'Thai politicians threatening farmers'

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'Politicians threatening farmers'
Khanittha Thepphajorn
The Nation

Warned they might not receive any rice money if they go ahead with legal action: law society

BANGKOK: -- Some farmers have dropped suits against the government for failing to pay them under the controversial rice-pledging scheme, Law Society of Thailand vice-president Sunthorn Payak has said.

The LST has been providing legal assistance to farmers, who have also received financial support from the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee.

The PDRC received Bt25 million in public donations to pay the farmers' court costs.

The Society had filed more than 20,000 suits in provinces across the country against the government over the scheme, Sunthorn said.

He said provincial politicians had managed to talk some farmers into withdrawing their lawsuits after telling them they risked not getting any money if they file a suit.

He said politicians had tried to undo the damage done to relevant ministers and the government by the scheme.

Disgruntled farmers have rallied in the capital, while some have committed suicide due to financial stress.

Sunthorn said the number of farmers who had dropped suits was as unknown as the LST had yet to collect the information from its provincial branches.

He said if politicians attempted to intimidate LST lawyers at provincial branches into not helping farmers, the organisation would dispatch lawyers from its central office to work on their behalf.

He dismissed claims by some farmers that the lawsuits were delayed and they had no idea when they would get the money, saying that the LST had made progress and was waiting to advance further in accordance with Administrative Court procedures.

He said about 30 farmers who had received help from lawyers hired by Phra Buddha Issara, the PDRC leader at the Chaeng Wattana base, had filed suits with the Civil Court.

'Public policy'

He disapproved of the move, saying the rice-pledging scheme was a public policy and farmers were not entitled to have any bargaining mechanism with the government.

He said the farmers must file suits with the Administrative Court against state agencies such as the Marketing Organisation for Farmers or the Public Warehouse Organisation, which were assigned by the government to handle the project.

He said the Civil Court might transfer cases to the Administrative Court, which might cause a delay.

He added that the Law Society, which received funds allocated from the state to carry out its work, would use only some of its funds for rice-pledging cases since it had to help other members of the public, including those charged with state of emergency offences.


-- The Nation 2014-04-21

[Thait Spot]

Yet more intimidation from this bunch

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[NongKhaiKid]

No, No I just can't believe this, intimidation in the LoS and involving politicians especially from PTP.

Please say it ain't so.

[notmyself]

Win at ANY cost.

[winstonc]

their voter base dwindles by the week..carry on the good work ptp..anyone going to defend them on here today..

[issanaus]

This is where a smart Democrat party would say that they will make it a priority (should they form a government) to ensure that farmers are paid for any crops pledged before a certain date, They should also say that the means of making the payment would be determined after an examination of the real financial position of the government accounts.

[Robby nz]

I read elsewhere this morning that the BAAC has been deducting the loans that some of the farmers have taken out from the bank to tide them over from the money they were paid for their rice

In some cases leaving the farmers with only a few thousand baht, not even enough to pay off the loan sharks.

It certainly has turned into a scheme to keep the poor in line.

But not to worry come next election PT will promise to continue the rice pledging scheme and the rice farmers will vote for them out of hope that it might work this time.

[chooka]

Bloody Government organisations are like that. My brother in law is a concreter and did some work for the local council and they took time to pay him so he took court action and they refused to pay then until after court.

[WoopyDoo]

Absolutely disgusting treatment.

I hope this sends out a clear message to the rice farmers what this bunch of vipers the PTP actually are.

They have handed over their rice to this den of thieves who have stolen most of the money which should have been to pay them.

No matter what the situation, they are entitled by law to receive their money for that rice.

This government are breaking laws on an almost daily basis. They have breached the rice scheme contract and they are now threatening farmers that they won't pay them for something they have received.

[Ricardo]

Perhaps PTP should adopt a new election-slogan ... "Vote PTP ... and Thaksin will Think About Paying You for Last-Year's Rice !"

[Chupup]

Yes i really do agree Vipers.

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[Dr Bruce]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

[MaxLee]

Poor farmers, they will never see a penny in their lives...

So Thaksin and Pheu Thai are showing their TRUE colors of Thaksinocracy: "You do it my way, you do it Pheu Thai way, I don't give a damn about anyone. Dare to rebel and you die...

[issanaus]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Yingluck and the PTP created their own problems - betraying those who had voted for them is just one of the problems they face.

[GeorgeO]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

[Mosha]

Perhaps PTP should adopt a new election-slogan ... "Vote PTP ... and Thaksin will Think About Paying You for Last-Year's Rice !"

Nah, it'll be a picture of Jatuporn and "If you know what's good for you, vote PTP"

[trainman34014]

What do they expect from a bunch of thugs in suits ? The Godfather will blame anyone and send his Goons whenever things are not going his way.

I know a lot of Rural people in the North and there is a very big learning curve being negotiated up here at the moment. In six years i've never heard so many pulling down the big man and his entourage of thieves as i'm hearing now. Change is coming....but it won't be as quick as it would perhaps be elsewhere.

[issanaus]

Perhaps PTP should adopt a new election-slogan ... "Vote PTP ... and Thaksin will Think About Paying You for Last-Year's Rice !"

