Graft buster rules Yingluck guilty

[englishoak]

Oh please rubi stop with the silly wild drama.. no need for dragging anyone out at night, either there is a case or not.

If so simply proceed with the official charges and case, or dont. Due process is clearly an enigma to you I wont waste my time trying to explain it.

[lostsoul49]

How is it possible she can get a fair trial in Thailand ? The land of corruption. The land of corrupt justice ? The land where unfairness is the rule ? The land of people still waiting in their caves ? The land of people that do not want to familiarise with the rest of the world ? The land with several millions monks, hiding from criminal acts in their past. Millions of monks living on social security, from poor people. Millions of monks that really could work for the prosperity of Thailand and it`s citizens. I just ask ????

WOW!!!

You need to be very careful.

You can get in a heap of trouble with your anti monk slurs.

My wife was raging when she read that.

That is defamation of the highest order, and possibly well on a par with lese majeste in a country where Buddhism is pretty much a state religion..

My wife wants something done about your clear anti Thai/Buddhist comments and I am not going to stop her, although I did say you were just an idiot and not worth bothering with, but she is very very angry.

Not only that.... you just totally railed at Thailand in every negative dimension possible.

You may be given plenty of spare time to reflect on your hatred of Thailand and Buddhism.

[NeverSure]

I said it early in this thread, others have said it, but I stick by my first impressions. This smells like a deal to let YS go and spare the country a divisive trial and perhaps imprisonment. YS is very popular in some circles. This would drag out for years and both sides would play the blame game.

It reminds me of when US president Nixon was impeached for crimes. Rather than stand trial he resigned. By US law the vice president Gerald Ford was immediately president, and he quickly pardoned Nixon to avoid a long public trial. Nixon was already ruined for any future. I thought it was best for the country which would have been embroiled in a long Senate trial when there were far more pressing issues at hand.

Maybe this is a similar desire of the current government to make it just go away. I don't know if I'm right, but time will tell. If it's true, I don't blame the general for wanting it to stop being a distracting focus.

[citizen33]

Well, I'm out of kilter with most because I think Yingluck will return after the holiday. I may be naive. We'll see,

[lostsoul49]

While apparently guilty as charged (yet to be proven in court), I can't help feeling that Yingluck had no say in the matter - a pawn in the game played by Thaksin and his powerful clique. Makes no difference though, she was officially in charge and will be held responsible.he would be foolish to return and face the music.

A 'knowing' and 'willing' pawn who aided and abetted one of the largest ripoffs of the public treasury in the history of Thailand. It is not too late to withdraw her permission to travel since the original permission was based on different presumptions. I can see how bail will be granted but her brother has demonstrated the family propensity to abscond.

There is still time to cancel her permission to leave.

That was granted BEFORE the NACC publicly stated that she is almost certainly a criminal, and needs to be charged.

If anything, I believe that Yingluck was told in advance that this ruling was coming about and thus initiated her plan to flee with her son. Her son being the big red flag here.

I don't really think this has been agreed between the perties to save face and save stirring up resentment. When she fails to return and makes all her statements to the foreign press, that will be enough to get their red supporters raging. It really won't work in the Junta's favour. They are not stupid, of course this will have been considered.

If you ask me... I would say huge sums of money have changed hands to get this permission. That's just the way it's done in Thailand, and they potentially have hundreds of billions to play with.

Politically motivated my ar-se... The evidence is all there to be seen, even the staunch red shirts up north can't argue that one. When 500 Bn is missing along with a load of rice, they know heads are going to roll, political motivation or not.

If Cameron, Hollande or Obama were caught with their hands in the till or even just guilty of complacency. We know full well they would all be languishing in a prison cell from the day the power seize happened and that goes for any nation, African and a selection of other nations would have executed them already. Would this be deemed as political motivation?... hell no. It is only because it is a Shin that stupid red supporters cling to that futile addage.

As for the title of the thread having already convicted her..... That is the funniest of the lot. Of course the NACC found that she is guilty and recommended she go to court for trial. They have the evidence of her 'guilt'. Simple as that really.

