New Zealander Stabbed To Death

[thankuverybig]

i think this violent mad max thailand that people are talking about is a bit of a laugh.

drunken assaults in the uk are a common occurence on a friday or saturday night.

if you respect people in thailand & live by there rules,generally the thai men will leave you alone.

in all the time ive spent in thailand i have yet to have a thai male try to provoke me.

some of the women,on the other hand,can be a bit tricky.

[steven w]

we see the Thai 'nation' in self destruct politically and socially.

You can ask most Thais and they will back this statement up, probably not to foreigners but amongst themselves certainly.

I am afraid the situation is going to get much worse.

[marquess]

UG:

Perhaps you should get some bumper stickers and sell the: "Thailand -- Love It or Leave It"

How about:

If Thailand is so bad, then don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.

Here we go again, a perfectly serious thread degenerating into a slanging match, surely we can do alot better?! Personally I in my six years here I have always preferred to keep a very low profile and avoid the company of those who consider alcohol to be their best friend. So much so that I have always declined offers of it from, those who may be purporting to be friendly. As an early poster put it, we really don't have a leg to stand on here should any trouble arise, therefore avoid any situation that looks like it might lead to trouble!

[Siripon]

The girl's story in the Thai newspapers is different. She says the New Zealander had admired her for a while even though she already had a Thai boyfriend, she worked in the reception in the apartment, and the farang invited her to watch the football in a restaurant downstairs.

She then telephoned her boyfriend to join them!

The farang got drunk and started making comments about how he fancied her, this upset her boyfriend so to stop the situation turning ugly,they helped' carry him back tohis flat where he tried to pull the girl inside.

Protesting, she got out, then her Thai boyfriend and the NZ proceeded to argue in front of the lift. She went to the bathroom and when she came back her boyfriend had stabbed the farang and run away.

2 things seem strange:

1. Why accept the invitation from the farang if shehas a boyfriend, who she then invites to join them!

2.It was very convenient to go the toilet at the time of the murder.

I suspect she was enjoying the attention from 2 admirers and things got way beyond a 19 year old girl's experience when the jealousy and alcohol mixed its deadly concotion.

[davethailand]

i`m on my way to Thailand. is the "farangs get attacked almost every day" comment accurate? or, has there been a recent upsurge in crime and some people are overreacting? is "every day" true or not?

and why would anybody (farang or otherwise) want their girlfriend to hang out with their friends during quality time, etc.?

Not accurate at all.

[davethailand]

The girl's story in the Thai newspapers is different. She says the New Zealander had admired her for a while even though she already had a Thai boyfriend, she worked in the reception in the apartment, and the farang invited her to watch the football in a restaurant downstairs.

She then telephoned her boyfriend to join them!

The farang got drunk and started making comments about how he fancied her, this upset her boyfriend so to stop the situation turning ugly,they helped' carry him back tohis flat where he tried to pull the girl inside.

Protesting, she got out, then her Thai boyfriend and the NZ proceeded to argue in front of the lift. She went to the bathroom and when she came back her boyfriend had stabbed the farang and run away.

2 things seem strange:

1. Why accept the invitation from the farang if shehas a boyfriend, who she then invites to join them!

2.It was very convenient to go the toilet at the time of the murder.

I suspect she was enjoying the attention from 2 admirers and things got way beyond a 19 year old girl's experience when the jealousy and alcohol mixed its deadly concotion.

Maybe theres something to her story?? Some farangs can be absolute <deleted> when it comes to drink and the "ALL thai girls are available" way of thinking.

Not implying this is the case with the guy here.

[swervie2000]

Thai-Farang...who gives a shit? Behavior is colorblind. Farangs tend to blame Thais for things because they are the majority, and Thais tend to blame farangs for things because they are the minority. The fact of the matter is that a few people got drunk and someone was killed. Now, I think the Kiwi dude was maybe a bit off course because he got ticked his Thai friend was hitting on his 19 year old girlfriend since they were drunk. He could of been joking around, however, Thai people generally try not to show anger; so when this guy got angry at his friend, the Thai guy didn't know how to react except to kill him possibly. Don't know...wasn't there. If there was to be a moral to this story it would be that things happen, don't blame people for their behavior due to their ethnicity and don't judge an event when you're not there.

