Red shirts call ruling Pheu Thai party to disobey charter court

[webfact]

Redshirts call ruling party to disobey charter court

BANGKOK: -- Redshirt people yesterday urged the ruling Pheu Thai party to disobey the ruling of the Constitutional Court, accusing it itself grossly violated the country's highest law.

The redshirts led by Mr Charn Chaiya, leader of the pro-government People’s Radio for Democracy Group is a faction of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

He submitted the request to the party spokesman n a letter which was received by spokesman Prompong Nopparit asking the Pheu Thai party and the government to undertake civil disobedience against the court’s performance of its duty.

He accused the court of violating Section 300 of the constitution, therefore it should not have authority to accept petitions or issue rulings in cases.

The court is accused of failing to complete tasks stipulated under Sections 216 and 300 of the 2007 Constitution.

Section 216 requires the court to prescribe its procedures in an organic act while Section 300 requires it to do that within one year from the date the charter took effect.

The faction leader demanded Pheu Thai discard the court’s judicial powers and disseminate “the facts related to the alleged breach of the charter” to the public.

He also called on all judges to resign from the nine-member Constitutional Court panel to pave the way for appointment of new judges.

The defiant red shirt leader threatened to mobilize supporters nationwide to reject the court’s rulings if the judges continue to perform their duties.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/redshirts-call-ruling-party-disobey-charter-court/


-- Thai PBS 2014-05-05

[Robby nz]

As it is not only the job of the charter (constitution) court to interpret constitution law but to enforce it, then by defying the court they are also defying the constitution.

But I suppose desperate intimidation and threats are all they have left.

[northernjohn]

That's funny the red shirts call for their political arm (PTP) to ignore the Constitutional Court while the political arm says they can not have elections under Abhist's plan because it is not Constitutional.

The left hand says it is all right to ignore the Constitution and the right hand says things can't be done because they are unconstitutional.

Send them more ear medicine.

[Thaddeus]

He also called on all judges to resign from the nine-member Constitutional Court panel to pave the way for appointment of new judges.

And those new Judges would be?

[Bluespunk]

"The faction leader demanded Pheu Thai discard the courts judicial powers"

Ah, bless, the poor dear is so hyped up on the UDD's success into bullying concert organisers into cancelling concerts and beating up monks that he thinks their word and desire is the law.

Mind he is typical of many UDD leaders and troopers in that cannot believe in any truth but the "red truth". Justice and legality is what he says it is because he wants it to be so.

[Costas2008]

And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

[Melyn]

There are some who wish for outright control of everything and that should never be allowed to happen

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[TVGerry]

Yes it's Shinwatra democracy! Ignore or disobey the courts when you don't agree with them. And these people still want to pretend that they're a real government?

[Valentine]

"The faction leader demanded Pheu Thai discard the courts judicial powers"

Ah, bless, the poor dear is so hyped up on the UDD's success into bullying concert organisers into cancelling concerts and beating up monks that he thinks their word and desire is the law.

Mind he is typical of many UDD leaders and troopers in that cannot believe in any truth but the "red truth". Justice and legality is what he says it is because he wants it to be so.

Their leaders most likely do understand the difference between red truth & reality but they are paid to spout the red line. Unfortunately many of their followers can become brainwashed & so unable to see the distinction nor see past the red fog. The same can be said for the other side of the equation except, as far as I know, they have not set up special schools to indoctrinate their followers. The propaganda game being played out here would have made Goebbels proud.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Valentine

[northernjohn]

"The faction leader demanded Pheu Thai discard the courts judicial powers"

Ah, bless, the poor dear is so hyped up on the UDD's success into bullying concert organisers into cancelling concerts and beating up monks that he thinks their word and desire is the law.

Mind he is typical of many UDD leaders and troopers in that cannot believe in any truth but the "red truth". Justice and legality is what he says it is because he wants it to be so.

Remember that many of these people learned of democracy in red shirt schools set up in 2010 to teach people what democracy was. On graduation day they were sent to Bangkok to help burn it down.

[sweatalot]

Yes it's Shinwatra democracy! Ignore or disobey the courts when you don't agree with them. And these people still want to pretend that they're a real government?

even more

they want to pretend they are democrats and the government is democratic

[Tatsujin]

Only one word describes these morons . . . hypocrites . . .

