All eyes on army as crisis peaks

[The stuttering parrot]

Try and keep up stalker!

[Just1Voice]

Try and keep up stalker!

To whom are you referring to?

[Just1Voice]

Try and keep up stalker!

Bad connection. Another double post.

Edited May 10, 2014 by Just1Voice

[ginjag]

Sutep has gone on long enough!

He himself is the only dictator on the scene and now more intimidation from him and his yellow rabble who are not looking for any common ground just stirring up violence and hoping for a coup d'état .

They would rather see blood than see a ballot box!

Get this thug of the streets now.

The only dictator on the scene you said. stupid joke, Jutaporn--Chalerm and the rest, you lost your marbles ??? I partly agree with some of Sutheps approach, but it has sorted out a few of your saviours---PTP gang.

Ballot box YES YES after the total mess is cleared unless you want the mess to continue. GET all the dictators behind bars, do not be biased.

You want all the dictaors behind bars then start with suthep and that non monk. Now that would be a good start down the road to democracy.

By all means, but afraid you have missed the main culprits -you forgot PTP , did you think that they were not a problem in the first place.

Sick one sided denial post. note I did not disagree with the 2 mentioned. but hardly dictators.

[Old Man River]

If the red shirts truly want to fight the army lets not worry when they have a hundred thousand casualties!!

It will never happen and should never happen. When you think of the RS's, who do you think of? They don't want it either. Some on both sides talk in front of the cameras, but discussions go on outside of this arena.

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[mikemac]

Speaking of road blocks along hwy 2, where are the Red Shirts? I thought they were suppose to have a demonstration in BKK today. It is now after 10AM and no sign of a red rally. Have the police stopped them at the road blocks as Ginjag suggest? Just wondering.

Are you at the Buddhamonthon area then? Because that is where the rally *IS* including preparations at 10am. It was it the newspapers and so on.

Why would the police (or army) stop Thai citizens going about their legal life? It wouldn't just be illegal. In the current situation it would be also dangerous for the security forces doing it, and it would be very inflammatory. Anyone who advises that right now is a flat fool or a dangerous inciter to violence.

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.........................................................or someone who was dropped on their head when young, like a red shirt leader...................

[mikemac]

The Thai Army runs all the main broadcast TV networks with the exception of some smaller cable TV operators. The Army has already chosen by allowing the PDRC to occupy them.

No, it does not. It runs Channel 5, and it owns and leases out Channel 7. All other channels are not military, including 3 (private) 9 (government) ThaiPBS (kind of a BBC thing, independent) and a flat-out government propaganda station (whatever government is in power) Channel 11. Of all TV stations big and small, the army runs one.

bigbamboo, on 10 May 2014 - 12:28, said:

With 'all eyes on the Army' I was wondering does anyone know who is actually the current Acting Caretaker Defence Minister...... aka their boss?

Yes. Almost, ALMOST everyone knows it is the current acting prime minister Niwatthamrong.

when we get the shinawatras out of thailands business we can have a fair election.....one without bribery, corruption, threats murders and buying votes......it won't her perfect but it will be democratic enough............if only the red shirts could ditch thaksins dictatorship through stolen billions we could HAVE a fair election.........if they did that and Pheu Thai won i wouldn't complain..........but we need square heads nose out of the trough first!!!!!!!!!!!!

So no elections ever again in Thailand. Ever? That's quite a threat. Sounds like a challenge, actually. I bet someone who's bigger than you will say, "How about we get the Sutheps out of Bangkok and have an election?" And since he's bigger than you, then what? You bring your daddy? And he brings his daddy? That sure sounds like what you want. Why are you so violent?

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For some reason I am reminded of a condescending old woman schoolteacher I had in high school.

[h90]

Yes the yellows don't buy votes!

Their not corrupt!

No noses in the trough!

The yellows are pure saints !

Just ask the self proclaimed peoples medium.

Talk about living in a fools paradise!

Which election did they buy votes?

On the last election the yellow had their "vote no" propaganda...told people to checkmark "no". I doubt they paid something for it.

[Showbags]

Thai people need to be lead and told what to do.

Time for a military government for 10 years or so.......or sell the country to the highest bidder

[kratiam]

If CAPO and Police can choose sides so openly why can't the army, the navy and the airforce?

Because CAPO is a joke and nobody takes then seriously (not even the reds, I guess), the police are internationally seen as massively corrupt and biased but the army etc are trying to be professional..........

[ginjag]

Yes the yellows don't buy votes!

