Thailand's 'red shirts' gear up for a fight

[Smokemachine]

So the red shirts will come out fighting irrespective of any evidence that implicates yinglick. Even if the evidence is irrefutable and the NACC have absolutely no choice, but to find her guilty the red shirts won't respect that verdict and come out fighting. They say that yingluck is their democratically elected PM which is 100% correct, but does that mean she can act with impunity. Impunity is a word aptly used to describe the red shirts, not the PM. So the red shirts are really saying we don't care if she is guilty or not we will come out fighting. They are fighting not for, but against the democratic framework that is used throughout the world that hold people accountable…Don't forget that this is in the context that there is irrefutable evidence against yingluck.

They are fighting for democracy yet after the NACC ruling the case goes through the senate. Again we have the democratic pathway being exercised and due process being shown. This is all done democratically, but the red shirts don't like this democratic framework, they don't like this form of democracy so they will amass a street gang of 200 000 people with access to 10 million weapons to disrupt this democratic system to ensure they can have there elected, no matter if guilty or not, PM running the country.

Do the red shirts suggest Thailand turn their back on crime? How about giving the PM carte blanche to commit any crimes while Thailand and the rule of law turn a blind eye. Maybe the rule of lw should only be applied to DEM's and the PDRC and not the red shirts or the PTP. That is red democracy. They were falling all over themselves and salivating like rabid dogs (pun intended) when they thought the amnesty was going to absolve them, but stopped dead in their tracks when they knew the opposition would be absolved. They don't mind unaccountability if it involves them. Anyone else though is just not an option.

So show your true colors red shirts and bring our your street gang to fight against the principles of democracy and remember that even if the evidence is absolutely irrefutable the world will be watching you disrespect the rule of law and revolting in a bloody brutal armed terrorist uprising that I am sure the US ambassador will see as violent as opposed to the peaceful PDRC protests she described last week.

When you have 2 accused terrorists running the brutal terrorist organization then the outcome is already predetermined. They thrive on violence.

The below is an indication of the respect they have for principles.

"United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), say they are mustering recruits to be sent for military-style training"

UDD principle #3. To promote non-violence as our modus operandi for all activities.

Who would have thought a terrorist organization would have had principles and if they did is it any surprise that they break them…NO

Democracy is about letting a government voted by the majority govern. Now if you are so confident the majority of the people are anti the current government, then support an election. If not stop posting your inane drivel about red this and red that. I myself am confident that the PTP will win any election whether now or in 1 years time. That is of course provided they are allowed to vote.

Of course they will win again. Look at the red shirts. Does they really care about what is a Democracy?

Does they care what has the PTP done? WHat has the PM done?

No, they couldn't care less. All they know is they are gonna protect the Thaksin regime and keep voting for them regardless of any other things.

Even the NACC has solid evidence impeaching the prime minister, the red shirts couldn't care less.

They couldn't care less about the courts, rule of laws, integrity, responsibility, checks and balances.

Democracy is about letting a government voted by the majority govern.

So this is all about Democracy.

Vote and the majority win, that it?

[oldsailor35]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

A functioning democracy would not be run by an criminal fugitive and his family. In a real democracy a PM this useless would have been eaten alive by the media and sacked by her own party long ago. Probably wouldn't have been replaced by a relative, either.

Thailand cannot become a functioning democracy until rule of law is sorted out and that's got to start at the top.

Yeah ! In a real functioning democracy, the trumped up charges against Thaksin would never have survived. They would have been eaten alive by the media and long ago thrown out.

[oldsailor35]

To compare Democracy & Driving, the Election is like the Driving Test. If you 'Pass', then you're allowed to drive. The other elements of Democracy

are the 'Rules of the Road' or the 'Highway Code'. If you break those rules then you'll be Sanctioned, Banned or Imprisoned depending on the severity of the breach. I fear that no matter what evidence is presented by the NACC, if Yingluck is found 'Guilty' then the verdict will not be accepted by her supporters and they'll surely cry 'Foul'.

As a side note ... In terms of Driving, Thailand now ranks second to last in the world's 'Fatalities per Capita' listing behind only Namibia.

Yes and they only count the fatalities at the scene of the accident . Think about that, where is Thailand now.

[Ricardo]

[Why didn't Rambo act when their democratically elected prime minister Samak was kicked out by the Chiang Mai elite in favor of the Chiang Mai elite's Somchai? Double Standards?

Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Samak kicked out as PM by the Demorcats over a cooking TV show...Chiangmai elite ?????

No, Samak had problems in court over lying about not being paid for the show, nothing to do with the Dems, but could reasonably have been expecting his own party PPP to re-nominate him as PM again. After all he had led PPP through the December-2007 election, saying that a vote for him was a vote for Thaksin,

However the party-executive decided to nominate Somchai instead, who just happened to be married to Thaksin's sister, truly an "Et Tu Brute" moment in the history of TRT/PPP/PTP. Red democracy in action, and perhaps a legal coup, in its own way !