[thailand_tom]

its open season on foreigners..this is becoming a daily occurence..i agree with the poster that said their needs to be travel warnings to thailand ..for starters..thais have to remember..we do not have to live or vacation here..their are plenty of other countries that would love to have us spend our money in their country..india for 1 is working on a bill to allow foreigners to own 100% of the land they buy..and if they get this through i will be moving there..also vietnam has signed a deal with the united states to open trade..so i think they will love to see foreigners move to their country..cambodia is dying for any kind of foreign money..costa rica is very cheap and very beautiful..brazil cheap and the women will knock your socks off..there are not many foreigners here..and if you hear about 1 everyday or every other day that is a very big percentage..we have not heard from the thai government..making a big deal about another foreigner getting murdered..so that leads us to think we really do not matter..i did read a post from i think.. a thai guy blaming the guy who was murdered saying all foreigners get mad easy..i see drunk thais get mad all the time..i guess the guy was suppose to let his girlfriend be raped by her friend..or secret boyfriend..i seen plenty of that here..and yes their are plenty of murders in the united states..but..i can tell you this..a tourist was murdered in las vegas he was from japan..i lived their 11 years...the police and mayor went crazy..they went after this guy caught him in a week he got life in prison..i was born and raised in connecticut and we always got the ny papers and ny tv broadcasts..we lived about 40 mins from new york city..i remember a foreigner was murdered..i think the guy was from germany..the same thing..the police were all over this ..the police chief was on tv everyday until he was caught..we take the murder of foreigners very seriously..i do not feel the same concern here by the thai government..i will be renewing my visa this week and it will give me multi-entries..the 1st one did not allow me to leave..i will take a trip to india and cambodia this year and see..i am only 40 miles from the cambodian boarder..and india next month..very sorry for the family of this young man..lets hope they catch the guy who murdered him..but..i really doubt they are even looking for him..

[thommy1111]

Actually, I don't think any sane foreigner with the slightest amount of intelligence can call this country "great".

We all have our own reason for living here but it's not because it's great.

If I get asked by friends and family back home why I live here, my answer is not " Because it's a great country". They'd laugh in my face.

Basically, if I get asked that now, I have no answer.

Monty Python's Life of Brian raised the question "What have the Romans ever done for us ?" and there was a plethora of answers.

If we sit back and ask "What have the Thais ever done for us", all you'll get is silence. And that is because this place is not great, hasn't done anything for the international community, doesn't breed people that go on to help the masses and is known for it's filth, greed, corruption, drugs and prositution.

The best thing to happen here recently and has caused a stir is Roti Boy !!

I don't think this is a whine, or complaint. it's just the way it is.

A few years ago, you could ignore these issues because Thailand was fun. We lived here , moaned about how crap Thailand was but did so whilst having a great time. Now, we sit in crap bars that close early and complain about the same things. In fact, the bars are so crap and play such crap music that I stay home and save money.

Anyone out there fancy opening a great bar, playing great music ? I'm in if you do. One rule, no nancy boy fluffy pop music like in Safari bar .... which used to be rockin'

Just because the place(s) you live and/or go to are shit doesn not make the whole country and its people shit. You're obviously one of those "my glass is half empty" type of people ?

Anyway life and the country you live in is what you make yourself out of it and how you deal with certain situations. Most of the time the grass isnt greener on the other side.

[thailand_tom]

i`m on my way to Thailand. is the "farangs get attacked almost every day" comment accurate? or, has there been a recent upsurge in crime and some people are overreacting? is "every day" true or not?

and why would anybody (farang or otherwise) want their girlfriend to hang out with their friends during quality time, etc.?

if i where you i would vacation somewhere else..the government here really seems not to care about the well being of foreigners.

