Court petition over Thawil's transfer 'aims to oust govt'

[chuang]

, this forum is full of educated people who understand law and order, and what is right and wrong.

What a statement.....

[thesetat2013]

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

So what you are saying is every court, every agency, all the military, and the majority of charters and businesses and people dont like YL and the PTP in Government? Seems to me you exxagerate a little or maybe you cant see why so many would be against the RED party. Or maybe, just maybe this party has made a joke of democracy, broken laws, ignored court rulings, stolen or misappropriated funds from the people and the country, which totally pissed everyone off so they dont want the REDS doing these things anymore. I would say the longer these people are in power more people will be going against them.

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[Baerboxer]

Sure Ima-farang, 'red shirt democracy' is a democracy where the winner of the election, the winner that wins by a landslide, actually gets to run the country without being pushed out by the pad/pdrc anti-democracy facists and their stooges in the courts, which were placed there by the previous military coup.

Your several posts simply read like red shirt propaganda. All bollks and no sensible content or argument.

You defame Thawil by calling him and idiot in an attempt to negate YL's illegal actions.

You claim there is no financial or economic problems - then why haven't the farmers been paid? Yet US$ was "returned" to Thaksin during PTP's administration so cash flow wasn't a problem then. JCR have just reduced the Thai credit rating. The World Bank, IMF, financial media all warned of the folly of the rice scheme scam.

You claim that PTP won the election, and like many other, regard a large minority as a landslide.

PTP tried to stifle free speech and criticism some time ago through their control of the police and try to "influence" court judgments and the work of investigative agencies through intimidation, crude threats, violent acts and the calling for a rebellion and treasonable splitting of the country. They cling on to power, still refuse to answer questions, open the books or be audited and openly and regularly contradict one another. They have achieved nothing in their time in office and cannot or will not account for very massive amounts of money. Investigations into "unusual wealth increases' could prove interesting in the future.

And you, like a few other, believe all this is acceptable, as they were invited to form a coalition government due to having the largest minority. Which under Thailand's peculiar electoral system translates to a ludicrously high proportion of parliamentary seats.

PTP were set up, funded, and are owned and ruled by a convicted criminal fugitive. His elitist very wealthy and privileged extended family dominate the the party and have shown they regard themselves above the law.

[Melyn]

Sure Ima-farang, 'red shirt democracy' is a democracy where the winner of the election, the winner that wins by a landslide, actually gets to run the country without being pushed out by the pad/pdrc anti-democracy facists and their stooges in the courts, which were placed there by the previous military coup.

There is just one side that raped democracy and now they are being punished for it. You got a problem with that?

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[pkspeaker]

If they have 'broken laws' then why does Yingluck get charged with this vague 'deriliction of duty'? Why were the charges brought only AFTER the protests began?

Why was one PM ousted by the courts after the coup for going on a cooking show?

If Yingluck is removed from office, then another MP from the ruling party will replace her.. so then the courts go after the entire cabinet, then they go after more than 300 MPs that voted for a charter amendment that would have made the upper house fully elected. Why did the pad/pdrc facists sabotage the elections so that's not possible? Because these 'charges' against her are obviously just a ploy to have her removed from office and then to create a vacuum which the military appointed senators fill.

any reasonable person can see this whole thing is a conspiriacy by the military/'protesters'/democrats, etc. to seize power from the elected party, the party that win elections by a landslide against the democrats which are the civilian face of this countries former military dictatorship.

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

So what you are saying is every court, every agency, all the military, and the majority of charters and businesses and people dont like YL and the PTP in Government? Seems to me you exxagerate a little or maybe you cant see why so many would be against the RED party. Or maybe, just maybe this party has made a joke of democracy, broken laws, ignored court rulings, stolen or misappropriated funds from the people and the country, which totally pissed everyone off so they dont want the REDS doing these things anymore. I would say the longer these people are in power more people will be going against them.