Hence the reference to the Chiang Mai (or Shin) elite is broadly correct.

But PM-Somchai had a fairly-short time in-power, before his party was dissolved by the courts & Newin's faction defected, and the Dems were able to acquire sufficient support to form the next coalition-government.

Some might think this helps explain why Yingluck's PTP formed a coalition in July-2011, even though they already had a slight overall-majority on their own, it being an attempt to block anything similar recurring this time round.

Edited March 31, 2014 by Ricardo

[oldsailor35]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

As usual, GK spewing out misinformation, and your twisted ideal's of a democracy shows bright.

Your princess isnt being charged with corruption, she is being charged with dereliction of duty. Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam.

I read the two charges; I) abuse of power causing corruption, which is the charge that can result in her impeachment and ii) malfeasance.

The NACC at the prodding of its political masters have sought to tarnish and destroy the prime minister by accusing her of being responsible for corruption, which I understand in Thai law is one and the same. It is no different than a person who facilitates a capital crime, being charged with that capital crime. The NACC haven't got a pot to piss in when it comes to actually proving that the PM profited from the rice pledging program. instead, they will attempt to kill her with a thousand pinpricks. The PM is a lot tougher than the NACC understands or any foreign hater assumes. She is squeaky clean on this and has never ever taken any monies in an unlawful manner nor has she aided or abetted any corruption. This is a politically motivated frame up, pure and simple.

Yes i agree, and the same applies for Abisit, however it has been proved again and again that the same cannot be said for Suthep, he is the master of corruption.

[DK2223]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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Edited March 31, 2014 by DK2223

[tingtongteesood]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

Actually in a properly functioning democracy, the fugitive in Dubai would rightly never have been allowed any input and his party of crooks would never have been allowed to run in the election if it were known ( as it was here ) that he was in charge. In a properly functioning democracy, the moment it was found he was in charge, all under him would have been removed. Yingluck is a useless lump and in a properly functioning democracy the people would never accept her as the leader of the country, it is completely laughable ! Thailand does not have democracy despite all the bs that comes from politicians and the cronies. If the Shin clan and cronies stopped pillaging the country of assets and let someone honest who is interested in the good of the country and its people take the top seat, Thailand could be a much better place for all.

[Bakseeda]

I've got my stockpiled dried rations and emergency medicines, in readiness for more of these "democratic" actions. And attending my prayer group almost daily, in the hopes that no more people will be injured or killed in this pointless circle of belligerency.

Well bloody good for you... I have my stockpile of Single Malts, lots of Gin for afternoons, plenty and more plenty of Shweppes tonic... and this pointless circle of belligerency, is where the fun begins.... Bring in the Army.... Rock on Thailand... if I knew you were coming I'd have baked a cake...

[BestBitterPhuket]

The NACC will be held responsible if they make a hasty, biased decision. The rice scheme is ill-conceived and wasteful but it was clearly stated as an election promise. It must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there is clear evidence of corruption and that Yingluck could have been reasonably expected to be aware of it. The US farm subsidy, EU CAP policy, Japanese gentan policy and many others around the world are based on flawed economic reasoning, riddled with bureacracy, and waste billions of taxpayers money, but they are not reason to topple the governments or leaders. Another politically influenced decision by the NACC will incense the govt supporters who have understandably had enough of being disenfranchised.

And if the corruption evidence is clear, will the red shirts accept this? Yingluck may well have not been involved in benefitting from the scam, but she may well have turned a blind eye and it did happen on her watch.

As a Prime Minister you have certain responsibilities and must take the heat if a thing on this scale happens during your time in office, just like any other democracy.

Do you think democratically Governments should just ignore balances and checks, court rulings and investigations just because they don't like them? Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

But when red shirts are fed propoganda that any investigations or decisions that are against them are all politically motivated then what chance does this country have of moving forward? They say they want democracy but only when it suits them.

Looks to the rest of us that red shirt supporters think their rulers can do and get away with anything they want and wish and saying a big hell to ethics, laws and rules.

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...and if she is not guilty of corruption or willful mismanagement, then you and the other fanatics will accept her as a prime minister? Of course not. You will just concoct and fabricate some other accusation. Edited March 31, 2014 by BestBitterPhuket

[oldsailor35]

[Why didn't Rambo act when their democratically elected prime minister Samak was kicked out by the Chiang Mai elite in favor of the Chiang Mai elite's Somchai? Double Standards?

Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Samak kicked out as PM by the Demorcats over a cooking TV show...Chiangmai elite ?????

No, Samak had problems in court over lying about not being paid for the show, nothing to do with the Dems, but could reasonably have been expecting his own party PPP to re-nominate him as PM again. After all he had led PPP through the December-2007 election, saying that a vote for him was a vote for Thaksin,

However the party-executive decided to nominate Somchai instead, who just happened to be married to Thaksin's sister, truly an "Et Tu Brute" moment in the history of TRT/PPP/PTP. Red democracy in action, and perhaps a legal coup, in its own way !