(actually there are many more but they are fairly derogatory and I don't want another ban)

[ginjag]

It's not in the interest for pro gov posters to be in on this topic, as it is a difficult subject to get brownie likes.

This is about democracy--that these magnificent 7 advocate on TVF--but do not like the results of democracy.

[NongKhaiKid]

He also called on all judges to resign from the nine-member Constitutional Court panel to pave the way for appointment of new judges.

And those new Judges would be?

I can't think of any names to nominate but i know who would

[winstonc]

where are the esteemed gentlemen of the red persuasion to give us the take on this...im all ears..eyes..the first 4 words should read...yeah but those fascists..

[northernjohn]

He also called on all judges to resign from the nine-member Constitutional Court panel to pave the way for appointment of new judges.

And those new Judges would be?

I can't think of any names to nominate but i know who would

Just ask Jatuporn.I ham sure he has a list with his name on the top of it.

[chainarong]

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And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

UDD one of the "D" words is for Democracy , more like Dictatorship, this type of dummy spitting is similar to the PTP administration , if we can't get what we want we will do our own thing , regardless.

[chainarong]

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Only one word describes these morons . . . hypocrites . . .

(actually there are many more but they are fairly derogatory and I don't want another ban)

No much use on the outside Tatsujin , you are more need in the support faction , we are all beating our heads against a brick wall , but hey helps pass the time

[Publicus]

And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

How quickly some forget. How conveniently some forget.

In 2008 the Constitution Court dismissed the People's Power Party PM Samak who consequently did honor and respect the CC by immediately vacating the office. The late Kuhn Samak retained his MP status, which had been unaffected by the Constitution Court decision, but silently vacated the office of prime minister, as ordered by the Constitution Court.

In 2006 a previous CC had dissolved the Thai Rak Thai party which quietly and peacefully went away. The effect of the 2006 CC ruling dissolving TRT was to produce a political vacuum that later was filled by the now infamous military coup d'état.

The 2008 Constitutional Court also dismissed the People's Power Party led coalition government which consequently honored and respected the Constitution Court decision by immediately vacating their offices of government.

Again in 2008, the Constitutional Court dissolved the People's Power Party itself, which immediately honored and respected the CC's ruling, thus being abolished from the political landscape by the CC ruling.

The Constitution Court in 2008 thus conducted a radical cancelling of the election outcome and completely dissolved the parliamentary coalition government.

So in 2008 the elected coalition government led by the People's Power Party quietly and respectfully obeyed the Constitution Court by vacating its offices of government. The party that received the plurality of votes, the PPP, and the coalition government it had formed in the parliament, disappeared, quietly and respectfully, thus honoring and obeying the ruling of the Constitutional Court. (Yeah, some vocal complaining was of course done, but the party and the government honored and respected the Constitution Court decision.)

I know reality is a strange place for you to be, but welcome to it anyway and try to make yourself at home with it.

You might begin by comparing and contrasting the quiet and respectful compliance of the Constitution Court by the Thai Rak Thai Party, the People's Power Party and presently by the Pheu Thai Party to the street rabble of the Democrat Party of Abhisit, Suthep, their cave man pals of the PCAD and its predecessor anarchists and notorious airport vagrants the PAD.

All the same however it's now become apparent the judges were so busy in 2008 they apparently didn't have time to comply with the constitution they were so zealously enforcing. It seems that in the commotion of the time they lost the plot concerning Sections 216 and 300 respectively. They need to correct this unfortunate oversight before they do anything else. It's the right and proper thing to do.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Publicus

[Scamper]

This is the line in the sand everyone feared would be crossed. If the Constitutional Court ruling were ever disavowed by the Yingluck administration it would - literally - be the end of the rule of law. There is no other way to interpret it. There is no other way to measure it. The Constitutional Court is the highest court in the land. It is empowered by the Constitution. Their role is to interpret the Constitution, and their judgments have constitutional weight. That weight means that their rulings must be respected to and adhered to - without question or equivocation. By formally accepting this request from this UDD faction, Prompong and Pheu Thai have already committed a grave error. This is an unconstitutional request. To formally accept it for consideration is an unconstitutional act. It also underscores the gravely serious narrative that Pheu Thai has engaged in recent months regarding the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission. The UDD and Pheu Thai have become constitutional experts ever since they began disagreeing with their rulings. They can't dictate or teach the Constitution to the Constitutional Court. To do so not only looks ridiculous, it is illegal, and it is contempt of court.

