Democrat leader Abhisit looks forward to political vacuum

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Democrat leader Abhisit looks forward to political vacuum
By English News



BANGKOK, April 16 – Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said that proposed resolutions to the months-long political crisis cannot begin unless Thailand is a state of political vacuum.

He was referring to a group of older Thai citizens who called on Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanond to seek a royal command to resolve the political impasse and a proposal by caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri for His Majesty the King to exercise his power under Section 7 of the Constitution in case the political turmoil evolves to the stage of being a political vacuum.

Mr Abhisit said Thailand has to reach the situation when the caretaker prime minister is removed before a dialogue from all related factions could start.

However, he would not comment on whether he agreed with such a process.

The former prime minister reiterated the Democrat Party’s readiness to participate in a dialogue among political parties on preparations for the next general election, initiated by the Election Commission (EC) and scheduled for next Tuesday.

He urged the ruling Pheu Thai Party to assign a fully-authorised person to join the meeting.

Noppadol Pattama, a Pheu Thai executive, gave assurances that his party would definitely assign a representative with decision-making power to attend the EC-initiated meeting and the party would not set any preconditions whatsoever.

The Pheu Thai Party will not argue the Democrats’ demand for a live broadcast of the forum, bearing in mind that the best solutions to the political conflict is a fair and clean election, he said.

Referring to the proposals by respected older Thai citizens and caretaker Justice Minister Chaikasem on resolutions for Thailand, Mr Noppadol said everyone has rights to propose but any group of people or political parties should not set conditions or act against attempt to resolve the country’s crisis.

“An attempt with the objective to win but ignoring the rules or the feeling of 65 million people is equivalent to tearing the social contract of co-existence – an act which will contribute to endless conflict,” he said. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2014-04-16

[moonao]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

[chadintheusa]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

I agree with you, he was a much better Prime Minister than opposition leader. The murder charges are just political posturing. People have died during the current protests so by the same logic Yingluck could be charged with murder. PTP leaders don't need to resign, they get kicked out sooner or later. Doesn't matter where they are educated Thai leaders are all the same. Thaksin was educated in the USA after all. Thai politicians are in it to make money. Same as police or soldiers in Thailand. None of them are looking to serve the public.

[noitom]

This is all Thai code speak.

[tezzainoz]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

your opinion only

My opinion and that of many others is this oxford educated politician has done more for democracy that PTP even dream about

so as there are two sides to a story

what do you say Thailand should do, that is not baised to any side

[AryanicAristocrat]

A Garbage that should get out of thai politics for good .Maybe he should run to become <ayor of Yaowarat after all thats where all his fans are and who he supports anyway.

[Chupup]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

Wow, you are in a bad mood this morning, why don't you have another cup of coffee it might make you feel a little better Oh then take off your red tinted classes , what i do agree with you on is that the

useless, anti democratic PTP leader should resign

[binjalin]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

your opinion only

My opinion and that of many others is this oxford educated politician has done more for democracy that PTP even dream about

so as there are two sides to a story

what do you say Thailand should do, that is not baised to any side

the only vacuum is in his ethics and political thinking

he is respected by none for his non-democratic stance and his over protection of the elite he seeks to serve

Thailand needs a third way based on:

• reform of the judiciary followed by other reforms (Police, Army etc) and all the corruption
• non-attachment to the old feudal system (inc. les majeste reform) bye bye 'krenge jai'
• protected elections

Neither the PTP nor the PDRC/Dems can deliver this

[thesetat2013]

A Garbage that should get out of thai politics for good .Maybe he should run to become

More people are saying this now but they are saying it about the Shin family and the PTP. Personally i think all of them shouldbe banned from politics since both the Dems and the PTP with the Shin family have shown they are corrupt and want their positions in leadership to benefit themselves and not for the people. Dissolve these charters and find someone who truly cares for the people and the country.

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[Thait Spot]

A Garbage that should get out of thai politics for good .Maybe he should run to become

What a half witted and simple minded post. Don't forget all the Chinese in the Shinawatra clan.

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[Fryslan boppe]

"Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said that proposed resolutions to the months-long political crisis cannot begin unless Thailand is a state of political vacuum"

What political crisis?....Coup advocacy does not a political crisis make.

"Proposed resolutions?".........Does he mean humoring Coup advocates? Does he mean the establishment of a Civilian Dictatorship has room for negotiations?

I keep talking about the need for the DP to "reform itself before elections"....One significant reform would obviously mean a change of leadership and this quote simply affirms that necessity....