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[Publicus]

, this forum is full of educated people who understand law and order, and what is right and wrong.

What a statement.....

True, it is a remarkable statement but mostly because of the absolute certainty of its incredulous and absurd, contradictory claims.

The Far Right Wing Majority posters here would love to have been able to pull this off in their own respective country but always knew they could never get away with such an outrageous travesty, so here they are. The extremists get to throw out a government only they detest and despite without having to contest an election they know they are guaranteed to lose.

The TVF Far Right Wing Majority are so far out of the political mainstream of society they foreseeably can't win an election and they know it, so the street insurrection was their baby until it failed, their precious military coup never materialized, so now the stacked courts will conduct their judicial coup d'état in the name of - the rule of law.

As for the Ammart, the rule of law has always been the rule of thumb. To them, the law is a box full of tricks, traps and snares to be used as they please to the ends and purposes that serve them best. They are going to force their devil of choice to jump up to pitchfork them in their arsses.

From A Man For All Seasons, (1966) Highland Films, Columbia Pictures: Best Picture Academy Award Recipient.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

[than]

PT want to fuel the situation to convict red hardliners to take power by force !

[Publicus]

Pheu Thai have been so busy weaving their fiction that it is good to remember the facts :

The rule of law of any country is set forth by their constitution. Here, the constitution states quite clearly in Article 7, Article 172 and Article 173 that in the event of a parliamentary vacuum, the Senate can nominate a prime minister. The process described by the senator interviewed in this article is absolutely correct. That is the correct constitutionally procedure.

So keep in mind that anything that Pheu Thai says about this is absolutely false from every constitutional perspective. These are the facts.

" If the Constitutional Court rules in favour of the senators, then I don't think this country would have a rule of law anymore. There would be no law, just the court," he said. "

Of all the statements from Pheu Thai over the years, this is unquestionably the most flagrantly serious and dangerous one. What this Pheu Thai spokesman has just said is a criminal offense in any country. It is an act of defiance of the court. By those words he is already in defiance of the law. It is a threat, and the clearest form of intimidation on Constitutional Court judges. And the threat is that - from his point of view - that law itself would cease if the court were to give what he considers to be the " wrong " ruling. So - as Articles 7, 172, and 173 are clear - what this Pheu Thai spokesman is really saying is that a ruling constitutionally based on those articles would mean that law itself - in his view - would cease. Keep in mind that this petition to the Constitutional Court was filed in order to specifically consider this specific constitutional process that includes these articles. The Constitutional Court is entrusted to interpret these articles to the best of their abilities. What this Pheu Thai spokesman is trying to do is to tie their hands from considering these constitutional articles and rendering their best judgments based on them. It doesn't get any more serious than this. At this point, Pheu Thai have not only overstepped the line, they have vaulted over it in the most reckless and dangerous way possible.

Let's take a look at objective and factual reality instead of insistently trying to build yet another atrociously false case against the people you don't like.

None other than the Nation editorial board wrote on December 10th last year,

"However, there is no clear legal provision for installing an interim government outside the electoral system.

"Section 7 simply says: "Whenever no provision under this Constitution is applicable to any case, it shall be decided in accordance with the constitutional convention in the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State."

"The charter stipulates that the "constitutional convention in the democratic regime of government" is to have an elected prime minister. Anything else would violate democratic norms. Of course, this country has a long history of non-elected premiers, but we only have to review the record of dictatorships over the years to see how disastrous they can be. Elections are still the best way to choose a leader - and the only way in a country that wishes to call itself democratic."

To which I would add the speaker of the Senate and the 40 senators cosponsoring the petition now before the CC are appointed senators. They are not elected senators so they have no direct or even indirect connection to the electorate or to the electoral system. They thus haven't any claim or basis to speak for or to substitute for the electors, whether the electors are the people themselves or the members of parliament the people elect.

