TRT Targeted For Dissolution

[hammered]

An expressway hoarding declares PTV cable television is the station of former Thai Rak Thai executive Veera Musigapong and deputy spokesman Jatuporn Promphan. They plan to go on air next month.

Source: The Nation - 20 February 2007

I saw that picture in Bangkok and thought it was an advert for a gay massage. I am surprised it is for Thaksin TV. Sorry to not be PC.

[sriracha john]

[sriracha john]

PTV to launch broadcasts as planned

A former Thai Rak Thai MP vowed today to go ahead with the launch of a satellite TV station next week despite a threat of legal action from the government. Mr Natthavuth Saichua, a founding member of the PTV, said that the company had planned the March 1 launch for some time and would go ahead with the plan. He said that the company was willing to discuss the matter with PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan, who is in charge of broadcasting. ''We do not intend to break the law or to cause any problems for the country,'' said Natthavuth.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=116989

[John K]

Long plans, meaning long before leaving the TRT.

I can imagine:

We have been planning this so long, it can’t be wrong.

[Tony Clifton]

A quote from the same article:

''We do not intend to break the law or to cause any problems for the country,'' said Natthavuth, adding that he only wanted the government to settle the problem about illegal television broadcasting because there are several illegal operators of television broadcast.

Not your brightest FOUNDING member. Let's break the law by launching a tv station and by not first asking for a license.

Edited February 22, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[Tony Clifton]

Witnesses link Democrats to registration delay

In Thursday's Constitution Tribunal hearing on electoral fraud, three prosecution witnesses gave collaborative statements linking the Democrats to the Songkhla protests that disrupted the candidacy registration for the April revote last year.

The three witnesses are newspaper reporter Thawat Lambensa, Thai Rak Thai electoral candidate Thaweesak Thaweerat and electoral official Natanan Thongna.

Prosecutors have contended that the Democrat Party tried to derail the electoral process during the revote after the April 2 balloting failed to elect a winner for Songkhla.

Thawat told the tribunal that he was covering the candidacy registration when he saw protesters trying to prevent candidates from small parties to entering the race.

Thaweesak said he singled out three ranking Democrats, Thaworn Senniam, Wirat Kalayasiri and Jua Ratchasi for encouraging the protesters.

Natanan said the Election Commission attributed the antivote rally to have caused the delay in the registration process. He added that he doubted whether the Democrat Party was the protest organiser but just trying to exploit the situation.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...newsid=30027611

Same Election Commission whose members spent time in jail after their obvious partial handling of last election?

Edited February 22, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[slimdog]

Same story, but a slightly different viewpoint:

Democrats not seen to be blocking polls

Two witnesses in an election fraud trial said yesterday they saw nothing that had convinced them the Democrats had tried to block by-elections in Songkhla. Local reporter Tawat Lambensa, from the Daily News newspaper, told the Constitution Tribunal he did not see any Democrats involved in a protest at the candidate registration venue where a crowd gathered to pressure candidates from lesser-known parties to bow out.

Another witness, Taweesak Taweerat, a former Thai Rak Thai candidate, said he saw Democrats Virat Kalayasiri, Chua Ratcahasi and Winai Senniam greeting people at the venue. But he could not say they were involved in urging people to pressure candidates to stay out of the race.

Full story: http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/23Feb2007_news07.php

Edited February 23, 2007 by slimdog

[sriracha john]

'Thai Rak Thai TV' to launch at Democracy Monument

The manager of the October 14 Memorial says he was unaware the operators of the new satellite television channel PTV planned to use the memorial's auditorium to unveil their controversial new station when he signed the rental agreement. Use of the auditorium has caused a stir at the memorial, run by the October 14 Foundation, as the venue is intended for use by the public, not politicians. The memorial aims for political neutrality and does not permit any political parties or groups to hold activities in its compound that might incite conflict. The manager, Raksa Sutthipong, said that Somkuan Promthong, an adviser of the Four Regions' Slum Network, had asked on Feb 19 to use the memorial's auditorium on behalf of the network. Mr Raksa said he approved Mr Somkuan's request, since Mr Somkuan was an acquaintance and the network had frequently used the auditorium in the past . It only came to his attention on Wednesday that PTV, which is linked to the Thai Rak Thai (TRT) party, was being launched at the auditorium tomorrow.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/23Feb2007_news06.php

[Tony Clifton]

[sriracha john]

Even the forum picture-haters have to be chuckling with that one, Tony.

