Jatuporn proposes referendum for ending crisis

[wprime]

Seems like a good idea on the surface, but either the referendum doesn't end the crisis (they vote against), or it gives Suthep power (they vote for), neither seems acceptable.

How about they have a referendum on Abhisit's proposed reforms instead?

[jennywren]

Acting Senate Speaker Surachai offered to meet with UDD, but they didn't show.

WIsh you guys would wake up.

He is "Acting" Sen Speaker.

They are not in formal Session and have not been Royally Endorsed.

They are not elected by anyone (the ones helping Suthep here are mostly the appointed ones, most of the elected ones want no part of it and did not show"

They are working hard in collusion with the Amart to dissenfranchise more than half the country.

With all this, why would the UDD lend credibility to their INFORMAL gathering and plotting by showing up? We all know what they want and that they will stop at nothing, not even Civil War.

By siding with Suthep and being backed by the Army, they have lost any pretense of impartiality and should be sidelined. Remember the Senate used to be elected until the Coup plotters and the Coup Charter imposed on the country by the Junta (It was illegal to campain against it and the Junta would have stayed in place until it was forced through). With all this, there are some alleged intelects commenting on this with one liners such as this.

Support the PDRC by all means, it is your choice and we'll support Democracy which will prevail in the end as it always does.

[rubl]

Would there be a free and fair referendum...?

The referendum would be held the same as they have always been in Thailand. I presume it would be declared unfair should it not give PDRC/Democrats what they want. Of course they did not bother about things like free and fair referendums in 2007, but that's a moot point.

Wasn't it the military appointed government under PM Surayut which organised the referendum in 2007? The one about the constitution.

If you feel the need to blame someone, blame them.

[Old Man River]

Yet another delaying, hold onto power tactic from the think tank of the boss in the desert.

Wont happen Jatuporn, go and talk to the senate like they have been asking you to do.

He might well do if the senate that you are referring to was the whole senate, 150 members, not just the 60-80 (nobody has come up with a definitive number) that are meeting behind closed doors, in an unofficial meeting held by a deputy speaker who has not been given royal assent as Senate Speaker.

In the meantime, he, like most politically aware people in Thailand, would do well to take Surachais declaration of non partisanship with a huge pinch of salt.

He cannot be given Royal assent, because there is no legally represented Acting, Caretaker PM to present him. Hence, the political vacuum.

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People keep saying that, but bearing in mind the leaning of the CC, don't you think the dems or sutheps backers would have demanded a ruling from the CC by now on the alleged illegality of a deputy PM taking over the PM position if the the previous incumbent can no longer carry out his or her duties?

.....................................Precisely

No I don't. It is a Catch 22.

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[rubl]

Acting Senate Speaker Surachai offered to meet with UDD, but they didn't show.

WIsh you guys would wake up.

He is "Acting" Sen Speaker.

They are not in formal Session and have not been Royally Endorsed.

They are not elected by anyone (the ones helping Suthep here are mostly the appointed ones, most of the elected ones want no part of it and did not show"

They are working hard in collusion with the Amart to dissenfranchise more than half the country.

With all this, why would the UDD lend credibility to their INFORMAL gathering and plotting by showing up? We all know what they want and that they will stop at nothing, not even Civil War.

By siding with Suthep and being backed by the Army, they have lost any pretense of impartiality and should be sidelined. Remember the Senate used to be elected until the Coup plotters and the Coup Charter imposed on the country by the Junta (It was illegal to campain against it and the Junta would have stayed in place until it was forced through). With all this, there are some alleged intelects commenting on this with one liners such as this.

Support the PDRC by all means, it is your choice and we'll support Democracy which will prevail in the end as it always does.

An acting Senate Speaker is looking for input and discussions to come to a possible solution. Obviously that means he's in collusion with the others. Obviously that's why Pheu Thai and UDD don't want to talk. Obviously.

and then some more accusations without a single shred of evidence, assumptions, not bothering with accuracy or truth.

The "we'll support democracy" sounds nice, but who are those "we", apart from which democracy? The CAPO version, the Pheu THai version, the not-existing-in Thailand version?

[Piichai]

Acting Senate Speaker Surachai offered to meet with UDD, but they didn't show.

WIsh you guys would wake up.

He is "Acting" Sen Speaker.

They are not in formal Session and have not been Royally Endorsed.

They are not elected by anyone (the ones helping Suthep here are mostly the appointed ones, most of the elected ones want no part of it and did not show"

They are working hard in collusion with the Amart to dissenfranchise more than half the country.

With all this, why would the UDD lend credibility to their INFORMAL gathering and plotting by showing up? We all know what they want and that they will stop at nothing, not even Civil War.

