Jatuporn proposes referendum for ending crisis

[casualbiker]

Really! The Democrats actively canvas for votes in Issan villages?

And you do not believe that village heads do at times control the villagers!

Red shirt villages spring to mind as an obvious one!

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Your just repeating the same pish you heard others say, its boring and simply lies.

Having seen from afar a Thai polling both and watched my Mrs go in, im 100% confident there is no way anyone can interfere with her voting choice. This is also the view of independent observers from a variety of countries but apparently we should ignore all that because some right wing sex pats here declare differently.

The idea the village head "controls" anyone really does reek of someone who hasnt spent alot of time in any of these villages. My Mrs village head blasts red shirt stuff from speakers daily yet she voted in BhumjaiThai. (and clearly many of her neighbours as they won in Buriram and not PTP) They dont even talk to the guy, letalone follow orders from him.

Absolutely everyone knows in a free election the Dems will loose time and time again. Rather than call foul play they need to address why this is.

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

If PDRC performers cannot go into Red areas what hope for Democrats canvassing?

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[ShannonT]

Really! The Democrats actively canvas for votes in Issan villages?

And you do not believe that village heads do at times control the villagers!

Red shirt villages spring to mind as an obvious one!

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Your just repeating the same pish you heard others say, its boring and simply lies.

Having seen from afar a Thai polling both and watched my Mrs go in, im 100% confident there is no way anyone can interfere with her voting choice. This is also the view of independent observers from a variety of countries but apparently we should ignore all that because some right wing sex pats here declare differently.

The idea the village head "controls" anyone really does reek of someone who hasnt spent alot of time in any of these villages. My Mrs village head blasts red shirt stuff from speakers daily yet she voted in BhumjaiThai. (and clearly many of her neighbours as they won in Buriram and not PTP) They dont even talk to the guy, letalone follow orders from him.

Absolutely everyone knows in a free election the Dems will loose time and time again. Rather than call foul play they need to address why this is.

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

If PDRC performers cannot go into Red areas what hope for Democrats canvassing?

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Newin / Bhumjaithai won in Buriram because that is his hometown. And even there he had to buy votes, which in turn caused the entire Bhumjaithai to be disqualified from elections and Newin banned from politics for 5 years. He cannot even win elections in his own hometown without buying votes and he is the biggest ally of the Democrats. Without Bhumjaithai the Democrats would have never gotten the majority in parliament. Edited May 18, 2014 by ShannonT

[casualbiker]

Really! The Democrats actively canvas for votes in Issan villages?

And you do not believe that village heads do at times control the villagers!

Red shirt villages spring to mind as an obvious one!

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Your just repeating the same pish you heard others say, its boring and simply lies.

Having seen from afar a Thai polling both and watched my Mrs go in, im 100% confident there is no way anyone can interfere with her voting choice. This is also the view of independent observers from a variety of countries but apparently we should ignore all that because some right wing sex pats here declare differently.

The idea the village head "controls" anyone really does reek of someone who hasnt spent alot of time in any of these villages. My Mrs village head blasts red shirt stuff from speakers daily yet she voted in BhumjaiThai. (and clearly many of her neighbours as they won in Buriram and not PTP) They dont even talk to the guy, letalone follow orders from him.

Absolutely everyone knows in a free election the Dems will loose time and time again. Rather than call foul play they need to address why this is.

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

If PDRC performers cannot go into Red areas what hope for Democrats canvassing?

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Newin / Bhumjaithai won in Buriram because that is his hometown. And even there he had to buy votes, which in turn caused the entire Bhumjaithai to be disqualified from elections and Newin banned from politics for 5 years. He cannot even win elections in his own hometown without buying votes and he is the biggest ally of the Democrats. Without Bhumjaithai the Democrats would have never gotten the majority in parliament.

And he was Thaksin's ally before that.. as Fab would say "your point is "

Without them would Thaksin have been able to form the coalition!

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Edited May 18, 2014 by casualbiker

[tullynagardy]

If PDRC performers cannot go into Red areas what hope for Democrats canvassing?

If supporters of elections (who happen to be one of the most successful Thai acts ever) cant play in yellow areas what hope have PTP canvassing?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/most-recent/388103/phuket-show-cancelled-over-artist-support-for-election

Works both ways....

Edited May 18, 2014 by tullynagardy

[gabruce]

Yet another delaying, hold onto power tactic from the think tank of the boss in the desert.

Wont happen Jatuporn, go and talk to the senate like they have been asking you to do.

He might well do if the senate that you are referring to was the whole senate, 150 members, not just the 60-80 (nobody has come up with a definitive number) that are meeting behind closed doors, in an unofficial meeting held by a deputy speaker who has not been given royal assent as Senate Speaker.

In the meantime, he, like most politically aware people in Thailand, would do well to take Surachais declaration of non partisanship with a huge pinch of salt.

Perhaps true, however isn't also true that all 150 members should be at the meetings. Some are probably lazy, maybe some are intimidated by the threats, and some seem to be under orders to NOT participate and so boycott/don't attend.

