Suthep displays ideas of supreme sovereignty

[Torkmada]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

It would be mandate enough if his millions of supporters exceeded the multi millions of supporters Thaksin has.

As it is they don't - so no mandate for the turkey.

[chotthee]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

It would be mandate enough if his millions of supporters exceeded the multi millions of supporters Thaksin has.

As it is they don't - so no mandate for the turkey.

The multi-millions claims by Thaksin are BOUGHT vote.

If the election is free and fair, Suthep will win hands down.

[Torkmada]

Nobody can say, like Suthep did last Saturday, that "I have the sovereign power now, so I can install anybody to be the prime minister."

I'm a firm believer in the collective wisdom of Thaivisa, so despite having read otherwise in Khao Sod, the BKK Post and according to translations given by the Nation staff on Twitter, I still believe that Suthep didn't claim anything like sovereign power for himself or the PDRC. Sadly, I can only presume that this writer is just yet another credulous victim of the red propaganda served up by the above publications.

In fact I was so disappointed after having read this - thinking of all the lies out there and how people believe them - I had to go over to the website goodreads.com and look for inspiring quotes about truth to make myself feel better about the world. Here's one by someone called Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj who I confess I'd never heard of before about five minutes ago. This quote is quite correctly tagged with the words "inspirational" and "spiritual" and those two adjectives certainly describe something of the feeling that one has after reading the quote and trying to absorb such a profound and hopeful message all in one go.

“It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears, the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people. Abandon the false and you are free of pain; truth makes happy, truth liberates.”

There you have it. So in light of that, I believe those of us who stand for happiness and liberation must act to rectify this travesty of an article. I think we should send a group letter to The Nation, letting them know they've been lied to and that Suthep in fact said nothing of the sort about assuming sovereignty and using that same sovereignty to legitimize the unilateral selection of a ''neutral PM'' and a ''People's Council''. All complete claptrap and hokum. Nothing, in fact, could be further from Suthep's mind. I actually feel sorry for those taken in by Khao Sod. But also better about myself for having reiterated the truth here.

Anyway, if anyone does write such a letter, feel free to put my name "Emptyset" as one of the signatorys to it. In the meantime, I shall be bathing in the wisdom of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

There is no collective wisdom on ThaiVisa.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary you choose to believe that Suthep didn't utter the words we all know he did because it doesn't fit in with your prejudiced views.

Things are looking quite dire for the leader of the Thai Taliban when even the Nation has removed the blindfold and prints the truth.

For the wilfully ignorant followers of Suthep in this forum - the future looks bleak.

[Tatsujin]

Nobody can say, like Suthep did last Saturday, that "I have the sovereign power now, so I can install anybody to be the prime minister."

I'm a firm believer in the collective wisdom of Thaivisa, so despite having read otherwise in Khao Sod, the BKK Post and according to translations given by the Nation staff on Twitter, I still believe that Suthep didn't claim anything like sovereign power for himself or the PDRC. Sadly, I can only presume that this writer is just yet another credulous victim of the red propaganda served up by the above publications.

In fact I was so disappointed after having read this - thinking of all the lies out there and how people believe them - I had to go over to the website goodreads.com and look for inspiring quotes about truth to make myself feel better about the world. Here's one by someone called Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj who I confess I'd never heard of before about five minutes ago. This quote is quite correctly tagged with the words "inspirational" and "spiritual" and those two adjectives certainly describe something of the feeling that one has after reading the quote and trying to absorb such a profound and hopeful message all in one go.

“It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears, the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people. Abandon the false and you are free of pain; truth makes happy, truth liberates.”

There you have it. So in light of that, I believe those of us who stand for happiness and liberation must act to rectify this travesty of an article. I think we should send a group letter to The Nation, letting them know they've been lied to and that Suthep in fact said nothing of the sort about assuming sovereignty and using that same sovereignty to legitimize the unilateral selection of a ''neutral PM'' and a ''People's Council''. All complete claptrap and hokum. Nothing, in fact, could be further from Suthep's mind. I actually feel sorry for those taken in by Khao Sod. But also better about myself for having reiterated the truth here.