Stop trying to use 'political motivation' as a get out for every bent politician on the planet. It is beyond pathetic.

[monkeycountry]

Why or why must the Shin faithful insist that any comment or action against them must be politically motivated?

Really, you think she's innocent, that not bothering to turn up for one single meeting she was supposed to chair, that all the comments about there being no missing rice or corruption, all the false promises to pay farmers was all acceptable?

But of course, you've reviewed all the evidence, witness statements in coming to your learned opinion.

The NACC believe there is enough evidence to indict her. She should come back and robustly defend herself. She has the money to hire the best lawyers, although explaining how not bothering to turn up and doing anything is not negligence is a tad difficult - and certainly not political motivated.

I have faith in no one and I have no reason to believe she is innocent.

There have never been any credible reports that rice has not gone missing.

Her government was blocked from paying the farmers by the EC.

I am waiting to review the evidence that will be presented at trial just as you are.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that these charges and the trial are and will not be politically motivated. It would be a crime to say otherwise.

I think you will agree with me that nothing in the past 15+ years in Thailand has been more political than the rice scheme itself.

I agree that Yingluck does have access to enough funds to hire the best lawyers in the world to defend herself. Will that be enough money, considering who she is up against?

For someone so sure of himself it must be quite embarrassing to get even the most basic facts wrong :-)

The payments to rice farmers, according to both the then PTP government,the banks and the rice farmer associations stopped in September 2013.

The EC did not get involved until Yingluck stepped down in November 2013, 2 months after the payments stopped.

See what happened there? :-D

[lostsoul49]

I said it early in this thread, others have said it, but I stick by my first impressions. This smells like a deal to let YS go and spare the country a divisive trial and perhaps imprisonment. YS is very popular in some circles. This would drag out for years and both sides would play the blame game.

It reminds me of when US president Nixon was impeached for crimes. Rather than stand trial he resigned. By US law the vice president Gerald Ford was immediately president, and he quickly pardoned Nixon to avoid a long public trial. Nixon was already ruined for any future. I thought it was best for the country which would have been embroiled in a long Senate trial when there were far more pressing issues at hand.

Maybe this is a similar desire of the current government to make it just go away. I don't know if I'm right, but time will tell. If it's true, I don't blame the general for wanting it to stop being a distracting focus.

I am not so sure a deal was struck to avoid division.

While in exile herself and big bro can continue to point fingers, claim political motivation, accuse the Dems of engineering this and keep up a campaign to create international contempt for the Junta et al.

I think it is better for all to go ahead with her prosecution with all the evidence laid out on the table for the whole world to see exactly what the Shins have been doing to the country and why the takeover was indeed justified.

Thing is... Now this is going to court, I am not sure exactly how the statute of limitations goes on this one.

I was of the opinion once you have been arraigned in court, then that dispenses with the SOL and you become a fugitive of the court and can be judged and sentenced in absentia..... if you are not yet arraigned, then the court can not proceed to trial and the SOL is still in effect. Meaning she could be free of all charges in 10 years.

Thaksin was already arraigned so he sentenced and now must serve his time, but Yingluck seems to be getting out of the country literally days before her arraignment.

Why are the NACC waiting till next week to send this to the court? What is wrong with Friday and have a special arraignment hearing before she goes?????

At least if she never returns, she can't use the SOL and must stay away for life.

[lostsoul49]

Why or why must the Shin faithful insist that any comment or action against them must be politically motivated?

Really, you think she's innocent, that not bothering to turn up for one single meeting she was supposed to chair, that all the comments about there being no missing rice or corruption, all the false promises to pay farmers was all acceptable?

But of course, you've reviewed all the evidence, witness statements in coming to your learned opinion.

The NACC believe there is enough evidence to indict her. She should come back and robustly defend herself. She has the money to hire the best lawyers, although explaining how not bothering to turn up and doing anything is not negligence is a tad difficult - and certainly not political motivated.

I have faith in no one and I have no reason to believe she is innocent.

