WoopyDoo Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Allow me to be the first to come in here and laugh hysterically at the idea that she will spend a single night in a jail cell. You are right.... But a threat of jail will certainly see her banished from the land, and that in itself is another axe blow to the Shin Clan... So don't be too surprised if a prison sentence is in fact served up if only to make this happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rametindallas Posted May 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) The NACC accused her of committing the following offences:- Dereliction of duty in violation of Section 157 of the Criminal Code leading to damages;- As a government official, doing or not doing something that caused damage, or being negligent in violation of the NACC Act of 1999; andDid she lift a finger or speak out in any documented way to limit the damage? No!- Intentional exercising of power contrary to Article 178 of the Constitution, which stipulates that the prime minister shall carry out the administration of state affairs in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution, laws and the policies stated before Parliament. Yingluck allegedly let corruption occur in the rice-pledging scheme and release of rice from government stockpiles, while the dereliction-of-duty charge relates to whether or not she tried to put the brakes on the project, and whether damage was done to the country as a result.If she is indicted by the NACC, the following will happen:She will have to suspend her duties as prime minister immediately while the Senate decides whether to impeach her and the Supreme Court's Criminal Division decides whether to prosecute her.The NACC will submit all of its reports on the case to the Senate and the Office of the Attorney-General.If Yingluck were found guilty criminally, she could face a prison term of one to 10 years and/or a fine of between Bt2,000 and Bt20,000.Or she could abscond from the country as her brother did.If three-fifths of the Senate voted to impeach her, she would be barred from politics for five years.Defence testimonyCaretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra- Rejects the National Anti-Corruption Commission's authority to look into alleged graft in the rice-pledging scheme, saying taking the case to the NACC was illegal.If not the NACC, then which organization would be responsible to protect the citizen's interests?l Insists that she is not a wrongdoer for the following reasons:1. The rice-pledging scheme is one of the government's most immediate and basic policies that both the government and its Cabinet are mutually responsible for. Therefore, if the prime minister orders the suspension of the project, it could violate the Constitution's Section 178, which obliges the government to implement what it announces to Parliament.She needn't suspend the program to limit the corruption2. Implementing the rice-pledging scheme is part of the prime minister's general duties under the State Administration Act.Implementing a scheme that was designed from the ground up to facilitate corruption is not generally the PM's duty under the State Administration Act.3. The prime minister's duties are related to the policies and strategies proposed to the Cabinet and as chairwoman of the National Rice Policy Committee, the prime minister does not have the authority to suspend the scheme.Again, she needn't suspend the program to limit the thieving and damage to the country.4. Upon receiving a written warning from the NACC that there were problems with the project, especially corruption, the prime minister immediately ordered that an investigative committee be set up to prevent further graft.Did that committee she set up find even one instance of graft? It wasn't a serious effort, then.Deputy Commerce Minister Yanyong Phuangrachl Allegations of Yingluck's dereliction of duty in relation to the rice-pledging scheme were based on four illogical assumptions:1. Allegation that the government distorted the market mechanism via the rice-pledging scheme, hence forcing down the prices: There is no perfect market for rice.This is not stated in any allegations in the OP or any other statement by the NACC that I am aware of. I await links to prove me wrong.2. Allegation that the project was created to secure votes and fill the pockets of corrupt officials: The project was able to increase both the volume and price of rice in a bid to reduce the income gap.From the beginning, it was pointed out by various NGOs that the way the program was structured was flawed and would lead to corruption yet it was not modified. Increasing the quantity and price of rice has not been proven to be a benefit to the country and somewhat contradicts the previous claim of 'no perfect market for rice'. The government, indeed, created the 'perfect market' for rice farmers with guarantees to purchase their rice for 40% above world market prices.3. Allegation that the PM was negligent in not ending the scheme when it only made losses: The PM cannot cancel or suspend any projects that were promised during the election campaign and later ratified in Parliament after the government was formed.Once again, she did not need to either cancel nor suspend the project to limit the damage and the election promises were not specific enough to limit her ability to modify the program. In fact, at one point when losses were becoming obvious to everyone, the cabinet attempted to lower the payments (supposedly doing what they claim above was not allowed) but farmers' protests nixed that. This attempted change was AFTER the Parliament ratified the program.4. Allegation that the project was making heavy losses based on data collected from the post-audit committee and Office of the Auditor-General of Thailand: Data not acceptable as the project had not ended.When every 100 Baht the program earned from selling the rice they bought costs 140 to the farmer, how can losses even theoretically be prevented? "No data on the progress of the program is acceptable until the program has ended" According to the above statements, no one had the power to end the program; especially the innocent MS Yingluck in her capacity as PM and Chair of the Rice Program.Caretaker Commerce Minister