As if that weren't enough, many or most of the appointed senators were appointed by judges of the CC, either entirely or in part. This presents a clear conflict of interest for both the senators cosponsoring the petition to the CC and for those CC judges who sat on the respective committee that appointed these senators. I'd call the process and this particular development arising from it political and socio-cultural incest.

At a minimum, elected senators need to take the lead in any Senate decision to propose or pursue the petition. As no just recently elected senators have been seated, but the appointed senators did successfully submit the petition to the CC, the proceeding from its inception to the CC's pending ruling is occurring outside the electoral system and is itself unconstitutional.

It's Thai Legal Principles & Ethics 1001 again that two wrongs make a right and five wrongs make it even more right.

[thesetat2013]

If they have 'broken laws' then why does Yingluck get charged with this vague 'deriliction of duty'? Why were the charges brought only AFTER the protests began?

Why was one PM ousted by the courts after the coup for going on a cooking show?

If Yingluck is removed from office, then another MP from the ruling party will replace her.. so then the courts go after the entire cabinet, then they go after more than 300 MPs that voted for a charter amendment that would have made the upper house fully elected. Why did the pad/pdrc facists sabotage the elections so that's not possible? Because these 'charges' against her are obviously just a ploy to have her removed from office and then to create a vacuum which the military appointed senators fill.

any reasonable person can see this whole thing is a conspiriacy by the military/'protesters'/democrats, etc. to seize power from the elected party, the party that win elections by a landslide against the democrats which are the civilian face of this countries former military dictatorship.

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

So what you are saying is every court, every agency, all the military, and the majority of charters and businesses and people dont like YL and the PTP in Government? Seems to me you exxagerate a little or maybe you cant see why so many would be against the RED party. Or maybe, just maybe this party has made a joke of democracy, broken laws, ignored court rulings, stolen or misappropriated funds from the people and the country, which totally pissed everyone off so they dont want the REDS doing these things anymore. I would say the longer these people are in power more people will be going against them.

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Excuse me! But all you are in due democratic process right now. Or have forgotten that 380 mps who voted secretly for the amnesty bill still may be charged for this. Or maybe the 450 billion baht that disappeared. Maybe you think it flew away. How about going against the courts decision that the protest are peaceful and chalerm attacking them anyway. All that was just to arrest suthep and leaders of the pdrc. There are a lot more cases in action now against most of the Gov and it isnt happening because of your rich and elite and red prejudism. Its because some have and still are learning the truth about how the PTP party and their leaders have been lying to the people, takin money from the country, trying to positions reds in all places of power to control all positions in the Gov. Come on! A conspiracy is an idiot conclusion. Facts cant be suppressed forever and they got caught. Now almost every week a new scandal about what the Gov did and does wrongfully is in the news. YL herself admitted calling her brother the criminal for advise using skype. That in itself should tell you who is pulling the strings here. Im no fan of an unelected council. But you should not post things so biased to the reds without having facts thrown back. This country will not move until the PTP leaders are all removed from politics.

Due process is just that. A process that takes time. Its happening now to YL and her charter. If her party is innocent then she will be justified. But it doesnt look so good for them especially when their is overwhelming evidence against them. Also their support if secession even if it was done by not speaking out against her party was an admission. There are just too many things coming to light that is proof enough this is not

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Also the PM previously got ousted for getting money for that cooking show. And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain

Edited April 5, 2014 by thesetat2013

[tingtongteesood]

Politically motivated - and what about trying to brand Suthep and Abhisit as murderers to pressure them into agreeing to the amnesty bill whitewash so that they could clear themselves ? That wasn't politically motivated ? And what about these daily press releases full of hate for the law, those aren't politically motivated ? And what about everything UDD and PT have ever done, was any of it not politically motivated ? Have they ever really had the interests of the whole country at hearts during anything they have done ? I think we all know the answer really...

[rubl]

Time for Pheu Thai to write another letter to the UN?