[thailand_tom]

Just some (surprising to me) information on murder rates

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ers-per-capita:

#1 Colombia 0.617847 per 1,000 people

#2 South Africa 0.496008 per 1,000 people

#3 Jamaica 0.324196 per 1,000 people

#4 Venezuela 0.316138 per 1,000 people

#5 Russia 0.201534 per 1,000 people

#6 Mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people

#7 Estonia 0.107277 per 1,000 people

#8 Latvia 0.10393 per 1,000 people

#9 Lithuania 0.102863 per 1,000 people

#10 Belarus 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

#11 Ukraine 0.094006 per 1,000 people

#12 Papua New Guinea 0.0838593 per 1,000 people

#13 Kyrgyzstan 0.0802565 per 1,000 people

#14 Thailand 0.0800798 per 1,000 people

#15 Moldova 0.0781145 per 1,000 people

#16 Zimbabwe 0.0749938 per 1,000 people

#17 Seychelles 0.0739025 per 1,000 people

#18 Zambia 0.070769 per 1,000 people

#19 Costa Rica 0.061006 per 1,000 people

#20 Poland 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

#21 Georgia 0.0511011 per 1,000 people

#22 Uruguay 0.045082 per 1,000 people

#23 Bulgaria 0.0445638 per 1,000 people

#24 United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people

#25 Armenia 0.0425746 per 1,000 people

#26 India 0.0344083 per 1,000 people

#27 Yemen 0.0336276 per 1,000 people

#28 Dominica 0.0289733 per 1,000 people

#29 Azerbaijan 0.0285642 per 1,000 people

#30 Finland 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

May sound snide, but my guess is that there is a higher incidence of unreported murder in less-developed countries as well.

Regardless, we all know risky behavior combined with alcohol leads to "interesting" results pretty much everywhere!

what is your stats for..foreigners here..how many foreigners..how many murdered..i say this because it would be nice to know..and we can see..if their are more being murdered..over the last 5-10 years..we keep hearing there are more foreigners here then 5-10 years ago..does anybody know the stats

[davethailand]

Just some (surprising to me) information on murder rates

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ers-per-capita:

#1 Colombia 0.617847 per 1,000 people

#2 South Africa 0.496008 per 1,000 people

#3 Jamaica 0.324196 per 1,000 people

#4 Venezuela 0.316138 per 1,000 people

#5 Russia 0.201534 per 1,000 people

#6 Mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people

#7 Estonia 0.107277 per 1,000 people

#8 Latvia 0.10393 per 1,000 people

#9 Lithuania 0.102863 per 1,000 people

#10 Belarus 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

#11 Ukraine 0.094006 per 1,000 people

#12 Papua New Guinea 0.0838593 per 1,000 people

#13 Kyrgyzstan 0.0802565 per 1,000 people

#14 Thailand 0.0800798 per 1,000 people

#15 Moldova 0.0781145 per 1,000 people

#16 Zimbabwe 0.0749938 per 1,000 people

#17 Seychelles 0.0739025 per 1,000 people

#18 Zambia 0.070769 per 1,000 people

#19 Costa Rica 0.061006 per 1,000 people

#20 Poland 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

#21 Georgia 0.0511011 per 1,000 people

#22 Uruguay 0.045082 per 1,000 people

#23 Bulgaria 0.0445638 per 1,000 people

#24 United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people

#25 Armenia 0.0425746 per 1,000 people

#26 India 0.0344083 per 1,000 people

#27 Yemen 0.0336276 per 1,000 people

#28 Dominica 0.0289733 per 1,000 people

#29 Azerbaijan 0.0285642 per 1,000 people

#30 Finland 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

May sound snide, but my guess is that there is a higher incidence of unreported murder in less-developed countries as well.