The requirement of the Yingluck administration is clear. They need to immediately - today - reject this obscene request - without equivocation.They need to immediately - today - affirm that they will accept the rulings of the Constitutional Court and the National Anti-Corruption Commission - whatever those rulings may be - without question or equivocation. Not to do so would be gravely serious.

Edited May 5, 2014 by Scamper

[winstonc]

And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

How quickly some forget. How conveniently some forget.

In 2008 the Constitution Court dismissed the People's Power Party PM Samak who consequently did honor and respect the CC by immediately vacating the office. The late Kuhn Samak retained his MP status, which had been unaffected by the Constitution Court decision, but silently vacated the office of prime minister, as ordered by the Constitution Court.

In 2006 a previous CC had dissolved the Thai Rak Thai party which quietly and peacefully went away. The effect of the 2006 CC ruling dissolving TRT was to produce a political vacuum that later was filled by the now infamous military coup d'état.

The 2008 Constitutional Court also dismissed the People's Power Party led coalition government which consequently honored and respected the Constitution Court decision by immediately vacating their offices of government.

Again in 2008, the Constitutional Court dissolved the People's Power Party itself, which immediately honored and respected the CC's ruling, thus being abolished from the political landscape by the CC ruling.

The Constitution Court in 2008 thus conducted a radical cancelling of the election outcome and completely dissolved the parliamentary coalition government.

So in 2008 the elected coalition government led by the People's Power Party quietly and respectfully obeyed the Constitution Court by vacating its offices of government. The party that received the plurality of votes, the PPP, and the coalition government it had formed in the parliament, disappeared, quietly and respectfully, thus honoring and obeying the ruling of the Constitutional Court. (Yeah, some vocal complaining was of course done, but the party and the government honored and respected the Constitution Court decision.)

I know reality is a strange place for you to be, but welcome to it anyway and try to make yourself at home with it.

You might begin by comparing and contrasting the quiet and respectful compliance of the Constitution Court by the Thai Rak Thai Party, the People's Power Party and presently by the Pheu Thai Party to the street rabble of the Democrat Party of Abhisit, Suthep, their cave man pals of the PCAD and its predecessor anarchists and notorious airport vagrants the PAD.

All the same however it's now become apparent the judges were so busy in 2008 they apparently didn't have time to comply with the constitution they were so zealously enforcing. It seems that in the commotion of the time they lost the plot concerning Sections 216 and 300 respectively. They need to correct this unfortunate oversight before they do anything else. It's the right and proper thing to

you must google a lot

[than]

People’s Radio for Democracy Group is like to Kotee, Kotee is a terrorist and criminal. this is a new unconstitutional move from reds....

[TimCM]

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And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

UDD one of the "D" words is for Democracy , more like Dictatorship, this type of dummy spitting is similar to the PTP administration , if we can't get what we want we will do our own thing , regardless.

So true, just like PDRC, and PDRK, it seems having democratic in your name means you will do the exact opposite.

ps. forgot to add democrat party here too

Sadly, we have fallen into mob rule where legalities are ignored by all sides. I don't see a way out that does not end in bloodshed

[rabas]

And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

How quickly some forget. How conveniently some forget.

In 2008 the Constitution Court dismissed the People's Power Party PM Samak who consequently did honor and respect the CC by immediately vacating the office. The late Kuhn Samak retained his MP status, which had been unaffected by the Constitution Court decision, but silently vacated the office of prime minister, as ordered by the Constitution Court.

In 2006 a previous CC had dissolved the Thai Rak Thai party which quietly and peacefully went away. The effect of the 2006 CC ruling dissolving TRT was to produce a political vacuum that later was filled by the now infamous military coup d'état.

The 2008 Constitutional Court also dismissed the People's Power Party led coalition government which consequently honored and respected the Constitution Court decision by immediately vacating their offices of government.

Again in 2008, the Constitutional Court dissolved the People's Power Party itself, which immediately honored and respected the CC's ruling, thus being abolished from the political landscape by the CC ruling.

The Constitution Court in 2008 thus conducted a radical cancelling of the election outcome and completely dissolved the parliamentary coalition government.

So in 2008 the elected coalition government led by the People's Power Party quietly and respectfully obeyed the Constitution Court by vacating its offices of government. The party that received the plurality of votes, the PPP, and the coalition government it had formed in the parliament, disappeared, quietly and respectfully, thus honoring and obeying the ruling of the Constitutional Court. (Yeah, some vocal complaining was of course done, but the party and the government honored and respected the Constitution Court decision.)