Anyway, if anyone does write such a letter, feel free to put my name "Emptyset" as one of the signatorys to it. In the meantime, I shall be bathing in the wisdom of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

There is no collective wisdom on ThaiVisa.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary you choose to believe that Suthep didn't utter the words we all know he did because it doesn't fit in with your prejudiced views.

Things are looking quite dire for the leader of the Thai Taliban when even the Nation has removed the blindfold and prints the truth.

For the wilfully ignorant followers of Suthep in this forum - the future looks bleak.

Welcome to ThaiVisa. It's always good to see new (paid) red shirt lackeys posting the latest state propaganda viewpoint.

[Old Man River]

This is a good article. Well written, and the argument is sound. From any standpoint, Suthep went over the top. Virtually everyone recognizes this - probably even him. His words - already over the top and fanciful, and really too silly to be taken seriously - were also subject to the wildest extemporization and treatment on the part of a particularly ludicrous publication that is notoriously known for that. But that notwithstanding, Suthep has managed to take the focus off of Thaksin, taken the focus off the Yingluck administration, taken the focus off of the UDD's intimation of the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission, and even managed to take off the focus off of all the controversial statements of Ko Tee, Jatuporn, Nattawut and Charapong concerning their campaign against the checks and balances and endorsement of a UDD platform that included secession. Incredibly, Suthep has managed to take the focus off of all of that. And so these very same people who have rallied against the judicial system of checks and balances now have the effrontery and hypocrisy of pretending to the outside world that they are the protectors of democracy, even though the judicial process is the foundation stone of a any democracy. Suthep has managed to undo the whole narrative and has subsequently and foolishly played into Thaksin and Pheu Thai's hands. Both Thaksin and Pheu Thai are simply elated at Suthep's remarks, because he has managed in one foolish moment to deflect all the attention from what Pheu Thai has done in the last two and a half years - that entailed activities positively steeped in criminal activity. Even Nattawut is relieved, as no one is asking him about that UDD rally he attended in February that so inconveniently and so embarrassingly haunts his recent " Tuesday stance ".

Suthep needed to do one of three things. He needed either to clarify his remarks, or to distance himself from them, or to step down from the movement. Or all three. CAPO, Surapong, Pheu Thai, Thaksin, both his Thai and foreign lawyers, the UDD - they are all going to town on this. Not only that, but they are now using it as a weapon against all the PDRC leaders - none of whom echoed these remarks, while one in fact - Thaworn - publicly distanced himself from them. They are now even trying to tie this with the Democratic party, and are even taking the opportunity to go after one who has stayed laudably out of the limelight - Abhisit.

For the PDRC to remain on message, Suthep needs to take a back seat. The PDRC needs to get back on message - which is the protection and respect for the judicial process of the constitution. When the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission deliver their verdicts, the PDRC needs to rally support for the courts. Because - to be sure - Pheu Thai, Thaksin, and the UDD will not. And if that happens, the true colours of Pheu Thai will be laid bare.

It is probably too late. Suthep has, in one series of outbursts , on done everything that he, and those who have given their lives, gained. As far as I can ascertain, he cannot find a legal right to do what he is promising. If this is so, he then will be showing the same disdain for the legal system that we think the PTP has shown.

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It doesn't seem to matter what each side says or does. The society is deeply polarized by Thaksin. People who hate him are not going to stop supporting Suthep just because of some slightly incoherent ramblings which were anyway intended as an attack against disrespect shown by PT and the red shirts for the courts and independent agencies. The call to arms and separatism by the red shirts and the interior minister and the deputy commerce minister didn't make much difference either but drew attention to them which is what Suthep is doing. Even flagrant use of weapons by either side and atrocities like the red shirt attacks on children at Trat and Big C don't diminish the two sides' support.

