6 years overstay and about to fly back to the UK for 76 year old

[longstebe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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[ubonjoe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Giving yourself up voluntarily for an overstay and paying the fine is a lot different than getting caught with one.

If caught with one if can result in deportation and being blacklisted. That possibility hangs over the head of anybody that overstays.

[oldsailor35]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

[longstebe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Giving yourself up voluntarily for an overstay and paying the fine is a lot different than getting caught with one.

If caught with one if can result in deportation and being blacklisted. That possibility hangs over the head of anybody that overstays.

I agree mate but this does not sound like a " voluntary " case.

I'm not bashing the OP's friend by the way.

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[blaizer]

As for your friend seeking assistance in the U.K. -- it might be a good idea for someone to check in with Heathrow Travelcare prior to his going, to see what options are available for him:

http://heathrowtravelcare.co.uk/

Certainly, he needs to be aware of the existence of the Travel Care office, if he arrives in needs of assistance. Note, they're not open 24/7.

@ 76 he'll likely be an ex serviceman & may find help there too:

http://www.veterans-uk.info/welfaresupportcontact.htm

another useful link for anyone in this position is:

http://www.turn2us.org.uk/grants_search.aspx

HTH

OP: Have you checked his passport is otherwise valid?

Good point. If he's a British ex-serviceman, also try the British Legion:

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/

.......... and buy a poppy next November!

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I bow to the Moderators knowledge that it appears 20,000 will cure the problem but theres something seriously wrong if that is the case. Bad health or not some just treat immigration law with impunity

None of your bloody business really, is it?

[ubonjoe]

I agree mate but this does not sound like a " voluntary " case.

I'm not bashing the OP's friend by the way.

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Voluntarily is exactly what it is. Leaving and paying the fine is voluntarily doing it.

Getting caught means being stopped and having the overstay found by the police, immigration or some other official.

[NancyL]

I took someone to the airport 2 years ago and they required a wheelchair, on asking for this was told they must have a medical which they did and were then subsequently refused boarding as they required oxygen and it was 2 days to order. This was from Survanbumi to Chiang Mai.The info about overstay is correct however just bare in mind that airlines can/will refuse boarding if a customer is too sick, hopefully your friend will sail through and get back without any hiccups.

In this situation, it was the need for oxygen that required the need for the MEDIF (medical information form), completed by the man's doctor. It's not unusual for a wheelchair to be requested for elderly passengers because of all the walking required at airports. Wheelchair passengers have priority at security screenings and at boarding. The attendant is acts as a "tour guide" to help with the transfer too.

It's rare for an airline to ask for a MEDIF at boarding simply because someone is in a wheelchair if the passenger is able to walk from his seat to the toilet on the airplane, get himself in and out of the wheelchair at the airport and otherwise seems like he's not going to cause problems for the flight crew during the flight.

Incidentally, there is no extra charge for wheelchair service. I highly recommend it for anyone who is a little slow with walking. Just about everyone I know who is over age 75 routinely requests wheelchair service, even though they otherwise lead fairly active lives. No sense standing in long lines for check-in and at security at the airport.

[ubonjoe]

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[chrisinth]

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Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?



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There should be no problem with immigration on the overstay issue.

However, the person's health and financial situation may cause problems, 79 years old is quite an advanced age.

[Travel Dude]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

Be careful. As mentioned in several other posts there are 3 options:

1) Have your visa status in order and do it the legal way e.g. visa runs

2) Not having your visa in order for whatever lenght of time and declaring it at the immigration when leaving the country: 20.000 fine will clear the problem and you are allowed to come back.

3) Getting caught with an overstay generally results in imprisonment followed by deportation and blacklisting. NOTE: While awaiting the funds from you to pay for your own deportation (airticket) you will be incarcerated at the Deportation immigration center.

[chrisinth]

I know it may be obvious, but if the invalid and sponsor decide to plan his travels through Bkk, make sure the connecting flight is with Thai as the rest of the domestic services go to Don Muang which will present an extra challenge transiting between the two airports.

As someone mentioned earlier, has anyone checked that his passport is valid and in date? Something else obvious that is often overlooked until the last minute.

And the last thing I can think off to be aware off, how bad is his health? Perhaps a doctor's visit before he starts his travels may be a good thing to do. The last thing you would need is for the airline to refuse to carry the passenger without medical care involved.

Just a couple of thoughts..........

[longstebe]

I agree mate but this does not sound like a " voluntary " case.

I'm not bashing the OP's friend by the way.

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Voluntarily is exactly what it is. Leaving and paying the fine is voluntarily doing it.

Getting caught means being stopped and having the overstay found by the police, immigration or some other official.