Nah, it'll be a picture of Jatuporn and "If you know what's good for you, vote PTP"

Or it could be - "farmers should vote PTP , we will give you that much s$it that you will never need to buy fertiliser again"

[Mango Bob]

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Yet more intimidation from this bunch

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Yeah, almost sound like the anti government people who enter government buildings and told people they better go home or ____(you know what)

[Dr Bruce]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

The farmers will not get paid fully until after the election. When PTP return to power they will find a way to pay the farmers. It is Suthep and the EC who are using the farmers as pawns in their attempt to overthrow democracy.

Suthep marched for 3 days to collect money to GIVE to the farmers, he then gave it to his friends the lawyers, they have struggled to find any farmers who want to be mired up in a long legal case because the farmers know that they will lose any chance of an earlier payment. As was said in an earlier post nobody ever gets paid halfway through the legal process.

You say that Suthep collected money to help the farmers during a difficult period, do you think that the sheeple who gave that money wanted it paid to lawyers or farmers?

[Dr Bruce]

This is where a smart Democrat party would say that they will make it a priority (should they form a government) to ensure that farmers are paid for any crops pledged before a certain date, They should also say that the means of making the payment would be determined after an examination of the real financial position of the government accounts.

This would work, all we need is a smart Democrat party. Anybody know where we can find one?

[issanaus]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

The farmers will not get paid fully until after the election. When PTP return to power they will find a way to pay the farmers. It is Suthep and the EC who are using the farmers as pawns in their attempt to overthrow democracy.

Suthep marched for 3 days to collect money to GIVE to the farmers, he then gave it to his friends the lawyers, they have struggled to find any farmers who want to be mired up in a long legal case because the farmers know that they will lose any chance of an earlier payment. As was said in an earlier post nobody ever gets paid halfway through the legal process.

You say that Suthep collected money to help the farmers during a difficult period, do you think that the sheeple who gave that money wanted it paid to lawyers or farmers?

Fully paid - so they will get there money - and be compensated for the interest they had to pai - be compensated for the lost opportunity of planting their next crop - be compensated cause their lids can not go to school cause they can not afford uniforms - compensated for having to make the decision to put food on the table or to buy necessary medication

Do you want the rest of the list?

Whats you prescription for these people - they are realising that PTP placebos don't really work doctor

[The stuttering parrot]

Yet another exclusive from the nation.

How come all these beat up stories are hardly ever reported in other median outlets?

Anyway I didn't see the headlines of intimidation and the threating of voters on February 2!

The Nation hub of media beat ups!

[issanaus]

Yet another exclusive from the nation.

How come all these beat up stories are hardly ever reported in other median outlets?

Anyway I didn't see the headlines of intimidation and the threating of voters on February 2!

The Nation hub of media beat ups!

The topic is yet another way that PTP is setting out to destroy any farmer who dares to exercise their constitutional and legal right to get what the PTP promises them.

Along with maladministration and the ability to sit there while money grows legs - intimidation of farmers is one of the PTP successes

[GeorgeO]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

The farmers will not get paid fully until after the election. When PTP return to power they will find a way to pay the farmers. It is Suthep and the EC who are using the farmers as pawns in their attempt to overthrow democracy.

Suthep marched for 3 days to collect money to GIVE to the farmers, he then gave it to his friends the lawyers, they have struggled to find any farmers who want to be mired up in a long legal case because the farmers know that they will lose any chance of an earlier payment. As was said in an earlier post nobody ever gets paid halfway through the legal process.

You say that Suthep collected money to help the farmers during a difficult period, do you think that the sheeple who gave that money wanted it paid to lawyers or farmers?

So, the good doctor's remedy is to stop Suthep from collecting money because he doesn't believe that the farmers want or need any help in getting their money out of this corrupt (caretaker) government...!?

Let's just get back to basics, that is, the fact that these debts predate Suthep's arrival on the scene, so stop trying to cloud the issue.

This corrupt regime has siphoned off so much money that they are not in a position to pay the farmers; that has nothing to do with Suthep, the Democrats or the anti-government protesters.

What dear Dr., without shifting the blame elsewhere, is your remedy for the farmers' plight?

[onlycw]

Excuse me?!? Hoe about impeaching those politicians and stripping them of their pensions and other entitlements for abuse of power?!?

This is the pits!

Folks have been driven to commit suicide, leaving wives and children behind. And now this?!?

Mafia methods, if you ask me. Is this Sicily, are they demanding that "Omerta" be observed?!?

[Dr Bruce]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

The farmers will not get paid fully until after the election. When PTP return to power they will find a way to pay the farmers. It is Suthep and the EC who are using the farmers as pawns in their attempt to overthrow democracy.

Suthep marched for 3 days to collect money to GIVE to the farmers, he then gave it to his friends the lawyers, they have struggled to find any farmers who want to be mired up in a long legal case because the farmers know that they will lose any chance of an earlier payment. As was said in an earlier post nobody ever gets paid halfway through the legal process.