There have never been any credible reports that rice has not gone missing.

Her government was blocked from paying the farmers by the EC.

I am waiting to review the evidence that will be presented at trial just as you are.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that these charges and the trial are and will not be politically motivated. It would be a crime to say otherwise.

I think you will agree with me that nothing in the past 15+ years in Thailand has been more political than the rice scheme itself.

I agree that Yingluck does have access to enough funds to hire the best lawyers in the world to defend herself. Will that be enough money, considering who she is up against?

For someone so sure of himself it must be quite embarrassing to get even the most basic facts wrong :-)

The payments to rice farmers, according to both the then PTP government,the banks and the rice farmer associations stopped in September 2013.

The EC did not get involved until Yingluck stepped down in November 2013, 2 months after the payments stopped.

See what happened there? :-D

Actually, I will expand on your comment.

The PTP stopped paying at the end of September, you are right there.

The EC did not get involved until December with the dissolution of the house and the first request by the finance minister for money from the EC was around January 20th which the EC rightly turned down because we were 2 weeks away from an election which would have given PTP a MASSIVE boost in popularity and a huge advantage at the polls.

They only ever asked once more which was in March for 20 Bn and it was granted by the EC.

So just goes to show what this guy knows about events.

Red history which is about as twisted and spun as you can get it.

[webfact]

RICE SCHEME
NACC pushes for criminal charges against Yingluck
The Nation



Rice-pledging scheme 'corrupt from beginning to end'; prosecution urged after 7-0 vote by anti-graft body

BANGKOK: -- THE NATIONAL Anti-Corruption Commission yesterday unanimously found former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra negligent in overseeing the loss-making and allegedly corruption-ridden rice-pledging scheme, a charge that could see her serving up to 10 years in jail.

The NACC announcement came six hours after the junta had permitted Yingluck to go overseas.

The NACC will next week ask the Office of the Attorney-General to prosecute her at the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Political Officeholders.

Commissioner Vicha Maha-khun, who was in charge of the case, said the NACC voted 7-0 to seek Yingluck's indictment for her responsibility as the prime minister and chairwoman of the National Rice Policy Committee that made and implemented policies for the rice-pledging scheme.

Her government manipulated the rice market, pushing the pledging price far higher than the market price and abused the market mechanism, he said.

"There was corruption at every stage of the scheme from the beginning registration stage, bringing outsiders to take paddy farmers' rights, cheating, rotating rice in the project and even stealing rice from stocks," he said.

"Political influence was widely used to help associates of people in the government to get the rights to sell rice from the government's inventory without transparent auctions," he said.

The graft burdened the government budget and caused losses in the government's rice dealings, he said.

"The scheme has created the largest damage to the country with a massive loss of not less than Bt500 billion," Vicha claimed.

The rice-pledging scheme was launched by the Yingluck administration in 2011. It made the government the biggest rice trader in the market, damaging the free-market system, he said.

Private mills and exporters were unable to procure rice for their business, he said.

The scheme also raised the price of Thai rice higher than that of competitors in the world market, he said. The then opposition Democrat Party filed a complaint to the anti-graft body against Yingluck and many ministers and officials in her government a long time ago.

The NACC in May decided to indict her and forwarded the case to the Senate for her impeachment. However, after the military coup, the impeachment motion was put on hold, as the junta dissolved the Senate. Yingluck might be banned from politics for five years if she is impeached.

The five ministers facing a graft probe in connection with the rice-pledging scheme include three former commerce ministers - Niwattumrong Boonsongpaisan, Boonsong Teriyapirom and Yanyong Puangrat - and ex-deputy commerce minister Poom Sarapol. Her brother ex-PM Thaksin was sentenced in 2008 by the Supreme Court to two years' imprisonment for abuse of power in connection with the purchase of land in Ratchadaphisek. He fled abroad two months before the court delivered its verdict.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/NACC-pushes-for-criminal-charges-against-Yingluck-30238805.html


-- The Nation 2014-07-18

[96tehtarp]

Why or why must the Shin faithful insist that any comment or action against them must be politically motivated?