Hence the reference to the Chiang Mai (or Shin) elite is broadly correct.

But PM-Somchai had a fairly-short time in-power, before his party was dissolved by the courts & Newin's faction defected, and the Dems were able to acquire sufficient support to form the next coalition-government.

Some might think this helps explain why Yingluck's PTP formed a coalition in July-2011, even though they already had a slight overall-majority on their own, it being an attempt to block anything similar recurring this time round.

Did that "sufficient support" come through the ballot box ?

[Thaddeus]

[Why didn't Rambo act when their democratically elected prime minister Samak was kicked out by the Chiang Mai elite in favor of the Chiang Mai elite's Somchai? Double Standards?

Correct me if I am wrong, wasn't Samak kicked out as PM by the Demorcats over a cooking TV show...Chiangmai elite ?????

He wasn't kicked out by the Democrats.

He was removed from office with the stated reason of a conflict of interests i.e. having a second job.

The underlying reason was that Thaksin was losing his control over him, or so he felt.

It was Thaksins wish that he went, and at that time, what Thaksin wanted, Thaksin got.

And, this is not the topic at hand.

Edited March 31, 2014 by Thaddeus

[Scamper]

Suporn and the UDD leaders are talking in such an openly combative way that they seem to be preparing for a civil war. And yet the clearly threatening rhetoric is always moderated for the cameras to a degree that at least " seeks " to make it appear less threatening - though considering the UDD's past history - to a point that more than strains credulity, and even inspires the occasional guffaw from time to time. They no longer seem to feel that they will be victorious over the judicial system if they are merely armed with " intellectual weapons ". ( They must have taken an inventory and realized they didn't have any ). Now apparently, Suporn and the other of the selected few have decided instead to take a martial arts crash course - the one that promises to take a notice to the level of Bruce Lee in three days or double your money back.

If however, this is just talk, and the " intellectual weapons " and the Bruce Lee transformations are just phooey, and the UDD bring real weapons and armed training camps - then as the army states in this article - they will very definitely have to do something about that. The objective of the UDD is to shut down this judicial inquiry. Period. The objective of the UDD is therefore to thwart the constitutional process. The army is sworn to protect the constitutional process. The UDD want a society where checks and balances don't exist. The army - and Thais - cannot allow that to happen.

If Yingluck doesn't show up today at the NACC, Pheu Thai may not think much of it, and may shrug it off. But what she will have done is left her office and the responsibilities inherent with it and assumed instead a role as heroine of the UDD. She has shown much more flare with the later than she has with the former, anyway.

[Pimay1]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

As usual, GK spewing out misinformation, and your twisted ideal's of a democracy shows bright.

Your princess isnt being charged with corruption, she is being charged with dereliction of duty. Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam.

As usual, DM spewing out misinformation, "Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam." the courts have to prove that Y/L DID know about the corruption and by who and did nothing to stop it and allowed it to continue, if that proves true then yes she would be negligent, is it possible that corrupt behavior and information was being withheld from her? or could it be that she was in the process of trying to stop it?

Regardless, of the facts, it seems you have made your guilty verdict, negligence and corruption within a policy happens around the world in some of the most democratic and open governments, If and when a politician has been found to be negligent they are publicly exposed, possibly moved to a lesser portfolio, or moved to a back bench, and worst case is removed from that party,

The rice pledging scheme was implemented to help the farmers get a better price for their product something many governments do, secondly it was to help put an end to the rice millers price fixing scams, and blatantly ripping off the farmers, Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper

I think the rice pledging scheme was executed exactly as planned but there were two fatal flaws in the scheme. The people who were supposed to benefit the most did i.e. millers, transport companies, rich and middle income farmers and certain politicians. While at the same time throwing the 18% of poor farmers, "table scraps" as it were. The campaign promise of the PTP was we will by farmers' rice at 15,000 Baht per ton. As always the devil is in the details and these farmers had no idea what the details were. All they knew was if PTP wins I can sell my rice for 15,000 Baht a ton.

The first fatal flaw was PTP thinking they could control world rice market price. They would hold the rice in warehouses, cutting off exports to the rest of the world. The sudden shortage from the world’s number one rice exporter would cause a spike in global prices. Then, payday for the government as it swung open the warehouse doors and sold its stockpile to the world at a premium. Exactly one week after Thailand slashed exports, India lifted its export ban, flooding the market with 10 millions tons of rice. Rice traders all over Asia were calling PTP fools for thinking they could pull this off.

The second fatal flaw which was also by design, was keeping the populace in the dark concerning the actual ongoing cost of the scheme verses revenue generated by rice exports. There were nothing but lies from the beginning until now. Fake G to G contracts, false MOUs and false revenue statements. Sure they fooled some of the people all of the time and are still fooling them. But the right people started asking the right questions which produced more lies and finally exposed their deceit.

And then the real kicker happened. Parliament was dissolved without PTP making provisions to pay farmers who had been waiting since October 2013 for their promised payments.

The PTP is learning the hard way that Sir Walter Scott was correct when he said "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive".