For competitive elections to happen, the DP needs to extend their voting appeal beyond where it is currently. In other words, they need to make electoral in-roads to the very people whose votes he is currently seeking to nullify by rendering them irrelevant....via his desire for a "political vacuum"......................Not smart.

Consider the alternative......Respect those votes, validate them and the decisions they have rendered, and move to the next level....development of policies attractive to the various electoral segments, nation wide...and get out there to sell them.......

Simply a matter of a progressive positive approach vs. a negative, political dismantling approach which "kicks voters in the head"......Why is that so difficult for the anti-Democrat DP to understand.........Does being in bed with the "Lumpini coup advocates" pretending to be protesters and anti-Govt., advance their electoral prospects?.....You answer that.

Edited April 16, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Publicus]

Abhisit has lost his virginity so it's all over for him. He fooled a lot of the people for a long time, but not any more. Once a politician has exposed himself as a fraud there's no regaining anyone's confidence.

And only Abhisit could lose his virginity all by himself, screwing only himself. That's quite a feat, losing your political virginity by screwing yourself and only an Abhisit could do it.

He and the DP are now groveling back and on their knees, trying desperately to get back into the game. For Abhisit, it's a case of cometh the hour, stembleth the man, flat on his face.

Abhisit still has not definitively broken from the self-appointed sovereign, the fascist lunatic Suthep and also the PDRC. He says the prime minister and the government need to be thrown out, but he can't say he agrees with what he himself says. A political vacuum benefits only the raging megalomaniac Suthep and Abhsisit knows it.

When one looks at Suthep and Abhisit it's clear who the bottom is.

I used to think Abhisit had two faces, but I now realize it's more than that. He has two faces on four cheeks.

[expat888]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

Wow, you are in a bad mood this morning, why don't you have another cup of coffee it might make you feel a little better Oh then take off your red tinted classes , what i do agree with you on is that the

useless, anti democratic PTP leader should resign

Could you edit your post? I didn't understand anything you wrote.

[expat888]

IMO the constitution is flawed. If a group of protesters can hold a country hostage for months where no one does anything about it and eventually unseats an elected set of representatives something is wrong. If you don't like your government you change them by voting them out. If you have near constant protest to overthrow the government then you have chaos.

[diehard60]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

I agree with you, he was a much better Prime Minister than opposition leader. The murder charges are just political posturing. People have died during the current protests so by the same logic Yingluck could be charged with murder. PTP leaders don't need to resign, they get kicked out sooner or later. Doesn't matter where they are educated Thai leaders are all the same. Thaksin was educated in the USA after all. Thai politicians are in it to make money. Same as police or soldiers in Thailand. None of them are looking to serve the public.

Now why could she be charged? She did not order the police or the army to open fire like abhisit and your ever loving supreme leader suthep has done.

[diehard60]

A Garbage that should get out of thai politics for good .Maybe he should run to become

What a half witted and simple minded post. Don't forget all the Chinese in the Shinawatra clan.

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And dont forget all the peole in your clan too.

[diehard60]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

your opinion only

My opinion and that of many others is this oxford educated politician has done more for democracy that PTP even dream about

so as there are two sides to a story

what do you say Thailand should do, that is not baised to any side

Yep you are correct. They have stopped people from doing what is constitutional given to them VOTING. That is a very democratic thing to do RIGHT????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Thait Spot]

"Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said that proposed resolutions to the months-long political crisis cannot begin unless Thailand is a state of political vacuum"

What political crisis?....Coup advocacy does not a political crisis make.

"Proposed resolutions?".........Does he mean humoring Coup advocates? Does he mean the establishment of a Civilian Dictatorship has room for negotiations?

I keep talking about the need for the DP to "reform itself before elections"....One significant reform would obviously mean a change of leadership and this quote simply affirms that necessity....

For competitive elections to happen, the DP needs to extend their voting appeal beyond where it is currently. In other words, they need to make electoral in-roads to the very people whose votes he is currently seeking to nullify by rendering them irrelevant....via his desire for a "political vacuum"......................Not smart.

Consider the alternative......Respect those votes, validate them and the decisions they have rendered, and move to the next level....development of policies attractive to the various electoral segments, nation wide...and get out there to sell them.......

Simply a matter of a progressive positive approach vs. a negative, political dismantling approach which "kicks voters in the head"......Why is that so difficult for the anti-Democrat DP to understand.........Does being in bed with the "Lumpini coup advocates" pretending to be protesters and anti-Govt., advance their electoral prospects?.....You answer that.