[sriracha john]

Pracha Maleenont (left) helps out a homeless, unemployed man with a free gift.

Former TRT Party MP Pracha was former Deputy Minister of Transport, former Deputy Minister of Interior, and Former Minister of Social Development and Human Security under former Prime Minister and former TRT Party Leader Thaksin Shinawatra. His family is one of the absolute richest in Thailand.

Pracha denies financing People's Television (PTV)

Pracha Maleenont, the owner of Channel 3 and a former Cabinet member of the Thaksin government, Friday denied that he had financed the establishment of a new satellite TV, called the People's Television.

A group of Thai Rak Thai Party members have planned to launch the satellite television, to beamed from outside the country and picked and relayed by some provincial cable networks.

Pracha said he was not interested in politics and focused only on his business.

The Nation

[Tony Clifton]

Jatuporn insists to launch satellite TV on March 1

Jatuporn Promphan, a former Thai Rak Thai Party member, insisted Friday that his People's Television satellite TV will go on air on March 1.

Jatuporn said PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan had no right to block provincial cable networks from relaying the signal of his satellite TV because the signal of ASTV of media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul could also be relayed in Thailand.

He said his satellite TV would be for the people and he would not use it for political purpose.

The Nation

TRT lizards.

[sriracha john]

Former Interior Minister Bhokin Bhalakula

Former Deputy Interior Minister Pracha Maleenont

Former Bangkok Governor Samak Sundaravej

FIRE-ENGINE SCAM

Samak, 4 others face AEC probe

Apirak off the hook because Bt6.7-billion deal signed before he became governor

Former Bangkok governor Samak Sundaravej, ex-interior minister Bhokin Bhalakula and his deputy Pracha Maleenont are among five people to be investigated by the Assets Examination Committee for alleged involvement in the fire-engine corruption scandal, a source from the AEC said yesterday.

However, Apirak Kosayodhin, Samak's successor and the current Bangkok governor, who has often been linked to the case, will escape investigation because the purchase was made before he took up the post, the source said.

The AEC's chairman Nam Yimyaem yesterday said its fact-finding team had enough grounds to open a full investigation of five people, including three politicians, for their parts in the allegedly overpriced Bt6.7-billion deal. He did not name them. Nam said he had received a report from the fact-finding team and would put it to the AEC's full panel on Monday to decide whether a subcommittee should be set up to investigate the accused.

The AEC source said the five were former interior minister Bhokin Bhalakula, his deputy Pracha Maleenont and Pracha's assistant Somsak Kun-ngern, former Bangkok governor Samak Sundaravej and the former Bangkok Fire and Rescue Department chief Atilak Tanchukiat.

Nam said the charges were malfeasance or corruption in violation of Article 157 of the Criminal Code, causing damage of over Bt6 billion to the government.

Nam said the sub-committee could summon more suspects if more were involved.

Last year the Department of Special Investigation said there were seven, the present five plus Apirak and then-commerce minister Wattana Muangsuk.

Bhokin signed an agreement of understanding for the purchase at a government-to-government level. Pracha was responsible for discussing details with Austrian ambassador Herbert Traxl, and his assistant Somsak prepared the barter-trade plan for the deal.

The Foreign Trade Department sealed the barter agreement with Steyr Daimler Puch, the Austrian supplier of fireboats, fire engines and fire-fighting equipment to the Bangkok Fire and Rescue Department while Wattana was commerce minister.

The source yesterday said that Apirak, who had a letter of credit for the deal opened, was not on the AEC list for investigation because he had taken up his post after Samak signed the contract with Steyr Daimler Puch, which was conditional on the issuance of a letter of credit for payment.

The Nation

[sriracha john]

Thaksin tells tribunal in writing he urged clean elections

Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra has written a 10-page statement denying any involvement in electoral fraud, his lawyer Somsak Toraksa said yesterday.