[petedk]

The NACC will be held responsible if they make a hasty, biased decision. The rice scheme is ill-conceived and wasteful but it was clearly stated as an election promise. It must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there is clear evidence of corruption and that Yingluck could have been reasonably expected to be aware of it. The US farm subsidy, EU CAP policy, Japanese gentan policy and many others around the world are based on flawed economic reasoning, riddled with bureacracy, and waste billions of taxpayers money, but they are not reason to topple the governments or leaders. Another politically influenced decision by the NACC will incense the govt supporters who have understandably had enough of being disenfranchised.

Yingluck is NOT being charged with corruption. The NACC said in an earlier statement that they didn't have evidence of corruption.

She is being charged with "dereliction of duty" for failing to stop the damage caused by the scheme.

She had been warned to stop the scheme or put the rate down many times by experts but continued to disregard their advice in order to please the farmers.

[petedk]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

[aussieinthailand]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

As usual, GK spewing out misinformation, and your twisted ideal's of a democracy shows bright.

Your princess isnt being charged with corruption, she is being charged with dereliction of duty. Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam.

As usual, DM spewing out misinformation, "Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam." the courts have to prove that Y/L DID know about the corruption and by who and did nothing to stop it and allowed it to continue, if that proves true then yes she would be negligent, is it possible that corrupt behavior and information was being withheld from her? or could it be that she was in the process of trying to stop it?

Regardless, of the facts, it seems you have made your guilty verdict, negligence and corruption within a policy happens around the world in some of the most democratic and open governments, If and when a politician has been found to be negligent they are publicly exposed, possibly moved to a lesser portfolio, or moved to a back bench, and worst case is removed from that party,

The rice pledging scheme was implemented to help the farmers get a better price for their product something many governments do, secondly it was to help put an end to the rice millers price fixing scams, and blatantly ripping off the farmers, Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

I hope Yinglucks legal team does a better job in her defense than what you just laid out.

Well I don't claim to be a defense lawyer, and yeah I hope they do also,

But I would think if YL can show one instance of trying to stop the corruption then she would be not negligent but in the process of stopping corruption therefor doing her job. It's up to the court to prove she had full knowledge and choose to do nothing and to knowing let corruption continue without any action taken, then that would be negligent...

[northernjohn]

So the red shirts will come out fighting irrespective of any evidence that implicates yinglick. Even if the evidence is irrefutable and the NACC have absolutely no choice, but to find her guilty the red shirts won't respect that verdict and come out fighting. They say that yingluck is their democratically elected PM which is 100% correct, but does that mean she can act with impunity. Impunity is a word aptly used to describe the red shirts, not the PM. So the red shirts are really saying we don't care if she is guilty or not we will come out fighting. They are fighting not for, but against the democratic framework that is used throughout the world that hold people accountable…Don't forget that this is in the context that there is irrefutable evidence against yingluck.

They are fighting for democracy yet after the NACC ruling the case goes through the senate. Again we have the democratic pathway being exercised and due process being shown. This is all done democratically, but the red shirts don't like this democratic framework, they don't like this form of democracy so they will amass a street gang of 200 000 people with access to 10 million weapons to disrupt this democratic system to ensure they can have there elected, no matter if guilty or not, PM running the country.

Do the red shirts suggest Thailand turn their back on crime? How about giving the PM carte blanche to commit any crimes while Thailand and the rule of law turn a blind eye. Maybe the rule of lw should only be applied to DEM's and the PDRC and not the red shirts or the PTP. That is red democracy. They were falling all over themselves and salivating like rabid dogs (pun intended) when they thought the amnesty was going to absolve them, but stopped dead in their tracks when they knew the opposition would be absolved. They don't mind unaccountability if it involves them. Anyone else though is just not an option.

So show your true colors red shirts and bring our your street gang to fight against the principles of democracy and remember that even if the evidence is absolutely irrefutable the world will be watching you disrespect the rule of law and revolting in a bloody brutal armed terrorist uprising that I am sure the US ambassador will see as violent as opposed to the peaceful PDRC protests she described last week.

When you have 2 accused terrorists running the brutal terrorist organization then the outcome is already predetermined. They thrive on violence.

The below is an indication of the respect they have for principles.

"United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), say they are mustering recruits to be sent for military-style training"

UDD principle #3. To promote non-violence as our modus operandi for all activities.

Who would have thought a terrorist organization would have had principles and if they did is it any surprise that they break them…NO

Democracy is about letting a government voted by the majority govern. Now if you are so confident the majority of the people are anti the current government, then support an election. If not stop posting your inane drivel about red this and red that. I myself am confident that the PTP will win any election whether now or in 1 years time. That is of course provided they are allowed to vote.

"That is of course provided they are allowed to vote."

Now that is just plain ignorance. You know perfectly good and well they will be allowed to vote. That has never been in question except in air heads. Also it is not a question for Trolls they just like to stir the pot up.

