Thai Commerce Min asserts no rice missing from warehouses

[Loles]

Anyway this wasn't question at all.

The problem is only the new TH Metric Tonne is 645.39 Kg updated by TH Comm Min.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Loles

[Jonmarleesco]

I doubt he has the slightest idea how much rice is, or ever was, in storage.

[BlueNoseCodger]

Of course they do. Why would they say anything else? Yes, and the anti corruption people should go & count it themselves, and the 2,900 private warehouses and the fumigation facilites. Did they hand over full accounts to the Commission? They previously said it was commercially sensitive & wouldn't divulge the numbers to anyone.

7000 Mt in each facility spread over hill and dale.2900 facilities. Impossible to count retrospectively.

Good luck.

Yes they did provide all the documents to the commission, the commission refuses to look at them. What do you expect with partisan political games?

[Thai at Heart]

Of course they do. Why would they say anything else? Yes, and the anti corruption people should go & count it themselves, and the 2,900 private warehouses and the fumigation facilites. Did they hand over full accounts to the Commission? They previously said it was commercially sensitive & wouldn't divulge the numbers to anyone.

7000 Mt in each facility spread over hill and dale.2900 facilities. Impossible to count retrospectively.

Good luck.

Yes they did provide all the documents to the commission, the commission refuses to look at them. What do you expect with partisan political games?

Well, if they have the paper, I am sure even Somchai in 7-11 with a calculator can add that up.

Now if they are stupid enough to have paper figures that don't add up,then these people really aren't as smart as anyone thinks they are.

Why would the defence provide figures that don't reach the correct total?

[noitom]

No rice is missing! He says so. That's it, the Thai says so.

[rametindallas]

This is a bluff. If an actual inventory were taken, there would be plenty of time to replace the rice; all rice looks pretty much the same. The real question, at the heart of the NACC investigation, is whether the money in/out matches the rice in/out and that is a deep, dark secret that cannot ever be revealed. Not one of Thaksin's cronies will give back their cut of the corruption so, whether or not the rice is there, no one will see the true figures. If necessary, there will be a fire in the accounting office and all copies of money transaction will be lost. Sorry.

[chotthee]

Independant audit please.

Suthep just did, and said otherwise on stage.

[AleG]

Of course they do. Why would they say anything else? Yes, and the anti corruption people should go & count it themselves, and the 2,900 private warehouses and the fumigation facilites. Did they hand over full accounts to the Commission? They previously said it was commercially sensitive & wouldn't divulge the numbers to anyone.

7000 Mt in each facility spread over hill and dale.2900 facilities. Impossible to count retrospectively.

Good luck.

Yes they did provide all the documents to the commission, the commission refuses to look at them. What do you expect with partisan political games?

Well, if they have the paper, I am sure even Somchai in 7-11 with a calculator can add that up.

Now if they are stupid enough to have paper figures that don't add up,then these people really aren't as smart as anyone thinks they are.

Why would the defence provide figures that don't reach the correct total?

Because they are incompetent for the job? Don't you remember the pathetic "miscommunications" a few months ago with the Commerce Ministry saying one thing and the Ministry of Economy saying something else completely?

They are both probably cooking the books in one way or another in an uncoordinated way.

[jaidam]

You lot are a sad and bitter bunch for sure. Why can't you be happy for the rotund Arisman and his lovely new fleet of widebody jets. Hooray for the rice pledging scheme!! Why can't you be happy for Dr.Thaksin who bragged to forbes that since the start of the rice scam his govt have sent him 30,000,000,000 baht to his dubai luxury compound. Hooray for the rice scam!! See, there have been some wonderful effects of the scam. Construction firms have enjoyed boomtimes building all the storage facilities. Luxury car dealerships have been inundated with orders from the connected ones. Yingluck should be knighted not villified. Who cares if a dozen or so farmers killed themselves due to losing money to the amart rouge, they probably would have been trampled by a rampaging buffalo anyway. Hooray for the Shins, Long live them and their rice scam!

[Thait Spot]

When there's been accusations of missing thousands of tonnes of rice the onus is on the accusers to prove this is indeed the case and normally when such accusations happen then a stock take by an independent authority is required and if the stock isn't missing then be prepared to be countered.

I don't see a problem in the government insisting the stocks be checked if they've been accused of having such huge numbers missing.

Whose job is it to maintain accurate stock and cash figures on this scheme?

The government!!! They are the administrators. Their own records show losses.

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[Fat Haggis]

Actually it's the responsibility of the storage depots to keep records and report these to a central office who eventually reports to the government.

It's like saying it's the governments responsibility to know where all the fuel tankers deposit their fuel after it's left the fuel depot.

No it isn't!!!

Every storage depot should have a transport manager and logistics manager who logs all the entries and exits.

Every depot should have a weigh bridge as well to tally up what's on the shipping/transport invoice.