It will be reviewed by the Constitution Tribunal in lieu of his appearance on the witness stand, Somsak said.

"As Thaksin has opted to testify in writing, it is now up to prosecutors to decide whether to ask him any questions, and the defence is prepared to cross-examine via video conference," he said, confirming his client would not end his exile at this juncture.

Somsak also summed up a key argument in his client's statement as outlining Thaksin's verbal and written instructions for electoral candidates and party officials to strictly abide by electoral rules.

According to IISS's website, Thaksin will give an address on "Democracy at a Crossroads" in London next Friday.

Although Thaksin says he has quit politics, critics have seen his public-relations blitz abroad - including the hiring of powerful lobbyist firms in the United States - as an attempt re-establish his image and boost his international standing.

- The Nation

[sriracha john]

Foundation vetoes memorial launch for PTV

The October 14 Foundation yesterday withdrew its permission for the use of the October 14 Memorial as the launch site for People's Television, or PTV. In an abrupt move, the foundation said the memorial, which is located at Kok Wua intersection, is only allowed for public use, not business activities. The foundation's decision forced the operators of PTV to use a Bangkok hotel in the Ramkhamhaeng area as the venue for the unveiling of their new station today. Natthawut Saikua, director of PTV, said the foundation told the station of the cancellation yesterday as it considered PTV to be a business entity. Earlier, the manager of the October 14 Memorial said he was not aware that the operators of PTV had planned to use the memorial to launch their new station when he signed the rental agreement with them.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/24Feb2007_news11.php

------------------------------------------------

The TRT just can't help themselves... the only way they seem to know how to operate is by deception. Renting out the auditorium through a third party. Thumbsup to the foundation for standing up to them once they found out who the real renters were.

Edited February 24, 2007 by sriracha john

[hammered]

Jatuporn insists to launch satellite TV on March 1

Jatuporn Promphan, a former Thai Rak Thai Party member, insisted Friday that his People's Television satellite TV will go on air on March 1.

Jatuporn said PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan had no right to block provincial cable networks from relaying the signal of his satellite TV because the signal of ASTV of media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul could also be relayed in Thailand.

He said his satellite TV would be for the people and he would not use it for political purpose.

The Nation

TRT lizards.

So now in Thailand politcal parties can set up TV stations. That is a worrying step, and it is this that seperates PTV led by the obnoxious Jatuporn from from Sondhi's ASTV. I look forward to other political parties setting up their TV stations if this obvious and direct form of TRT propoganda organization is allowed to. I also hope we wont hear Jatuporn whining on about how the Ram students exposed his little ploy to rent a mob down there in his last propoganda fiasco.

[ColPyat]

Jatuporn insists to launch satellite TV on March 1

Jatuporn Promphan, a former Thai Rak Thai Party member, insisted Friday that his People's Television satellite TV will go on air on March 1.

Jatuporn said PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan had no right to block provincial cable networks from relaying the signal of his satellite TV because the signal of ASTV of media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul could also be relayed in Thailand.

He said his satellite TV would be for the people and he would not use it for political purpose.

The Nation

TRT lizards.

So now in Thailand politcal parties can set up TV stations. That is a worrying step, and it is this that seperates PTV led by the obnoxious Jatuporn from from Sondhi's ASTV. I look forward to other political parties setting up their TV stations if this obvious and direct form of TRT propoganda organization is allowed to. I also hope we wont hear Jatuporn whining on about how the Ram students exposed his little ploy to rent a mob down there in his last propoganda fiasco.

I wonder though what the actual difference is between a political party setting up a TV station, an an extraparliamenary pressure group using their TV station to further thier own agendas. Both i think defeat the purpose of unbiased journalism.

But given the sorts of Fox news this appears to be very much along international lines.

Edited February 24, 2007 by ColPyat

[Tony Clifton]

This is exactly why I still say that ALL TRT members should be banned from politics or any related political activities for years to come. They keep talking about bringing back stability and yet, they are clearly showing that they're up to their same old tricks and will never stop.

Thaksin also keeps referring to bringing back stability and mentioning how much respect he has for a someone we can not discuss on here, and yet, he keeps doing exactly the opposite while polishing his image abroad with interviews and now a speech in London in a week or so.

