You are severely confused, as usual. Just what is causing your confusion is unknown to me. Anyway, speaking of Kevin Roose, and the interview you mention here..... I ALREADY POSTED THE LINK to this interview, which originates at the NYT, the podcast, in the OP, in the TOPIC above. If you prefer to listen to the exact same interview, but on some god-forsaken Apple platform, then be my guest. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/03/podcasts/the-daily/ai-openai-hugging-face-rogue-model.html? Personally, I prefer to listen to NYT podcasts on the NYT Platform...if it's all the same to you. But, Keven Roose is providing a second-hand account, AFTER reading the report by Ms. ALEYA COTRA, the Indian girl, the smart Indian girl, I already mentioned. The best place to get more detailed information, directly from the writer of the report and analysis, is, as I previously stated, from THIS interview with Ms. COTRA: Are we clear now? I am clear. So, really, I am just asking if your are still confused...