Regardless, we all know risky behavior combined with alcohol leads to "interesting" results pretty much everywhere!

what is your stats for..foreigners here..how many foreigners..how many murdered..i say this because it would be nice to know..and we can see..if their are more being murdered..over the last 5-10 years..we keep hearing there are more foreigners here then 5-10 years ago..does anybody know the stats

If your that negative about the place then why visit here or post on a thailand based forum?

[Postie]

Dull and predictable thread. Siripon provides some background information. All consumed with a "pinch of salt", I know...but...as the "Briton stabbed to death by father in law" thread...

A noble dialogue (diatribe) wallows around in a fact free nomansland.

[yoshiwara]

I don't know whether the NZ man or the Thai man were the instigators of the trouble, but one thing we are informed of is that the Thai chappie was packing a pistol throughout. This was terribly unlucky in the old story of 'Two's company, three's a crowd'. I have decided to carry a magnet with me to all future LOS social occasions as my funds won't extend to a metal detector.

[dezeure]

poor guy. Did he have any other family back home? And is it like normal for all thai guys to carry knives with them...even if they are going to a friends house (as the story reads)

well guess I'll be carrying my switch blade, glock .45, and pepper spray next time I go to a friends house to watch a football match while his wife or girlfriend is at home.

My condolences

SD

[qualtrough]

To all of the foreigners whining about how dangerous Thailand is for foreigners-WHY THE hel_l DO YOU LIVE THERE?? Are you in some kind of bondage/slavery? Are you forbidden from returning to your native country? Are there no safer countries you could live in? Call me normal, but if I found myself living in a country with a people that I thought were hellbent on killing me I would be on the next plane out of there. I have lived here something like 16 years since first setting foot here 25 years ago and I don't even recognize the Thailand you write about. Please be sure to let me know where you live so that I can avoid those areas, or at least be sure to lock my doors when driving through.

[Heng]

poor guy. Did he have any other family back home? And is it like normal for all thai guys to carry knives with them...even if they are going to a friends house (as the story reads)

Don't worry, he'll likely be acquitted if the girlfriend sticks to her side of the story. The courts here tend to be biased to living persons' testimony.

[shadscat]

my experience is that many working girls carry blades, used for cutting up tin foil and fighting, I presume their boyfriends are even more tooled up.

assume any argument in thailand can end in a fatality, there's no physical fight a falang can win here.

[thailand_tom]

Just some (surprising to me) information on murder rates

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ers-per-capita:

#1 Colombia 0.617847 per 1,000 people

#2 South Africa 0.496008 per 1,000 people

#3 Jamaica 0.324196 per 1,000 people

#4 Venezuela 0.316138 per 1,000 people

#5 Russia 0.201534 per 1,000 people

#6 Mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people

#7 Estonia 0.107277 per 1,000 people

#8 Latvia 0.10393 per 1,000 people

#9 Lithuania 0.102863 per 1,000 people

#10 Belarus 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

#11 Ukraine 0.094006 per 1,000 people

#12 Papua New Guinea 0.0838593 per 1,000 people

#13 Kyrgyzstan 0.0802565 per 1,000 people

#14 Thailand 0.0800798 per 1,000 people

#15 Moldova 0.0781145 per 1,000 people

#16 Zimbabwe 0.0749938 per 1,000 people

#17 Seychelles 0.0739025 per 1,000 people

#18 Zambia 0.070769 per 1,000 people

#19 Costa Rica 0.061006 per 1,000 people

#20 Poland 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

#21 Georgia 0.0511011 per 1,000 people

#22 Uruguay 0.045082 per 1,000 people

#23 Bulgaria 0.0445638 per 1,000 people

#24 United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people

#25 Armenia 0.0425746 per 1,000 people

#26 India 0.0344083 per 1,000 people

#27 Yemen 0.0336276 per 1,000 people

#28 Dominica 0.0289733 per 1,000 people

#29 Azerbaijan 0.0285642 per 1,000 people

#30 Finland 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

May sound snide, but my guess is that there is a higher incidence of unreported murder in less-developed countries as well.