By siding with Suthep and being backed by the Army, they have lost any pretense of impartiality and should be sidelined. Remember the Senate used to be elected until the Coup plotters and the Coup Charter imposed on the country by the Junta (It was illegal to campain against it and the Junta would have stayed in place until it was forced through). With all this, there are some alleged intelects commenting on this with one liners such as this.

Support the PDRC by all means, it is your choice and we'll support Democracy which will prevail in the end as it always does.

Thus far, the Senate has not sided with Suthep, but rather Suthep has sided with the Senate, which is rather different indeed.

It's very easy to hide behind the word 'democracy' but it's considerably more difficult to create a democratic landscape.

[casualbiker]

Acting Senate Speaker Surachai offered to meet with UDD, but they didn't show.

WIsh you guys would wake up.

He is "Acting" Sen Speaker.

They are not in formal Session and have not been Royally Endorsed.

They are not elected by anyone (the ones helping Suthep here are mostly the appointed ones, most of the elected ones want no part of it and did not show"

They are working hard in collusion with the Amart to dissenfranchise more than half the country.

With all this, why would the UDD lend credibility to their INFORMAL gathering and plotting by showing up? We all know what they want and that they will stop at nothing, not even Civil War.

By siding with Suthep and being backed by the Army, they have lost any pretense of impartiality and should be sidelined. Remember the Senate used to be elected until the Coup plotters and the Coup Charter imposed on the country by the Junta (It was illegal to campain against it and the Junta would have stayed in place until it was forced through). With all this, there are some alleged intelects commenting on this with one liners such as this.

Support the PDRC by all means, it is your choice and we'll support Democracy which will prevail in the end as it always does.

So just like the 'caretaker Deputy PM possibly acting PM for the ousted PM'.

And not forgetting the acting up CAPO boss Chalerm. Both of which the UDD have been told to lend credibility to... so rich, it's funny!

(PS : the top one is the reason that the Senate have not been endorsed)

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Edited May 16, 2014 by casualbiker

[The stuttering parrot]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

[rubl]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Reforms first.

[toybits]

Please explain why?

Very Interesting. Take That! Mr. Suthep...

I'm betting jatuporn is praying he doesn't.

[smutcakes]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Reforms first.

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

[casualbiker]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Which people?

The 14million that voted PTP or the 16 million that voted for another party in the 2011 election.

And if we were to presume that EVERYONE voted for PTP in the aborted 2014 election that would be about the same at 14 million valid votes... but everyone voted PTP... probably not because after all there were over 50 parties contesting .. NO?

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[casualbiker]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Reforms first.

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

Including PTP and their reform council idea.. maybe IF they ACTUALLY started talking then ideas would be forthcoming!

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[northernjohn]

Acting Senate Speaker Surachai offered to meet with UDD, but they didn't show.

They should have offered to meet with them in an area where Skype would work. There is no way in hell Thaksin is going to let that clown he was forced to resurrect talk to any one about some thing as important as this.

It would be like a no holds barred debate between Yingluck and Abhist.

[Piichai]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

1. Framework

2. Reforms

3. Referendum

4. Elections

[stickyrice2000]

A referendum is a fair solution since both sides claimed representing the "PEOPLE". Let's hear the real voice of the nation.

[northernjohn]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Reforms first.

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

I would be happy to see election reforms with real teeth in them.

The problem is that it would take real policemen to enforce them. Maybe the Army. Seems to me Jatuporn or Chalerm said the army officers could make arrests. But coming from those two I am sure they meant only when it was really their job to do it. Let another party in and they will say the army can't.

[Robby nz]

Yet another delaying, hold onto power tactic from the think tank of the boss in the desert.

Wont happen Jatuporn, go and talk to the senate like they have been asking you to do.

He might well do if the senate that you are referring to was the whole senate, 150 members, not just the 60-80 (nobody has come up with a definitive number) that are meeting behind closed doors, in an unofficial meeting held by a deputy speaker who has not been given royal assent as Senate Speaker.

In the meantime, he, like most politically aware people in Thailand, would do well to take Surachais declaration of non partisanship with a huge pinch of salt.

You don't seem to be very well up with this democracy business do you.

The senate voted by a majority for him as speaker, you no a majority, that is most of them and in a democracy a majority decision is respected even by those who voted the other way.

A majority like you and your few red mates have been ranting on that PT had a majority so could do what they liked.

The reason he has not been endorsed by the king is that there is no government that can sign a royal decree, there are only 26 caretaker cabinet ministers who have very little authority to do anything.

They are led, if that's the correct term for someone who has run away from his responsibilities to meet with the senate to sort out the nations problems, by someone who may or may not be in the position legally, as it is written that only parliament can appoint a PM, the CC will eventually decide on that.

