully contented otherwise.

TVF constitutional experts also got it wrong in their citing of Article 68, Article 127 and Section 7, each of 'em, all of 'em, all four.

TVF legal and constitutional master analysts should not quit their present jobs.

I wonder why she doesn't get Dr Chalerm to defend her then. Or is he hoping she will be indicted and he can step up to be acting caretaker PM?

Publicus · March 29, 2014

The quality of PT's legal teams seems to be piss poor. They have many people claiming to be "legal experts" who regularly make pronouncements to the media interpreting the law on Constitution in a self-serving manner that often makes no legal sense. Then they claim it is not fair when the judgements go against them. The B2.2trn Borrowing Bill and the voiding of the 2 Feb elections are cases in point. There is no way the court could have ruled otherwise in either of those cases.

The mentality is the same as the first Thaksin government when they could fix and intimidate their way out of legal corners and get just about anything passed. Sorry, the times have changed and the momentum is now against you. So you need cogent legal arguments to win cases now.

In this case, the main argument they are putting forward is that they would like the NACC to postpone the case indefinitely, whereas an impeachment case against a sitting PM is obviously a priority. They disadvantaged Yingluck and made her disrespect the NACC by telling her not to bother show up to the first hearing to obtain the evidence against her but the NACC was generous enough to give her the evidence anyway and extend the time for her to respond by 15 days.

Now she will have to face the consequences of her actions (or lack of them) and the incompetence of her "legal experts".

Chalerm got Article 181 right, that the constitution says the PM needs to be elected not later than 30 days after the sitting of a parliament. TVF constitutional experts had unsuccessfully contented otherwise.

TVF constitutional experts also got it wrong in their citing of Article 68, Article 127 and Section 7, each of 'em, all of 'em, all four.

TVF legal and constitutional master analysts should not quit their present jobs.

I wonder why she doesn't get Dr Chalerm to defend her then. Or is he hoping she will be indicted and he can step up to be acting caretaker PM?

You're one of the self-appointed TVF legal beagles and crack political analysts so why don't you take a shot at it. After all it's your own question. I couldn't care less about it myself. Or you might try ask.com website.

Dogmatix · March 29, 2014

With this quality of defence, e.g. "why am I allowed to jump the queue of other corrupt politicians" and "I don't like the evidence the NACC has compiled", she will definitely be indicted. One can imagine what kind of drivel her lawyers will submit in her defence. Perhaps they are the same team that writes her Facebook page and advises her to wear a ban bomb symbol (despite her hired bombers) and pretend to need a wheel chair.

Nevertheless she can hire Dr Chalerm to lead her defence in the Senate and later in the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders.

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