[DirtFarmer]

A new group of senators were voted in on Sunday and the Senate was in the process of selecting a new speaker. Paiboon said several people, such as Surachai and newly elected Senator Jaruvan Maintaka, were capable of the job.

Katie bar the door..,. hell in a hand-basket...

[richabb1]

Lucky with have a really neutral Senators like Mr Paiboon, I am sure we can trust him to make judgement on merit rather than political allegiance.

if you do really know Mr Paiboon, then you will know he is least selfserving a lover of thailand - especially the NE

[DirtFarmer]

If they have 'broken laws' then why does Yingluck get charged with this vague 'deriliction of duty'? Why were the charges brought only AFTER the protests began?

Why was one PM ousted by the courts after the coup for going on a cooking show?

If Yingluck is removed from office, then another MP from the ruling party will replace her.. so then the courts go after the entire cabinet, then they go after more than 300 MPs that voted for a charter amendment that would have made the upper house fully elected. Why did the pad/pdrc facists sabotage the elections so that's not possible? Because these 'charges' against her are obviously just a ploy to have her removed from office and then to create a vacuum which the military appointed senators fill.

any reasonable person can see this whole thing is a conspiriacy by the military/'protesters'/democrats, etc. to seize power from the elected party, the party that win elections by a landslide against the democrats which are the civilian face of this countries former military dictatorship.

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

So what you are saying is every court, every agency, all the military, and the majority of charters and businesses and people dont like YL and the PTP in Government? Seems to me you exxagerate a little or maybe you cant see why so many would be against the RED party. Or maybe, just maybe this party has made a joke of democracy, broken laws, ignored court rulings, stolen or misappropriated funds from the people and the country, which totally pissed everyone off so they dont want the REDS doing these things anymore. I would say the longer these people are in power more people will be going against them.

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Excuse me! But all you are in due democratic process right now. Or have forgotten that 380 mps who voted secretly for the amnesty bill still may be charged for this. Or maybe the 450 billion baht that disappeared. Maybe you think it flew away. How about going against the courts decision that the protest are peaceful and chalerm attacking them anyway. All that was just to arrest suthep and leaders of the pdrc. There are a lot more cases in action now against most of the Gov and it isnt happening because of your rich and elite and red prejudism. Its because some have and still are learning the truth about how the PTP party and their leaders have been lying to the people, takin money from the country, trying to positions reds in all places of power to control all positions in the Gov. Come on! A conspiracy is an idiot conclusion. Facts cant be suppressed forever and they got caught. Now almost every week a new scandal about what the Gov did and does wrongfully is in the news. YL herself admitted calling her brother the criminal for advise using skype. That in itself should tell you who is pulling the strings here. Im no fan of an unelected council. But you should not post things so biased to the reds without having facts thrown back. This country will not move until the PTP leaders are all removed from politics.

Due process is just that. A process that takes time. Its happening now to YL and her charter. If her party is innocent then she will be justified. But it doesnt look so good for them especially when their is overwhelming evidence against them. Also their support if secession even if it was done by not speaking out against her party was an admission. There are just too many things coming to light that is proof enough this is not

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Also the PM previously got ousted for getting money for that cooking show. And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain

I suggest you do a bit of research here on this claim " And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain...."

Thaksin was found to have violated conflict of interest rules and made him the first Thai politician to be convicted of corruption committed while prime minister...however even the BOT the very same Bank Of Thailand advised him what he did was not illegal...before he did it...it is a matter of public record...

now to address " And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain...."

The split decision by Thailand’s supreme court on a five-to-four majority verdict cleared Thaksin, 59, of more serious charges of abuse of power to obtain the land at a bargain price.

In fact as a Thai reporter . so clearly interpreted...