I know reality is a strange place for you to be, but welcome to it anyway and try to make yourself at home with it.

You might begin by comparing and contrasting the quiet and respectful compliance of the Constitution Court by the Thai Rak Thai Party, the People's Power Party and presently by the Pheu Thai Party to the street rabble of the Democrat Party of Abhisit, Suthep, their cave man pals of the PCRD and its predecessor anarchists and notorious airport vagrants the PAD.

All the same however it's now become apparent the judges were so busy in 2008 they apparently didn't have time to comply with the constitution they were so zealously enforcing. I seems that in the commotion of the time they lost the plot concerning Sections 216 and 300 respectively. They need to correct this unfortunate oversight before they do anything else. It's the right and proper thing to do.

With Thaksin/red politicians, PMs, and entire parties being ruled against and disbanded for corruption and illegal activity, often, you choose to argue that they are law biding because they do not engage is further illegal activity by ignoring the entire legal system after being caught. (rather, they regroup and do it again)

I sincerely hope you realize that few people believe such nonsense and most clearly see it as an obvious twist of logic the size of a tornado. Are those the people you often call brain-dead?

The required brain mass to see through your ruse could be suspended by a spider's thread and not fall to the ground.

Edited May 5, 2014 by rabas

[northernjohn]

"The faction leader demanded Pheu Thai discard the courts judicial powers"

Ah, bless, the poor dear is so hyped up on the UDD's success into bullying concert organisers into cancelling concerts and beating up monks that he thinks their word and desire is the law.

Mind he is typical of many UDD leaders and troopers in that cannot believe in any truth but the "red truth". Justice and legality is what he says it is because he wants it to be so.

Their leaders most likely do understand the difference between red truth & reality but they are paid to spout the red line. Unfortunately many of their followers can become brainwashed & so unable to see the distinction nor see past the red fog. The same can be said for the other side of the equation except, as far as I know, they have not set up special schools to indoctrinate their followers. The propaganda game being played out here would have made Goebbels proud.

Not really on the other side of the equation it was the grass roots who set it up not a leadership that came later.

[ChrisY1]

Stupid people....PTP should be ashamed to be affiliated with this bunch of brain dead morons.......

I can't understand how any farang living here in Thailand, can support such blatant efforts from thugs, who have nothing in their minds but hatred and destruction!!

[northernjohn]

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And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

UDD one of the "D" words is for Democracy , more like Dictatorship, this type of dummy spitting is similar to the PTP administration , if we can't get what we want we will do our own thing , regardless.

So true, just like PDRC, and PDRK, it seems having democratic in your name means you will do the exact opposite.

ps. forgot to add democrat party here too

Sadly, we have fallen into mob rule where legalities are ignored by all sides. I don't see a way out that does not end in bloodshed

Unfortunately it has been the legalities being ignored by only one side that has brought us to this crises.

People tend to forget that it was not a party or politicians that started the anti government opposition. It was grass roots people fed up with the over the board in your face corruption of one party under the dictation of one man who brought Thailand to the mess it is in today. Remember if he cannot politically or legally get his way he also has an armed militant group on his pay roll.

Why is every one so eager to over look the grass roots people and focus on the politicians and their armed militia.

In Thailand it seems that after years of silence the grass roots people speak out and people try to slap them down rather than listening to them. If Suthep had not come along they would have been just swept away in to the you don't count land that they had been put in before and were desperately trying to escape from.

Like or don't like Suthep you have to admit he represents the forgotten ones who so many people are willing to forget again. With out him the corruption uproar would have died away long ago and the PTP would still be on the offense draining 2,2 billion baht into their off shore accounts. Where as now they find them selves on the defense.

I see where they had another train derailment in Chiang Mai. It was on track that was supposedly closed down for maintenance in fact it was in the Depot they couldn't even get out of the train station with out derailing.

[Publicus]

And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

How quickly some forget. How conveniently some forget.

In 2008 the Constitution Court dismissed the People's Power Party PM Samak who consequently did honor and respect the CC by immediately vacating the office. The late Kuhn Samak retained his MP status, which had been unaffected by the Constitution Court decision, but silently vacated the office of prime minister, as ordered by the Constitution Court.