The question is and has always been how long before they vote and are they going to reform parts of the Government before the vote. Now there is talk from both sides of putting in mandatory things for the party that wins to do.

To leave the election system as it is now is a vote to continue with the ever increasing corruption.

[northernjohn]

As usual, GK spewing out misinformation, and your twisted ideal's of a democracy shows bright.

Your princess isnt being charged with corruption, she is being charged with dereliction of duty. Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam.

As usual, DM spewing out misinformation, "Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam." the courts have to prove that Y/L DID know about the corruption and by who and did nothing to stop it and allowed it to continue, if that proves true then yes she would be negligent, is it possible that corrupt behavior and information was being withheld from her? or could it be that she was in the process of trying to stop it?

Regardless, of the facts, it seems you have made your guilty verdict, negligence and corruption within a policy happens around the world in some of the most democratic and open governments, If and when a politician has been found to be negligent they are publicly exposed, possibly moved to a lesser portfolio, or moved to a back bench, and worst case is removed from that party,

The rice pledging scheme was implemented to help the farmers get a better price for their product something many governments do, secondly it was to help put an end to the rice millers price fixing scams, and blatantly ripping off the farmers, Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

I hope Yinglucks legal team does a better job in her defense than what you just laid out.

Well I don't claim to be a defense lawyer, and yeah I hope they do also,

But I would think if YL can show one instance of trying to stop the corruption then she would be not negligent but in the process of stopping corruption therefor doing her job. It's up to the court to prove she had full knowledge and choose to do nothing and to knowing let corruption continue without any action taken, then that would be negligent...

I will go you one step better.

To take on the job of Prime Minister when she in no way had or ever will have the capabilities to be a leader is negligent.

Thailand needs a real leader not a figure head for a convicted criminal on the run from the law.

Thailand is the only country in the world with a leader who's only talent is photo ops. I was going to mention shopping but Marcos in the Philippines made her look like a babe in the woods. IK believe there is one in South America also. It must be a women thing.

[davidmann]

they could block the streets with rice ,what nice people they are work all year give there rice away ,i am looking for workers that are happy to work all year for nothing ,

[northernjohn]

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I read the two charges; I) abuse of power causing corruption, which is the charge that can result in her impeachment and ii) malfeasance.

The NACC at the prodding of its political masters have sought to tarnish and destroy the prime minister by accusing her of being responsible for corruption, which I understand in Thai law is one and the same. It is no different than a person who facilitates a capital crime, being charged with that capital crime. The NACC haven't got a pot to piss in when it comes to actually proving that the PM profited from the rice pledging program. instead, they will attempt to kill her with a thousand pinpricks. The PM is a lot tougher than the NACC understands or any foreign hater assumes. She is squeaky clean on this and has never ever taken any monies in an unlawful manner nor has she aided or abetted any corruption. This is a politically motivated frame up, pure and simple.

The PM is a lot dumber than you think she is. Even if she never personally got any money out of it being the chair she had to know there was some thing wrong. She never admitted it but secret government to government deals smells to high heaven to me. We won't go into the pie in the sky one.

Speaking of haters why do you assume that because you can't see through her every one that does hates her.

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

Even if there is no corruption even a 15 year old schoolboy knows that it had to collapse.

Paying rice farmers 40 procent above market price ?? To who the government would sell this and also include the costs of stocking .Who would pay 40 procent above the market place.?

Governments. It's called agricultural subsidies in the west. In 2012 in the EU, public funding accounted for 19% of farmers receipts. In the USA I believe corn growers obtain approximately 35% of their revenue by way of subsidies from the US government. Unlike the EU, and the USA Thailand is still heavily weighted to the agrarian sector.

You are correct but you in your blind rush to defend her beauteous one, forgot to mention that they pay those money's. They don't tell them you will get paid in the mean time go and pay interest on the money you have to borrow because we are not paying you what we said we would. Also we know we told you last week we would pay you this week but Yingluck had to make a tour of the Smokey north to remember what it was like living there when she was a kid. We are sure you will understand.

Keep your eyes on Facebook for more information. If you don't have a computer get a job and buy one so she can keep her mind on more important things than you.

Did I miss any thing?

[Malone]

This will go on until the next election , most likely in May. If PM Yingluck falls on her sword, there are several candidates that stand ready to take her place, with the most likely her sister. However, the big issue is the impeachment. As much as the current government can be criticized over the rice pledging program, in a functioning democracy, punishment would be meted out at the ballot box if merited and not by a judiciary legislating from the bench. If the corruption commission can show the PM was directly implicated in corruption, then fine, impeach the PM, and put her in jail. However, to date, there hasn't been any tangible evidence of her corruption and that's why the NACC had better be able to make a good case. If not, then a popular uprising against the judiciary and its puppet masters would be expected.

As usual, GK spewing out misinformation, and your twisted ideal's of a democracy shows bright.

Your princess isnt being charged with corruption, she is being charged with dereliction of duty. Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam.

