Thailand to continue support for both Palestine and Israel

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Thailand to continue support for both Palestine and Israel

BANGKOK, 22 July 2014 (NNT) – The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has reiterated that there will be no change in Thailand’s foreign policy on Israel and Palestine following the newly erupted violence between the two countries.

Cross-border fighting has continued unabated, with Israeli strikes leaving at least 570 Palestinians dead. Seven Israeli soldiers also were killed Monday in clashes with Palestinian militants, which raised the overall Israeli death toll to 27, including two civilians.

Permanent-Secretary for Foreign Affairs Sihasak Phuangketkaew said Thailand will continue to have relations with Israel and Palestine but will not condone terrorist activities in either of the country.

Thailand, along with the international community, is urging Hamas and the Israeli government to resume peace dialogue amid the increasing number of lives lost.

Mr. Sihasak added that the Thai government currently has no plan to evacuate Thai nationals from Israel but is closely monitoring the situation.


-- NNT 2014-07-22

[Katipo]

Did anyone expect otherwise?

[Jingthing]

It sounds like a reasonable position for Thailand.

There are many Thai nationals in Israel.

No reason to antagonize Israel or oppose their right to defend their very existence.

Thailand also has no reason to not support more moderate Palestinian aspirations for national status.

Thailand is definitely not supportive of the terrorist organization Hamas aspirations to take over Israel.

[WhizBang]

I condem them both, as they are both TERRORIST states.

[wiki12]

"Thailand is definitely not supportive of the terrorist organization Hamas aspirations to take over Israel."

I don't think it is supportive of the terrorist government of Israel to take over Palestine either.

Terrorist definition - a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon. - Sounds like a good description of the Tel Aviv governent, (funded by US taxpayers) as well as Hamas don't you think?

Looking at the maps below, who's taking who ever here?

[Seastallion]

It sounds like a reasonable position for Thailand.

There are many Thai nationals in Israel.

No reason to antagonize Israel or oppose their right to defend their very existence.

Thailand also has no reason to not support more moderate Palestinian aspirations for national status.

Thailand is definitely not supportive of the terrorist organization Hamas aspirations to take over Israel.

A reasonable position from you JT.

A pity that you spoiled it with the normal one-eyed approach by neglecting to mention Israel's terrorism. As said in the article Thailand is not supportive of Israeli terrorism either.

[noitom]

israel and Palestine/ie..Hamas need to follow the Thai model. They need to implement military dictatorship to restore happiness and stop dissent. It's easy to see that Thailand knows how to do this.

[siampolee]

No doubt pressure was brought to bear on Thailand by Israels second state the U.S.A. so as to influence the two faced stance that Thailand has taken, indeed somewhat reminisce of the 1939-1945 era is it not .

[rhythmworx]

What did you expect them to do?

Fly the air force in to keep the peace.

How exactly are Thailand supporting them?

Keeping the visa regs the same is supporting another nation?

[Jingthing]

No doubt pressure was brought to bear on Thailand by Israels second state the U.S.A. so as to influence the two faced stance that Thailand has taken, indeed somewhat reminisce of the 1939-1945 era is it not .

Israel has but the one state. Also, the power of the U.S. influence on Thailand is questionable considering recent Thai history.

[notmyself]

Israel should certainly not exist as a state but since it does it is entitled to defend itself. Such is the frequency of indiscriminate missiles being launched into Israel that it doesn't even make Israeli national news unless someone dies or is injured. Months and months go by with thousands of missiles being lobbed toward them and they do nothing but when they do they are accused of being heavy handed. Seems to me that the best way forward would be for every indiscriminate launched one way an indiscriminate missile should be launched back and may the best man win.

For those interested, here is a roughly historically accurate 3.5 minute video of the promised land...

http://www.globetoday.com/one-of-the-most-beautiful-accurate-and-true-cartoons-ever-a-masterpiece/

Thailand may if it chooses support both and thus sit on the fence but IMO they would be much better off supporting neither. If the Kingdom can sort out the issues in their own south (they can't) then perhaps they can start to punch above their weight but until then, stay out of it.

Nothing will bring peace to the area known as the promised land until the parties of God have it taken out of their hands and that is not going to happen within even a new-born's lifetime.