[sriracha john]

Jatuporn insists to launch satellite TV on March 1

Jatuporn Promphan, a former Thai Rak Thai Party member, insisted Friday that his People's Television satellite TV will go on air on March 1.

Jatuporn said PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan had no right to block provincial cable networks from relaying the signal of his satellite TV because the signal of ASTV of media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul could also be relayed in Thailand.

He said his satellite TV would be for the people and he would not use it for political purpose.

The Nation

TRT lizards.

So now in Thailand political parties can set up TV stations. That is a worrying step, and it is this that separates PTV led by the obnoxious Jatuporn from from Sondhi's ASTV. I look forward to other political parties setting up their TV stations if this obvious and direct form of TRT propaganda organization is allowed to. I also hope we wont hear Jatuporn whining on about how the Ram students exposed his little ploy to rent a mob down there in his last propaganda fiasco.

duly annotated here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1113931

and with the requisite photograph here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1115249

[hammered]

Jatuporn insists to launch satellite TV on March 1

Jatuporn Promphan, a former Thai Rak Thai Party member, insisted Friday that his People's Television satellite TV will go on air on March 1.

Jatuporn said PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan had no right to block provincial cable networks from relaying the signal of his satellite TV because the signal of ASTV of media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul could also be relayed in Thailand.

He said his satellite TV would be for the people and he would not use it for political purpose.

The Nation

TRT lizards.

So now in Thailand politcal parties can set up TV stations. That is a worrying step, and it is this that seperates PTV led by the obnoxious Jatuporn from from Sondhi's ASTV. I look forward to other political parties setting up their TV stations if this obvious and direct form of TRT propoganda organization is allowed to. I also hope we wont hear Jatuporn whining on about how the Ram students exposed his little ploy to rent a mob down there in his last propoganda fiasco.

I wonder though what the actual difference is between a political party setting up a TV station, an an extraparliamenary pressure group using their TV station to further thier own agendas. Both i think defeat the purpose of unbiased journalism.

But given the sorts of Fox news this appears to be very much along international lines.

While pressure groups or political parties are both using TV to air propoganda and influence people and one could say to subvert the spirit of democracy there is one difference. Politcal parties end up being in the legislature and executive while pressure groups do not, so it is probably only here that a legal distinction can be made limiting the control of TV to exclude political parties or those that have recently left them. Of course government run and independent TV stations should be allowed to give politicians air time although this is best regulated too to allow for equal air time for government and opposition. all imho.

Fox News really is a hideous incarnation of all that is worse in western reporting.

[hammered]

Jatuporn insists to launch satellite TV on March 1

Jatuporn Promphan, a former Thai Rak Thai Party member, insisted Friday that his People's Television satellite TV will go on air on March 1.

Jatuporn said PM's Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan had no right to block provincial cable networks from relaying the signal of his satellite TV because the signal of ASTV of media tycoon Sondhi Limthongkul could also be relayed in Thailand.

He said his satellite TV would be for the people and he would not use it for political purpose.

The Nation

TRT lizards.

So now in Thailand political parties can set up TV stations. That is a worrying step, and it is this that separates PTV led by the obnoxious Jatuporn from from Sondhi's ASTV. I look forward to other political parties setting up their TV stations if this obvious and direct form of TRT propaganda organization is allowed to. I also hope we wont hear Jatuporn whining on about how the Ram students exposed his little ploy to rent a mob down there in his last propaganda fiasco.

duly annotated here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1113931

and with the requisite photograph here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1115249

Thanks for covering my laziness by providing the links. That fiasco certainly exposes the odious little Jatuporn and his attempts at stirring up trouble. I would seriously doubt that PTV is anything but another attempt to **** stir.

[ColPyat]

While pressure groups or political parties are both using TV to air propoganda and influence people and one could say to subvert the spirit of democracy there is one difference. Politcal parties end up being in the legislature and executive while pressure groups do not, so it is probably only here that a legal distinction can be made limiting the control of TV to exclude political parties or those that have recently left them. Of course government run and independent TV stations should be allowed to give politicians air time although this is best regulated too to allow for equal air time for government and opposition. all imho.