So what will be the effect of a few ill chosen and distorted words be. Do Suthep's supporters just abandon him and surrender the country to Shinawatra kleptocracy for ever?

The only thing that will end this situation permanently will be the removal of the root cause in the form of the demise of Thaksin.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you across the board about the current situation, but from a democratic viewpoint I can't agree.

If the Feb. 2nd non-election showed anything, it was that if Aphisit led the Party, they would have gained on the PTP. He didn't, and now I think anything they had potentially gained, due to Suthep's recent comments, has been lost. The window of opportunity, which was there for the taking, has closed.

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[Torkmada]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

It would be mandate enough if his millions of supporters exceeded the multi millions of supporters Thaksin has.

As it is they don't - so no mandate for the turkey.

The multi-millions claims by Thaksin are BOUGHT vote.

If the election is free and fair, Suthep will win hands down.

Lets get real,

If enough votes to alter an election could be bought, the Singha family and the CP family would have handed over the cash to Abhisit and not bothered with funding Suthep.

Thai elections are free and fair and the Thai people repeatedly elect the government of their choosing uncoerced.

There is no cheating or conspiracies, the Democrats are just unpopular.

[chotthee]

Nobody can say, like Suthep did last Saturday, that "I have the sovereign power now, so I can install anybody to be the prime minister."

I'm a firm believer in the collective wisdom of Thaivisa, so despite having read otherwise in Khao Sod, the BKK Post and according to translations given by the Nation staff on Twitter, I still believe that Suthep didn't claim anything like sovereign power for himself or the PDRC. Sadly, I can only presume that this writer is just yet another credulous victim of the red propaganda served up by the above publications.

In fact I was so disappointed after having read this - thinking of all the lies out there and how people believe them - I had to go over to the website goodreads.com and look for inspiring quotes about truth to make myself feel better about the world. Here's one by someone called Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj who I confess I'd never heard of before about five minutes ago. This quote is quite correctly tagged with the words "inspirational" and "spiritual" and those two adjectives certainly describe something of the feeling that one has after reading the quote and trying to absorb such a profound and hopeful message all in one go.

“It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears, the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people. Abandon the false and you are free of pain; truth makes happy, truth liberates.”

There you have it. So in light of that, I believe those of us who stand for happiness and liberation must act to rectify this travesty of an article. I think we should send a group letter to The Nation, letting them know they've been lied to and that Suthep in fact said nothing of the sort about assuming sovereignty and using that same sovereignty to legitimize the unilateral selection of a ''neutral PM'' and a ''People's Council''. All complete claptrap and hokum. Nothing, in fact, could be further from Suthep's mind. I actually feel sorry for those taken in by Khao Sod. But also better about myself for having reiterated the truth here.

Anyway, if anyone does write such a letter, feel free to put my name "Emptyset" as one of the signatorys to it. In the meantime, I shall be bathing in the wisdom of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

There is no collective wisdom on ThaiVisa.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary you choose to believe that Suthep didn't utter the words we all know he did because it doesn't fit in with your prejudiced views.

Things are looking quite dire for the leader of the Thai Taliban when even the Nation has removed the blindfold and prints the truth.

For the wilfully ignorant followers of Suthep in this forum - the future looks bleak.

Welcome to ThaiVisa. It's always good to see new (paid) red shirt lackeys posting the latest state propaganda viewpoint.

Suthep never said it.

Only the Red-press said that Suthep said it.

[bigbamboo]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

Did Suthep wake up enlightened in his mission to save Thailand from the Chinese clan from the north? If he thought he was the new Buddha he'd be aiming even higher than Khun T himself.

But back in the real world both dictators have hefty support for their brand of democracy. Of course we will never know who is the people's choice until we have an election to find out. As politicians here can't be trusted perhaps Surapong could have a word on his travels about getting some neutrals in to referee the contest.