Really, you think she's innocent, that not bothering to turn up for one single meeting she was supposed to chair, that all the comments about there being no missing rice or corruption, all the false promises to pay farmers was all acceptable?

But of course, you've reviewed all the evidence, witness statements in coming to your learned opinion.

The NACC believe there is enough evidence to indict her. She should come back and robustly defend herself. She has the money to hire the best lawyers, although explaining how not bothering to turn up and doing anything is not negligence is a tad difficult - and certainly not political motivated.

I have faith in no one and I have no reason to believe she is innocent.

There have never been any credible reports that rice has not gone missing.

Her government was blocked from paying the farmers by the EC.

I am waiting to review the evidence that will be presented at trial just as you are.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that these charges and the trial are and will not be politically motivated. It would be a crime to say otherwise.

I think you will agree with me that nothing in the past 15+ years in Thailand has been more political than the rice scheme itself.

I agree that Yingluck does have access to enough funds to hire the best lawyers in the world to defend herself. Will that be enough money, considering who she is up against?

For someone so sure of himself it must be quite embarrassing to get even the most basic facts wrong :-)

The payments to rice farmers, according to both the then PTP government,the banks and the rice farmer associations stopped in September 2013.

The EC did not get involved until Yingluck stepped down in November 2013, 2 months after the payments stopped.

See what happened there? :-D

"See what happened there? :-D"

I don't know what happened. I do know that we were paid for our paddy in late April 2014 after waiting for a very long time in the in the queue.

There have never been any payments made by banks and or rice farmers associations. Payments were made solely through the BAAC and they did not stop in September 2013 although they were far from orderly payments, and farmers were put in a queue.

This can easily be verified by contacting them yourself.

http://www.baac.or.th/baac_en/content-contact.php

[96tehtarp]

Why or why must the Shin faithful insist that any comment or action against them must be politically motivated?

Really, you think she's innocent, that not bothering to turn up for one single meeting she was supposed to chair, that all the comments about there being no missing rice or corruption, all the false promises to pay farmers was all acceptable?

But of course, you've reviewed all the evidence, witness statements in coming to your learned opinion.

The NACC believe there is enough evidence to indict her. She should come back and robustly defend herself. She has the money to hire the best lawyers, although explaining how not bothering to turn up and doing anything is not negligence is a tad difficult - and certainly not political motivated.

I have faith in no one and I have no reason to believe she is innocent.

There have never been any credible reports that rice has not gone missing.

Her government was blocked from paying the farmers by the EC.

I am waiting to review the evidence that will be presented at trial just as you are.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that these charges and the trial are and will not be politically motivated. It would be a crime to say otherwise.

I think you will agree with me that nothing in the past 15+ years in Thailand has been more political than the rice scheme itself.

I agree that Yingluck does have access to enough funds to hire the best lawyers in the world to defend herself. Will that be enough money, considering who she is up against?

For someone so sure of himself it must be quite embarrassing to get even the most basic facts wrong :-)

The payments to rice farmers, according to both the then PTP government,the banks and the rice farmer associations stopped in September 2013.

The EC did not get involved until Yingluck stepped down in November 2013, 2 months after the payments stopped.

See what happened there? :-D

Actually, I will expand on your comment.

The PTP stopped paying at the end of September, you are right there.

The EC did not get involved until December with the dissolution of the house and the first request by the finance minister for money from the EC was around January 20th which the EC rightly turned down because we were 2 weeks away from an election which would have given PTP a MASSIVE boost in popularity and a huge advantage at the polls.

They only ever asked once more which was in March for 20 Bn and it was granted by the EC.

So just goes to show what this guy knows about events.

Red history which is about as twisted and spun as you can get it.

"The PTP stopped paying at the end of September, you are right there."

The PTP never ever paid any farmers ever. The government allocated funds. Payments were made to farmers by the BAAC. A payment queue was implemented to handle delays.

The payments from BAAC to farmers did not stop in 2013.

We got paid in April 2014 after an excruciatingly long wait.