Regardless, we all know risky behavior combined with alcohol leads to "interesting" results pretty much everywhere!

what is your stats for..foreigners here..how many foreigners..how many murdered..i say this because it would be nice to know..and we can see..if their are more being murdered..over the last 5-10 years..we keep hearing there are more foreigners here then 5-10 years ago..does anybody know the stats

If your that negative about the place then why visit here or post on a thailand based forum?

i live here dave, i have a house here dave, i am a foreigner dave, i am married to a thai for 11 years dave, are you thai dave, are you a foreigner dave, do you live in thailand dave.. if so you should ask questions. just because the guy was not from the united states like me dave, does not make me less concerned..we are all foreigners dave.. livng in a foreign country dave, and maybe we should start sticking together dave. maybe we should ask what is the government doing about this..dave..is their an increase of murders of foreigners.. do you know dave. how many foreigners live here dave..can you tell me.. i spoke last week with a thai girl who lives in pattaya. i asked her if its nice there, she told me its beautiful..except for all the foreigners..dave..i guess since your thai she was not talking about you, too. ( and this is coming from a girl who makes her money from foreigners ) if you know what i mean ...dave..

[Ed.Lee]

It is always a shocking thing when someone is killed. I ask for blessings for all those touched by this event.

Others have said that it can happen anywhere in the world and if we are truthful we all know that to be the case, unfortunate as it maybe.

It is those that are left to grieve that have the hardest time, not those that have past over.

What is the difference between panic and caution?

Forgive me for being crass but I imagine being murdered in a place not of your birth compared to being murdered in your kitchen back home doesnt really make a whole lot of difference. You are as safe as you are, no more no less, be wise by all means but one thing I know to be true, panic and fear does in no way make you safer from life and its edges.

Blessed Be

Edited July 2, 2006 by Ed.Lee

[kuhnk]

Gday Guys,

tell you what, not over a month ago I went to the Police Department to do my Visa. Of course I was a bit updressed for that, but not to much. After I went to my room Soi 3 and thought "Oh lets check my emails" ... so I went in that Internet Shop in front of the Japanese Embassy.

Checked emails, (was alone in that shop with the owner, staff ?!?!) then I went to pay. In that situation I had my document-bag under my right arm, the wallet in the left hand and picked the money out ... when the punch hit me right on my temples, my glasses flew and I thought whats going on ?!?!

Everything happend so fast but I had plenty of time for think (strange in sitations like that) and I saw this crazy thai mans face (white) comming towards me grabbing for scissors.

I stay here now 5 years, but never experienced a situation like that. I only thought darn if you fight here in his shop whatever .... and I went out of the shop as fast as possible (scaring for being stabbed in my back, because it was a sliding door) and jumped 3 to 5 meters away from the shop. Then nothing else happend and I went away. Lost my glasses because i didnt dare to go back.

I didnt tell anybody anything because what do I have to win hmmm ?

A farrang in situations like this is always lost. For the case you you slap him a bit around, or brake his bones they can tell the police everything they want .... you broke a Computer, you talked bad to them, you didnt want to pay, whatever no chance to proof for you. The other choice you have is being stabbed, but even then .... 'he told me that I..... , and I lost control", he grabbed for the money .... and so on..... they will go out without trouble .... nearly always.

Think I was very lucky, but i am really really fed up to listen about more and more attackts against farrangs.

It offends me a lot that some people here seemed to be unaware of the seriousness of the Situation

Brutus

It's a sad day when you have to allow yourself to be victimized and not be able to seek justice.

[CTM]

i guess no one cares for the numerous thai exchange students being sexually molested by their host parents? thailand is at no loss if the world comes to know about such "attacks", or as the americans would call it an ACT OF TERRORISM...

if i (a thai person) was for example physically assaulted in the USA.. the typical ignorant reply would be "get out of our country.." i speak from experience..

so im sick and tired of "farangs" from all over the world whining like infants about what goes on in this amazing home we call thailand..

hey if u dont like it, GET OUT.. or DEAL with it..