I think we've all had just about enough of this reality circus now.

[sae57]

" in 2011 during an election where they were not allowed to campaign for 80% of the votes due to campaign intimidation from the red shirts hired by Thaksin. Also the vast amount of voters intimidated by red thugs and village chiefs forcing them to vote PTP against threat of violence and harm"

Have lived in rural Roi Et, in a "Redshirt Village" deep in Redshirt country. (My wife & I & several others are staunchly anti-Thaksin) I've never seen this kind of abuse. Nobody forces anybody to vote for anybody, and in 2011 the Demo MP candidate for our district campaigned freely alongside the PTP. Indeed the D. guy inspired cheers for Abhisit's policies & the best the PTP guy could do was to claim that Thaisin would have done that if he hadn't been deposed (yawns). Yes, many farmers were willing to admit grudgingly that Abhisit did better by them than TS had. So why did they vote the way they did? Part of the answer (only part) is that they believed as a matter of course that TS would come back and personally pay off their debts. That's a widespread bedrock belief out here. Of course never said publicly--hense never confirmed or denied.

--S

[Torkmada]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

If he has millions of supporters then surely he can win an election, no?

Well they got 11.5 votes while they were at their weakest in 2011 during an election where they were not allowed to campaign for 80% of the votes due to campaign intimidation from the red shirts hired by Thaksin. Also the vast amount of voters intimidated by red thugs and village chiefs forcing them to vote PTP against threat of violence and harm...

In the past 3 years, they would have picked up even more due to the ineptitude of the PTP government and the shambles they have made of ALL their populist policies.

So yes..... The Dems can get many votes.

In fact, in a FREE and FAIR election, they would almost certainly take PTP to the cleaners.

But getting FREE and FAIR elections is impossible while Thaksin wields influence in Thailand and holds the north in his tyrannical grip through fear.

The Democrats were at their weakest when Thaksin was at his strongest - the 2005 election

Thaksin got 14,077,711 votes or 56.4%

Democrats got 4,018,286 or 16.1%

It was this astounding differential that caused the beginning of all the coup nonsense, the establishment realised that they would never win an election against the extremely popular Thaksin Shinawatra and so opted to step away from democracy.

Thaksins vote in 2011 was over 1,500,000 higher than 2005 so it could be argued that the coup that bought Abhisit to power actually increased Thaksins popularity.

Maybe in the next election, given the near universal hatred of Suthep, Thaksin may actually break 20,000,000 votes and the Democrats may plunge well below their previous nadir of barely 4,000,000.

No wonder the Democrats boycott elections a lot

[Torkmada]

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Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

If he has millions of supporters then surely he can win an election, no?

Well they got 11.5 votes while they were at their weakest in 2011 during an election where they were not allowed to campaign for 80% of the votes due to campaign intimidation from the red shirts hired by Thaksin. Also the vast amount of voters intimidated by red thugs and village chiefs forcing them to vote PTP against threat of violence and harm...

In the past 3 years, they would have picked up even more due to the ineptitude of the PTP government and the shambles they have made of ALL their populist policies.

So yes..... The Dems can get many votes.

In fact, in a FREE and FAIR election, they would almost certainly take PTP to the cleaners.

But getting FREE and FAIR elections is impossible while Thaksin wields influence in Thailand and holds the north in his tyrannical grip through fear.

Have the UN come in as observers , ensure that no intimidation from villages heads, red shirts etc , just one whisper of intimidation and the UN tells the world about Thailand and its freely fought elections ,you make some very valid points, good to see.

Democrats would never agree to UN observers because they know the UN will see that the elections are free and fair and that the Democrats have been lying about the extent of vote buying and intimidation by Thaksin - and they would tell the world exactly that.

The last thing the Democrats want is irrefutable proof that they are in fact nothing more than sore losers.

[Torkmada]

I'm certainly against the Shin conspiracy, and if the PDRC can chuck them out, then good. But if (big IF) Suthep really said those things, in the context that has been reported, then he is a megalomaniac that should not be allowed to continue.