Edited July 17, 2014 by 96tehtarp

[meatboy]

Ruled guilty of malfeasance and given a free pass out of the country, with son, no less.

Yup, 100% guaranteed she is not coming back.

Gotta say, the junta just went down (a lot) in my opinion of them, if they do not revoke her free pass immediately.

Let's hope they at least seize all of the Shinawatra assets still in Thailand.

Arresting the former prime minister is a giant red flag which would be noticed and likely responded to by the international community.

This development appears to me to be a giant face saving solution for everyone involved.

These two comments above seem to me to be wise.

Allowing Yingluck to leave shows the NCPO in a better light than if they act in a vindictive manner. Persecuting her and her son at this point is unwise and will only add fuel to the fires of righteous indignation by the western governments.

We all know she is guilty of some degree of malfeasance with regard to her governance over the last three years. Better the Shinawatras are out of Thailand than in. She may well return, that is her option, but at least, like Thaksin before, she has the choice. What she does with that choice will be a sign to her followers and supporters just how much she cares for them and her country. We will know the result of this action in three weeks when/if she returns.

General Prayuth has been sensible and played a good card on this move.

given a 5yr.sentance when she's away will make sure she doesn't return.

[lostsoul49]

Why or why must the Shin faithful insist that any comment or action against them must be politically motivated?

Really, you think she's innocent, that not bothering to turn up for one single meeting she was supposed to chair, that all the comments about there being no missing rice or corruption, all the false promises to pay farmers was all acceptable?

But of course, you've reviewed all the evidence, witness statements in coming to your learned opinion.

The NACC believe there is enough evidence to indict her. She should come back and robustly defend herself. She has the money to hire the best lawyers, although explaining how not bothering to turn up and doing anything is not negligence is a tad difficult - and certainly not political motivated.

I have faith in no one and I have no reason to believe she is innocent.

There have never been any credible reports that rice has not gone missing.

Her government was blocked from paying the farmers by the EC.

I am waiting to review the evidence that will be presented at trial just as you are.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that these charges and the trial are and will not be politically motivated. It would be a crime to say otherwise.

I think you will agree with me that nothing in the past 15+ years in Thailand has been more political than the rice scheme itself.

I agree that Yingluck does have access to enough funds to hire the best lawyers in the world to defend herself. Will that be enough money, considering who she is up against?

For someone so sure of himself it must be quite embarrassing to get even the most basic facts wrong :-)

The payments to rice farmers, according to both the then PTP government,the banks and the rice farmer associations stopped in September 2013.

The EC did not get involved until Yingluck stepped down in November 2013, 2 months after the payments stopped.

See what happened there? :-D

"See what happened there? :-D"

I don't know what happened. I do know that we were paid for our paddy in late April 2014 after waiting for a very long time in the in the queue.

There have never been any payments made by banks and or rice farmers associations. Payments were made solely through the BAAC and they did not stop in September 2013 although they were far from orderly payments, and farmers were put in a queue.

This can easily be verified by contacting them yourself.

http://www.baac.or.th/baac_en/content-contact.php

The rice payments DID stop at the end of September because the first missed promise was end of October all would be paid, then End of November all would be paid, then mid December all would be paid, then end of 2013 all would be paid, then end of January all would be paid. All were broken promises.

Then they borrowed 20Bn at the end of March and a few were paid but most of the money went back to pay the borrowed money back... over 10 Bn never made it to the farmers because they were too inept to sell rice to cover it.

They were boasting future sales of 10 Bn a month, and it took 3 months to sell less and ended up having to use the principal to pay the loan.

[metisdead]

A post with messed up quotes has been removed.

[jayboy]

Arresting the former prime minister is a giant red flag which would be noticed and likely responded to by the international community.

This development appears to me to be a giant face saving solution for everyone involved.

Don't think they care what international community thinks, they've already proven that.

Nonsense.It's a hyper sensitive matter for the Junta.

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[lostsoul49]

Arresting the former prime minister is a giant red flag which would be noticed and likely responded to by the international community.

