Yingluck says she is ready to quit politics if it’s the need of majority

[northernjohn]

The operative word is "majority", meaning (she hopes) the people of Isan and the north. What's needed is a good poll of Isan and the north to see if her popularity has declined, and if so, how much? If she still has the support of a majority of the majority, then she can fight out the rest of the court battle. Otherwise she should step down as she has said she would.

Naw, that's too easy. .

I hear about the majority but it seems to me the last by-election in the Issan was won by a democrat. The only way to get a fair poll in the area would be to lock up all the red shirts while it was being taken. Which of course is illegal but it would guarantee you an honest poll with out intimidation.

[fab4]

This is the beginning of the end for the BIG BROTHER.

No. It is a trick answer to a trick question, and every politician in the WORLD uses it.

"Are you willing to quit if it stops the chaos?"

I will follow the will of the people and if they tell me to quit then I will.

"Are you willing to stand for election in the next polls?"

I will follow the will of the people and if they tell me to run then I will.

"Are you going to run for president, Hillary?"

I will study the will of the people and if they tell me to run then I will.

"Are you willing to take over Moyes' job in Manchester?"

If that is the will of the team and the fans, then yes of course.

It is a trick because there is no way to measure the will of the people. It is blah-blah yadda-yadda lip-flapping no-response. It is literally without significance.

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One way of measuring the will of a very large proportion of the people does exist. It's called an Election..............

[Maggusoil]

This is the beginning of the end for the BIG BROTHER.

Thaksin has very deep pockets. I am sure he can fit more politicians in them, besides his sister.

[wandasloan]

This is the beginning of the end for the BIG BROTHER.

No. It is a trick answer to a trick question, and every politician in the WORLD uses it.

"Are you willing to quit if it stops the chaos?"

I will follow the will of the people and if they tell me to quit then I will.

"Are you willing to stand for election in the next polls?"

I will follow the will of the people and if they tell me to run then I will.

"Are you going to run for president, Hillary?"

I will study the will of the people and if they tell me to run then I will.

"Are you willing to take over Moyes' job in Manchester?"

If that is the will of the team and the fans, then yes of course.

It is a trick because there is no way to measure the will of the people. It is blah-blah yadda-yadda lip-flapping no-response. It is literally without significance.

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One way of measuring the will of a very large proportion of the people does exist. It's called an Election..............

I also hate to have to explain a joke.

All you've done is explain why it's a trick. BEFORE the election, there is no way of measuring. AFTER the election the question has no meaning. Again, that is WHY it is a trick.

If you want to know the real answer, ask a different question:

Yingluck, will you step down this afternoon to end the chaos?

Hillary, will you state today you are not going to run in 2016 so we can get on with it?

Ryan, can you confirm you are ONLY an interim manager and will refuse any offer to stay on in the role?

Then you know their real ambitions. (You may also learn, as a bonus, that they are out-and-out liars.) But a conditional question (Yingluck would you step down at some indeterminate point in the future if...." ) is going to get the answer she gave EVERY TIME. It's a throwaway, rip-off, disposable, reusable, recyclable answer to a completely useless question. It is a worse question than the post-game idiots who ask, "How do you feel, now that you've won the title?"

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[TinoThailand]

She is ready to live abroad with filled up pockets? Did she take enough from the poorer poor?

[stickylies]

She is ready to live abroad with filled up pockets? Did she take enough from the poorer poor?

majority of people would do it if they could.

[heybruce]

"The 2007 constitution was wanted by the majority"

where you get that ??? who was the majority ? please the yellows/dems had never a majority , only within the post coup (non elected) government, so please stop posting if you don't know the facts.

Feel free to remove that sentence and read the remainder. All still valid.

BTW the referendum vote was 57.81% FOR the 2007 constitution. However as stated feel free to remove that sentence and re-read the post.

Your comment is amusing however as you inadvertently highlighted that I am correct in what I said.

That being;

If anything goes against the PTP agenda it will not be accepted.

That's right, given a choice between continued military rule and the badly flawed constitution, an underwhelming majority chose the constitution.

You wanted to know what majority voted for it. I told you. I can even link it if you like?