I suspect that AV knows this, and is biding his time. I suspect AV is watching and learning, and hopefully will reform the entire system and stamp out corruption.

AV wears a skirt and does what he's told.

[Torkmada]

There is no collective wisdom on ThaiVisa.

Despite all the evidence to the contrary you choose to believe that Suthep didn't utter the words we all know he did because it doesn't fit in with your prejudiced views.

Things are looking quite dire for the leader of the Thai Taliban when even the Nation has removed the blindfold and prints the truth.

For the wilfully ignorant followers of Suthep in this forum - the future looks bleak.

Welcome to ThaiVisa. It's always good to see new (paid) red shirt lackeys posting the latest state propaganda viewpoint.

Suthep never said it.

Only the Red-press said that Suthep said it.

Multiple sources have reported on Sutheps slip of the tongue.

Only wilful ignorance can allow anyone to believe he "never said it"

The leader of the Thai Taliban has revealed his true intentions and it will be his final undoing.

[animatic]

Of course there is a third little mentioned coup.

Coup d'Argent or the Power Of Silver Coin to take over a country,

and wrest it's ACTUAL control from the sovereignty of the people.

The facade of Democracy remains, but the reality it nothing of the sort.

Affectively the current government has used this last coup, Coup d'Argent,

to rape the national coffers and use those ill gotten gains to maintain their hold.

[Torkmada]

This is no comment one way or the other on Suthep's verbal ramblings... But just a question.

Is there any real difference between a military coup, of which Thailand has had made, vs. a, for lack of a better term, a "people's coup"?

AFAIK, the military have no legal right under any Thai law to overthrow a sitting, elected Thai government -- no matter how bad it may be. Yet they've done so many times.

So how would a people's coup be any different -- other than that the military has the weapons and force to better execute such a thing, compared to the average citizens on the street. Although, these days, based on the numbers of shootings and grenade attacks occurring, the citizens on the street seem to be pretty well armed.

A coup is a coup. For those who believe in democracy, it is never correct. For others, best evaluated a few years hence.

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So on that basis, the 2010 red shirt protests were an attempted coup also? The demands were the same, that the current sitting Govt step down.

The red shirts demands were for immediate elections - not a coup!

Abhisit came to power on the back of unjust judicial verdicts that resulted in PPP being disbanded and it's MP's barred.

The proper thing for Abhisits government to do in such a situation is to dissolve parliament and call elections returning power back to the people to decide who shall lead them.

A perfect example of the right way to lead a nation is to look at Yinglucks response to the street protests against the amnesty bill.

She immediately dissolved parliament so that the peoples voice could be heard in a general election.

Only one side in this fracas truly respects the citizens who are the ultimate owners of this nation and it aint the Democrats.

[chotthee]

Of course there is a third little mentioned coup.

Coup d'Argent or the Power Of Silver Coin to take over a country,

and wrest it's ACTUAL control from the sovereignty of the people.

The facade of Democracy remains, but the reality it nothing of the sort.

Affectively the current government has used this last coup, Coup d'Argent,

to rape the national coffers and use those ill gotten gains to maintain their hold.

Robin Hood?

[Torkmada]

I don't know exactly what Suthep meant by his apparently ill-considered remarks and I don't suppose many other people do either. But the caretaker government's response seems to be an overreaction. Article 113 of the Penal Code that they are asking their DSI poodles to investigate only deals with violence or threats of violence used to overthrow the government or constitution. Suthep didn't actually mention anything about violence in his ramblings. That has so far been the sole prerogative of government ministers and their red shirts who are threatening to form an armed volunteer force.

The government failed to react to separatist threats by their paid red shirt lackeys and announcements by government ministers of the formation of an armed terrorist group. Now they are up in arms about some incomprehensible nonsense spouted by Suthep on the stage. Yingluck is even trying to involve the Army Chief, while her moronic cousin, 'Dr' Suraphong, is trying to get the US ambassadress to take her break from her adoring devotion to Thai people and culture to dial in an air strike on the monitor lizards of Lumpini Park. Double standards?