" Thaksin reported his assets, in the US$ billions, even before he entered politics. Logically, how can the court ruled to confiscate, much of it, all compiled before Thaksin entered politics-for his political activity once entered politics. Furthermore, again, in his approval to his then wife to bid for state assets, Thaksin, indeed asked for the opinion of many, such as the Bank of Thailand, if the approval is legal. Everyone Thaksin asked said it was legal.

And that brings us back to Kuhnying Jaruvan who headed up the asset seizure committee that nationalized his assets...(hmmm where did that money go...? you think they are holding in account for him...?)

[Rich teacher]

Thawil was outrageously anti-PT and appeared regularly on yellow stages.

Under the Abhisit regime he was caught lying on several occasions, famously stating “did not use force to disperse red-shirt protesters on May 19, 2010. He said they had only asked the protesters to vacate the Ratchaprasong intersection in order to make way for traffic.”

It is clear that his transfer was valid and reasonable.

[srsv1238]

It seemed a little silly to oust the previous PM for going on a cooking show. How much did he get paid? A few hundred dollars? Seems like the judiciary just wanted him out and was looking for any excuse.

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[northernjohn]

This is WRONG, there is no financial crises, the only stress the economy is facing is the result of the anti-gov. protests, otherwise the region is on the rebound, the money spent on the rice AND rubber subsidies is a small % of the national budget, the lyons share of govt spending continues to go into infrastructure projects, military and security spending..

there is no economic 'crises' that justifies forcing out a democratically elected government in favor of yet another military backed dictator.

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

Still anything is a better situation than the current one where if PTP remain in power, the coffers of Thailand will be empty and we will be like North Korea - Democratic elections and ruled by a family dynasty with state controlled courts spouting ridiculous propaganda every day through state controlled media

Mind explaining what you are talking about. There is no financial crises if that is true why don't they pay the farmers and the new car buyers ?

Be that as it may this is not about the countries finances this is about corruption and dereliction of duty. Before you post any more you might want to have a look at what the problem is. Not make up a problem in your head solve it and come on here and tell us all about it when it is actually just a product of your imagination.

You are not dealing with your brothers in arms (red shirts) here on Thai Visa. We for the most part know what the problem is. Yes you do have a few allies on here but not many. We can't all be smart.

[srsv1238]

Why was it an abuse of the PMs power to remove National Security Chief Thawil. Does he not serve at the will of the elected representatives?

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[pmugghc]

It seemed a little silly to oust the previous PM for going on a cooking show. How much did he get paid? A few hundred dollars? Seems like the judiciary just wanted him out and was looking for any excuse.

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He 1) got paid and 2) lied about it. Imagine if Obama, Merkel, or Cameron appeared on a cooking show even without payment. Don't they have more important things to do?

But this guy even got paid! Yes, Thai salary.

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[Evolare]

This is the most ridiculous excuse to remove the prime minister. End of story.

555 Did you just wake up from being in a coma for the past 6 months? Coming to that conclusion?

[Publicus]

It seemed a little silly to oust the previous PM for going on a cooking show. How much did he get paid? A few hundred dollars? Seems like the judiciary just wanted him out and was looking for any excuse.

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He 1) got paid and 2) lied about it. Imagine if Obama, Merkel, or Cameron appeared on a cooking show even without payment. Don't they have more important things to do?

But this guy even got paid! Yes, Thai salary.

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One can understand the logic and reasoning employed by the court in each case.

In the Samak case, the court reflected the strong sentiment of the Thai people, who take cooking and Thai food very seriously, that no one should abuse their trust by having such a petty and distracting side job as prime minister, so the court dismissed Samak from his position as premier. Samak of course couldn't win for losing as he was subsequently dismissed by the tv show as its visiting cook.