Like I said ignore that one sentence and read the remainder if you cannot accept THAT majority.

And I provides the circumstances in which the majority voted for the constitution. What's the problem?

[Morch]

Even though the last election was made void the votes and no votes clearly showed that the majority did not want YL to be PM anymore.

Since the major reason the protest began was due to YL and her admin it seems a reasonable assumption that with her and her family gone from politics that the protests will end. So YL! Your 2 conditions have been met already. Why are you still there clinging to office if what you said in this OP was true. Leave while you still can and are still free to remain in Thailand. This OP is total BS. YL will never leave until another PTP member gets control. If another party wins she will run north to try run the Gov there seperate from the rest of Thai. Thak will not let his only chances to return here slip through his fingers.

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The last election figures show nothing of the kind, certainly not "clearly".

Then again, she never had a popular vote majority to begin with.

Doubt she'll quit by her own choice or that big brother will actually follow through with the sacrifice thing.

Same applies regarding the ready to die for democracy statement etc.

[heybruce]

Feel free to remove that sentence and read the remainder. All still valid.

BTW the referendum vote was 57.81% FOR the 2007 constitution. However as stated feel free to remove that sentence and re-read the post.

Your comment is amusing however as you inadvertently highlighted that I am correct in what I said.

That being;

If anything goes against the PTP agenda it will not be accepted.

That's right, given a choice between continued military rule and the badly flawed constitution, an underwhelming majority chose the constitution.

57.81% is "an underwhelming majority", whereas 48.4% of the proportional vote in July-2011 is frequently claimed by Red-leaning posters, as 'an overwhelming majority of the country' ?

Funny old thing, statistics, aren't they ?

In my view the military-appointed government did democracy a service, for all their other faults or mistakes, in establishing the principle that serious changes to the Constitutionj need to be ratified by a national-referendum, setting a better minimum-standard for governance in Thailand.

Better than 4am-votes in Parliament, with opposition-speakers barred from having their say, as 'true democracy' turned out to mean.

I personally wish the Dems would now participate, in a re-run election, and that whoever does get elected carries out a proper constitutional-change process after their election. Yingluck has also said she feels reform is needed, let's hope she doesn't forget that, if she does eventually get re-elected. That's if her brother doesn't negotiate her away, as part of his on-going deals, to gain his pardon/amnesty and return.

Well there were many parties to choose from in the February election, and only two choices in the referendum on the constitution. That should be considered when evaluating the statistics, don't you think?

[bigbamboo]

Bless.

Unfortunately big brother has already let it slip that he will continue to the make the decisions for her.

Thaksin thinks, Yingluck does...... that's the way it has always been.

[Morch]

She said she is ready to leave politics 'IF THE PEOPLE WANT HER TO'

They do NOT!

Despite what the scumbag anti-democracy haters think-they are in the minority.

The majority of Thai's like or love Yingluck, and the next election will prove thatt- this is why the pad/pdrc/dems are so desperate to sabotage elections, they no the HATE groups will be exposed as a pathetic fringe of Thailand's society, they are nothing more that hate mongers.

Yingluck, through out their disgusting hate campaign, has been a professional. She does not stoop to Suthep's level, when she speaks she is courtius and responsible.. because of her management many less people are dead in this conflict. Suthep rants on his idiotic stage every night calling her a 'whore' and all this other bullshit, what a punkass loser.

Leaving aside foul language by Suthep and yourself....

The PDRC might represent a minority, probably right.

That does not imply the Thai people as a whole want her to stay.

The PTP did not win the popular vote 3 years ago, and isn't very likely to repeat 2011 elections results on that front.

I think that comparing Yingluck public appearances and style with Suthep is misleading. Pit her against Abhisit, and Suthep vs. Chalerm or Jatuporn, to get a more accurate idea of styles. Both sides got their smooth talkers and big mouths.

[ATF]

One poster added that there is a need for a new grass roots political party or politician to step up and guide this country in a new direction. Lovely sentiments.....would work nicely on a Hallmark card. In reality there is too much money at stake here in Thai politics. In countries like US, Canada, UK there are the same checks and balances that Thailand supposedly has adapted but in the Western Nations it is just hidden better.