Fox News really is a hideous incarnation of all that is worse in western reporting.

Well, yeah, that is assuming that the rump TRT has any chance to end up anywhere else than in oblivion. In realistic terms, the interests represented by Sondhi L. and ASTV have far more power and representation in parliament than would be due.

Never underestimate the real power of extra parliamentary pressue groups, especially in such a system of extreme class differences such as in Thailand, and when represented by a comparatively tiny power elite, such as the one Sondhi L. belongs to.

[hammered]

While pressure groups or political parties are both using TV to air propoganda and influence people and one could say to subvert the spirit of democracy there is one difference. Politcal parties end up being in the legislature and executive while pressure groups do not, so it is probably only here that a legal distinction can be made limiting the control of TV to exclude political parties or those that have recently left them. Of course government run and independent TV stations should be allowed to give politicians air time although this is best regulated too to allow for equal air time for government and opposition. all imho.

Fox News really is a hideous incarnation of all that is worse in western reporting.

Well, yeah, that is assuming that the rump TRT has any chance to end up anywhere else than in oblivion. In realistic terms, the interests represented by Sondhi L. and ASTV have far more power and representation in parliament than would be due.

Never underestimate the real power of extra parliamentary pressue groups, especially in such a system of extreme class differences such as in Thailand, and when represented by a comparatively tiny power elite, such as the one Sondhi L. belongs to.

I think if we look at those ex-TRT MPs we will find quite few of them in the next parliament. Even if the TRT is disolved a new replacement party will no doubt rise from the ashes.

I wouldnt disagree that those such as Sondhi have behind the scenes power. We see that in all so called democrat countires even. My point is just that it is wrong for politcal parties to run media outlets whatever country it is in, and that there should be a legal framework to keep that seperation. If Sondhi wants to set up a politcal party of join one he should sell or close his operation.

[blaze]

While pressure groups or political parties are both using TV to air propoganda and influence people and one could say to subvert the spirit of democracy there is one difference. Politcal parties end up being in the legislature and executive while pressure groups do not, so it is probably only here that a legal distinction can be made limiting the control of TV to exclude political parties or those that have recently left them. Of course government run and independent TV stations should be allowed to give politicians air time although this is best regulated too to allow for equal air time for government and opposition. all imho.

Fox News really is a hideous incarnation of all that is worse in western reporting.

Well, yeah, that is assuming that the rump TRT has any chance to end up anywhere else than in oblivion. In realistic terms, the interests represented by Sondhi L. and ASTV have far more power and representation in parliament than would be due.

Never underestimate the real power of extra parliamentary pressue groups, especially in such a system of extreme class differences such as in Thailand, and when represented by a comparatively tiny power elite, such as the one Sondhi L. belongs to.

I think if we look at those ex-TRT MPs we will find quite few of them in the next parliament. Even if the TRT is disolved a new replacement party will no doubt rise from the ashes.

I wouldnt disagree that those such as Sondhi have behind the scenes power. We see that in all so called democrat countires even. My point is just that it is wrong for politcal parties to run media outlets whatever country it is in, and that there should be a legal framework to keep that seperation. If Sondhi wants to set up a politcal party of join one he should sell or close his operation.

I agree with you Hammered. But since this is not a democractic country, political 'parties' are at best, lobby groups.

Because there is no constitution in place right now, there is no official institutional guarantee that the political parties will ever be allowed to compete in the electoral arena. All there is is the word of some men, the interim charter that those men drew up, and a lot of hope. I'm afraid that 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts' in times like these no longer apply. All that applies is what you can get away with. And that probably won't be much if your particular group is among those challenging the interests, let alone legitmacy, of the junta.

Edited February 24, 2007 by blaze

[ColPyat]

I think if we look at those ex-TRT MPs we will find quite few of them in the next parliament. Even if the TRT is disolved a new replacement party will no doubt rise from the ashes.

I wouldnt disagree that those such as Sondhi have behind the scenes power. We see that in all so called democrat countires even. My point is just that it is wrong for politcal parties to run media outlets whatever country it is in, and that there should be a legal framework to keep that seperation. If Sondhi wants to set up a politcal party of join one he should sell or close his operation.