It's very clear what Suthep meant by his well thought out remarks.

The courts throw out Yingluck and he takes over to do whatever he pleases, whenever he pleases to whomever he pleases.

Its exactly what unelected tyrants do, so no real surprises here. The only ones that are shocked are the idiots who bought into Sutheps lies about fighting corruption and "restoring" democracy.

It seems the supposedly dimwitted red shirts supporters are far more clever than the Suthep loving farangs when it comes to picking lying cheating dictators in the making.

[Old Man River]

This is no comment one way or the other on Suthep's verbal ramblings... But just a question.

Is there any real difference between a military coup, of which Thailand has had made, vs. a, for lack of a better term, a "people's coup"?

AFAIK, the military have no legal right under any Thai law to overthrow a sitting, elected Thai government -- no matter how bad it may be. Yet they've done so many times.

So how would a people's coup be any different -- other than that the military has the weapons and force to better execute such a thing, compared to the average citizens on the street. Although, these days, based on the numbers of shootings and grenade attacks occurring, the citizens on the street seem to be pretty well armed.

A coup is a coup. For those who believe in democracy, it is never correct. For others, best evaluated a few years hence.

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So on that basis, the 2010 red shirt protests were an attempted coup also? The demands were the same, that the current sitting Govt step down.

Yes.

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[metisdead]

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[sweatalot]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

It would be mandate enough if his millions of supporters exceeded the multi millions of supporters Thaksin has.

As it is they don't - so no mandate for the turkey.

The multi-millions claims by Thaksin are BOUGHT vote.

If the election is free and fair, Suthep will win hands down.

The multi-millions claims by Thaksin are BOUGHT vote.

Aren't they also achieved by pressure and intimidation?

[sweatalot]

I don't know exactly what Suthep meant by his apparently ill-considered remarks and I don't suppose many other people do either. But the caretaker government's response seems to be an overreaction. Article 113 of the Penal Code that they are asking their DSI poodles to investigate only deals with violence or threats of violence used to overthrow the government or constitution. Suthep didn't actually mention anything about violence in his ramblings. That has so far been the sole prerogative of government ministers and their red shirts who are threatening to form an armed volunteer force.

The government failed to react to separatist threats by their paid red shirt lackeys and announcements by government ministers of the formation of an armed terrorist group. Now they are up in arms about some incomprehensible nonsense spouted by Suthep on the stage. Yingluck is even trying to involve the Army Chief, while her moronic cousin, 'Dr' Suraphong, is trying to get the US ambassadress to take her break from her adoring devotion to Thai people and culture to dial in an air strike on the monitor lizards of Lumpini Park. Double standards?

It's very clear what Suthep meant by his well thought out remarks.

The courts throw out Yingluck and he takes over to do whatever he pleases, whenever he pleases to whomever he pleases.

Its exactly what unelected tyrants do, so no real surprises here. The only ones that are shocked are the idiots who bought into Sutheps lies about fighting corruption and "restoring" democracy.

It seems the supposedly dimwitted red shirts supporters are far more clever than the Suthep loving farangs when it comes to picking lying cheating dictators in the making.

I understand his remarks in a different way:

When the courts rightfully decide that Yingluck has to be removed from office

and Yingluck and the PTP ignore the law and just stay in office - which can be expected

In this case the law has to be enfortced

which is the job of police

If they do not do that - which is what can be expected

the people have to do that - and he will help.

[rabas]

Of course there is a third little mentioned coup.

Coup d'Argent or the Power Of Silver Coin to take over a country,

and wrest it's ACTUAL control from the sovereignty of the people.

The facade of Democracy remains, but the reality it nothing of the sort.