[rethaier]

I condem them both, as they are both TERRORIST states.

I agree that Israel is a terrorist state. The recent bombings of hospitals and residential areas and the deaths of innocent children with absolutely no remorse supports my belief. Netanyahu has even stated in an interview with Hillary (the bitch) Clinton that he does not care who dies. Israel is a scourge on the planet that should be contained and disarmed. As for Hamas, maybe they are freedom fighters.

[rethaier]

"Thailand is definitely not supportive of the terrorist organization Hamas aspirations to take over Israel."

I don't think it is supportive of the terrorist government of Israel to take over Palestine either.

Terrorist definition - a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon. - Sounds like a good description of the Tel Aviv governent, (funded by US taxpayers) as well as Hamas don't you think?

Looking at the maps below, who's taking who ever here?

The 1947 deal brokered by the UN was a travesty but what has happened since are just crimes.

[CBR250]

The Thai stance on the conflict is remarkably mature, unlike some nations who feel that they must support one side or other for historic and strategic interests. And unlike some TV posters, who are so blatantly one-eyed that my mental list of "Who Not To Bother Reading" is getting unwieldy. There seem to be many more posters on TV engaged in the stratagem of flooding discussion forums with their biases.

There is fault on both sides. Israel has a right to exist, of course. And it would wonderful if the citizens of Israel could sleep soundly. Without the fear of rockets (however primitive these may be) landing on their houses. However, this cannot happen unless Palestinians can enjoy similar rights.

Sadly, Palestinians in both the West Bank and Gaza do not have anywhere near the level of security and material well-being that Israelis enjoy - primarily as a result of the colonisation practices of the Israeli government. Lands acknowledged as Palestinian by the international community are stolen constantly by Israel. Houses that one family may passed down for centuries have been taken from them, with no compensation. The livelihoods of Palestinians are deliberately removed (by such strategems as destruction of century old olive orchards, economic blockades, restricted transport, etc etc). There is a an 800km long Israeli wall that makes the Berlin wall look friendly, and is built not on border lines, but deep into Palestinian lands. The construction of the wall also enabled some petty Israeli planners to destroy valuable Palestinian water sources. And on and on.

The slow strangulation of the possibility of a viable Palestinian state lies behind most of the recent trouble. A resolution of the conflict will require Israel finally recognising that they have to return most of the land they have stolen. They will also have to lift economic blockades. I suspect that the "right of return" could be resolved by compensation, and does not mean the sudden flooding of Israel by Palestinians. (Unfortunately, Israel doesn't want to even contemplate this question, as it may be a little expensive). On the Palestinian side, Israel needs assurance that its citizens are safe, and existence is not threatened. I think this is far more readily done, as even senior Hamas figures have not agreed with the "destruction of Israel" line for some years. (Don't believe everyhting you read about the evil aims of Hamas - see for example: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB124899975954495435?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB124899975954495435.html)

Seems simple enough on paper, but the reality is let down mostly by the fact that Israel wants to keep stealing land.

[Frank James]

This war has been going on since Bible days, and will continue forever.

[rethaier]

This war has been going on since Bible days, and will continue forever.

Not "this war". This war started in 1947.

[gemini81]

Of course, haha.

Upon hearing they reply, 'Where? Taiwan?' 'No, I said Thailand. You know, used to be called Siam?' 'Oh, right! Key player indeed!'

[rethaier]

Of course, haha.

Upon hearing they reply, 'Where? Taiwan?' 'No, I said Thailand. You know, used to be called Siam?' 'Oh, right! Key player indeed!'

Okay. You got my curiosity. What is this about?

[Frank James]

This war has been going on since Bible days, and will continue forever.

Not "this war". This war started in 1947.

The 1947 thing was a resumption of hostilities following a short break for WW2. Read Exodus. God allegedly told Moses to round up all of his people, the Hebrews, and take them out of an ungrateful Egypt, "to a land I will show you." Well, the land he eventually "gave them" was already occupied by various tribes, who had been living there for a very long time. God said "No problem, kill them all and take their stuff." So they did. The whole Old Testament is one long story of fighting for control of the so-called Holy Land.

