Fuji MF Digital

[fimgirl]

I hope so. Stuff of dreams. A digital Medium Format Rangefinder !

http://www.fujirumors.com/digital-medium-format-camera-fujifilm-coming-end-summer-new-anonymous-source/

[MJP]

I think MF is coming to the masses. Let's leave it a year before jumping in, see what happens.

[tw25rw]

I can't see the point for ordinary consumers. In fact, for most people who have them, I don't see the pojnt in DSLRs..

[MJP]

I can't see the point for ordinary consumers. In fact, for most people who have them, I don't see the pojnt in DSLRs..

The masses being me and Rabbit.

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[Tywais]

Here is what digital medium format cameras can do. But a Phase One runs over $50k USD so not prime time for the masses. Will be interesting to see the pricing for the Fuji.

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/

[MJP]

Here is what digital medium format cameras can do. But a Phase One runs over $50k USD so not prime time for the masses. Will be interesting to see the pricing for the Fuji.

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/why-i-moved-to-medium-format-phase-one-iq140-review/

New Pentax 645z 51mp is $8500.

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[fimgirl]

From a very knowledgeable member of another forum when someone queried Fuji's ability to produce such a camera and equip it lens wise

"Fuji has manufactured glass for all formats for decades - their repro and technical lenses, and their large format range, were legendary. I shot with the GX680 system for a couple of years. They already actually make all the glass for the Hasselblad system as it now stands, and the cameras themselves are made by Fuji, with the digital parts provided from Sweden/Denmark. A current Hasselblad actually is a Fuji.

The suggestion was that the Fuji X-mount is able to handle full frame, and I can confirm that is so "

Interesting.

[sunshine51]

From a very knowledgeable member of another forum when someone queried Fuji's ability to produce such a camera and equip it lens wise

"Fuji has manufactured glass for all formats for decades - their repro and technical lenses, and their large format range, were legendary. I shot with the GX680 system for a couple of years. They already actually make all the glass for the Hasselblad system as it now stands, and the cameras themselves are made by Fuji, with the digital parts provided from Sweden/Denmark. A current Hasselblad actually is a Fuji.

The suggestion was that the Fuji X-mount is able to handle full frame, and I can confirm that is so "

Interesting.

Fimgirl...

I reckon this very knowledgable member of another forum is being a bit selfish

with the truth....read the following wiki link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasselblad

Yes Fuji has involvment with Hasselblad but not as much as one may think...

Wiki quote..."The H-System is largely designed and manufactured by Hasselblad,

with Fuji's involvement being limited to finalizing Hasselblad's lens designs and

producing the glass for the lenses and viewfinders. Fuji was allowed under the

agreement to sell the H1 under their name in Japan only."

This doesn't mean all Hassies are just hi-priced Fuji's though.

Hasselblad has also marketed the Lunar & Stellar cameras which

are nothing more than rebranded Sony's with some add-ons and

of course...high prices.

Hasselblads X-Pan was a Fuji though. However as a one time Hassie

owner (500C-500ELM-H4D-50) I do not nor will I ever consider the

Lunar, Stellar or X-Pan cameras...a Hasselblad...period.

[sunshine51]

Now then....after I got the Fuji-Hasselblad thing off me chest I'd just

like to say that Fuji do make a really good camera and they make

great lenses. Many folks I know in the TV biz use Fuji lenses and

swear by them (at them at times too), nevertheless Fuji produce

a fine product whether it be glass or body.

If Fuji does come out with this new digital MF format randefinder

and Fuji manages to keep the size to a respectable level then they

may have a coup d'etat in the camera world going in their favour.

I'm all for it...as long as whatever they name their new MF camera

is must be of a size smaller than this "thing"...

PS...I originally decided to hack out some wurds regarding MF

vs the rest of the world and post it here but decided against it.

If anybody wants to read the short piece PM me & I'll send

it to you in a text file. Cheers.....

[fimgirl]

See attached link - Fuji do indeed design and manufacture the current lens range for Hasselblad. This seemingly has been since the H series was launched.

Anyway, lets see what develops with the Fuji MF. Hopefully it will not be Hasselblad/Phase One pricing!