Nitwatthumrong Boonsongpaisanl The scheme was originally started in 1993 under the Democrat-led government of Chuan Leekpai and Yingluck's government has improved the scheme, making it more efficient and less prone to corruption.This is specious on the face of it. This plan was conceived, organized, voted into law, and operated by the PTP government. No other government program has paid farmers 40% above market rates for any farm product before. I hope they don't 'improve' any more Democrat programs; the country can't afford the PTP improvements.l As chair of the National Rice Policy Committee, Yingluck established 12 subcommittees to oversee and suppress any graft problems arising from the project. Caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung was given the job of looking into corruption related to the scheme since early 2012.Appointing corrupt cronies of her brother in hand-picked positions to administer the program was her first criminal act. Her second was to appoint the fox to guard the hen house. (Chalerm to look into corruption)l As for allegations of the project making huge losses, all government subsidies are meant to boost living conditions, so money needs to be injected to boost consumer spending in order to boost the economy. No public project can be expected to make a profit or loss, as it is not a business.It is clear this program will not lead to sustainable improvements in the farmer's lives. On the contrary, now the program has destroyed the market for Thai rice and the government is now in direct competition with these same farmers to sell rice to the world, we can say, categorically, that the program was a failure from conception except for the enriching of the corrupt. Short term economy boost to win elections are not to be confused with competent governing. Spending taxpayer money to build the farmers' ability to be more productive going forward would be a wise investment. This program did not do that.l As long as the project has not come to an end, data from the post-audit committee cannot be taken into account.As mentioned in earlier testimony, the project cannot ever be ended, except by bankrupting the country, for the reasons stated by the defense above.Caretaker Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranongl Revolving funds budgeted for the rice-pledging scheme were not too large.500 billion Baht was budgeted but the program is 120 billion Baht over the budget now.l There was fiscal discipline and it was constantly reported to the Cabinet.If there was fiscal discipline why did the program go over budget 130 billion Baht and if it was constantly reported, why wasn't the Chair, MS Yingluck, informed?l Despite the presence of corruption at the operational level, each step of the scheme can be investigated.If you are aware of corruption, please state what MS Yingluck, in her capacity as Chair of the Rice Program and PM, did about said corruption. Now you say it can be investigated but why hasn't it already been investigated over the last 30 months?l The scheme cannot be terminated as it was promised to the public.Since the Program cannot be ended, then there can never be an accounting of the losses and therefore no crimes can be proven. :Data not acceptable as the project had not ended". Brilliant! Deputy secretary general to the PM for Political Affairs Pol Maj General Thawat Boonfuengl In practice, the government has employed up to 30,000 personnel to inspect the state's rice stockpiles and investigate any problems. Name one bit of corruption or problem uncovered by the 30,000 personnel who inspected the state's rice stockpiles. In conclusion, the defense was contradictory and very weak. Edited May 2, 2014 by rametindallas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Serve time! She's a politician not a durian vendor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anon999 Posted May 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. Agree with your first sentence, except that she is Caretaker Prime Minister. You have a very bad memory. Disagree with the hopes and prayers in your second sentence. Any uprising would be limited to a low number of disgusting sympathisers. As far as your last sentence is concerned. Who says so, you? Obviously you're an adoring admirer. Regardless of her position if she is found guilty and is subject to a prison term then so be it. No if's but's or maybe's as she is not exempt from the law. You could always add your name to her list of visitors. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rametindallas Posted May 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. Nobody rose up when Thaksin was deposed, Nobody rose up when Thaksin was found guilty of corruption by the court for office holders. Thaksin had to create the 'UDD' to make uprisings happen and they happen on command of the Dear Leader. If Thaksin decides that Ms Yingluck's certain loss of her caretaker PM position deserves an uprising, then you will be correct in your assertion. As for her going to jail, I can't think of one person who thinks that will happen. She will follow her brother's example and leave the country. Poor Yingluck. She only wanted to help her family and now her brother has dropped her in the shit. She really didn't deserve that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Rejects the National Anti-Corruption Commission's authority to look into alleged graft in the rice-pledging scheme, saying taking the case to the NACC was illegal. She rejects the National Anti-Corruption Commissions authority to investigate corruption. Thats a great start. What does she think their job is ? I think that the argument goes thusly. Only the government can submit cases to the NACC. So it is illegal and wrong for the NACC to consider corruption cases that the government doesn't submit. Hence, no case against Yingluck or anyone in the government is possible, unless the government decides to punish one of their own. Whether their argument is legally solid or not is not clear to me (no a lawyer). However in my opinion it is definitely morally wrong, and if their argument is correct, there is definitely a need for a change to the law/constitution, because making the government immune from corruption prosecution is bad for the country. If there