Affectively the current government has used this last coup, Coup d'Argent,

to rape the national coffers and use those ill gotten gains to maintain their hold.

Very well put. This what I suspected from the beginning. The amnesty bill may have been just a feint. If Thaksin cannot come home to rule the roost, then drain the national coffers to pay himself back the money "owed" him, and this is why they are working hard to stop the rice scheme and the 2 TRILLION Baht "hidden expenditure" infrastructure bill. I'm still wondering if anyone knows why K. Thakin's visible overseas fortune increased by a whopping billion plus dollars just last year, as reported on Forbes website. Forbes had a comment that Thaksin informed them in October that the money was from funds owed to him by the Thai government (lol, his sister?).

So we can forget about people's coups, judicial coups, and ballot coups.

I just hope the Coup d'Argent does not end in Silver Armageddon.

Edited April 9, 2014 by rabas

[Eric Loh]

I don't know exactly what Suthep meant by his apparently ill-considered remarks and I don't suppose many other people do either. But the caretaker government's response seems to be an overreaction. Article 113 of the Penal Code that they are asking their DSI poodles to investigate only deals with violence or threats of violence used to overthrow the government or constitution. Suthep didn't actually mention anything about violence in his ramblings. That has so far been the sole prerogative of government ministers and their red shirts who are threatening to form an armed volunteer force.

The government failed to react to separatist threats by their paid red shirt lackeys and announcements by government ministers of the formation of an armed terrorist group. Now they are up in arms about some incomprehensible nonsense spouted by Suthep on the stage. Yingluck is even trying to involve the Army Chief, while her moronic cousin, 'Dr' Suraphong, is trying to get the US ambassadress to take her break from her adoring devotion to Thai people and culture to dial in an air strike on the monitor lizards of Lumpini Park. Double standards?

It's very clear what Suthep meant by his well thought out remarks.

The courts throw out Yingluck and he takes over to do whatever he pleases, whenever he pleases to whomever he pleases.

Its exactly what unelected tyrants do, so no real surprises here. The only ones that are shocked are the idiots who bought into Sutheps lies about fighting corruption and "restoring" democracy.

It seems the supposedly dimwitted red shirts supporters are far more clever than the Suthep loving farangs when it comes to picking lying cheating dictators in the making.

I understand his remarks in a different way:

When the courts rightfully decide that Yingluck has to be removed from office

and Yingluck and the PTP ignore the law and just stay in office - which can be expected

In this case the law has to be enfortced

which is the job of police

If they do not do that - which is what can be expected

the people have to do that - and he will help.

If the constitutional judges don't subvert the judiciary system, she will be acquitted. If they do convict, she will exit. There are capable deputy to step in. The real coup will be that the judges completely tear the law to shred and rule the whole cabinet out and creat a power vacuum. Who knows then. They should be wise enough not to do that.

[pisico]

The City he comes from and where he and his brother playing Godfathers has a very known hospital for mental illness...

555 Witty !

But that does not apply to khun Suthep. He is crazy like a fox.

After years of evading justice since 1995 using judicial connections and the above the law patronage system, he has grown confident that not only he can beat the rap for his involvement in the death of 99 and thousands injured during the Red protest but that he will rise to power in government once again.

Only simpletons will support and respect this old politico with delusions of grandeur.

[rabas]

The City he comes from and where he and his brother playing Godfathers has a very known hospital for mental illness...

555 Witty !

But that does not apply to khun Suthep. He is crazy like a fox.

After years of evading justice since 1995 using judicial connections and the above the law patronage system, he has grown confident that not only he can beat the rap for his involvement in the death of 99 and thousands injured during the Red protest but that he will rise to power in government once again.

Only simpletons will support and respect this old politico with delusions of grandeur.

I think only simpletons could believe that Suthup is running the show.

[fcbkk]

Of course there is a third little mentioned coup.

Coup d'Argent or the Power Of Silver Coin to take over a country,

and wrest it's ACTUAL control from the sovereignty of the people.