Wow! Amazing. Dumbass Racist of the Year Award for you my friend.

the typical ignorant reply would be "get out of our country.." = hey if u dont like it, GET OUT.. or DEAL with it..

Given you hate farangs and Thailand is so perfect, why did you go to America in the first place? Your the same as those you hate. LOL

[CTM]

Just some (surprising to me) information on murder rates

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ers-per-capita:

#

What I want to know is, why is the rich USA stuck in the middle of developing and third world countires.......?

Because a "minority" 10% of the population commits about 50-60% of the murders. Shhh were not supposed to talk about it. Public info in the FBI crime statistics for those who don't believe it.

[kat]

QUOTE(mdriazj @ 2006-07-02 16:44:56)

"i guess no one cares for the numerous thai exchange students being sexually molested by their host parents? thailand is at no loss if the world comes to know about such "attacks", or as the americans would call it an ACT OF TERRORISM...

if i (a thai person) was for example physically assaulted in the USA.. the typical ignorant reply would be "get out of our country.." i speak from experience..

so im sick and tired of "farangs" from all over the world whining like infants about what goes on in this amazing home we call thailand..

hey if u dont like it, GET OUT.. or DEAL with it.."

Actually, you are speaking from a very narrow and distorted sense of "experience", because there have been very high-profile cases of foreign toursists that have been killed, and outpouring of support and resolve to find the culprits.

Also, as far as the exchange program for Thai students in the states, last I heard there was an investigation underway. We have not heard anything about this investigation yet. For example, whose lax application and selection process chose the host families - Thai or American?

There is still a lot that is unanswered. I'd like to hear what a clear and unbiased investigation reveals on the matter, because unfortunately, there have been cases in the past of hysterical hi-so Thai parents making a claim of child abuse for their exchange student children when it was a gross exaggeration. This was reported in the Naiton a few months back.

So, I like to know the story from different sides before I pass judgement.

[CTM]

Whatever those smiles are ment for as far as i noticed all english teachers i came in contact with here specially when they are drunk behave like dogs, and putting myself in a thai mans shoe i would think of any farang that has come here to work as teacher in most cases so he can hang around for the women, i would be pissed that he is screwing the women of my country while they wouldnt even look at me cause i aint got money or half of his charm, as pissed as i am already if he even trys to provoke me or call me names, knowing that i am much smaller in size, i would use a weapon in that case and with a few drinks involved my emotions would vanish at the slightest thing that pisses me off.

Bottom line, my point is try to behave yourselves out there so called "english teachers" or i am pretty sure that as long as the so called "english teacher" rate is increasing here, so will the murder rate.

Huh? Why would the resentment be limited to only English teachers? If anything they hate the rich expats more as they seldom make any effort to integrate into society and Thai norms or language. Plus Thai girls aren't really "all over" farangs without money either and the starting salary requirements are much higher than for a Thai guy. I don't believe the average Thai differentiates farangs very well by class or nationality.

And Thai guys reach for weapons because that is how they fight, size has nothing to do with it. They want to win. Win big. And hurt the other person severely. You could be an 80 year old man and they will still get 12 buddies with clubs, pipes, and knives to get you.

And no, I'm not and never have been an english teacher in Thailand.

[iosufm]

In this country, it is best to be prepared. I carry pepper spray on me at all times now and never ever involve myself with any thai's who drink. The pepper spray set me back only 400 baht and clips onto the inside of my jeans. It should keep me out of the morgue, out of the Hilton, and gives me enough time to run back to my foxhole.

Again, it's not the fault of the individual Thai people. Alcoholism and acts of extreme behaviour of this frequency is a byproduct of the lack of educational infastructure in the country. Working 12 hours a day for 200 baht carries a lot of pent up frustrations readily ignited by alcohol.