was even the slightest possibility that the NACC doesn't have authority in this matter, the PTP government would have already petitioned the Constitutional Court to rule on the reach/scope of the NACC. Government corruption is the main focus of the NACC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The rice-pledging scheme is one of the government's most immediate and basic policies that both the government and its Cabinet are mutually responsible for. Therefore, if the prime minister orders the suspension of the project, it could violate the Constitution's Section 178, which obliges the government to implement what it announces to Parliament. So it would would seem that if a party makes an election promise then gets into Govt they must keep that promise regardless of how much damage it can cause. So if a party promised something that is later found to be faulty and to implement it would cause a million deaths then those people must die because it was an election promise. Or in this case the country stands to lose around a trillion Baht and millions of farmers are forced into debt. Thats OK because it was an election promise and must be kept. While it seems a good idea to keep parties to their election promises there must be a limit where stupidity take over. Still a Govt with any honor and sense of responsabiity would resign before that point was reached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. The usual threats from the reds... Maybe you should apply for an internship at Chalerm's office... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. Why shouldn't the caretaker PM go to jail,is she above the law.She should be jailed for taking advice from convicted crims,hows that for starters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. She isn't the PM as well you know. She stopped officially being that when she dissolved parliament. She continues in the role of caretaker PM and caretaker DM with very limited powers. I doubt she will ever see jail time - rich HiSo elite Chinese Thais never do, regardless of their crimes. She fits all this criteria. I doubt there will be a mass exodus of enforced exiles. The worst is that some may have to loose face and answer some questions about there unusual massive wealth increases over the last 3 years, But, that will get swept under the carpet. People on here continue to compare Thailand to a Western democracy. It's nothing like. Justice and the application of laws has very different dimensions here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkstooge Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. Speak for yerself Mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. You obviously did not ask for my opinion GK............................................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. She isn't the PM as well you know. She stopped officially being that when she dissolved parliament. She continues in the role of caretaker PM and caretaker DM with very limited powers. I doubt she will ever see jail time - rich HiSo elite Chinese Thais never do, regardless of their crimes. She fits all this criteria. I doubt there will be a mass exodus of enforced exiles. The worst is that some may have to loose face and answer some questions about there unusual massive wealth increases over the last 3 years, But, that will get swept under the carpet. People on here continue to compare Thailand to a Western democracy. It's nothing like. Justice and the application of laws has very different dimensions here. But BB, if she is hi-so and elite does that mean she is one of the crowd of evil so-and-sos the red flag wavers have been condemning on this forum for years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 " As chair of the National Rice Policy Committee, Yingluck established 12 subcommittees to oversee and suppress any graft problems arising from the project. Caretaker Labour Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung was given the job of looking into corruption related to the scheme since early 2012. " This is Yingluck's defense ? What do you think, Einstein? I suspect there is a bit more to it than that. Hilarious ! Fabio banging his head against the wall, frustrated because he cannot convince anyone that he is right and we are all wrong ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belg Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 one question: did all the rice farmers get paid by now ? seize her assets and stop the rice berg scam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongteesood Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I want the books to be scrutinized and I want the graft to be investigated and I wish for Yingluck to spend at least 1 day in jail for each 1000 baht of money or worth of rice that is unaccounted for. Meanwhile, let's say that she can pay it off at a higher rate ( because we have to add interest at 25% per year ) See how much lost money and / or rice miraculously suddenly reappears. I think that would be extremely leniient on her really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I want the books to be scrutinized and I want the graft to be investigated and I wish for Yingluck to spend at least 1 day in jail for each 1000 baht of money or worth of rice that is unaccounted for. Meanwhile, let's say that she can pay it off at a higher rate ( because we have to add interest at 25% per year ) See how much lost money and / or rice miraculously suddenly reappears. I think that would be extremely leniient on her really... You guys are hilarious. You think she took the money? You really think that if money did go missing she should be the one and only to be punished. If it did go missing it will involve thousands of dirty little mittens in the pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I want the books to be scrutinized and I want the graft to be investigated and I wish for Yingluck to spend at least 1 day in jail for each 1000 baht of money or worth of rice that is unaccounted for. Meanwhile, let's say that she can pay it off at a higher rate ( because we have to add interest at 25% per year ) See how much lost money and / or rice miraculously suddenly reappears. I think that would be extremely leniient on her really... You guys are