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/hasselblad-h1.shtml

[sunshine51]

^^^ Fimgirl...Having had a look at the Luminouslandscape site it seems

that this mainly deals with the old H-1 series Hassies. So I decided to

have a dig on the web and have discovered that yes Fuji do make the

lenses for Hassie although it appears to be some disagreement whether

Hassie still does the lens design work and floggs the manufacturing off

to Fuji or if Fuji does it all. Whichever way...Fuji make good stuff...one

doesn't receive Emmy Awards for shoddy inovation do they?!

The Fuji MF interests me and I completely agree with you on what I hope

the price will not be like!

[Tywais]

An article in pdf format titled 'The evolution of Lenses' referring to Hasselblad.

[sunshine51]

^^^ This pdf is a great read...even for the not so technically inclined!

Also Google "Photonics Spectra"...it's an industry magazine that's

all about light...in many forms. Free subs to the digital edition but

very pricy for the print version. Around 7 years ago in an article

I learned about hand-phone cameras and why they are so good

today. Back then it was still massive R & D...now it's the soup of

the day....in 7 short years.

[Gene1960]

Very interesting news / rumour on a MF Fuji and I find the discussion on the MFD photography here very unexpected.

I have been using Fuji MF rangefinders for about twenty years and I still use the 645zi point-n-shoot regularly. My old Texas Leica sits in my cabinet, waiting for some attention.

I am excited, I want a lightweight MFD camera, but doubt that Fuji will be able to offer something affordable.

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[fimgirl]

Very interesting news / rumour on a MF Fuji and I find the discussion on the MFD photography here very unexpected.

I have been using Fuji MF rangefinders for about twenty years and I still use the 645zi point-n-shoot regularly. My old Texas Leica sits in my cabinet, waiting for some attention.

I am excited, I want a lightweight MFD camera, but doubt that Fuji will be able to offer something affordable.

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My guess is that they'll come in about the same price as the Pentax Z645. Certainly way cheaper than Phase One, Leica and Hasselblad.

My concern with both the above cameras is whether they are REALLY medium format. There's a lot more to a medium format image than mere size. Tonality, DR and resolution. No doubt 50mp will take care of resolution but the other aspects ........... ?

The rangefinder focusing, with that big and bright viewfinder, is the real appeal to me. Like you, I also used a 645zi some 20 years back. Nigh on a pocketable medium format camera - amazing.

[MJP]

Very interesting news / rumour on a MF Fuji and I find the discussion on the MFD photography here very unexpected.

I have been using Fuji MF rangefinders for about twenty years and I still use the 645zi point-n-shoot regularly. My old Texas Leica sits in my cabinet, waiting for some attention.

I am excited, I want a lightweight MFD camera, but doubt that Fuji will be able to offer something affordable.

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My guess is that they'll come in about the same price as the Pentax Z645. Certainly way cheaper than Phase One, Leica and Hasselblad.

My concern with both the above cameras is whether they are REALLY medium format. There's a lot more to a medium format image than mere size. Tonality, DR and resolution. No doubt 50mp will take care of resolution but the other aspects ........... ?

The rangefinder focusing, with that big and bright viewfinder, is the real appeal to me. Like you, I also used a 645zi some 20 years back. Nigh on a pocketable medium format camera - amazing.

Some are questioning whether the 645z will give that medium format look with only 14 bit files. Phase and Hasselblad give 16 bit files.

Let's wait and see.

[fimgirl]

What is interesting about the Pentax and Fuji MF entry is perhaps that it may shake up the other manufacturers. Currently all is based around the 645 format which in the film days was considered the lower end of the medium format world. It would sure be nice to see a 6x6 MFDB, allowing the accurate FL rendition of the legacy lenses.

[MJP]

What is interesting about the Pentax and Fuji MF entry is perhaps that it may shake up the other manufacturers. Currently all is based around the 645 format which in the film days was considered the lower end of the medium format world. It would sure be nice to see a 6x6 MFDB, allowing the accurate FL rendition of the legacy lenses.

This Sony 51mp MF sensor is the crop format of medium format. 1.7x the area of 35mm equivalent at crop factor 0.82.

6x6 it ain't.

[Gene1960]

Very interesting news / rumour on a MF Fuji...

....

My concern with both the above cameras is whether they are REALLY medium format. There's a lot more to a medium format image than mere size. Tonality, DR and resolution. No doubt 50mp will take care of resolution but the other aspects ........... ?