The politically aware people in this country are backing those who are trying to find a solution to the countries troubles, however those you support, the reds and the sad remainder of PT, have done nothing but attempt derail and put roadblocks in the way of progress in that direction.

That Jutaporn has now come out and suggested a referendum without specifying on what can be seen as just another delaying tactic.

[Civil War]

There is no problem with this, but it would obviously be rejected by the Dems/PDRC as they would never get what they want from and election/referendum etc which they well know, which is why the last thing any of them want is a bloody election, the pesky things.

I wouldn't be too confident in that my dear man.

A massive majority of the country want to see an end to all the BS and don't care for keeping the Shin clan in power, and they are sick of this dysfunctional government.

I would say that a very large % will jump at Suthep's proposal.

You seem to have deluded yourself that the vast majority are against reforms and all for corruption and nepotism.

However, a referendum is just a guise for a corrupt snap election style setup that will be conducted across the north and northeast under the exact same fraudulent and undemocratic conditions that your average election is.... so you may well be right and could be rejected.

[smutcakes]

There is no problem with this, but it would obviously be rejected by the Dems/PDRC as they would never get what they want from and election/referendum etc which they well know, which is why the last thing any of them want is a bloody election, the pesky things.

I wouldn't be too confident in that my dear man.

A massive majority of the country want to see an end to all the BS and don't care for keeping the Shin clan in power, and they are sick of this dysfunctional government.

I would say that a very large % will jump at Suthep's proposal.

You seem to have deluded yourself that the vast majority are against reforms and all for corruption and nepotism.

However, a referendum is just a guise for a corrupt snap election style setup that will be conducted across the north and northeast under the exact same fraudulent and undemocratic conditions that your average election is.... so you may well be right and could be rejected.

I agree many are for reforms, they are very much needed. Why doesn't the Democrat party run a reform agenda then? Or a Suthep part run a reform agenda?

At least why dont they set out what their reforms are?

You are seriously trying to suggest that if the Democrats thought they would win an election that they would not be running? because they are to concerned about reform?

[Mackie]

Whatever Jatuporn says, suggests, proposes etc...etc... should be simply dismissed as nonsense. Bottom line. The guy is a terrorist on bail. Only mentally challenged people could actually take him seriously. In normal countries, terrorists are behind the bars. Or simply droned.

Edited May 16, 2014 by Mackie

[coma]

Finally something worth looking at.

[Robby nz]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Reforms first.

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

Another one who dosent keep up.

Abhisit put forward his reform outlines that you say don't exist and they were widely publicized even being on this site.

Suthep has been holding reform meetings with groups of experts in different fields who have gone away to put together reform plans for each sector.

And wasn't it you who told me that PT had put together referendum plans then when I asked you to post them you disappeared ?

If not you it was one of your red mates so try asking them, not many of them so should be an easy job.

[Piichai]

There is no problem with this, but it would obviously be rejected by the Dems/PDRC as they would never get what they want from and election/referendum etc which they well know, which is why the last thing any of them want is a bloody election, the pesky things.

I wouldn't be too confident in that my dear man.

A massive majority of the country want to see an end to all the BS and don't care for keeping the Shin clan in power, and they are sick of this dysfunctional government.

I would say that a very large % will jump at Suthep's proposal.

You seem to have deluded yourself that the vast majority are against reforms and all for corruption and nepotism.

However, a referendum is just a guise for a corrupt snap election style setup that will be conducted across the north and northeast under the exact same fraudulent and undemocratic conditions that your average election is.... so you may well be right and could be rejected.

I agree many are for reforms, they are very much needed. Why doesn't the Democrat party run a reform agenda then? Or a Suthep part run a reform agenda?

At least why dont they set out what their reforms are?

You are seriously trying to suggest that if the Democrats thought they would win an election that they would not be running? because they are to concerned about reform?

Had PTP not raped the country with the rice debacle, you might have a point. But we're well beyond that now.

[Piichai]

There is no problem with this, but it would obviously be rejected by the Dems/PDRC as they would never get what they want from and election/referendum etc which they well know, which is why the last thing any of them want is a bloody election, the pesky things.

I wouldn't be too confident in that my dear man.

A massive majority of the country want to see an end to all the BS and don't care for keeping the Shin clan in power, and they are sick of this dysfunctional government.

I would say that a very large % will jump at Suthep's proposal.

You seem to have deluded yourself that the vast majority are against reforms and all for corruption and nepotism.

However, a referendum is just a guise for a corrupt snap election style setup that will be conducted across the north and northeast under the exact same fraudulent and undemocratic conditions that your average election is.... so you may well be right and could be rejected.

I agree many are for reforms, they are very much needed. Why doesn't the Democrat party run a reform agenda then? Or a Suthep part run a reform agenda?