This development appears to me to be a giant face saving solution for everyone involved.

Don't think they care what international community thinks, they've already proven that.

Nonsense.It's a hyper sensitive matter for the Junta.

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Maybe it was when the coup was happening, but prosecuting a corrupt PM whose government they then overthrew with plenty of evidence on the table to prove and support a conviction.... Well I doubt they would be bothered what the international community thinks.

If anything it would prove them right to bring down the government in the first place and exonerate them totally.

If this rice scam fiasco had happened in the UK, USA or any western country the results would have been the same... The government turfed out of power and the PM thrown in jail and it certainly wouldn't be a silly 2000 baht fine and a 5 year ban from politics.... It would be the FULL weight of the law.

[Robby nz]

This determination of guilt without trial is definitely not politically motivated.

Read the OP again.

She will be given a trial and a chance to defend herself with as many witnesses as she likes in the Supreme Court ‘s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions.

Assuming she appears.

The NACC could not pass on the information they have gathered from their investigations without coming to a conclusion, that could only be one of two things, guilty or not.

Same as the police in other countries investigating crime, they must come to a conclusion of guilt before passing a defendant on to a court for trial.

"Read the OP again."

OK start with the heading...

Graft buster rules Yingluck guilty

Of course I know there will be a fair and just process that will definitely not be politically motivated. That's why she is going to return after visiting her brother in Paris to answer the charges.

Read my post again before you start having a pick at me :

"The NACC could not pass on the information they have gathered from their investigations without coming to a conclusion, that could only be one of two things, guilty or not."

[96tehtarp]

The rice payments DID stop at the end of September because the first missed promise was end of October all would be paid, then End of November all would be paid, then mid December all would be paid, then end of 2013 all would be paid, then end of January all would be paid. All were broken promises.

Then they borrowed 20Bn at the end of March and a few were paid but most of the money went back to pay the borrowed money back... over 10 Bn never made it to the farmers because they were too inept to sell rice to cover it.

They were boasting future sales of 10 Bn a month, and it took 3 months to sell less and ended up having to use the principal to pay the loan.

"The rice payments DID stop at the end of September."

I actually agree with most of what you stated.

However, the rice payments to farmers by the BAAC did not stop in September 2013. My family was paid in April 2014.

A more accurate statement would be that the scheme was in serious financial trouble already by Sept. '13.

Propaganda: Lies repeated so often public opinion eventually comes to believe them.

I find it interesting to see the role many former CPT sympathizers have had in the red movement from the start. There was a lot of bad blood between the establishment rice millers in Thailand and the old CPTers as far back as the 70's. It's a good read to look up how the army dealt with the same issue then and what issues the CPT had with the very well connected millers.

This is Thai political intrigue at it's best.

[jayboy]

Arresting the former prime minister is a giant red flag which would be noticed and likely responded to by the international community.

This development appears to me to be a giant face saving solution for everyone involved.

Don't think they care what international community thinks, they've already proven that.

Nonsense.It's a hyper sensitive matter for the Junta.

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Maybe it was when the coup was happening, but prosecuting a corrupt PM whose government they then overthrew with plenty of evidence on the table to prove and support a conviction.... Well I doubt they would be bothered what the international community thinks.

If anything it would prove them right to bring down the government in the first place and exonerate them totally.

If this rice scam fiasco had happened in the UK, USA or any western country the results would have been the same... The government turfed out of power and the PM thrown in jail and it certainly wouldn't be a silly 2000 baht fine and a 5 year ban from politics.... It would be the FULL weight of the law.

But what do you mean by rice scam fiasco? There are two components, the perfectly legitimate subsidy involved (populism) for which there are parallels in many countries and alleged corruption in implementation.In some quarters in Thailand these have been conflated.If the PM, ministers or officials have been personally been involved in corruption obviously they should face criminal charges (though in the case of Khun Yingluck this is not seriously suggested).But there is no offence in the price guarantee scheme itself even if in my opinion it was ill advised.In any event the current effort to neutralise the former PM is driven by other factors.