Those MP's have existed previous to them joining TRT, and now will adapt to the present circumstances. Don't forget - many present power groups, including the ones led Sondhi L., Chamlong, Purachai, etc. can be called ex TRT as well.

They have risen from the ashes a long time ago, and have even set the stage for the coup.

Substantial progress will not happen with any of them, neither TRT, ex TRT, military, or whoever else is part of that elitist and incesteous system.

[sriracha john]

While pressure groups or political parties are both using TV to air propaganda and influence people and one could say to subvert the spirit of democracy there is one difference. Political parties end up being in the legislature and executive while pressure groups do not, so it is probably only here that a legal distinction can be made limiting the control of TV to exclude political parties or those that have recently left them. Of course government run and independent TV stations should be allowed to give politicians air time although this is best regulated too to allow for equal air time for government and opposition. all imho.

Fox News really is a hideous incarnation of all that is worse in western reporting.

Well, yeah, that is assuming that the rump TRT has any chance to end up anywhere else than in oblivion. In realistic terms, the interests represented by Sondhi L. and ASTV have far more power and representation in parliament than would be due.

Never underestimate the real power of extra parliamentary pressue groups, especially in such a system of extreme class differences such as in Thailand, and when represented by a comparatively tiny power elite, such as the one Sondhi L. belongs to.

I think if we look at those ex-TRT MPs we will find quite few of them in the next parliament. Even if the TRT is dissolved a new replacement party will no doubt rise from the ashes.

I wouldn't disagree that those such as Sondhi have behind the scenes power. We see that in all so called democrat countries even. My point is just that it is wrong for political parties to run media outlets whatever country it is in, and that there should be a legal framework to keep that separation. If Sondhi wants to set up a political party of join one he should sell or close his operation.

I agree with you Hammered. But since this is not a democractic country, political 'parties' are at best, lobby groups.

Because there is no constitution in place right now, there is no official institutional guarantee that the political parties will ever be allowed to compete in the electoral arena. All there is is the word of some men, the interim charter that those men drew up, and a lot of hope. I'm afraid that 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts' in times like these no longer apply. All that applies is what you can get away with. And that probably won't be much if your particular group is among those challenging the interests, let alone legitmacy, of the junta.

...or if that group attempts to increase the divisiveness for no other apparent reason than to apparently protect their past misdeeds.

During the time of the interim government, what is left is the existing communications law and if PTV doesn't have a license, then they don't get the opportunity to broadcast. If they wish to pursue a legal challenge in a similar manner as did ASTV, then getting shut down is the first step in that process.

Until they broadcast and break the law and then appeal, there's not much else to do. They, however, seem to want to side-step the process and get permission to broadcast without going through the requisite steps.

[blaze]

While pressure groups or political parties are both using TV to air propaganda and influence people and one could say to subvert the spirit of democracy there is one difference. Political parties end up being in the legislature and executive while pressure groups do not, so it is probably only here that a legal distinction can be made limiting the control of TV to exclude political parties or those that have recently left them. Of course government run and independent TV stations should be allowed to give politicians air time although this is best regulated too to allow for equal air time for government and opposition. all imho.

Fox News really is a hideous incarnation of all that is worse in western reporting.

Well, yeah, that is assuming that the rump TRT has any chance to end up anywhere else than in oblivion. In realistic terms, the interests represented by Sondhi L. and ASTV have far more power and representation in parliament than would be due.

Never underestimate the real power of extra parliamentary pressue groups, especially in such a system of extreme class differences such as in Thailand, and when represented by a comparatively tiny power elite, such as the one Sondhi L. belongs to.

I think if we look at those ex-TRT MPs we will find quite few of them in the next parliament. Even if the TRT is dissolved a new replacement party will no doubt rise from the ashes.

I wouldn't disagree that those such as Sondhi have behind the scenes power. We see that in all so called democrat countries even. My point is just that it is wrong for political parties to run media outlets whatever country it is in, and that there should be a legal framework to keep that separation. If Sondhi wants to set up a political party of join one he should sell or close his operation.

I agree with you Hammered. But since this is not a democractic country, political 'parties' are at best, lobby groups.