As usual, DM spewing out misinformation, "Part of that neglect was allowing corruption to run rampant in this scam." the courts have to prove that Y/L DID know about the corruption and by who and did nothing to stop it and allowed it to continue, if that proves true then yes she would be negligent, is it possible that corrupt behavior and information was being withheld from her? or could it be that she was in the process of trying to stop it?

Regardless, of the facts, it seems you have made your guilty verdict, negligence and corruption within a policy happens around the world in some of the most democratic and open governments, If and when a politician has been found to be negligent they are publicly exposed, possibly moved to a lesser portfolio, or moved to a back bench, and worst case is removed from that party,

The rice pledging scheme was implemented to help the farmers get a better price for their product something many governments do, secondly it was to help put an end to the rice millers price fixing scams, and blatantly ripping off the farmers, Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

Unfortunately it was poorly executed by those that were trusted to run the policy and some very cunning business people who have had years of practice in hiding their corrupt ways while making things look ok on paper.

I hope Yinglucks legal team does a better job in her defense than what you just laid out.

Sounds like something Thaksin's pastry box lawyer, and current member of Yingluck's legal team, Pichit, would try in his final argument.

[limitless]

Ever since the appearance of designated redshirt villages, I have been of the impression that they are preparing to take on even the military in their mistaken cause to keep the very family that is using them in power. Some people never learn, and are totally subject to manipulation.

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like........ this is no dig at you phantomfiddler........obviously their choice of political representative has nothing to do with the oppression, racism, derogatory remarks, insults and from being prevented their right to vote for who they choose, and all the double standards in this country an all. The way this section of Thai people have been treated is disgusting. They may not be educated (brain washed) but they are far from stupid..My family is from Issan they support Red .They are most certainly not terrorist or stupid in fact they are smarter than most bangkokians i know......Fortunately for Thailand these people are the majority in this country like it or not. These are the world famous smiling Thais that all us foreigners fell for ...thats why we came here.....These people have so far risen above the temptation to react violently which they should be praised for. They don't need to rise....or race to Bangkok..they already live here and on every soi. History from every civilized country in the world has shown that it is these people who always come through as the victor in any conflict against whatever odds. Apologies...... i don't like any of the politicians here ...but if i had to choose from the current or recent past group, it would be Thaksin all day long. I've witnessed the comings and goings of politicians in this country for over 15 years and in my short time residing here, the only time the Thai people ...normal Thai people..have flourished (in my opinion) was under Thaksins government...Business up...Tourism up.....ive seen nothing and no progress under any other government. In fact the reason the coup was staged against him was because he was cleaning this country up and was considered to be moving too fast to bring Thailand into the real world..and the under the table (yellows) people didnt like it.Please correct me if Im wrong......people call the reds terrorists....why? because they burnt buildings in a reaction to seeing their people being murdered. Central got burnt down.....who benefited? Not any redshirt...oh yeh sorry the owners benefitted. Brand new shiny store to compete with Paragon round the corner. no wonder they didnt let the fire engines in.............blimey its been a long morning!

[gemini81]

Ever since the appearance of designated redshirt villages, I have been of the impression that they are preparing to take on even the military in their mistaken cause to keep the very family that is using them in power. Some people never learn, and are totally subject to manipulation.

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like........ this is no dig at you phantomfiddler........obviously their choice of political representative has nothing to do with the oppression, racism, derogatory remarks, insults and from being prevented their right to vote for who they choose, and all the double standards in this country an all. The way this section of Thai people have been treated is disgusting. They may not be educated (brain washed) but they are far from stupid..My family is from Issan they support Red .They are most certainly not terrorist or stupid in fact they are smarter than most bangkokians i know......Fortunately for Thailand these people are the majority in this country like it or not. These are the world famous smiling Thais that all us foreigners fell for ...thats why we came here.....These people have so far risen above the temptation to react violently which they should be praised for. They don't need to rise....or race to Bangkok..they already live here and on every soi. History from every civilized country in the world has shown that it is these people who always come through as the victor in any conflict against whatever odds. Apologies...... i don't like any of the politicians here ...but if i had to choose from the current or recent past group, it would be Thaksin all day long. I've witnessed the comings and goings of politicians in this country for over 15 years and in my short time residing here, the only time the Thai people ...normal Thai people..have flourished (in my opinion) was under Thaksins government...Business up...Tourism up.....ive seen nothing and no progress under any other government. In fact the reason the coup was staged against him was because he was cleaning this country up and was considered to be moving too fast to bring Thailand into the real world..and the under the table (yellows) people didnt like it.Please correct me if Im wrong......people call the reds terrorists....why? because they burnt buildings in a reaction to seeing their people being murdered. Central got burnt down.....who benefited? Not any redshirt...oh yeh sorry the owners benefitted. Brand new shiny store to compete with Paragon round the corner. no wonder they didnt let the fire engines in.............blimey its been a long morning!

Do you run a waffle shop?

They wanted violence in 2010; thats what they got, what they wanted. They also burned 36 other buildings. If you think thats ok, and you think the supporters are smart, boy, you need some real help, or your village area is rotting your brain cells indeed from lack of stimulation of exposure to real life here!