In the case of Tawil, the court reasoned that since the prime minister is the younger sibling of a fugitive in the desert, YS had abused her power due to her having been voted prime minister by vote of a legitimately elected parliament, given that the legitimate vote of the legitimately elected parliament contradicted the sinister intent of the coup written 2007 constitution that no Shinawatra should ever be elected again.

http://www.e-ir.info/2014/03/04/protesters-in-thailand-try-a-civilian-coup-detat/

Edited April 5, 2014 by Publicus

[northernjohn]

It seemed a little silly to oust the previous PM for going on a cooking show. How much did he get paid? A few hundred dollars? Seems like the judiciary just wanted him out and was looking for any excuse.

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He 1) got paid and 2) lied about it. Imagine if Obama, Merkel, or Cameron appeared on a cooking show even without payment. Don't they have more important things to do?

But this guy even got paid! Yes, Thai salary.

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One can understand the logic and reasoning employed by the court in each case.

In the Samak case, the court reflected the strong sentiment of the Thai people, who take cooking and Thai food very seriously, that no one should abuse their trust by having a such a petty and distracting side job as prime minister, so the court dismissed Samak from his position as premier. Samak of course couldn't win for losing as he was dismissed from the tv show too.

In the case of Tawil, the court reasoned that since the prime minister is the younger sibling of a fugitive in the desert, YS had abused her power due to her having been voted prime minister by vote of a legitimately elected parliament, given that the legitimate vote of the legitimately elected parliament contradicted the sinister intent of the coup written 2007 constitution that no Shinawatra should ever be elected again.

http://www.iseas.edu.sg/documents/publication/ISEAS_Perspective_2014_07-What_is_to_Come_in_Thailand.pdf

Congratulations are in order.

You don't try to claim the people wanted her. Just a bunch of politicians who work for her brother.

do you call that Democracy?

[srsv1238]

Any one know how much he was paid? To me he just looked like he liked to cook and talk. If it was a small amount, it seems silly to sack a PM over it.

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[srsv1238]

Well she was elected twice correct? How can we say the thai people didn't want her as their PM?

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[tingtongteesood]

Well she was elected twice correct? How can we say the thai people didn't want her as their PM?

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Well she was elected twice correct?

Really ? When and when ? Nobody ever voted for her, they voted for Thaksin, she is merely a 'pretty face' ( though not pretty to me frankly ) serving as figurehead for the ship and the fugitive big brother's mouthpiece..

[Publicus]

Well she was elected twice correct? How can we say the thai people didn't want her as their PM?

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Well she was elected twice correct?

Really ? When and when ? Nobody ever voted for her, they voted for Thaksin, she is merely a 'pretty face' ( though not pretty to me frankly ) serving as figurehead for the ship and the fugitive big brother's mouthpiece..

Everybody knows who they vote for to be prime minister when they cast their vote. Abhisit got fired, Yingluck got hired. Then again, an ostrich might miss this even if it had two sets of eyes.

[thesetat2013]

If they have 'broken laws' then why does Yingluck get charged with this vague 'deriliction of duty'? Why were the charges brought only AFTER the protests began?

Why was one PM ousted by the courts after the coup for going on a cooking show?

If Yingluck is removed from office, then another MP from the ruling party will replace her.. so then the courts go after the entire cabinet, then they go after more than 300 MPs that voted for a charter amendment that would have made the upper house fully elected. Why did the pad/pdrc facists sabotage the elections so that's not possible? Because these 'charges' against her are obviously just a ploy to have her removed from office and then to create a vacuum which the military appointed senators fill.

any reasonable person can see this whole thing is a conspiriacy by the military/'protesters'/democrats, etc. to seize power from the elected party, the party that win elections by a landslide against the democrats which are the civilian face of this countries former military dictatorship.

Replacing the elected PM with an appointed PM from a body of half unelected senators, which is full of appointed senators-that were appointed by the previous coup, as were the 'judges' of the constitution court and NaCC.. is obviously an act against democracy, especially since the reason we don't have a lowerhouse(where most political power is supposed to emenate from) is because anti-democracy 'protesters' sabotaged the election with the help of state officials like the EC..

and then to give the 'appointed' PM full powers? and then Suthep and his band of anti-democracy facists insist they will continue to sabotage the next election, all they have to do it prevent voting in a few democrat strongholds and the 'appointed' PM goes on indefinently !