The poor fella must have been house bound for 6 years then?

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[chirunr]

Replying to 6 years overstay and about to fly back to the UK for 76 year old

[Pattaya Pat]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

To be fair, I think you have a decent point. I suppose I can see why it is tempting to some and why many do it, it also surely depends on your own circumstances and how much it would effect you and others close to you if blacklisted or at least deported. For me, I have 2 young children here so dare not take the risk, but if you are a single guy here just boozing and brassing then maybe you wouldn't really care too much. But for me there is already enough to worry about in life without panicking everytime you see a poiliceman and hoping he is not going to see ask to see your passport, that's no way to live your life at all. I also think that the maximum 20k fine for overstay is possibly too small a fine and only encourages this.

As for the question will the old fella be allowed back in the country again, well, I highly doubt he will be coming back somehow, do you.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Pattaya Pat

[Pattaya Pat]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

Hang on a second, there's a contradiction here....you say 'stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs'

If 'life threatening' I assume you mean border runs? If so, they are only around 2k a trip, how is that possibly expensive??? They are as cheap as chips? What would expect to pay? 500 baht? Unbelievable. Why do so many people here want something for nothing?

Edited April 19, 2014 by Pattaya Pat

[longstebe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?



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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

To be fair, I think you have a decent point. I suppose I can see why it is tempting to some and why many do it, it also surely depends on your own circumstances and how much it would effect you and others close to you if blacklisted or at least deported. For me, I have 2 young children here so dare not take the risk, but if you are a single guy here just boozing and brassing then maybe you wouldn't really care too much. But for me there is already enough to worry about in life without panicking everytime you see a poiliceman and hoping he is not going to see ask to see your passport, that's no way to live your life at all. I also think that the maximum 20k fine for overstay is possibly too small a fine and only encourages this.

As for the question will the old fella be allowed back in the country again, well, I highly doubt he will be coming back somehow, do you.

Fair post mate.
My question wasn't really directed at the OP's friend it was directed to anyone in general overstaying for long periods. At 76, he's more than likely going back to the UK for health reasons.

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[longstebe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?



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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

Hang on a second, there's a contradictioh here....'stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs'

If 'life threatening' I assume you mean border runs? If so, they are only around 2k a trip, how is that expensive??? They are as cheap as chips? What would expect to pay? 500 baht?

:-)
Have you been in one of them mini buses.

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[fwheby]

I have assisted others with very similar problem, same age, same route, and understand your concerns. You're afraid he might have problems with the transfer at BKK, have difficulty physiclaly handling the notes to pay the overstay, maybe have problems communicating at the BKK airport, etc.

If you can book him on either Thai Airway or Korean Air then he can check in as an international passenger in Chiang Mai and you can be with him while he pays his overstay in Chiang Mai. They let someone escort an elderly person to the area where you pay the overstay fine at Chiang Mai.

Korean Air may seem an odd way to go to London. It's Chiang Mai- Seoul-London, but the cost is usually cheaper than Thai Airways and the Seoul airport is the best in the world for transit passengers. They go a great job of watching elderly people in wheelchairs. Plus, he'd totally avoid passing thru Bangkok. You'd have the piece of mind of knowing he's out of Thailand when he leaves Chiang Mai.

Incidentally, I've never been able to settle an overstay fine with someone at CM Immigration. They always say to do it at the airport.

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[Pattaya Pat]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

To be fair, I think you have a decent point. I suppose I can see why it is tempting to some and why many do it, it also surely depends on your own circumstances and how much it would effect you and others close to you if blacklisted or at least deported. For me, I have 2 young children here so dare not take the risk, but if you are a single guy here just boozing and brassing then maybe you wouldn't really care too much. But for me there is already enough to worry about in life without panicking everytime you see a poiliceman and hoping he is not going to see ask to see your passport, that's no way to live your life at all. I also think that the maximum 20k fine for overstay is possibly too small a fine and only encourages this.

As for the question will the old fella be allowed back in the country again, well, I highly doubt he will be coming back somehow, do you.

Fair post mate.

My question wasn't really directed at the OP's friend it was directed to anyone in general overstaying for long periods. At 76, he's more than likely going back to the UK for health reasons.

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Yes I know it was at anyone in general, I think that was pretty obvious.

[longstebe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?



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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

To be fair, I think you have a decent point. I suppose I can see why it is tempting to some and why many do it, it also surely depends on your own circumstances and how much it would effect you and others close to you if blacklisted or at least deported. For me, I have 2 young children here so dare not take the risk, but if you are a single guy here just boozing and brassing then maybe you wouldn't really care too much. But for me there is already enough to worry about in life without panicking everytime you see a poiliceman and hoping he is not going to see ask to see your passport, that's no way to live your life at all. I also think that the maximum 20k fine for overstay is possibly too small a fine and only encourages this.