The ex cowardly PM just took the money Chuan saved up and spent it, put the poor into debt with ridiculous loans designed to bankrupt them, sold them outrageous phones he bought cheap. He's a dirty swindler, get a clue dude

. There is a lot going on beyond the rice paddies of rural isaan.

Edited March 31, 2014 by gemini81

[limitless]

Ever since the appearance of designated redshirt villages, I have been of the impression that they are preparing to take on even the military in their mistaken cause to keep the very family that is using them in power. Some people never learn, and are totally subject to manipulation.

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like........ this is no dig at you phantomfiddler........obviously their choice of political representative has nothing to do with the oppression, racism, derogatory remarks, insults and from being prevented their right to vote for who they choose, and all the double standards in this country an all. The way this section of Thai people have been treated is disgusting. They may not be educated (brain washed) but they are far from stupid..My family is from Issan they support Red .They are most certainly not terrorist or stupid in fact they are smarter than most bangkokians i know......Fortunately for Thailand these people are the majority in this country like it or not. These are the world famous smiling Thais that all us foreigners fell for ...thats why we came here.....These people have so far risen above the temptation to react violently which they should be praised for. They don't need to rise....or race to Bangkok..they already live here and on every soi. History from every civilized country in the world has shown that it is these people who always come through as the victor in any conflict against whatever odds. Apologies...... i don't like any of the politicians here ...but if i had to choose from the current or recent past group, it would be Thaksin all day long. I've witnessed the comings and goings of politicians in this country for over 15 years and in my short time residing here, the only time the Thai people ...normal Thai people..have flourished (in my opinion) was under Thaksins government...Business up...Tourism up.....ive seen nothing and no progress under any other government. In fact the reason the coup was staged against him was because he was cleaning this country up and was considered to be moving too fast to bring Thailand into the real world..and the under the table (yellows) people didnt like it.Please correct me if Im wrong......people call the reds terrorists....why? because they burnt buildings in a reaction to seeing their people being murdered. Central got burnt down.....who benefited? Not any redshirt...oh yeh sorry the owners benefitted. Brand new shiny store to compete with Paragon round the corner. no wonder they didnt let the fire engines in.............blimey its been a long morning!

Do you run a waffle shop?

They wanted violence in 2010; thats what they got, what they wanted. They also burned 36 other buildings. If you think thats ok, and you think the supporters are smart, boy, you need some real help, or your village area is rotting your brain cells indeed from lack of stimulation of exposure to real life here!

The ex cowardly PM just took the money Chuan saved up and spent it, put the poor into debt with ridiculous loans designed to bankrupt them, sold them outrageous phones he bought cheap. He's a dirty swindler, get a clue dude

. There is a lot going on beyond the rice paddies of rural isaan.

Unfortunately no waffle shops mate...Im english, we dont have waffle shops........ Village? lol yeh something like that. Real life here....errm ...wife... kids..several businesses....i have no idea what real life means. maybe you could enlighten me

[lovetotravel]

https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2010/12/25/teflon-mark-and-the-nacc/

Teflon Mark and the NACC

I think all Thai politicians are teflon coated.

[DirtFarmer]

Ever since the appearance of designated redshirt villages, I have been of the impression that they are preparing to take on even the military in their mistaken cause to keep the very family that is using them in power. Some people never learn, and are totally subject to manipulation.

"mistaken cause"?? its their choice! If i vote for Monster Raving loony green party in the Uk, is that a mistaken cause?...no its my right to vote for who the hell i like........ this is no dig at you phantomfiddler........obviously their choice of political representative has nothing to do with the oppression, racism, derogatory remarks, insults and from being prevented their right to vote for who they choose, and all the double standards in this country an all. The way this section of Thai people have been treated is disgusting. They may not be educated (brain washed) but they are far from stupid..My family is from Issan they support Red .They are most certainly not terrorist or stupid in fact they are smarter than most bangkokians i know......Fortunately for Thailand these people are the majority in this country like it or not. These are the world famous smiling Thais that all us foreigners fell for ...thats why we came here.....These people have so far risen above the temptation to react violently which they should be praised for. They don't need to rise....or race to Bangkok..they already live here and on every soi. History from every civilized country in the world has shown that it is these people who always come through as the victor in any conflict against whatever odds. Apologies...... i don't like any of the politicians here ...but if i had to choose from the current or recent past group, it would be Thaksin all day long. I've witnessed the comings and goings of politicians in this country for over 15 years and in my short time residing here, the only time the Thai people ...normal Thai people..have flourished (in my opinion) was under Thaksins government...Business up...Tourism up.....ive seen nothing and no progress under any other government. In fact the reason the coup was staged against him was because he was cleaning this country up and was considered to be moving too fast to bring Thailand into the real world..and the under the table (yellows) people didnt like it.Please correct me if Im wrong......people call the reds terrorists....why? because they burnt buildings in a reaction to seeing their people being murdered. Central got burnt down.....who benefited? Not any redshirt...oh yeh sorry the owners benefitted. Brand new shiny store to compete with Paragon round the corner. no wonder they didnt let the fire engines in.............blimey its been a long morning!