This is an outrage and we can see how this country is actually ruled by a military junta that uses 'judges' as dictators, this country is going to have a militant backlash to this dictatorship.

So what you are saying is every court, every agency, all the military, and the majority of charters and businesses and people dont like YL and the PTP in Government? Seems to me you exxagerate a little or maybe you cant see why so many would be against the RED party. Or maybe, just maybe this party has made a joke of democracy, broken laws, ignored court rulings, stolen or misappropriated funds from the people and the country, which totally pissed everyone off so they dont want the REDS doing these things anymore. I would say the longer these people are in power more people will be going against them.

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Excuse me! But all you are in due democratic process right now. Or have forgotten that 380 mps who voted secretly for the amnesty bill still may be charged for this. Or maybe the 450 billion baht that disappeared. Maybe you think it flew away. How about going against the courts decision that the protest are peaceful and chalerm attacking them anyway. All that was just to arrest suthep and leaders of the pdrc. There are a lot more cases in action now against most of the Gov and it isnt happening because of your rich and elite and red prejudism. Its because some have and still are learning the truth about how the PTP party and their leaders have been lying to the people, takin money from the country, trying to positions reds in all places of power to control all positions in the Gov. Come on! A conspiracy is an idiot conclusion. Facts cant be suppressed forever and they got caught. Now almost every week a new scandal about what the Gov did and does wrongfully is in the news. YL herself admitted calling her brother the criminal for advise using skype. That in itself should tell you who is pulling the strings here. Im no fan of an unelected council. But you should not post things so biased to the reds without having facts thrown back. This country will not move until the PTP leaders are all removed from politics.

Due process is just that. A process that takes time. Its happening now to YL and her charter. If her party is innocent then she will be justified. But it doesnt look so good for them especially when their is overwhelming evidence against them. Also their support if secession even if it was done by not speaking out against her party was an admission. There are just too many things coming to light that is proof enough this is not

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Also the PM previously got ousted for getting money for that cooking show. And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain

I suggest you do a bit of research here on this claim " And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain...."

Thaksin was found to have violated conflict of interest rules and made him the first Thai politician to be convicted of corruption committed while prime minister...however even the BOT the very same Bank Of Thailand advised him what he did was not illegal...before he did it...it is a matter of public record...

now to address " And thaksin got ousted for buying land cheap knowing he could sell it when he knew in advance about government projects planned and approved. He abused his position to have financial gain...."

The split decision by Thailand’s supreme court on a five-to-four majority verdict cleared Thaksin, 59, of more serious charges of abuse of power to obtain the land at a bargain price.

In fact as a Thai reporter . so clearly interpreted...

" Thaksin reported his assets, in the US$ billions, even before he entered politics. Logically, how can the court ruled to confiscate, much of it, all compiled before Thaksin entered politics-for his political activity once entered politics. Furthermore, again, in his approval to his then wife to bid for state assets, Thaksin, indeed asked for the opinion of many, such as the Bank of Thailand, if the approval is legal. Everyone Thaksin asked said it was legal.

And that brings us back to Kuhnying Jaruvan who headed up the asset seizure committee that nationalized his assets...(hmmm where did that money go...? you think they are holding in account for him...?)

Does it matter? The fact is the majority of the court convicted him. Is not tbat what the reds claim us democracy? The facts are still the same matter hoe many billions he got back. I was only tryin to clarify to psspeaker his claim that the previous PMs were wrongfully taken from their positions.