With the financial stakes so high it will be virtually impossible for the political system to make any sweeping changes. Reform? Not possible. Not in our lifetime anyway.

The PTP has the support of nearly a third of the voting public from the Northeast of Thailand to the Northern regions (Chiang Mai). Regardless of how badly they may be portrayed in the news they will most certainly survive the bad press and retain their political presence. Much like Texas will never be a Democrat state.

So what is the answer? In my opinion....time. It will take time for the people of Thailand to educate themselves in the area of self governance and political reform. Todays young voter is more aware of the issues and is less influenced by family pressures and political payoffs. The younger (unable to vote) population will be the real next big change. Many will have grown up in a more financially stable household, better exposure to social networks (twitter, facebook) and have less reliance on the government for support. It will however in my opinion take another two generations to weed out the likes of todays politicians.

For the sake of my young family I do hope this change happens quicker (20 years or so)than later. But it will happen.

The only way for real political reform is to stop this BS of voting at your registered address. Most of Isan works in Bangkok or Pattaya. They should vote there. At the moment people from other provinces are getting the best of both worlds. Maybe the Tabian Baan should be replaced with a Residency Card. If a person wants to rent then their residency must be moved to that address. Personally I wouldn't let anyone who didn't own land or a house vote, but that would be too logical and all the bleeding hearts would say it's un-democratic. However I don't see anything democratic about some clown having the same vote as a business owner.

[Morch]

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India can have a free, peaceful election with 815 million voters. Indonesia can have a fair election. Even Afghanistan can make a safe and fair election.

It seems the Thai elections committee is either politically motivated to fail, or lack skills to do their job in holding an election correctly. Either, has no place in a Democracy.

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When you consider that the EC was created by the Abhisit/Suthep regime, it's not surprising that it seems set against the PTP regime in allowing credible and timely elections. I can't think of any democraticallyelected nation that has placed such control over an election to an election commission that seems unaccountable to no one.

The EC was around since 1992, in it's current form since 1997.

Unless mistaken, most of the current members are in place since 2006.

Not created by Abhisit & Suthep.

[heybruce]

The revolution of the puppet?

"Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said Tuesday that she has not discussed with her family and elder brother Thaksin Shinawatra on taking a break from politics"

Isnt it clear enough already that the majority of people arent behind her now? There is no IF, only when, and the sooner the better.

Right ! 100% agree, but I wonder why the yellows are so afraid of elections... because they have no "when" or "If" maybe...

Most of the red sympathizers here on TV just keep saying elections need to be held, as that's the only democratic way for Thailand.

They don't understand that voting here in Issan is bought (Corrupt). I'm not sure about the rest of Thailand, but I have seen it personally here. Paying voters 500 baht to vote for Pheu Thai is the rule, not the exception.

It is a must that voting corruption be eliminated before the next election takes place. Yingluck, Thaksin, and Pheu Thai know this, and don't want the system changed. The current voting situation is not democratic. All Suthep and the PDRC just want to see voting corruption checked and the voter playing field level for all candidates. That, my friend is true democracy.

From the December 9, 2013 "Economist" website http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/12/thailand-s-protests:

"Mr Suthep’s motley crew of acolytes and cheerleaders try to argue that somehow all of Mr Thaksin’s victories (in the various party guises) have been “bought” and that voters have been “bribed” by the promise of lavish public spending, to help poor rice farmers for instance. But there is almost no evidence that any of these elections were systematically bought or rigged in anyway. Indeed, the last election, certainly, was very well conducted by comparison with other recent elections in the South-East Asian region. Indeed, when pressed, one of Mr Suthep’s main advisers admitted to me that despite all the alleged vote-buying (which he produced no evidence for) the result was still “legitimate”. And the incontinent public spending programmes? In the West that’s called Keynesian economics."

I trust what I read in a highly respected international news magazine over the biased, unsubstantiated anecdotal evidence of TV posters.

[heybruce]

The operative word is "majority", meaning (she hopes) the people of Isan and the north. What's needed is a good poll of Isan and the north to see if her popularity has declined, and if so, how much? If she still has the support of a majority of the majority, then she can fight out the rest of the court battle. Otherwise she should step down as she has said she would.