At least why dont they set out what their reforms are?

You are seriously trying to suggest that if the Democrats thought they would win an election that they would not be running? because they are to concerned about reform?

Had PTP not raped the country with the rice debacle, you might have a point. But we're well beyond that now.

[smutcakes]

The yellows will never go for this because the last thing they want is for the people to have a say!

Nice move calling him out but sutep wants no voice just his!

Reforms first.

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

Another one who dosent keep up.

Abhisit put forward his reform outlines that you say don't exist and they were widely publicized even being on this site.

Suthep has been holding reform meetings with groups of experts in different fields who have gone away to put together reform plans for each sector.

And wasn't it you who told me that PT had put together referendum plans then when I asked you to post them you disappeared ?

If not you it was one of your red mates so try asking them, not many of them so should be an easy job.

So Abhisit's couple of points which anyone could of done, constitutes a 'plan' for reform of an entire country!!! hahah Well i for one would like a little bit more detail of the reforms. If you are happy to just being told that they plan to reform this, and that's it, well that's up to you. Personally i would prefer a little more information. Seems like the PDRC supporters you just mindlessly follow rather than challenging things, you just believe what your told.

Why does Suthep not enlighten us about his reform plans? I may have missed it, but i have not seen any news about 'experts' going away to put together reform plans after meeting Suthep. Who are these experts on reforming the election? reforming the police? reforming the army? Its a complete nonsense.

No it was not me.

[GeorgeO]

The PDRC who you say would reject it without their ever being asked about a referendum. Or did you mean the Dem's. I am not sure as you,didn't separate them.

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The Dems and PDRC are the same, there is no difference.

I dont think its much of a stretch to assume that they dont want a referendum, considering the political party of the protesters have boycotted the last one and threaten to boycott the next, and their militant arm the PDRC have been campaigning on an anti election platform, so i dont think i am stretching it to far saying it would be rejected.

I'm sorry, but for you to refer to the PDRC as the "militant" arm of the Democrats is a slap in the face to the majority of the peaceful protesters who have come out to demand change, in particular, those who have died at the hands of Red Shirt militants, including young children...!!

[GeorgeO]

Yay reform reforms reforms. And yet still no one has outlined what reforms. JUST GOD DAMN REFORMS

Another one who dosent keep up.

Abhisit put forward his reform outlines that you say don't exist and they were widely publicized even being on this site.

Suthep has been holding reform meetings with groups of experts in different fields who have gone away to put together reform plans for each sector.

And wasn't it you who told me that PT had put together referendum plans then when I asked you to post them you disappeared ?

If not you it was one of your red mates so try asking them, not many of them so should be an easy job.

So Abhisit's couple of points which anyone could of done, constitutes a 'plan' for reform of an entire country!!! hahah Well i for one would like a little bit more detail of the reforms. If you are happy to just being told that they plan to reform this, and that's it, well that's up to you. Personally i would prefer a little more information. Seems like the PDRC supporters you just mindlessly follow rather than challenging things, you just believe what your told.

Why does Suthep not enlighten us about his reform plans? I may have missed it, but i have not seen any news about 'experts' going away to put together reform plans after meeting Suthep. Who are these experts on reforming the election? reforming the police? reforming the army? Its a complete nonsense.

No it was not me.

...that's "could have", not "could of"...!

[city]

Yet another delaying, hold onto power tactic from the think tank of the boss in the desert.

Wont happen Jatuporn, go and talk to the senate like they have been asking you to do.

It reads to me very much like an offer of compromise, somrthing sadly lacking from the PDRC.

When will people like yourself realise this cant be a winner takes all scenario. Compromise is the only way.

Guess you missed the story today about Suthep aligning with the Senate.

The Senate is occupied by hand picked ex generals... Prayuth for PM..if it looks like a coup, behaves like a coup and has the stench of a coup..Its a coup

[casualbiker]

The PDRC who you say would reject it without their ever being asked about a referendum. Or did you mean the Dem's. I am not sure as you,didn't separate them.

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The Dems and PDRC are the same, there is no difference.

I dont think its much of a stretch to assume that they dont want a referendum, considering the political party of the protesters have boycotted the last one and threaten to boycott the next, and their militant arm the PDRC have been campaigning on an anti election platform, so i dont think i am stretching it to far saying it would be rejected.

I'm sorry, but for you to refer to the PDRC as the "militant" arm of the Democrats is a slap in the face to the majority of the peaceful protesters who have come out to demand change, in particular, those who have died at the hands of Red Shirt militants, including young children...!!

George .. maybe call them UDD and reactionary splinter groups (ko tee etc)

I think now there are many RED shirts that are distancing them selves from the bought and paid for southern / bangkok leaders of the UDD!

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