You say that Suthep collected money to help the farmers during a difficult period, do you think that the sheeple who gave that money wanted it paid to lawyers or farmers?

So, the good doctor's remedy is to stop Suthep from collecting money because he doesn't believe that the farmers want or need any help in getting their money out of this corrupt (caretaker) government...!?

Let's just get back to basics, that is, the fact that these debts predate Suthep's arrival on the scene, so stop trying to cloud the issue.

This corrupt regime has siphoned off so much money that they are not in a position to pay the farmers; that has nothing to do with Suthep, the Democrats or the anti-government protesters.

What dear Dr., without shifting the blame elsewhere, is your remedy for the farmers' plight?

My remedy is to have an election so that when PTP win they can get on with paying the farmers.

I agree that the debts were there when Suthep arrived but I believe that they would have been paid by now if the elected government had not stepped down and asked the country to renew it's mandate to rule.

I think that this story is about the lawyers complaining that the farmers will not get mired in years of legal wrangling that will only benifit the lawyers. They know that they will get paid as soon as the government is re-elected.

[winstonc]

Bloody Government organisations are like that. My brother in law is a concreter and did some work for the local council and they took time to pay him so he took court action and they refused to pay then until after court.

your brother in law over here i take it...mmmm yet you still support ptp...can they do no wrong...i havnt seen you display your displeasure of this vile regime yet chooka..oh well..

[issanaus]

The farmers will not get paid fully until after the election. When PTP return to power they will find a way to pay the farmers. It is Suthep and the EC who are using the farmers as pawns in their attempt to overthrow democracy.

Suthep marched for 3 days to collect money to GIVE to the farmers, he then gave it to his friends the lawyers, they have struggled to find any farmers who want to be mired up in a long legal case because the farmers know that they will lose any chance of an earlier payment. As was said in an earlier post nobody ever gets paid halfway through the legal process.

You say that Suthep collected money to help the farmers during a difficult period, do you think that the sheeple who gave that money wanted it paid to lawyers or farmers?

So, the good doctor's remedy is to stop Suthep from collecting money because he doesn't believe that the farmers want or need any help in getting their money out of this corrupt (caretaker) government...!?

Let's just get back to basics, that is, the fact that these debts predate Suthep's arrival on the scene, so stop trying to cloud the issue.

This corrupt regime has siphoned off so much money that they are not in a position to pay the farmers; that has nothing to do with Suthep, the Democrats or the anti-government protesters.

What dear Dr., without shifting the blame elsewhere, is your remedy for the farmers' plight?

My remedy is to have an election so that when PTP win they can get on with paying the farmers.

I agree that the debts were there when Suthep arrived but I believe that they would have been paid by now if the elected government had not stepped down and asked the country to renew it's mandate to rule.

I think that this story is about the lawyers complaining that the farmers will not get mired in years of legal wrangling that will only benifit the lawyers. They know that they will get paid as soon as the government is re-elected.

Silly me thinking that elections in a democracy were about the people deciding who was going to represent them - sounds like the PTP have already decided the outcome - but they do have a "Dear Leader" so that is possible.

By the way PTP should not count on votes from farmers - I know that many have been told that they will not get paid if they don't return a PTP government. One said to me you know what worse that your enemy slapping you in the face , it when you "friend" stabs you in the back.

[winstonc]

Is this the money that Suthep collected to give the Farmers?

Is this the 30M Baht he said he collected?

Or the 25 M Baht he gave to his friends the lawyers?

Suthep is not interested in helping the Farmers, he just wants to create as many problems for Yinluck and the PTP as possible.

Congratulations Dr. B on being the first one in this thread to attempt to defend these morons...although it was really quite a miserable attempt...!!

1. How does this have anything to do with Suthep, apart from the fact that he raised money to help the farmers through their difficult period?

2. Do you seriously believe that Yinluck (sic) and the PTP need any help in creating problems for themselves...?

You, dear Dr, will need to try a great deal harder than this...!!

The farmers will not get paid fully until after the election. When PTP return to power they will find a way to pay the farmers. It is Suthep and the EC who are using the farmers as pawns in their attempt to overthrow democracy.

Suthep marched for 3 days to collect money to GIVE to the farmers, he then gave it to his friends the lawyers, they have struggled to find any farmers who want to be mired up in a long legal case because the farmers know that they will lose any chance of an earlier payment. As was said in an earlier post nobody ever gets paid halfway through the legal process.

You say that Suthep collected money to help the farmers during a difficult period, do you think that the sheeple who gave that money wanted it paid to lawyers or farmers?

So, the good doctor's remedy is to stop Suthep from collecting money because he doesn't believe that the farmers want or need any help in getting their money out of this corrupt (caretaker) government...!?

Let's just get back to basics, that is, the fact that these debts predate Suthep's arrival on the scene, so stop trying to cloud the issue.

This corrupt regime has siphoned off so much money that they are not in a position to pay the farmers; that has nothing to do with Suthep, the Democrats or the anti-government protesters.

What dear Dr., without shifting the blame elsewhere, is your remedy for the farmers' plight?

if your looking for an honest real grown up answer it wont happen from this person..just a hit and run merchant..not capable of debate