Naw, that's too easy. .

I hear about the majority but it seems to me the last by-election in the Issan was won by a democrat. The only way to get a fair poll in the area would be to lock up all the red shirts while it was being taken. Which of course is illegal but it would guarantee you an honest poll with out intimidation.

Let's be fair, you'd also have to lock up the Suthep supporters in Bangkok and the south of Thailand as well.

[Trentham]

One poster added that there is a need for a new grass roots political party or politician to step up and guide this country in a new direction. Lovely sentiments.....would work nicely on a Hallmark card. In reality there is too much money at stake here in Thai politics. In countries like US, Canada, UK there are the same checks and balances that Thailand supposedly has adapted but in the Western Nations it is just hidden better.

With the financial stakes so high it will be virtually impossible for the political system to make any sweeping changes. Reform? Not possible. Not in our lifetime anyway.

The PTP has the support of nearly a third of the voting public from the Northeast of Thailand to the Northern regions (Chiang Mai). Regardless of how badly they may be portrayed in the news they will most certainly survive the bad press and retain their political presence. Much like Texas will never be a Democrat state.

So what is the answer? In my opinion....time. It will take time for the people of Thailand to educate themselves in the area of self governance and political reform. Todays young voter is more aware of the issues and is less influenced by family pressures and political payoffs. The younger (unable to vote) population will be the real next big change. Many will have grown up in a more financially stable household, better exposure to social networks (twitter, facebook) and have less reliance on the government for support. It will however in my opinion take another two generations to weed out the likes of todays politicians.

For the sake of my young family I do hope this change happens quicker (20 years or so)than later. But it will happen.

The only way for real political reform is to stop this BS of voting at your registered address. Most of Isan works in Bangkok or Pattaya. They should vote there. At the moment people from other provinces are getting the best of both worlds. Maybe the Tabian Baan should be replaced with a Residency Card. If a person wants to rent then their residency must be moved to that address. Personally I wouldn't let anyone who didn't own land or a house vote, but that would be too logical and all the bleeding hearts would say it's un-democratic. However I don't see anything democratic about some clown having the same vote as a business owner.

Your last 2 sentences show who the real clown is. You!

[outsider]

Oh, I see, so this isn't 'clinging'... thanks Poo.

[Greg Nixon]

If Thaksin has not been directing Yingluck then how could he announce that his family were considering withdrawing from politics prior to Yingluck making any announcement and low an behold a few hours later and she makes a similar announcement. " Let loose the dogs of war. "

Run them out of town on a rail. Tar and feather them. But let the courts take their course and may justice come to Thailand.

[peterquixote]

You'd think Yingluck would sense on some level that things aren't quite right now. She dissolved parliament four and a half months ago. She quickly realized she couldn't visit her office. On the campaign trail she had to limit appearances to Chiang Mai and Isaan because she was so unpopular elsewhere. The EC saw the election wouldn't fly and tried to tell Pheu Thai. They wouldn't listen. They arranged a " forum " to overrule the EC. The Constitutional Court on January 24 affirmed that the election could be constitutionally delayed. Pheu Thai wouldn't listen. They went ahead. The election was a fiasco. Yingluck as a consequence has no legislative authority. None. Since December 9 she has had no publicly sanctioned mandate. None. She is the subject of an abuse of office charge that could result in her needing to step down. She is also subject to impeachment for her role in the rice scheme scandal. She hasn't been comfortable in many months touring Bangkok because of intense vocal opposition. On February 25 as a consequence she announced that she would work in surrounding provinces rather than in Bangkok. She has spent her time with facebook postings, where she has criticized the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission. She has continually delayed testifying. And yet - today - she has apparently assimilated none of these as signals of disenchantment with her work. But she's selective. She wants to listen to the people, but she spends much time avoiding the people she doesn't want to listen to. She wants peace and order to prevail, yet she doesn't want to cooperate with the impeachment investigation or even the legal process in general. She's an island onto herself. Looking in.