It's an unofficial meeting held by a deputy speaker who has not been given royal assent as Senate Speaker. Why would Senators who do not agree with surachais promises of illegally appointing an interim PM give support to him by attending his unofficial meetings? (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/726768-step-down-for-sake-of-the-country-senators-urge-govt/#entry7835007)

Yes. It's much better to hear second hand from the media rather than be there in person. I still maintain that concientious senators that would think and vote for themselves and their country would be there to participate and hear first hand what is going on. You might also note that at some point he undoubtedly will be given royal assent as Senate Speaker, so participating in open meetings of the Senate, whether official or informal would seem to be the smart thing to do. Disagree with conclusions, arguments, actions. Then say so publicly.

[tullynagardy]

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

The history of Bhumjaithai etc is irrelevant and not the point of the post. (as you well know.) My post is pointing out the fact that everyone is free to vote as they choose and your tired nonsense suggesting otherwise is outdated and discredited.

Are you suggesting the Dems could actually win in these areas? They could never, much the same way the Tories in the UK could never win in some grim Northern town.

The best the Dems can hope for is a dectralisation of power to the regions, this is the only reform that is possible and likely.

[whybother]

A referendum would be good, except they could never agree on what the question would be.

[casualbiker]

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

The history of Bhumjaithai etc is irrelevant and not the point of the post. (as you well know.) My post is pointing out the fact that everyone is free to vote as they choose and your tired nonsense suggesting otherwise is outdated and discredited.

Are you suggesting the Dems could actually win in these areas? They could never, much the same way the Tories in the UK could never win in some grim Northern town.

The best the Dems can hope for is a dectralisation of power to the regions, this is the only reform that is possible and likely.

It's not just about winning. It's about competing. Campaigning and eroding power .. just look at the 2011 results from some of the PTP strong holds.. the Democrats didn't win BUT they got more votes than previous years..

You still haven't mentioned red shirt villages .. are they free to vote how they please.. don't forget it IS people from the area that man poll booths and count the votes.

There is a certain level of fear amongst people about voting correctly .. that may or may not be real but it is there!

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[tullynagardy]

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

The history of Bhumjaithai etc is irrelevant and not the point of the post. (as you well know.) My post is pointing out the fact that everyone is free to vote as they choose and your tired nonsense suggesting otherwise is outdated and discredited.

Are you suggesting the Dems could actually win in these areas? They could never, much the same way the Tories in the UK could never win in some grim Northern town.

The best the Dems can hope for is a dectralisation of power to the regions, this is the only reform that is possible and likely.

It's not just about winning. It's about competing. Campaigning and eroding power .. just look at the 2011 results from some of the PTP strong holds.. the Democrats didn't win BUT they got more votes than previous years..

You still haven't mentioned red shirt villages .. are they free to vote how they please.. don't forget it IS people from the area that man poll booths and count the votes.

There is a certain level of fear amongst people about voting correctly .. that may or may not be real but it is there!

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My knowledge is localised but if people like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoon_Sai-ngam are free to campaign (and win) in red heartlands there is little to suggest the Dems couldn`t and dont already also.

You continually only mention one side in all of this yet it is clear its both ways (as my Sek Loso example showed also). Do you really think the reds would be free to campaign in Sutheps territory? Or is it a case theyd never win?

[casualbiker]

Of course Bhumjaithai won in Buriram it's Newin's province .. just the same as Chart thai won in Suphanburi that's Barnharns province .. doesn't prove a thing.

also your reading skills are lacking as I stated "at times"

There are some reds who are NOT linked to UDD which is good.. the sooner they are out of that yoke the better.. as for RED UDD villages which I notice you mentioned not.. do you think people vote as they want? I would hope so but by the name I would be unsure. No?

The history of Bhumjaithai etc is irrelevant and not the point of the post. (as you well know.) My post is pointing out the fact that everyone is free to vote as they choose and your tired nonsense suggesting otherwise is outdated and discredited.

Are you suggesting the Dems could actually win in these areas? They could never, much the same way the Tories in the UK could never win in some grim Northern town.

The best the Dems can hope for is a dectralisation of power to the regions, this is the only reform that is possible and likely.

It's not just about winning. It's about competing. Campaigning and eroding power .. just look at the 2011 results from some of the PTP strong holds.. the Democrats didn't win BUT they got more votes than previous years..

You still haven't mentioned red shirt villages .. are they free to vote how they please.. don't forget it IS people from the area that man poll booths and count the votes.

There is a certain level of fear amongst people about voting correctly .. that may or may not be real but it is there!

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My knowledge is localised but if people like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoon_Sai-ngam are free to campaign (and win) in red heartlands there is little to suggest the Dems couldn`t and dont already also.

You continually only mention one side in all of this yet it is clear its both ways (as my Sek Loso example showed also). Do you really think the reds would be free to campaign in Sutheps territory? Or is it a case theyd never win?

PTP do and did campaign in the south. I have no idea about Karoon but from your wiki he has not been in politics since the 90's.

Sek was mainly run out because of his drug issues and the fact that he swore at people on Facebook .. (Sek Loso is one of my favorite Thai singers)

There needs to be reform in politics in Thailand. All parties need to be assured of being able to campaign. That's valid ..right?

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Edited May 18, 2014 by casualbiker