That's not Yonglucks responsibility there's dedicated people who should be hauled up for questioning waaaaaaaaay before she's been hauled in.

[Thai at Heart]

Actually it's the responsibility of the storage depots to keep records and report these to a central office who eventually reports to the government.

It's like saying it's the governments responsibility to know where all the fuel tankers deposit their fuel after it's left the fuel depot.

No it isn't!!!

Every storage depot should have a transport manager and logistics manager who logs all the entries and exits.

Every depot should have a weigh bridge as well to tally up what's on the shipping/transport invoice.

That's not Yonglucks responsibility there's dedicated people who should be hauled up for questioning waaaaaaaaay before she's been hauled in.

Exactly. If you can't get the little guys to admit fault and that this info went up the line, the argument is circumstantial.

[Thait Spot]

Actually it's the responsibility of the storage depots to keep records and report these to a central office who eventually reports to the government.

It's like saying it's the governments responsibility to know where all the fuel tankers deposit their fuel after it's left the fuel depot.

No it isn't!!!

Every storage depot should have a transport manager and logistics manager who logs all the entries and exits.

Every depot should have a weigh bridge as well to tally up what's on the shipping/transport invoice.

That's not Yonglucks responsibility there's dedicated people who should be hauled up for questioning waaaaaaaaay before she's been hauled in.

Poor analogy.

The Petroleum AuThority of Thailand is the government body to which you refer and is more usually referred to as PTT.

It most certainly should know where its stock is at any given time and it does.

How in the name of God could anyone ever run such a scheme where nobody has a grip on either cash or stock?

You wouldn't run a noodle cart like that!

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[Thai at Heart]

Actually it's the responsibility of the storage depots to keep records and report these to a central office who eventually reports to the government.

It's like saying it's the governments responsibility to know where all the fuel tankers deposit their fuel after it's left the fuel depot.

No it isn't!!!

Every storage depot should have a transport manager and logistics manager who logs all the entries and exits.

Every depot should have a weigh bridge as well to tally up what's on the shipping/transport invoice.

That's not Yonglucks responsibility there's dedicated people who should be hauled up for questioning waaaaaaaaay before she's been hauled in.

Poor analogy.

The Petroleum AuThority of Thailand is the government body to which you refer and is more usually referred to as PTT.

It most certainly should know where its stock is at any given time and it does.

How in the name of God could anyone ever run such a scheme where nobody has a grip on either cash or stock?

You wouldn't run a noodle cart like that!

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PTT is a private company with a govt shareholding. It buys its product independent of government influence or control. It also owns its storage facilities.

PTT is not a good analogy. The paper report for the rice, I am sure does not show a loss. At least unless Yingluck and her group are the dumbest fraudsters, which they definitely aren't.

I am sure there is not a file in Yinglucks office named "Rice stock loss report" with a highlighted number at the bottom showing -2000000 tons. Someone out in the operation should be put on record to say "I falsified numbers".

Edited May 6, 2014 by Thai at Heart

[Fat Haggis]

And I'd assume that the PTT had a transaction manifest of every single tanker on the road and it's destination and origin and would be able to produce the accounts of its hundreds of petrol stations too? It should have same as the rice warehouses and again it's the middlemen who are those responsible it's not Yingluck's in my opinion but I'm a Farang and it matters not a jot to me as it's not effecting me or my Thai family in any shape or form.

If your going to accuse huge discrepancies then have the proof that there is indeed missing stocks and when told to check again then do so . As how can they claim so much rice is missing if they have NOT already conducted a check on ALL the facilities in question!!

[ratcatcher]

The BUCK stops here! Sorry, the BAHT just went past.

Honorable. Unprincipled.

[scorecard]

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Actually it's the responsibility of the storage depots to keep records and report these to a central office who eventually reports to the government.
It's like saying it's the governments responsibility to know where all the fuel tankers deposit their fuel after it's left the fuel depot.
No it isn't!!!
Every storage depot should have a transport manager and logistics manager who logs all the entries and exits.
Every depot should have a weigh bridge as well to tally up what's on the shipping/transport invoice.

That's not Yonglucks responsibility there's dedicated people who should be hauled up for questioning waaaaaaaaay before she's been hauled in.

No matter how you try to play it, the pm most definitely does has oversight responsibility, to ensure there is security and management processes and aligned actions, to ensure it's all accounted for plus oversight responsibility to ensure there is an appropriate audit process in place plus actual broad based audit activity.

She should have appropriate senior officers constantly watching that all of this in place and is actioned, with regular reporting including an executive summary on her desk for her to sign off.

Plus the ombudsmen and state auditors should have sign off / demand sign off as part of the process.

I say again, no matter how you try to play it, twist it, spin it, the pm definitely does has oversight responsibility.

Edited May 6, 2014 by scorecard