Their not corrupt!

No noses in the trough!

The yellows are pure saints !

Just ask the self proclaimed peoples medium.

Talk about living in a fools paradise!

Which election did they buy votes?

On the last election the yellow had their "vote no" propaganda...told people to checkmark "no". I doubt they paid something for it.

Ha, fancy talking about a redundant colour and getting all crossoppled with the facts, Parrot is a good name.

[jennywren]

So now Suthep reveals a little more of his reform plans - eliminate freedom of speech, unless it's his speech. Eliminate news reporting unless it's his news. Thailand has been there before just following the 2006 military coup; Suthep is just following the military road map on how to overthrow democracy.

Yes, but he is quite clearly doing it on his own this time.

Army did 2 things in Bangkok today.

1. Showed Reds they are around and to keep their rally peaceful.

2. Drove past Sutheps shambles on Paholyothin and demostrated that they are having no involvement with him or his ilk. Here we are Mr Suthep and Sonhi... Hello boys... and here we go.... Bye, nothing doing boys, enjoy your exile.

Disgraceful as the Courts, Media and PDRC have been, at least they have opened the eyes of the few people outside of thailand that ever believed this mob was anything other than a grab for power by some of the oldies.

[philw]

Some posters seem to be of the opinion that a "civil war" would consist of "farmers" against the full blown military, tanks and all. I find that outlook hard to fathom. To my way of thinking the Reds would adopt the same tactics as the Southern Insurgents/Militants, ie: ambushes, surprise attacks to garner more weapons, ammunition and explosives. Let's face it, the Army has been totally, or near totally, useless in the South, and would fare no better in the north and northeast. The military, or whatever is left of it after the "watermelon troops" have left, would find itself trying to defend two undefendable fronts, and would pretty much be useless. And, unfortunately, this scenario could, and probably would, drag on for years. Look at how long it's been going on in the South.

Hope you are wrong, fear that you might be right.

If nothing else, it is certain that feelings and emotions are going too intensify.

With AV now proposing no election for the next 12 months, the disenfranchised ( and there are a lot of them ) will understandably get increasingly "unhappy".

[ginjag]

Some posters seem to be of the opinion that a "civil war" would consist of "farmers" against the full blown military, tanks and all. I find that outlook hard to fathom. To my way of thinking the Reds would adopt the same tactics as the Southern Insurgents/Militants, ie: ambushes, surprise attacks to garner more weapons, ammunition and explosives. Let's face it, the Army has been totally, or near totally, useless in the South, and would fare no better in the north and northeast. The military, or whatever is left of it after the "watermelon troops" have left, would find itself trying to defend two undefendable fronts, and would pretty much be useless. And, unfortunately, this scenario could, and probably would, drag on for years. Look at how long it's been going on in the South.

Hope you are wrong, fear that you might be right.

If nothing else, it is certain that feelings and emotions are going too intensify.

With AV now proposing no election for the next 12 months, the disenfranchised ( and there are a lot of them ) will understandably get increasingly "unhappy".

There is so much going on now---most dragged in from the past, with the wealthy business--army-big noise politicians- etc, but at the end of the day One can only put the finger on Thaksin, he had his run, fiddled and had to go, implanted his sister who he controlled via PTP, fiddled and had to go.

Now because his mega plan failed will do his best to destroy altogether. Red shirts with no one controlling Jutaporn, Thaksin has that hate to do this in revenge.

The nut Suthep came on the scene to highlight and try to rid Thailand of the Shin clan,

Does a corrupt court convicting a corrupt leader even things out ???? or is only the corrupt court wrong. food for thought.

[wandasloan]

So now Suthep reveals a little more of his reform plans - eliminate freedom of speech, unless it's his speech. Eliminate news reporting unless it's his news. Thailand has been there before just following the 2006 military coup; Suthep is just following the military road map on how to overthrow democracy.

Yes, but he is quite clearly doing it on his own this time.

Army did 2 things in Bangkok today.

1. Showed Reds they are around and to keep their rally peaceful.

2. Drove past Sutheps shambles on Paholyothin and demostrated that they are having no involvement with him or his ilk. Here we are Mr Suthep and Sonhi... Hello boys... and here we go.... Bye, nothing doing boys, enjoy your exile.

Disgraceful as the Courts, Media and PDRC have been, at least they have opened the eyes of the few people outside of thailand that ever believed this mob was anything other than a grab for power by some of the oldies.

You can say that again, let me help you, 555.