According to what I have read of the history of this blood-soaked land, the only relatively peaceful time was during the reign of the Ottoman Empire, when the religions and rights of all minorities were respected, as long as everybody paid their dues to the Sultan.

Israel, at least under the present leadership, will never concede anything to the Palestinians, and will continue to build illegal settlements. And the Palestinians will never get anywhere as long as they are under fragmented leadership, which works to the benefit of Israel. The US keeps playing along with this tired little show, as Congress is bought and paid for by AIPAC. So...forever.

[rethaier]

This war has been going on since Bible days, and will continue forever.

Not "this war". This war started in 1947.

The 1947 thing was a resumption of hostilities following a short break for WW2. Read Exodus. God allegedly told Moses to round up all of his people, the Hebrews, and take them out of an ungrateful Egypt, "to a land I will show you." Well, the land he eventually "gave them" was already occupied by various tribes, who had been living there for a very long time. God said "No problem, kill them all and take their stuff." So they did. The whole Old Testament is one long story of fighting for control of the so-called Holy Land.

According to what I have read of the history of this blood-soaked land, the only relatively peaceful time was during the reign of the Ottoman Empire, when the religions and rights of all minorities were respected, as long as everybody paid their dues to the Sultan.

Israel, at least under the present leadership, will never concede anything to the Palestinians, and will continue to build illegal settlements. And the Palestinians will never get anywhere as long as they are under fragmented leadership, which works to the benefit of Israel. The US keeps playing along with this tired little show, as Congress is bought and paid for by AIPAC. So...forever.

If I can't believe the stories about moses, who historicaly (other than in the bible) is nowhere to be found, Egypt shows no record of an exodus and the mythical king David whose existence cannot be proved, then I disregard any biblical history of the Jews. However, there was no Israel before 1947 so Israel could not have been at war. As for the Jews, they were scattered all over the globe. The Palestinians got a raw deal from the UN and Britain and since then the greedy, terrorist Israelies have continued to steal more land. Thus, tribal conflicts aside, we have actually had war since 1947. And until these occupiers are stopped, you are right, they will always have war.

[belg]

a bowl of rice anyone ? same same

[Frank James]

Ah, but then we have the big question...who will "stop" the Israelis? Many have tried, none have succeeded. And why does nobody in all of the Arab world, or even the non-Arab world, ever come to the assistance of the beleaguered Palestinians? All they ever get is lip service, and lame demonstrations by indignant leftists here and there, and apparently a few cases of small arms from time to time.

A memorable quote from Carl VonClauswitz comes to mind:

"Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemywithout too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: War is such a dangerous business that mistakes that come from kindness are the very worst."

Israel doesn't play. Right or wrong, they are determined to always prevail, by any means necessary.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Frank James

[Frank James]

My editor didn't work this time. Please disregard.

[rethaier]

Ah, but then we have the big question...who will "stop" the Israelis? Many have tried, none have succeeded. And why does nobody in all of the Arab world, or even the non-Arab world, ever come to the assistance of the beleaguered Palestinians? All they ever get is lip service, and lame demonstrations by indignant leftists here and there, and apparently a few cases of small arms from time to time.

A memorable quote from Carl VonClauswitz comes to mind:

"Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemywithout too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: War is such a dangerous business that mistakes that come from kindness are the very worst."

Israel doesn't play. Right or wrong, they are determined to always prevail, by any means necessary.

"Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: War is a dangerous business where mistakes that come from kindness are the very worst." - See more at: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=26192729632#sthash.Ga7EHpEa.dpuf

"Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: War is a dangerous business where mistakes that come from kindness are the very worst." - See more at: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=26192729632#sthash.Ga7EHpEa.dpuf

"Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat the enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: War is a dangerous business where mistakes that come from kindness are the very worst." - See more at: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=26192729632#sthash.Ga7EHpEa.dpuf

"Ah, but then we have the big question...who will "stop" the Israelis? Many have tried, none have succeeded. And why does nobody in all of the Arab world, or even the non-Arab world, ever come to the assistance of the beleaguered Palestinians? All they ever get is lip service, and lame demonstrations by indignant leftists here and there, and apparently a few cases of small arms from time to time."

That's a damn good question. Could it be fear of the big boys sticks or that Palestine has nothing they want?