[davethailand]

Just some (surprising to me) information on murder rates

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ers-per-capita:

#1 Colombia 0.617847 per 1,000 people

#2 South Africa 0.496008 per 1,000 people

#3 Jamaica 0.324196 per 1,000 people

#4 Venezuela 0.316138 per 1,000 people

#5 Russia 0.201534 per 1,000 people

#6 Mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people

#7 Estonia 0.107277 per 1,000 people

#8 Latvia 0.10393 per 1,000 people

#9 Lithuania 0.102863 per 1,000 people

#10 Belarus 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

#11 Ukraine 0.094006 per 1,000 people

#12 Papua New Guinea 0.0838593 per 1,000 people

#13 Kyrgyzstan 0.0802565 per 1,000 people

#14 Thailand 0.0800798 per 1,000 people

#15 Moldova 0.0781145 per 1,000 people

#16 Zimbabwe 0.0749938 per 1,000 people

#17 Seychelles 0.0739025 per 1,000 people

#18 Zambia 0.070769 per 1,000 people

#19 Costa Rica 0.061006 per 1,000 people

#20 Poland 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

#21 Georgia 0.0511011 per 1,000 people

#22 Uruguay 0.045082 per 1,000 people

#23 Bulgaria 0.0445638 per 1,000 people

#24 United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people

#25 Armenia 0.0425746 per 1,000 people

#26 India 0.0344083 per 1,000 people

#27 Yemen 0.0336276 per 1,000 people

#28 Dominica 0.0289733 per 1,000 people

#29 Azerbaijan 0.0285642 per 1,000 people

#30 Finland 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

May sound snide, but my guess is that there is a higher incidence of unreported murder in less-developed countries as well.

Regardless, we all know risky behavior combined with alcohol leads to "interesting" results pretty much everywhere!

what is your stats for..foreigners here..how many foreigners..how many murdered..i say this because it would be nice to know..and we can see..if their are more being murdered..over the last 5-10 years..we keep hearing there are more foreigners here then 5-10 years ago..does anybody know the stats

If your that negative about the place then why visit here or post on a thailand based forum?

i live here dave, i have a house here dave, i am a foreigner dave, i am married to a thai for 11 years dave, are you thai dave, are you a foreigner dave, do you live in thailand dave.. if so you should ask questions. just because the guy was not from the united states like me dave, does not make me less concerned..we are all foreigners dave.. livng in a foreign country dave, and maybe we should start sticking together dave. maybe we should ask what is the government doing about this..dave..is their an increase of murders of foreigners.. do you know dave. how many foreigners live here dave..can you tell me.. i spoke last week with a thai girl who lives in pattaya. i asked her if its nice there, she told me its beautiful..except for all the foreigners..dave..i guess since your thai she was not talking about you, too. ( and this is coming from a girl who makes her money from foreigners ) if you know what i mean ...dave..

Does that make you an expert then?

i spoke last week with a thai girl who lives in pattaya. i asked her if its nice there, she told me its beautiful..except for all the foreigners..

And???? does her input mean anything?

Do your homework on this forum and you'll see that I live here Tom, I have a house here Tom, I have a wife here Tom, I have a business here Tom, I have a work permit here Tom, I'm also English tom.

with regards to sticking together!! I stick together with those that are important to me only.

Recent murders here regarding farangs were planned IMO.

Cheers

Dave......Tom

[mbiggs]

My condolences go out to the mans family. It seems to me that the crime against farangs is becomming more and more common.

What Thailand needs ASAP is to follow Singapores example. I understand that Thailand is supposed to have the death penalty for murder, drug traffiking etc.

I think that before they ruin the tourist industry, they need to come down hard and for such a crime they need to use the death penalty fast and sharp like Singapore. That will soon deter crime.

[Thaistyx]

Because a "minority" 10% of the population commits about 50-60% of the murders. Shhh were not supposed to talk about it. Public info in the FBI crime statistics for those who don't believe it.