As for the question will the old fella be allowed back in the country again, well, I highly doubt he will be coming back somehow, do you.

Fair post mate.
My question wasn't really directed at the OP's friend it was directed to anyone in general overstaying for long periods. At 76, he's more than likely going back to the UK for health reasons.

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Yes I know it was at anyone in general, I think that was pretty obvious.

C'mon mate I'm not getting into a petty argument but you did ask.

" As for the question will the old fella be allowed back in the country again, well, I highly doubt he will be coming back somehow, do you".

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[Pattaya Pat]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?

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He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

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Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

Hang on a second, there's a contradictioh here....'stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs'

If 'life threatening' I assume you mean border runs? If so, they are only around 2k a trip, how is that expensive??? They are as cheap as chips? What would expect to pay? 500 baht?

:-)

Have you been in one of them mini buses.

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Unfortuntely yes, but what's your point?

[longstebe]

Will the guy be allowed back in to Thailand if he's overstayed for so long?



Sent from my GT-I9505 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

He could if he wanted to. There is no rule or regulation against it.

It's a weird one really, the amount some people pay in visas over long period of times must total more than 20,000 baht.

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Yes, i sometimes wonder if it would not be worthwhile to take the risk, put aside the amount needed if caught, and to hell with these stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs.

Hang on a second, there's a contradictioh here....'stupid life threatening, expensive visa runs'

If 'life threatening' I assume you mean border runs? If so, they are only around 2k a trip, how is that expensive??? They are as cheap as chips? What would expect to pay? 500 baht?

:-)
Have you been in one of them mini buses.

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Unfortuntely yes, but what's your point?

I'm guessing that's were he meant " life threatening ".

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[Pattaya Pat]

Eh?????? yes I know, I didn't say they weren't did I???

I said they were not expensive.

You clearly have a lot of trouble keeping up. Are you hungover?

[longstebe]

Not at all my friend. I thinks its best we leave it there. We're going around in circles.

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[gzu88bv]

No pun intended, but a English friend of mine actually asked me what the chap has been doing the last 76 years that he gets 15000 B pension only.

[Pattaya Pat]

No pun intended, but a English friend of mine actually asked me what the chap has been doing the last 76 years that he gets 15000 B pension only.

I don't see the pun?

[HeavyDrinker]

How could he do anything? I find I need my passport several times a week. Must be a grim existence...

[thepool]

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No pun intended, but a English friend of mine actually asked me what the chap has been doing the last 76 years that he gets 15000 B pension only.

Sounds as if the gent was relying on the Old Age Pension provided by the Government. During the time spent in Thailand no inflationary awards will have been added to the pension although on returning to the UK the full current pension will be available.

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The lack of funds possibly also explains the overstay as it would not be possible to secure an extension of stay without a minimum income of 65000/month

[NancyL]

So often the people who are the harshest and most judgmental are really the most ignorant, viewing someone's situation thru their own frame of reference; not taking the time to investigation how/why someone could have gotten himself into a circumstance where he deserves our compassion and assistance, not our scorn and rejection.

OK, let me walk you thru it. The OP's friend is age 76. Let's assume he came here at age 65. At that time, the basic UK state pension was 77 pounds/week and the exchange rate was 68 baht/pound. The exchange rate continued to rise and held about 70 baht/pound for about four years, so the fact that his pension was frozen wasn't too bad, at least not until the exchange rate started to fall in 2008. Then things got bad. It didn't help that the Thais changed the 30 day visa exempt entries to 15 day visa exempt about the same time.

What had seemed like a fun adventure for a man in his mid-sixties was probably becoming wearisome for someone age 70. When your monthly income is about 19000 baht/month (my guess for the man in 2008), then twice monthly border runs at 2500 baht a pop can make a big dent in your budget, not to mention the physical wear-and-tear of two all-day van trips per month. Is it no wonder he decided it just wasn't the effort any more?

And yes, as someone mentioned, it is a great strain to live this way. Afraid that you're going to be stopped and questioned, asked to show your passport. Always counting your baht and how many days remain until your next pension payment. Always looking for a good deal for food, clothing, transport, entertainment. Never knowing who to trust. Knowing you can't really go to the Embassy/Consulate/Royal British Legion to ask for help because you're in the country illegally. Knowing you're an object of scorn from your own people.

That's why I'm glad to see this thread being allowed to continue with some good concrete suggestions for avenues for assistance once this man returns to the U.K.

Edited April 19, 2014 by NancyL