Do you run a waffle shop?

They wanted violence in 2010; thats what they got, what they wanted. They also burned 36 other buildings. If you think thats ok, and you think the supporters are smart, boy, you need some real help, or your village area is rotting your brain cells indeed from lack of stimulation of exposure to real life here!

The ex cowardly PM just took the money Chuan saved up and spent it, put the poor into debt with ridiculous loans designed to bankrupt them, sold them outrageous phones he bought cheap. He's a dirty swindler, get a clue dude

. There is a lot going on beyond the rice paddies of rural isaan.

Yep and Chuan Leekpai had his skeletons as well... the most familiar recently is your Suthep...

1st term...

The first Chuan administration fell when members of the cabinet were implicated in profiting from Sor Phor Kor 4-01 land project documents distributed in Phuket province. Fierce public and press criticism and dissolution of Parliament were the reasons for his administration's downfall.^[8]

Second term

Although generally regarded as relatively clean and honest when compared to other Thai administrations, Chuan's government found itself plagued with corruption scandals and rumors. Key cases of corruption included:

• Rakkiat Sukhthana, Health Minister, was charged with taking a five million THB (125,000 USD) bribe from a drug firm and forcing state hospitals to buy medicine at exorbitant prices. After being found guilty, he jumped bail and went into hiding.
• Suthep Thaugsuban, Minister of Transport and Communications, whose brokering of illegal land deals caused the fall of the Chuan 1 government, was linked to abuse of funds in setting up a co-operative in his southern province of Surat Thani.^[13]
• The "edible fence" seed scandal, in which massive overpricing of seeds distributed to rural areas happened. The Deputy Minister of Agriculture was forced to resign.^[14]
• The Salween logging scandal, where up to 20,000 logs were felled illegally in the Salween forest in Mae Hong Son. Some of them turned up in the compound of the Democrat party’s office in Phichit province.^[14]
• Sanan Kajornprasart, Interior Minister, as well as 8 other cabinet ministers were found to have understated their declared assets. Sanan was later barred by the Constitution Court from politics for 5 years.^[15]
• Chuan himself was found by the National Counter-Corruption Commission to have undeclared shareholdings in a rural cooperative.^[15]

Chuan stepped down as the head of the Democrat Party in 2003.

Criticisms

• Chuan also got the nickname 'Chang Tha Si' (painter in Thai). When party members were accused of corruption, he was always known to protect them by telling the press they were clean although the court had not delivered its decision yet.

but lets face it ...we can probably agree the Thai people need a clean slate with "good people" just not sure where to find them... Certainly I would go outside of the existing gene pool of wannabee whistle adorned lot but gonna be a long haul...not gonna happen overnight

[fab4]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

[dcutman]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

The only pattern I have detected, is your unrelenting gibberish about some Amart (aka Bangkok Boogieman) and But But Abhisit did it to.

[lovetotravel]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

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She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

Apples and oranges.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/707780-court-faults-abhisit-over-sacking-of-police-chief/

[khunken]

There is ways for the NACC to prevent this civil war from happening. The red shirt is now preparing to fight because they feel that the NACC is not transparent enough on the case that they charge against Yingluck and further more the case/charges started when the PDRC claim and push the NACC to charge Yingluck on the rice scheme. So in the eyes of the red shirt, the NACC is doing and siding with the PDRC and trying to take down their elected representative. If the DEMs really want to end what they call Thaksin regime then they need to pull out and shop this Suthep and go for election. On the ballot box even if they lose, they can still go ahead with the charge against Yingluck as an elected opposition party. When everything is clear on the court then they red shirt cannot do anything because if the red start a war then the military will have a reason to stop the red and the public/ international community won't see it as a coup.

Sent from my i-mobile IQ 5.3 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

She may be impeached by a completely different case than the rice pledging scheme.

A group of senators are petioning a case against her for the illegal removal of Thawil Pliensri as head of NSC. The constitutional court have a much easier job of impeaching her in this case as nothing has to go through the senate as does the rice pledging scheme.

Which is peculiar, because she did reinstate Thawil when told to by the court. Whereas a certain abhisit who removed the Police Chief at the time (in the same way that Yingluck removed Thawil) and didn't reinstate him when told to, did not attract the ire of the Senators or threats of impeachment. Now why is that, do you think? Double Standards, the amart looking after their own?

One is detecting a pattern here...................

In your usual 'but, but Abhisit/Dems.....' effort you might at least get your facts right.

Just a few months ago the final result of Abhisit's case was issued. He didn't reinstate him because he wasn't in power.

You're correct in that Thawil is now in the process of being reinstated. The senators can take whatever action they like but it's doubtful that they'll get very far. Pity you have to include the amart conspiracy crap - it reduces a post's value.