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[96tehtarp]

Yaowapa:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/09/19/politics/politics_30083873.php

[siampolee]

Yaowapa:

Affectionately known as ''The Bag Lady '' when she took her frequent '' touring'' trips of Suvarnabhumi Airport during its construction period.

[johna]

The trial can drag on for several years, by witch time there will be a new Taksin government in power. The bulk of Yingluck's assets are in Thailand, and they will be seized if she does not return.

[jaidam]

Yaowapa:

Affectionately known as ''The Bag Lady '' when she took her frequent '' touring'' trips of Suvarnabhumi Airport during its construction period.

Thanks for explaining that one, I always assumed she was called that due to the amount of brown paper bags that would be needed to cover the hideous mantelpiece while stoking the fire.

[skippybangkok]

Oh well...., I guess it's time then for the driver or maid of square head who used to own AIS to step up to the place of Prime Minister. Sq.head is running out of family members

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[siampolee]

jaidam post # 83

Thanks for explaining that one, I always assumed she was called that due to the amount of brown paper bags that would be needed to cover the hideous mantelpiece while stoking the fire.

Perhaps going back to my long since gone youth the comment should read thus.

Thanks for explaining that one, I always assumed she was called that due to the amount of brown ales that would have to be consumed to both anesthetize one and dull the image of that hideous mantelpiece while stoking the fire.

[ezzra]

If this Prayouth is as smart as I think he is (or should be) he should bar anyone from the Shin

clan or connect to them from leaving the country until all the dust and court case will be settled

forthwith....

[rubl]

Oh please rubi stop with the silly wild drama.. no need for dragging anyone out at night, either there is a case or not.

If so simply proceed with the official charges and case, or dont. Due process is clearly an enigma to you I wont waste my time trying to explain it.

Oh come on Oaky, stop embarrassing us with your ignorance.

The 'due process' has been running. After the NACC will ask the Office of the Attorney-General to prosecute Ms. Yingluck at the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Political Officeholders next week, all information gathered will be turned over to the OAG. Assuming the OAG will start a case, Ms. Yingluck will be requested to hear the charges. She may then be accompanied by her legal team. Her legal team can then request all relevant documentation to prepare the defence. The defence team can submit a list of witnesses they would like to have called for the defence. Etc., etc.

Of course, the case can only commence AFTER Ms. Yingluck has been present to .hear and acknowledge the charges. At least for the criminal court that's how it seems to work, probably for this court the same.

None of this has any relation with your previous

"It dosnt really matter if shes really guilty or not, making this public statement has already signed sealed and delivered the verdict at any trial. "

[GeorgeO]

This determination of guilt without trial is definitely not politically motivated.

Read the OP again.

She will be given a trial and a chance to defend herself with as many witnesses as she likes in the Supreme Court ‘s Criminal Division for Persons Holding Political Positions.

Assuming she appears.

The NACC could not pass on the information they have gathered from their investigations without coming to a conclusion, that could only be one of two things, guilty or not.

Same as the police in other countries investigating crime, they must come to a conclusion of guilt before passing a defendant on to a court for trial.

It's simply a case of semantics. The NACC is not a court, and should not be using words such as "guilty", and who knows, maybe they didn't use that actual word, but the media interpreted it that way.

What they have found is evidence of negligence on the part of Yingluck and have recommended that she faces charges in the Criminal Court where her guilt or innocence will be determined.

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For someone so sure of himself it must be quite embarrassing to get even the most basic facts wrong :-)

The payments to rice farmers, according to both the then PTP government,the banks and the rice farmer associations stopped in September 2013.

The EC did not get involved until Yingluck stepped down in November 2013, 2 months after the payments stopped.

See what happened there? :-D

Not really relevant to the topic, but the EC didn't get involved with Ms. Yingluck stepping down in November 2013, but with PM Yingluck dissolving the House on the 9th of December, 2013.

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If she doesn't return the case goes on hold till she comes to

"Acknowledge" the charges. Ses for her brother. His quest for absolute power has created another self-exiled victim.

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