The rangefinder focusing, with that big and bright viewfinder, is the real appeal to me. Like you, I also used a 645zi some 20 years back. Nigh on a pocketable medium format camera - amazing.

I agree that there is more about MF than the number of pixels. I used to get access to a Rolleiflex 6008 AF DB20 - a square format 16 mpx Phase One back. The files looked beautiful with the Rollei optics. The look of MF lenses is exceptional.

I talked to a much more knowledgeable friend and he said that only Leica can make optical rangerfinders nowadays. He believes that Fuji will be going to use the same electronic finder as on the other modern cameras. Anyway, I hope to get a high resolution lightweight camera eventually. I will be happy with a lens or two. I can always crop and stitch.

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[MJP]

Very interesting news / rumour on a MF Fuji...

....

My concern with both the above cameras is whether they are REALLY medium format. There's a lot more to a medium format image than mere size. Tonality, DR and resolution. No doubt 50mp will take care of resolution but the other aspects ........... ?

The rangefinder focusing, with that big and bright viewfinder, is the real appeal to me. Like you, I also used a 645zi some 20 years back. Nigh on a pocketable medium format camera - amazing.

I agree that there is more about MF than the number of pixels. I used to get access to a Rolleiflex 6008 AF DB20 - a square format 16 mpx Phase One back. The files looked beautiful with the Rollei optics. The look of MF lenses is exceptional.

I talked to a much more knowledgeable friend and he said that only Leica can make optical rangerfinders nowadays. He believes that Fuji will be going to use the same electronic finder as on the other modern cameras. Anyway, I hope to get a high resolution lightweight camera eventually. I will be happy with a lens or two. I can always crop and stitch.

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Gene, I think this is what it's about. A lightweight high resolution camera. I'm very hesitant about the 645z, not just because of the price, but I just know it will be too unwieldy and I'll avoid taking the thing out. Best camera being the one you have with you and all that.

If the Sigma DP Quattro's right up there with the best of them, that might be worth a look, because last time I hauled all the gear through Swampy* was probably the last time I'll haul all the gear through Swampy.

*Swampy being Bangkok Airport.

[Gene1960]

Very interesting news / rumour on a MF Fuji...

....

My concern with both the above cameras is whether they are REALLY medium format. There's a lot more to a medium format image than mere size. Tonality, DR and resolution. No doubt 50mp will take care of resolution but the other aspects ........... ?

The rangefinder focusing, with that big and bright viewfinder, is the real appeal to me. Like you, I also used a 645zi some 20 years back. Nigh on a pocketable medium format camera - amazing.

I agree that there is more about MF than the number of pixels. I used to get access to a Rolleiflex 6008 AF DB20 - a square format 16 mpx Phase One back. The files looked beautiful with the Rollei optics. The look of MF lenses is exceptional.

I talked to a much more knowledgeable friend and he said that only Leica can make optical rangerfinders nowadays. He believes that Fuji will be going to use the same electronic finder as on the other modern cameras. Anyway, I hope to get a high resolution lightweight camera eventually. I will be happy with a lens or two. I can always crop and stitch.

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Gene, I think this is what it's about. A lightweight high resolution camera. ....

If the Sigma DP Quattro's right up there with the best of them, that might be worth a look, because last time I hauled all the gear through Swampy* was probably the last time I'll haul all the gear through Swampy.

*Swampy being Bangkok Airport.

Thank you for the info on the Sigma DP Quattro. You made me google and read for the best part of this Sunday. The Quattro looks interesting and I found a comment comparing the Quattro and Pentax 645z:

"When it comes to sheer image quality and sharpness, the Quattro looked equal to this 51-MP medium-format camera."

- See more at: http://sigma-rumors.com/#sthash.fTRqnEIm.dpuf

Anyway, the Photokina 2014 is not too far away and it can bring us many goodies and I will be waiting till the end of this year to buy me something. Maybe, a Fuji MFD.

I have tried the Sony RX-1 and did not like the ergonomic and interface. It is a brilliant camera, plenty of resolution, fast lens for DOF control, but It's too small for my big hands.

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[MJP]

^^ Gene, it should come in at under 1000 Euros, so even if you had the DP1, 2 and 3 to make up three focal lengths I think this is a better option than a big thing and lots of expensive lenses.

However, wait to see what the Foveon X3 sensor is like at high ISO because the last one was unusable by ISO 3200.