The facade of Democracy remains, but the reality it nothing of the sort.

Affectively the current government has used this last coup, Coup d'Argent,

to rape the national coffers and use those ill gotten gains to maintain their hold.

Very well put. This what I suspected from the beginning. The amnesty bill may have been just a feint. If Thaksin cannot come home to rule the roost, then drain the national coffers to pay himself back the money "owed" him, and this is why they are working hard to stop the rice scheme and the 2 TRILLION Baht "hidden expenditure" infrastructure bill. I'm still wondering if anyone knows why K. Thakin's visible overseas fortune increased by a whopping billion plus dollars just last year, as reported on Forbes website. Forbes had a comment that Thaksin informed them in October that the money was from funds owed to him by the Thai government (lol, his sister?).

So we can forget about people's coups, judicial coups, and ballot coups.

I just hope the Coup d'Argent does not end in Silver Armageddon.

good point. sorry if this is somewhat outside of the original topic, but does anyone have more info on the 1 billion USD that Thaksin claimed to have received?

i thought i saw that he told Forbes during an interview in October, but i cannot confirm if this is correct.

was this confirmed independently, or was there a comment from government whether this was true and what the reasons/source of this "return" of funds was?

[Hugh Geen]

I would of thought that claiming one had sovereignty was a clear case of lèse majesté.

[animatic]

Of course there is a third little mentioned coup.

Coup d'Argent or the Power Of Silver Coin to take over a country,

and wrest it's ACTUAL control from the sovereignty of the people.

The facade of Democracy remains, but the reality it nothing of the sort.

Affectively the current government has used this last coup, Coup d'Argent,

to rape the national coffers and use those ill gotten gains to maintain their hold.

Robin Hood?

More like robbing graves, to steel the gold teeth.

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[kieran2698]

Suthep have millions of supporters who want him to be PM. Isn't that mandate enough to rule the country? Many people will come out to donate and protect him if Yingluck try to arrest him. Also, Thai court have no right what so ever to summon him at all, because he protest peacefully and without weapon.

55555555555555555555555 Then why don't they vote for him? Possibly because of his history of corruption, violating the constitution, ordering the murder of protestors and assassination of a journalist?

And the court already decided in several cases that Suthep should be tried for murder. Seeing as the CRES, Department of Special Investigations, Public Prosecutors and the Police all agree, I think you will find that gives the court the right to summon him. 555

[kieran2698]

Of course there is a third little mentioned coup.

Coup d'Argent or the Power Of Silver Coin to take over a country,

and wrest it's ACTUAL control from the sovereignty of the people.

The facade of Democracy remains, but the reality it nothing of the sort.

Affectively the current government has used this last coup, Coup d'Argent,

to rape the national coffers and use those ill gotten gains to maintain their hold.

Very well put. This what I suspected from the beginning. The amnesty bill may have been just a feint. If Thaksin cannot come home to rule the roost, then drain the national coffers to pay himself back the money "owed" him, and this is why they are working hard to stop the rice scheme and the 2 TRILLION Baht "hidden expenditure" infrastructure bill. I'm still wondering if anyone knows why K. Thakin's visible overseas fortune increased by a whopping billion plus dollars just last year, as reported on Forbes website. Forbes had a comment that Thaksin informed them in October that the money was from funds owed to him by the Thai government (lol, his sister?).

So we can forget about people's coups, judicial coups, and ballot coups.

I just hope the Coup d'Argent does not end in Silver Armageddon.

good point. sorry if this is somewhat outside of the original topic, but does anyone have more info on the 1 billion USD that Thaksin claimed to have received?

i thought i saw that he told Forbes during an interview in October, but i cannot confirm if this is correct.

was this confirmed independently, or was there a comment from government whether this was true and what the reasons/source of this "return" of funds was?

I understood it was his assets that were frozen and then released as it was proven that they were earned through business interests prior to his involvement in politics.