One small correction: The red shirts are on the very, very edge of remote eastern Bangkok (Thon Buri) and there's no army to be seen. I was just on the phone to a friend who's there.

For those who are interested, and any thinking person should be, maybe ESPECIALLY the Kamnan's keyboard-warrior supporters who choose to take no active outdoors part, here's the very easy, low-bandwidth live link to the reds' rally.

It's a star-studded Saturday, as they say. Even Tida had to go on at 7:30 to make way for the REALLY big stars who usually get going around 9 or later at these things.

http://www.uddtoday.net/

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[Tom420]

This situation has been going on for years in various manifestations here, quite simply Thailand was not and is not ready for democracy. It is getting a little tedious, actually no it is getting very tedious and I can even predict the responses in these posts before I read them. Same shit different day, week, month, year.

Did you just say that by reading these TV posts by farangs who for the most part do not speak thai, have only lived here a decade on average and who are not participants in this history--that by reading their predictable posts you have concluded that Thailand and the Thai people are not ready for democracy?

Well, maybe thats correct. After all, take a look at the red shirt and blue shirt conflicts in the USA. The Govt has been paralyzed for years. One could easily argue they are not yet ready for a democracy themselves...or maybe the people in both places are ready for an democracy but just can't shake their current oligarchies?

Nope this is based on living here a long time, being able to speak Thai and thus having about 95% Thai friends and 5% farang friends, doing my own research and coming to my own conclusions.

Funny you bring up the US, that has only been a country no more than 300 or so years, that place is a wreck. Yet look at Australia, same scenario as the US but they seem to have things working well. The US like Thailand has a 2 party system, whereas in the US whoever you vote for you are screwed, I guess the same could be said for this country.

C'mon, there is no democracy here, people want it but most Thais don't know what it actually is. I have Thai friends who actually have a larger vocabulary than me in English through their studies at university and one even works as a broadcaster on a Thai News channel, they are good to talk to as they actually have a brain.

Edited May 10, 2014 by Tom420

[marcusd]

Thai tanks ready to roll. Then what? Military government? Then what? A hand pick establishment lackey? Then what?

good exchange rates. That's about it

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[marcusd]

Thai tanks ready to roll. Then what? Military government? Then what? A hand pick establishment lackey? Then what?

Well last time there was a " A hand pick establishment lackey " medical care became free and Thailand opened up cheaper availability for major drugs (Aids.heart etc)

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seems like only the army cares and sadly no side of government

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[heybruce]

Is it really "peaking"?

Seems like there is still much room for escalation.

If The army utilizes the sections along highway 2 and feeders then no red army armed will be trailing down to BKK, same goes for Highway 4 from the south.

This was not done before the last siege of BKK, because of a LAZY police force, so we may as well not have a police force and let the army control civilians----there would be less flaming road blocks for money--caring and protecting the public is a priority---less crime. Army courts to convict.

Everyone is grumbling about the corrupt police--the corrupt government--the only solution --REFORM FIRST--- BUT with a sound government to control then and only then give the caring to the army boys, I would trust an army road check more than a police one---just saying--my take on it.

Short term measure only till the police are sorted and scanned.

No intelligent person disputes that the results of the 2011 election reflected the will of the majority. They weren't perfect, but the results were legitimate. In addition, no intelligent person thinks that the Democrats can win a fair election at this time, and possible ever in the future. Suthep knows this, that's why he's calling for "reform" and being vague about the details and time required. "Reform" sounds much nicer than "disenfranchise" or "undemocratic autocracy".

Sorry did I mention 2011---NO so that comment was not so intelligent was it ?? Did I dispute the election NO so that was not very intelligent was it ??

Did I mention the Dems and winning elections NO so again not intelligent to mention that, future unless you are a fortune teller you have no idea---not a good

intelligent answer. You are in denial. why post this to me anyway because it really has little to do with my ARMY topic.

Read your post, especially "...the only solution--REFORM FIRST...". I assumed you meant election reform, that's what it generally means when discussing anything related to Suthep. But perhaps you meant military reform, as you pointed out this is an "ARMY topic". Do you really think Suthep will attempt that?

Or do you think the Army is clean and in no need of reform? You're very wrong if that is the case, and you are wrong if you think a military junta would attempt to eliminate corruption.

Edited May 10, 2014 by heybruce

[heybruce]

Is it really "peaking"?

Seems like there is still much room for escalation.

If The army utilizes the sections along highway 2 and feeders then no red army armed will be trailing down to BKK, same goes for Highway 4 from the south.