And that the 10% minority comprise of 55% to 60% of the jailed population!

[soki]

Just some (surprising to me) information on murder rates

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ers-per-capita:

#1 Colombia 0.617847 per 1,000 people

#2 South Africa 0.496008 per 1,000 people

#3 Jamaica 0.324196 per 1,000 people

#4 Venezuela 0.316138 per 1,000 people

#5 Russia 0.201534 per 1,000 people

#6 Mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people

#7 Estonia 0.107277 per 1,000 people

#8 Latvia 0.10393 per 1,000 people

#9 Lithuania 0.102863 per 1,000 people

#10 Belarus 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

#11 Ukraine 0.094006 per 1,000 people

#12 Papua New Guinea 0.0838593 per 1,000 people

#13 Kyrgyzstan 0.0802565 per 1,000 people

#14 Thailand 0.0800798 per 1,000 people

#15 Moldova 0.0781145 per 1,000 people

#16 Zimbabwe 0.0749938 per 1,000 people

#17 Seychelles 0.0739025 per 1,000 people

#18 Zambia 0.070769 per 1,000 people

#19 Costa Rica 0.061006 per 1,000 people

#20 Poland 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

#21 Georgia 0.0511011 per 1,000 people

#22 Uruguay 0.045082 per 1,000 people

#23 Bulgaria 0.0445638 per 1,000 people

#24 United States 0.042802 per 1,000 people

#25 Armenia 0.0425746 per 1,000 people

#26 India 0.0344083 per 1,000 people

#27 Yemen 0.0336276 per 1,000 people

#28 Dominica 0.0289733 per 1,000 people

#29 Azerbaijan 0.0285642 per 1,000 people

#30 Finland 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)

May sound snide, but my guess is that there is a higher incidence of unreported murder in less-developed countries as well.

Regardless, we all know risky behavior combined with alcohol leads to "interesting" results pretty much everywhere!

what is your stats for..foreigners here..how many foreigners..how many murdered..i say this because it would be nice to know..and we can see..if their are more being murdered..over the last 5-10 years..we keep hearing there are more foreigners here then 5-10 years ago..does anybody know the stats

If your that negative about the place then why visit here or post on a thailand based forum?

i live here dave, i have a house here dave, i am a foreigner dave, i am married to a thai for 11 years dave, are you thai dave, are you a foreigner dave, do you live in thailand dave.. if so you should ask questions. just because the guy was not from the united states like me dave, does not make me less concerned..we are all foreigners dave.. livng in a foreign country dave, and maybe we should start sticking together dave. maybe we should ask what is the government doing about this..dave..is their an increase of murders of foreigners.. do you know dave. how many foreigners live here dave..can you tell me.. i spoke last week with a thai girl who lives in pattaya. i asked her if its nice there, she told me its beautiful..except for all the foreigners..dave..i guess since your thai she was not talking about you, too. ( and this is coming from a girl who makes her money from foreigners ) if you know what i mean ...dave..

Does that make you an expert then?

i spoke last week with a thai girl who lives in pattaya. i asked her if its nice there, she told me its beautiful..except for all the foreigners..

And???? does her input mean anything?

Do your homework on this forum and you'll see that I live here Tom, I have a house here Tom, I have a wife here Tom, I have a business here Tom, I have a work permit here Tom, I'm also English tom.

with regards to sticking together!! I stick together with those that are important to me only.

Recent murders here regarding farangs were planned IMO.

Cheers

Dave......Tom

......and most probably all made possible for you because you have a THAI wife , no doubt? wonder how the wife must feel and think about comments made about her country and the folk of Thailand or is it not just that important what with the good lady thinks /feels as she is a Thai after all?.

Are negatitive comments made about Thailand made because the underline problem is that the people who make them are unhappy because their own lives are in turmoil and its so easy to direct the blame to others ?, my experience of Thailand has so far been that the happy folk (expats) who have made a good and peaceful life here and are content with their families and in their marriages will listen to all openions and smile.