Blah blah coup

Blah blah coup

Blah blah coup

Baa baa red sheep

Have you any brains?

No sir, no sir,

That's all that I can say

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[DirtFarmer]

Hope everybody had a good Songkran!

Unfortunately Mr Abhisit has lost all credibility ...and the "sweetheart' photos just don't cut it anymore...The attempt to portray him, as a darling repulses me now... I have lost all respect for him through his devious but obvious machinations... and his group of 'older Thai citizen/sponsors' ...is one of the the biggest parts of the problems facing this country. But they are circling the wagons , eh? For the final push...? Almost all the faces and players are showing their cards.......They too will have to come to grips with the fact that truth and information can no longer be kept from the greater populous ... more and more information that so long has been so guarded will soon come to bear and Thais will become more and more empowered by it and the chokehold that Abhisit and his sponsors and those that were the face before him had on the general population will eventually crumble...he may be jockeying for a shot at sitting in the chair once again...and may be attempting to take up the mantle of reason and moderation... at the moment, but I truly believe the Thai people are not fooled by him anymore...though I continue to be amused...

Edited April 16, 2014 by DirtFarmer

[JesseFrank]

Noppadol Pattama, a Pheu Thai executive, gave assurances that his party would definitely assign a representative with decision-making power to attend the EC-initiated meeting

I guess that leaves the only option that Thaksin is gonna attend the meeting.

[Thait Spot]

Hope everybody had a good Songkran!

Unfortunately Mr Abhisit has lost all credibility ...and the "sweetheart' photos just don't cut it anymore...The attempt to portray him, as a darling repulses me now... I have lost all respect for him through his devious but obvious machinations... and his group of 'older Thai citizen/sponsors' ...is one of the the biggest parts of the problems facing this country. But they are circling the wagons , eh? For the final push...? Almost all the faces and players are showing their cards.......They too will have to come to grips with the fact that truth and information can no longer be kept from the greater populous ... more and more information that so long has been so guarded will soon come to bear and Thais will become more and more empowered by it and the chokehold that Abhisit and his sponsors and those that were the face before him had on the general population will eventually crumble...he may be jockeying for a shot at sitting in the chair once again...and may be attempting to take up the mantle of reason and moderation... at the moment, but I truly believe the Thai people are not fooled by him anymore...though I continue to be amused...

I would sooner a hundred Abhisits than any of those scurrilous bar stewards who lied and cheated in the house and dragged Thai democracy into the sewers

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[thesetat2013]

IMO the constitution is flawed. If a group of protesters can hold a country hostage for months where no one does anything about it and eventually unseats an elected set of representatives something is wrong. If you don't like your government you change them by voting them out. If you have near constant protest to overthrow the government then you have chaos.

You're wrong many things. First this country has not been held hostage at all. Second, this caretaker gov did not eventually get unseated. YL unseated the MPs and herself within month of the beginning of the protest and she only did that thinking a fast new election would put her back as PM with a majority vote.

Thirdly, if not for the constitution allowing these people to speak out against the Gov then the crimes and deciet this Gov commited would not have surfaced. Surely it would still be happening. It only takes one person to open the eyes of others to see wrongs are commited.

Even if a Gov is elected this does not give them the right to abuse their position or to use their inner knowledge to have personal gain nor to change the laws secretly for gain. So you should think about your so electoral vote. Even i would vote for someone i believed in. But more so, i would do everything i could to oust them if i found out they lied and were corrupted even though i voted for them. Think about how the PTP works. If they all still had their power positions no court or agency would rule or even act on any investigation that would incriminate them. Fear alone or bribery would prevent them. This is the thai way.

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[IamNoone88]

In my opinion, he was an ineffective leader who could have delivered so much, but did not because of the horsetrading that took place around him. His administration was weak and ineffective and he lost control. He had his chance. Time for some-one new who can really make a difference.

[Eric Loh]

Highly over rated and a total failure during his tenure which came in via the back door of democracy. A full time politician who has not work in his whole adult life carries all the handicaps required to run the economy. A top notch education and a gifted orator don't equates to a good administrator of the government if you are weak and beholdened. Though still time for him to reinvent himself and be a top civil servant.

[Fryslan boppe]

Noppadol Pattama, a Pheu Thai executive, gave assurances that his party would definitely assign a representative with decision-making power to attend the EC-initiated meeting

I guess that leaves the only option that Thaksin is gonna attend the meeting.