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Dr Bruce, on 22 Apr 2014 - 23:12, said:

Scamper, on 22 Apr 2014 - 23:01, said:

You'd think Yingluck would sense on some level that things aren't quite right now. She dissolved parliament four and a half months ago. She quickly realized she couldn't visit her office. On the campaign trail she had to limit appearances to Chiang Mai and Isaan because she was so unpopular elsewhere. The EC saw the election wouldn't fly and tried to tell Pheu Thai. They wouldn't listen. They arranged a " forum " to overrule the EC. The Constitutional Court on January 24 affirmed that the election could be constitutionally delayed. Pheu Thai wouldn't listen. They went ahead. The election was a fiasco. Yingluck as a consequence has no legislative authority. None. Since December 9 she has had no publicly sanctioned mandate. None. She is the subject of an abuse of office charge that could result in her needing to step down. She is also subject to impeachment for her role in the rice scheme scandal. She hasn't been comfortable in many months touring Bangkok because of intense vocal opposition. On February 25 as a consequence she announced that she would work in surrounding provinces rather than in Bangkok. She has spent her time with facebook postings, where she has criticized the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission. She has continually delayed testifying. And yet - today - she has apparently assimilated none of these as signals of disenchantment with her work. But she's selective. She wants to listen to the people, but she spends much time avoiding the people she doesn't want to listen to. She wants peace and order to prevail, yet she doesn't want to cooperate with the impeachment investigation or even the legal process in general. She's an island onto herself. Looking in.

And she knows that the people of Thailand support her, all she needs is an election to shut the vocal rich minority out once and for all.

We will have an election in this country, even the EC are now getting close to naming a date. when we have an election PTP will win yet again and we may even get reform of the Non-Independent agencies that have been blocking democracy for the last 4 months.

Yes, and so finally the Thaksin Dictatorship will be fully installed. We will eliminate all the non-reds and sing 5 times a day a praise song on the Shins. You are a bloody Fascist my dear!

[Jean Pierre Jacquot]

Blablabla... it is clear since a few months already that the majority of Thai people do not want her. So just take responsibility and step down little chinese baby instead of continuing to lie..

[natway09]

Lets make it clear, if she steps down she must first convince the red shirts of that.

Without their blessing blood will again be spilled.

I doubt the Mayor of Dubai can control his ego as well as his money to REALLY give politics away.

Check it out in 6 months

[natway09]

ATF, sorry mate, democracy & getting the right to vote have nothing whatsoever to do with having to own land or a house.

I am sure you do not really mean that, or do u?

[Fullstop]

She said she is ready to leave politics 'IF THE PEOPLE WANT HER TO'

They do NOT!

The majority of Thai's like or love Yingluck

The majority of Thais are bribable ... for a lousy 500 Baht.

[bander]

I don't believe her for a second, she and her brother will find another Shinawatra member to be a new PM, when one puppet is expired, just bring a new one

[piersbeckett]

All you need isfor the dems to win...

and for a few million numpty's up north to grow brains overnight.

Shouldn't that be numpties? - love it

All you need is for Dems to win.

You have more chance of nailing Jelly to the ceiling.

[bigbamboo]

She is ready to live abroad with filled up pockets? Did she take enough from the poorer poor?

majority of people would do it if they could.

Sure everyone likes to make a quick buck......saintly people are pretty thin on the ground. But there's a difference between that and the disgusting greed we see from the Shins and others who have more money than they can ever spend but it's still not enough. They are happy to take money that could otherwise be spent on the poor and disadvantaged and that is why they are loathed and disrespected by so many.

[semester]

Yingluck is incompetent.

I agree.

[semester]

Like father like daughter!

Newbie...Yingluck is Thaksin's Sister, not Daughter.

Just saying.

Thaksin is on record as saying he views Yingluck as his daughter and Yingluck has said she sees him as her second father. Additionally, biologically, he's old enough to be her father.

http://asiancorrespondent.com/61404/thaksin-on-yingluck-she-is-not-not-a-micromanager-like-me/

Edited April 23, 2014 by semester

[Fullstop]

Thaksin is on record as saying he views Yingluck as his daughter

How does he view his daughter? As his wife?