Because there is no constitution in place right now, there is no official institutional guarantee that the political parties will ever be allowed to compete in the electoral arena. All there is is the word of some men, the interim charter that those men drew up, and a lot of hope. I'm afraid that 'shoulds' and 'shouldn'ts' in times like these no longer apply. All that applies is what you can get away with. And that probably won't be much if your particular group is among those challenging the interests, let alone legitmacy, of the junta.

...or if that group attempts to increase the divisiveness for no other apparent reason than to apparently protect their past misdeeds.

During the time of the interim government, what is left is the existing communications law and if PTV doesn't have a license, then they don't get the opportunity to broadcast. If they wish to pursue a legal challenge in a similar manner as did ASTV, then getting shut down is the first step in that process.

Until they broadcast and break the law and then appeal, there's not much else to do. They, however, seem to want to side-step the process and get permission to broadcast without going through the requisite steps.

I was responding to Hammered's point that it is wrong for political parties (regardless of whether or not you support that party) to establish private tv stations. Not just in Thailand but in any democratic country. Not whether or not members of the TRT should be allowed to establish one. Under normal conditions (which these, hopefully, are not), I would expect that the individuals seeking to broadcast would enjoy the same rights as any other group. And that because political parties now are no more than lobby groups, , justice would suggest that they should be treated like the PAD was.

But of course, these aren't normal conditions- this is not a democracy- political parties are impotent beyond their ability to function as lobby groups, and there are no constitutional guarantees that apply. I can not imagine a single dictatorship that has ever existed that would grant a license to members of the deposed government to broadcast a message that contradicts the aims of the dictators.

(and I use the term dictators with a certain confidence since NLA member Somkiate Ornwimon, quoted in today's Nation, proudly refers to his as a "dictatorial government". )

[sriracha john]

In the general terms as you describe, I'm not aware of any political party that directly owns their own television channel, but I acknowledge the world is a mighty big place with lots of countries, so I would accept that perhaps somewhere that does occur.

I would agree this is not a democracy now, same as the government prior to this one. Similarly, the previous dictator here refused to grant a license to a non-political party in the form of ASTV. The phrase "dictatorial government" is an interesting one as it indicates he feels that there is not a sole dictator, but rather a dictatorship by consensus of several. Not that any form of dictatorship is desirable.

As for an update on the specifics of PTV, unfortunately the level of BS coming from its TRT founders is reaching critical mass:

PTV to go on air Wednesday

Operators of the new satellite People's Television (PTV), believed to be funded by people close to deposed premier Thaksin Shinawatra, said they would not accept double-standard treatment by the government and would go on the air on Wednesday, ready to fight a legal battle.

PTV executives held a lively launch party Saturday at a Bangkok hotel in defiance of government threats to take legal action. They insisted the controversial broadcasts by ASTV's Sondhi Limthongkul must also be dealt with in court if PTV is sued by the state for running a television station illegally.

Former Thai Rak Thai Party executive Veera Musigapong led other former TRT figures at the press conference yesterday wearing the light-brown uniform of the new television channel, which claims to serve the public by acting like "a small candle shedding the light of truth" on the public. A theme song especially written for the new channel was also played at the news conference amidst a big crowd of supporters who are believed to be pro-Thaksin.

"I feel great. Let us not be afraid of them. Return our democracy and reveal the truth that Thaksin and Thai Rak Thai were not wrong," a supporter shouted in jubilation.

Veera said the new channel was truly people's television and many people had given their support to the idea. Veera's remarks came after months when virtually all television channels have been accusing Thaksin and the TRT Party of numerous misdeeds and corruption, and after instructions from junta leaders to the Thai media to avoid reporting on the deposed premier's latest moves abroad.

Veera added that the station would help steer Thailand into becoming a society that respected the rule of law, and he expressed his surprise at the level of suspicion from the government about the new station despite the fact that the station had not even begun airing its programmes yet. He also said Article 3 of the interim constitution written by the junta itself guaranteed the right to engage in all activities in accordance with the law.

"I don't care what the government does, because we have not done anything wrong," said Veera. "In the past, the channels of communication that served the nation were limited, and we saw no hope for the future. If a station that helps people constructively exchange views exists, it will help the country maintain its democracy.