hilarious. You think she took the money? You really think that if money did go missing she should be the one and only to be punished. If it did go missing it will involve thousands of dirty little mittens in the pie. The boss has to take the wrap, if she turned a blind eye, she is responsible there is no way out of it. CEO's get the chop, whether it be politician or football manager, even if those under are guilty a good CEO would be on the ball not to let it happen. If they are not competent / no experience no excuse should not be appointed initially and to top it normally a person would refuse the job knowing they would be out of their depth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) an explosion of violence will start when she is removed the rayban monk never served time for all his crimes ,none of them do their time Edited May 2, 2014 by 3NUMBAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american12bthai Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 The Prime Minister will not go to jail. Any attempt to take this inquisition down that path will see an outright uprising and a strong display of public disgust at the process. Even people who want to see the PTP replaced do not wish for the PM to be treated in this manner. who? you maybe. i would very much like to see her commit suicide. its the only way to bring honour to her family. just do it. you have no idea what her lies and policies have done to the poor and working class. RICE SCHEME 1st CAR SCHEME ONE CHILD ONE TABLET SCHEME 100 baht HEALTH CARE SCHEME (at whose expense?, riddled with corruption, and ridiculously long waits) !st HOME OWNERS SCHEME Shady land deals for friends and family left and right. promises of developing rural voters with WATER, SCHOOLS, and roads. ZERO progress. A korean Principal committed suicide when the shame was heavy. Yingluck will point fingers when HER FAULT is heavy. i dont have to link crap. . use google you terds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 an explosion of violence will start when she is removed the rayban monk never served time for all his crimes ,none of them do their time Will you and your kin be in the crowd? No time to read all the thread but if Yingluck serves even a nano-second of a custodial sentence i will eat my shorts and put the pics on TV. This is a cool country where you can engage in up to 600 billion in corruption and face a fine of between 2000 and 20000 baht. Thailand hub of deterrents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 an explosion of violence will start when she is removed the rayban monk never served time for all his crimes ,none of them do their time "An explosion of violence"... Yeah, right. Followed by civil war and global armageddon. Help! Help! The sky is falling!! Whether she's removed though is one thing; thrown in the slammer another.. It will be interesting to see how her departure is choreographed.. Maybe there's some foreign state visit being organized even as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issanaus Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I want the books to be scrutinized and I want the graft to be investigated and I wish for Yingluck to spend at least 1 day in jail for each 1000 baht of money or worth of rice that is unaccounted for. Meanwhile, let's say that she can pay it off at a higher rate ( because we have to add interest at 25% per year ) See how much lost money and / or rice miraculously suddenly reappears. I think that would be extremely leniient on her really... You guys are hilarious. You think she took the money? You really think that if money did go missing she should be the one and only to be punished. If it did go missing it will involve thousands of dirty little mittens in the pie. I think it would be fair to say that I am not a shin /yingluck fan and I have mentioned that I have some concerns about the whole scheme Lets assume that there is some corruption in the scheme. TIT The cash will not have directly gone to Yingluck or even the top of the PTP, more likely it would have been directed lower to pay for loyalty and cooperation in other matter. If they prove corruption I think that you would find that at some point it will cross party line - this has been the experience in every other country. Every party has good people, every party has bad people - only the ratios change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Please please make my dream come true, and get rid of Yingluck.... And no she will not serve jail time. When the verdict is announced, she will be close to the airport, where a private jet will be warmed up and waiting. I would also love to see a intensive investigation into where all that money went, and then do a clawback on all the people who had their finger in the rice pie. The rice scam may be sort of amusing for farangs, but the reality is , it is the Thai people's money that has been stolen from them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Please please make my dream come true, and get rid of Yingluck.... And no she will not serve jail time. When the verdict is announced, she will be close to the airport, where a private jet will be warmed up and waiting. I would also love to see a intensive investigation into where all that money went, and then do a clawback on all the people who had their finger in the rice pie. The rice scam may be sort of amusing for farangs, but the reality is , it is the Thai people's money that has been stolen from them..... What makes you think farangs are "amused" by it, whereas you (apart from everyone else) understand the people have had their money stolen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 If Yingluck were found guilty criminally, she could face a prison term of one to 10 years and/or a fine of between Bt2,000 and Bt20,000. Wow, a whopping 2000 baht. That's gotta hurt. Lucky for her there isn't a government in place which could update the laws to this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Please please make my dream come true, and get rid of Yingluck.... And no she will not serve jail time. When the verdict is announced, she will be close to the airport, where a private jet will be warmed up and waiting. I would also love to see a intensive investigation into where all that money went, and then do a clawback on all the people who had their finger in the rice pie. The rice scam may be sort of amusing for farangs, but the reality is , it is the Thai people's money that has been stolen from them..... What makes you think farangs are "amused" by it, whereas you (apart from everyone else) understand the people have had their money stolen? Amusing given the clarity of hindsight........ Countless farangs on TV said from day one this was a scam. And of course the rose colored glasses brigade on TV were saying this was a brilliant idea that would help the poor farmers. And now, as the breathtaking scope of the scam is revealed, I am pretty sure that this will go down as the greatest corruption scam in the history of Thailand . Made all the more bizarre as it was touted as a boon for the farmers. Sort of like publicly saying you are going to help someone, and then you rob them.... But your are right about one thing. There are probably quite a few farangs upcountry living the Isan dream who are in the family rice business, and I suspect they are not amused.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I want the books to be scrutinized and I want the graft to be investigated and I wish for Yingluck to spend at least 1 day in jail for each 1000 baht of money or worth of rice that is unaccounted for. Meanwhile, let's say that she can pay it off at a higher rate ( because we have to add interest at 25% per year ) See how much lost money and / or rice miraculously suddenly reappears. I think that would be extremely leniient on her really...You guys are hilarious. You think she took the money? You really think that if money did go missing she should be the one and only to be punished.If it did go missing it will involve thousands of dirty little mittens in the pie. The boss has to take the wrap, if she turned a blind eye, she is responsible there is no way out of it. CEO's get the chop, whether it be politician or football manager, even if those under are guilty a good CEO would be on the ball not to let it happen. If they are not competent / no experience no excuse should not be appointed initially and to top it normally a person would refuse the job knowing they would be out of their depth. Fair enough. As of course I have said elsewhere, they should also clean up the others who actually did the deed. She might be guilty of a blind eye, but do you really believe that the thousand others wi get done? That, by definition is a witch hunt. They are looking to get her and no one else. Certainly no one down the good chain is going to get done over. If I were her, I would simply proclaim that she will turn state evidence to save her own ass. The amount of people she could finger is enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Please please make my dream come true, and get rid of Yingluck.... And no she will not serve jail time. When the verdict is announced, she will be close to the airport, where a private jet will be warmed up and waiting. I would also love to see a intensive investigation into where all that money went, and then do a clawback on all the people who had their finger in the rice pie. The rice scam may be sort of amusing for farangs, but the reality is , it is the Thai people's money that has been stolen from them..... What makes you think farangs are "amused" by it, whereas you (apart from everyone else) understand the people have had their money stolen? Amusing given the clarity of hindsight........ Countless farangs on TV said from day one this was a scam. And of course the rose colored glasses brigade on TV were saying this was a brilliant idea that would help the poor farmers. And now, as the breathtaking scope of the scam is revealed, I am pretty sure that this will go down as the greatest corruption scam in the history of Thailand . Made all the more bizarre as it was touted as a boon for the farmers. Sort of like publicly saying you are going to help someone, and then you rob them.... But your are right about one thing. There are probably quite a few farangs upcountry living the Isan dream who are in the family rice business, and I suspect they are not amused.. I can't speak for anyone else (as you apparently can), but I don't find scams "amusing". I find it sad that so many bought the PTP snake oil and ended up getting hurt. Shin-rouge like to depict the anti-government factions as taking pleasure in the misery of these rice-farmers, but that's just pure political pot-stirring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I want the books to be scrutinized and I want the graft to be investigated and I wish for Yingluck to spend at least 1 day in jail for each 1000 baht of money or worth of rice that is unaccounted for. Meanwhile, let's say that she can pay it off at a higher rate ( because we have to add interest at 25% per year ) See how much lost money and / or rice miraculously suddenly reappears. I think that would be extremely leniient on her really...You guys are hilarious. You think she took the money? You really think that if money did go missing she should be the one and only to be punished.If it did go missing it will involve thousands of dirty little mittens in the pie. The boss has to take the wrap, if she turned a blind eye, she is responsible there is no way out of it.CEO's get the chop, whether it be politician or football manager, even if those under are guilty a good CEO would be on the ball not to let it happen.If they are not competent / no experience no excuse should not be appointed initially and to top it normally a person would refuse the job knowing they would be out of their depth. Fair enough.As of course I have said elsewhere, they should also clean up the others who actually did the deed. She might be guilty of a blind eye, but do you really believe that the thousand others wi get done?That, by definition is a witch hunt. They are looking to get her and no one else. Certainly no one down the good chain is going to get done over.If I were her, I would simply proclaim that she will turn state evidence to save her own ass. The amount of people she could finger is enormous. She would not last the week, Shinawatra or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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