In 2006 a previous CC had dissolved the Thai Rak Thai party which quietly and peacefully went away. The effect of the 2006 CC ruling dissolving TRT was to produce a political vacuum that later was filled by the now infamous military coup d'état.

The 2008 Constitutional Court also dismissed the People's Power Party led coalition government which consequently honored and respected the Constitution Court decision by immediately vacating their offices of government.

Again in 2008, the Constitutional Court dissolved the People's Power Party itself, which immediately honored and respected the CC's ruling, thus being abolished from the political landscape by the CC ruling.

The Constitution Court in 2008 thus conducted a radical cancelling of the election outcome and completely dissolved the parliamentary coalition government.

So in 2008 the elected coalition government led by the People's Power Party quietly and respectfully obeyed the Constitution Court by vacating its offices of government. The party that received the plurality of votes, the PPP, and the coalition government it had formed in the parliament, disappeared, quietly and respectfully, thus honoring and obeying the ruling of the Constitutional Court. (Yeah, some vocal complaining was of course done, but the party and the government honored and respected the Constitution Court decision.)

I know reality is a strange place for you to be, but welcome to it anyway and try to make yourself at home with it.

You might begin by comparing and contrasting the quiet and respectful compliance of the Constitution Court by the Thai Rak Thai Party, the People's Power Party and presently by the Pheu Thai Party to the street rabble of the Democrat Party of Abhisit, Suthep, their cave man pals of the PCAD and its predecessor anarchists and notorious airport vagrants the PAD.

All the same however it's now become apparent the judges were so busy in 2008 they apparently didn't have time to comply with the constitution they were so zealously enforcing. It seems that in the commotion of the time they lost the plot concerning Sections 216 and 300 respectively. They need to correct this unfortunate oversight before they do anything else. It's the right and proper thing to

you must google a lot

I do regularly, if that might be a lot - some people appreciate it, others don't.

I arrived in Thailand in 1998 so I'm one of the fahlang who were here during the demise of the Chuan 1997-2001 crisis government, the rise of Thaksin and TRT and the vicissitudes of both expat and Thai alike since then.

During my earlier years here I'd though the DP honorable and Thaksin a pimp. Since then I've come to see the DP as irrelevant and even dangerous and Thaksin as a pimp being beaten up on by the rest of the pimps while they all fight over control of the whore house .business.

Many have been here longer than I, others not. Google is always my friend but my memory serves me well too.

[Nickymaster]

Did they already find Koh Tee? Never mind...

[Valentine]

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And when, did the red leaders and supporters, adhere to the law and court rulings, in the past?

Nothing new now, the rule of the mob, governs.

UDD one of the "D" words is for Democracy , more like Dictatorship, this type of dummy spitting is similar to the PTP administration , if we can't get what we want we will do our own thing , regardless.

So true, just like PDRC, and PDRK, it seems having democratic in your name means you will do the exact opposite.

ps. forgot to add democrat party here too

Sadly, we have fallen into mob rule where legalities are ignored by all sides. I don't see a way out that does not end in bloodshed

Unfortunately it has been the legalities being ignored by only one side that has brought us to this crises.

People tend to forget that it was not a party or politicians that started the anti government opposition. It was grass roots people fed up with the over the board in your face corruption of one party under the dictation of one man who brought Thailand to the mess it is in today. Remember if he cannot politically or legally get his way he also has an armed militant group on his pay roll.

Why is every one so eager to over look the grass roots people and focus on the politicians and their armed militia.

In Thailand it seems that after years of silence the grass roots people speak out and people try to slap them down rather than listening to them. If Suthep had not come along they would have been just swept away in to the you don't count land that they had been put in before and were desperately trying to escape from.

Like or don't like Suthep you have to admit he represents the forgotten ones who so many people are willing to forget again. With out him the corruption uproar would have died away long ago and the PTP would still be on the offense draining 2,2 billion baht into their off shore accounts. Where as now they find them selves on the defense.

I see where they had another train derailment in Chiang Mai. It was on track that was supposedly closed down for maintenance in fact it was in the Depot they couldn't even get out of the train station with out derailing.

Good post except you should have said 2.2 trillion. I am waiting for the Suthep is also corrupt statements & yes he has been but as you rightly pointed out he has woken up many who are fed up with the rampant corruption going on.

The SRT has been a basket case for many years probably because successive governments & their cohorts make too much money out of it on the side.