Yes, I hope so.

Better to have someone with electoral legitimacy there, than the coup-makers who deposed him, and were in turn deposed themselves by the electorate afterward.

[Fryslan boppe]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

I agree with you, he was a much better Prime Minister than opposition leader. The murder charges are just political posturing. People have died during the current protests so by the same logic Yingluck could be charged with murder. The murder charges are just political posturing. Doesn't matter where they are educated Thai leaders are all the same. Thaksin was educated in the USA after all. Thai politicians are in it to make money. Same as police or soldiers in Thailand. None of them are looking to serve the public.

"The murder charges are just political posturing",

As was all the selfr-serving Thaksin demonization stuff, beginning with the coup-maker kangaroo courts.

Certainly the electorate understood that.

However, the above quote does bring into focus, the need to "de-politicize the courts' before considering the AV/Suthep murder charges.

[JesseFrank]

Noppadol Pattama, a Pheu Thai executive, gave assurances that his party would definitely assign a representative with decision-making power to attend the EC-initiated meeting

I guess that leaves the only option that Thaksin is gonna attend the meeting.

Yes, I hope so.

Better to have someone with electoral legitimacy there, than the coup-makers who deposed him, and were in turn deposed themselves by the electorate afterward.

I never realised that the interim government was deposed, i always was from the opinion that it was an agreement that they would step down to make place for new elections.

Well one can learn something everyday from a red shirt. NOT?

By the way there are without doubt a lot of people who would be happy if Thaksin attended the meeting, but I'm afraid they're not all supporters.

[ginjag]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

I agree with you, he was a much better Prime Minister than opposition leader. The murder charges are just political posturing. People have died during the current protests so by the same logic Yingluck could be charged with murder. The murder charges are just political posturing. Doesn't matter where they are educated Thai leaders are all the same. Thaksin was educated in the USA after all. Thai politicians are in it to make money. Same as police or soldiers in Thailand. None of them are looking to serve the public.

"The murder charges are just political posturing",

As was all the selfr-serving Thaksin demonization stuff, beginning with the coup-maker kangaroo courts.

Certainly the electorate understood that.

However, the above quote does bring into focus, the need to "de-politicize the courts' before considering the AV/Suthep murder charges.

In other words you want a red shirt jury?? Electorate again ????/ my god. Bring your man back from the middle east, it would be so wonderful for the country NOT. Let him off for all his charges and those pending and set up your red jury for everyone else, you live in a wonderland of your own.

[Eric Loh]

you would think the oxford educated politician would know better, one of the biggest disappointments in politics of this generation , murder charges hanging over his head, pretending to be democratic but using every dirty trick in the book to get back into power. worst opposition leader ever.

he is always talking about PTP leaders resigning. i think its about time this useless, anti democratic opposition leader resigned.

I agree with you, he was a much better Prime Minister than opposition leader. The murder charges are just political posturing. People have died during the current protests so by the same logic Yingluck could be charged with murder. The murder charges are just political posturing. Doesn't matter where they are educated Thai leaders are all the same. Thaksin was educated in the USA after all. Thai politicians are in it to make money. Same as police or soldiers in Thailand. None of them are looking to serve the public.

"The murder charges are just political posturing",

As was all the selfr-serving Thaksin demonization stuff, beginning with the coup-maker kangaroo courts.

Certainly the electorate understood that.

However, the above quote does bring into focus, the need to "de-politicize the courts' before considering the AV/Suthep murder charges.

In other words you want a red shirt jury?? Electorate again ????/ my god. Bring your man back from the middle east, it would be so wonderful for the country NOT. Let him off for all his charges and those pending and set up your red jury for everyone else, you live in a wonderland of your own.

No not a red jury but a fair and transparent trial. Not wrong to go after Taksin corruption but how they do that in a rush trial have people talking about conspiracy. When retro-active laws were brought back, trial that did not allow defence lawyers and jury not unanimous in their verdict and the AEC confiscation of half of the his assets without detail but just abnormal wealth; there will be people who see unfairness. There are corruption cases and include Suterp who have been around for longer time.

[rickirs]

"Mr Abhisit said Thailand has to reach the situation (political vacuum) when the caretaker prime minister is removed before a dialogue from all related factions could start.....However, he would not comment on whether he agreed with such a process."

Like his mentor Suthep, he's just citing a hypothetical situation, not that he really supports creating a political vacuum. Otherwise he'd be advocating an unconstitutional act. Looks like Suthep has paper-trained this political puppy well.