"PTV was not set up to become an enemy or a threat to anyone. I do not like threats either. PTV is offering a choice to the people so the people won't be forced to close their ears and eyes by having to watch only certain channels. It will truly be the people's channel, and we will ensure people's participation in owning the station by issuing stock," said Veera, who denied having taken any money from Thaksin to set up the station.

Jatuporn Promphan, another former TRT executive, said he expected the government to sue the station on March 1 when it went on the air but he was not afraid, and a legal team had been assembled to defend its rights. He warned that double standards should not be applied when dealing with ASTV, which now broadcasts Sondhi Limthongkul's controversial anti-Thaksin programme on state-controlled Channel 11. Jatuporn said PTV would employ the same methods as ASTV had, which was to put the programmes on the Internet and broadcast via satellite.

Producers for the new channel and former government speaker Charaphob Penkhae said "complicated and wide-ranging" attempts were being made to stop PTV from going on the air and it reflected a fear that the truth would be accessible to the public.

On Monday members of the public can register subscriptions and buy stock. A satellite dish costing Bt5,000 to Bt6,000 will also be needed. Those interested can call (02) 934 9000 for details. Many political-commentary programmes are expected to be aired by the channel.

Meanwhile PM Office Minister Thirapat Serirangsan has ordered the director-general of the Public Relations Department to press legal charges against PTV and insists that no double standards are being applied.

"If PTV insists on going on the air, the director-general of the Public Relations Department, as the officer in charge, will have to take legal action, just as ASTV has also been legally pursued since the last government," said Thirapat, referring to ASTV's pending court injunction.

The Nation

[sriracha john]

Here are some interesting, yet not wholly surprising, tidbits:

TRT party members unveil PTV

Seen attending the station's launch yesterday were people who turned up outside a court to support former Election Commission chairman Wasana Permlarp and fellow commissioners Parinya Nakchudtree and Veerachai Naewboonnian last year.

These TRT supporters were convicted of contempt of court, and are on suspended-jail terms:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1104825

Several PTV news programmes that were unveiled yesterday would be hosted by TRT people and associates including Thana Benjathikul, lawyer of deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Coincidentally, ALSO facing contempt of court charges presently: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1137784

PTV founder Veera Musikapong said the station was established to serve the public and positioned as an alternative media outlet. ''I am not saying that I am not a Thai Rak Thai man."

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/25Feb2007_news01.php

Edited February 25, 2007 by sriracha john

[hammered]

Here are some interesting, yet not wholly surprising, tidbits:

TRT party members unveil PTV

Seen attending the station's launch yesterday were people who turned up outside a court to support former Election Commission chairman Wasana Permlarp and fellow commissioners Parinya Nakchudtree and Veerachai Naewboonnian last year.

These TRT supporters were convicted of contempt of court, and are on suspended-jail terms:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1104825

Several PTV news programmes that were unveiled yesterday would be hosted by TRT people and associates including Thana Benjathikul, lawyer of deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Coincidentally, ALSO facing contempt of court charges presently: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?ac...amp;pid=1137784

PTV founder Veera Musikapong said the station was established to serve the public and positioned as an alternative media outlet. ''I am not saying that I am not a Thai Rak Thai man."

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/25Feb2007_news01.php

It is quite obvious that PTV is not set up to be a commercial business but to be a voice for certain elements of the deposed TRT government. I doubt whether anyone would disagree with that. Unfortunately it also seems to be linked to some of the more unsavory elements of TRT. It is also extremely well funded. If the current government allow it to broadcast they will look weak and it will definitely stir anti-government passions. If on the other hand they ban it, it will look to the world as censorship. It just seems like another TRT organized trap for the current government who do seem to be able to regularly fall into them.

No doubt if it does get on air PTV will be a slick MTV like production with lots of the short soundbites and catchy slogans that TRT used to market itself so effectively before, and of course with the simple populist Thaksin and TRT message. No doubt too it will find many cable operators in certain areas only too ready to broadcast it. I think any national reconcilliation could well be taking a step back right now. I am not sure what the government reaction will be but with this level of goading we could well see the up to now quite light actions take a turn to more heavy.

Edited February 25, 2007 by hammered