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[thesetat2013]

It seems to me that all. Thai in the PTP care about us an electorate vote from the majority. Even in the US they haveu many presidents who have been sscked from moral and legal issues. Watergate scandal, nixon, clinton to couple. They were elected by the majority yet their wrongdoings got them canned and all it took was one person showing how they did wrong and some investigation to prove it. The same ia happening here yet the people in the north either dont care, have red blinders or are paid to ignore the bad things about their leaders actions. .An elected Gov is a good thing and id part of democracy. But the elected Govs main concrern should be for their peoples benefit. Thinking they can do what they want to benefit family, friends, and peopke in their party is wrong. All the REDS want to claim bias from the army, courts, and rulings against them mosty because the one who learned all the bad things the PTP and YL were doing came from the DEM party. But it doesnt matter who blew the whistle on their wrongdoings. What matter is now their dirty secrets are coming out and being addressed. If they are not guilty i am sure they will able to prove it. If not then they need to go without a fight. I am also sure that the PTP uses prejudism and bias to get their supporters. If it had been a different party what would the PTP do? Who could they blame for leaking the dirty secrets? The facts would be the same incriminating them.

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[DirtFarmer]

It seems to me that all. Thai in the PTP care about us an electorate vote from the majority. Even in the US they haveu many presidents who have been sscked from moral and legal issues. Watergate scandal, nixon, clinton to couple. They were elected by the majority yet their wrongdoings got them canned and all it took was one person showing how they did wrong and some investigation to prove it. The same ia happening here yet the people in the north either dont care, have red blinders or are paid to ignore the bad things about their leaders actions. .An elected Gov is a good thing and id part of democracy. But the elected Govs main concrern should be for their peoples benefit. Thinking they can do what they want to benefit family, friends, and peopke in their party is wrong. All the REDS want to claim bias from the army, courts, and rulings against them mosty because the one who learned all the bad things the PTP and YL were doing came from the DEM party. But it doesnt matter who blew the whistle on their wrongdoings. What matter is now their dirty secrets are coming out and being addressed. If they are not guilty i am sure they will able to prove it. If not then they need to go without a fight. I am also sure that the PTP uses prejudism and bias to get their supporters. If it had been a different party what would the PTP do? Who could they blame for leaking the dirty secrets? The facts would be the same incriminating them.

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I for one do not oppose transparency in any administration..and if politicians chose to die on their own swords,,, because of bad choices failed policy, corruption... or worse...so be it... but for me the underlying issue which is so painfully obvious is that there is no equity in the application of the law... and the "tools" of enforcing the law are all bought and paid for by people who do not think the same as me...people who do not want to use a Democratic structure..yet herald that as their beacon... SO much duplicity...and every day more brazenly one sided...as you said it matters not the color of the culprits what matters is they don't get away with it..but I beseech you do some more research on the corruption of the Dems government...which certainly was not for the benefit of "the people" which is why I maintain that what we see here is a quick fix,,,perhaps...maybe not maybe the door for transparency will be shut further...that remains to be seen...but what is abundantly clear,,, this is a power grab,,,no more no less...and the eradication of all these ills will take generations and will stem from a new born form of integrity permeating from parents to children from age one.. and through a complete restructuring of education going forward to give the tools to the future generation to be able to make a choice and not be swallowed up by the deceptions, and easy acquisition of wealth afforded by the mythology of expertise,,. from the back room dealers who defy the rule of law and appoint those who allow the same and by doing so are complicit in the acts themselves .... I certainly hope as the future of my son here is my foremost concern..that we are on the upward swing of the pendulum but by the markers thrown down in the last 5 months or so I fear the opposite..

[dutchisaan]

Thawil was outrageously anti-PT and appeared regularly on yellow stages.

Under the Abhisit regime he was caught lying on several occasions, famously stating “did not use force to disperse red-shirt protesters on May 19, 2010. He said they had only asked the protesters to vacate the Ratchaprasong intersection in order to make way for traffic.”

It is clear that his transfer was valid and reasonable.

So you admit that if you are against the ptp you have to go and than this transfer was valid and reasonable.

Thank you for explaning to all off us of rule nummer 1 in the red book manifest.

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