This was not done before the last siege of BKK, because of a LAZY police force, so we may as well not have a police force and let the army control civilians----there would be less flaming road blocks for money--caring and protecting the public is a priority---less crime. Army courts to convict.

Everyone is grumbling about the corrupt police--the corrupt government--the only solution --REFORM FIRST--- BUT with a sound government to control then and only then give the caring to the army boys, I would trust an army road check more than a police one---just saying--my take on it.

Short term measure only till the police are sorted and scanned.

No intelligent person disputes that the results of the 2011 election reflected the will of the majority. They weren't perfect, but the results were legitimate. In addition, no intelligent person thinks that the Democrats can win a fair election at this time, and possible ever in the future. Suthep knows this, that's why he's calling for "reform" and being vague about the details and time required. "Reform" sounds much nicer than "disenfranchise" or "undemocratic autocracy".

when we get the shinawatras out of thailands business we can have a fair election.....one without bribery, corruption, threats murders and buying votes......it won't her perfect but it will be democratic enough............if only the red shirts could ditch thaksins dictatorship through stolen billions we could HAVE a fair election.........if they did that and Pheu Thai won i wouldn't complain..........but we need square heads nose out of the trough first!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you mean Thaksin's elected, and re-elected, and, through his proxies, elected and re-elected again "dictatorship"? Are you sure that's a dictatorship?

Past elections weren't perfect, and future elections will not be perfect, in Thailand or anywhere else. However unless there is evidence that election fraud was or will be on a scale to change results, elections should continue. Repeatedly stating there was fraud without evidence doesn't make fraud a reality.

Here is one source I have that gives me confidence that past elections were good enough and future elections, if the Suthep thugs and anti-Democrats allow them, will also be legitimate. From "The Economist", December 9, 2013 http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/12/thailand-s-protests

"Mr Suthep’s motley crew of acolytes and cheerleaders try to argue that somehow all of Mr Thaksin’s victories (in the various party guises) have been “bought” and that voters have been “bribed” by the promise of lavish public spending, to help poor rice farmers for instance. But there is almost no evidence that any of these elections were systematically bought or rigged in anyway. Indeed, the last election, certainly, was very well conducted by comparison with other recent elections in the South-East Asian region. Indeed, when pressed, one of Mr Suthep’s main advisers admitted to me that despite all the alleged vote-buying (which he produced no evidence for) the result was still “legitimate”. And the incontinent public spending programmes? In the West that’s called Keynesian economics."

If you have sources that provide credible evidence of fraud on a scale that affects results, please share them with us.

[Patrick Mills]

If we have a Civil War, will it be safe for the expats to continue living here?

[Tom420]

If we have a Civil War, will it be safe for the expats to continue living here?

Isn't that an obvious answer? The severity of it though would come down to where you live within the Kingdom, Bangkok probably being the worst place to live right now

[peterquixote]

We booked our flights back to Bangkok, my Isaan Wife and I,

We will go back up there to the village where the rice has not been paid for.

I will use my little left New Zealand currency to float my father in law

he has no money from Thaksin dog,

We work hard, we do the duty, dear God if you asked me before I married this Isaan woman,

you would have said no.Do not do it. T

he Soi dog Thaksin is alive till we dispense with him

[peterquixote]

Thai tanks ready to roll. Then what? Military government? Then what? A hand pick establishment lackey? Then what?

good exchange rates. That's about it

thanks for you wisdom marcusd idiot, good exchange rates will not alleviate this countryThailand suffering.

are you a fool marcusd yes .

My God we farang have to pay all along the northern path to make this country work again, are you stupid marcusd,

do you not see little fellow that this situation is desperate and sad.

[harada]

If we have a Civil War, will it be safe for the expats to continue living here?

Avoid the front line.

[city]

We booked our flights back to Bangkok, my Isaan Wife and I,

We will go back up there to the village where the rice has not been paid for.

I will use my little left New Zealand currency to float my father in law

he has no money from Thaksin dog,

We work hard, we do the duty, dear God if you asked me before I married this Isaan woman,

you would have said no.Do not do it. T

he Soi dog Thaksin is alive till we dispense with him

Thaiglish....agenda?

[issanaus]

If we have a Civil War, will it be safe for the expats to continue living here?

Avoid the front line.

That's the problem is there is a "civil war" where will the front line be - potentially:

The armed forces could split

the police could split

the country could split

families could split

even the "reds could split"

The front line could be anywhere and every where, changing all the time

[Rimmer]

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