Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget: report

[mrtoad]

My vife supports the red shirts.

Personally I do not like that a democratically elected government is overthrown.

Many comments here shows a citydump proletarian mentality.

There was nothing Democratic about a government run by a fugitive stealing money left right and centre.

[ginjag]

My vife supports the red shirts.

Personally I do not like that a democratically elected government is overthrown.

Many comments here shows a citydump proletarian mentality.

Persons coming on here with just a few posts and know so much---problem the rhetoric is the same, doesn't sound like a newbie to me.

[2fishin2]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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[mrtoad]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting he is solely responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. Nice attempt to try and look smart. 1/10

[Cuchulainn]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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Y'all come back real soon, y'hear?

[arjunadawn]

That's a fine thing to say to win brownie points, keep up the nice guy image (he believes) HE is the main sharag and instigator ---what a false face he wears. pewk.

Ditto!

This is actually a statesman-like action, and this is the problem; there is no history of statesman-like behavior. Left with few options, this was his best. With remaining time, decreased impetus, family name impugned, he has few options other than to appear magnanimous, and wise, and forgiving. This may also be his only insidious way to later seek amnesty; a diplomatic vehicle. However, this act will also neutralize many objections to him, and further empower and polish his image among some people; thus he could be brought back to life again. It is incredulous to accept a man of his age could so fundamentally change his nature.

[tbthailand]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

you have a lot more posts than I do, so you should know that people here just hate him.

Even if he is not the real problem.

The real problem is the hate...

for this forum, I agree

for Thailand, I don't agree. Not that there isn't too much of it in the world.

[dukebowling]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

you have a lot more posts than I do, so you should know that people here just hate him.

Even if he is not the real problem.

The real problem is the hate...

Actually the real problem here is some disciple posting absolute crap (half-truths & lies) and then trying to defend it.

Just a smattering of examples of the lies:

The Skytrain was started before Thaksin came to power (early 90's) and he did his best to prevent the BMA expanding it to cross the river and extend to Bearing.

The economic recovery from 1997 started in 1998 and was well under way BT (before Thaksin). He did f'all to clear up the FIDF debts of B1.1tn.

MCOT wasn't privatised. PTT was partially privatised.

He certainly didn't 'introduce' Islamic law.

No crackdown on any mafia. Chalerm and many others are still operating. He did give the BIB a free pass to kill c2,500 'drug dealers' which did nothing for Thailand's drug problem but did result in the deaths of many innocents.

Most of the rest is unproven BS.

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

Edited August 17, 2014 by dukebowling

[tbthailand]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

you have a lot more posts than I do, so you should know that people here just hate him.

Even if he is not the real problem.

The real problem is the hate...

Actually the real problem here is some disciple posting absolute crap (half-truths & lies) and then trying to defend it.

Just a smattering of examples of the lies:

The Skytrain was started before Thaksin came to power (early 90's) and he did his best to prevent the BMA expanding it to cross the river and extend to Bearing.

The economic recovery from 1997 started in 1998 and was well under way BT (before Thaksin). He did f'all to clear up the FIDF debts of B1.1tn.

MCOT wasn't privatised. PTT was partially privatised.

He certainly didn't 'introduce' Islamic law.

No crackdown on any mafia. Chalerm and many others are still operating. He did give the BIB a free pass to kill c2,500 'drug dealers' which did nothing for Thailand's drug problem but did result in the deaths of many innocents.

Most of the rest is unproven BS.

"most of the rest" is pretty accurate, or how would you describe the healthcare, reducing poverty and balancing the budget? Fiction?

[arjunadawn]

My vife supports the red shirts.

Personally I do not like that a democratically elected government is overthrown.

Many comments here shows a citydump proletarian mentality.

Your mind clearly betrays you. Your first two suggestions indicate red support; okay.

"Proletarian mentality" by definition, would pertain to red party; its foundation arguably the lower working folks.

Your attempt to impugn the posters on TV by, I presume, the pejorative "Proletarian mentality," only succeeded in revealing your ignorance.

[Skywalker69]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Paid troll.

Yes, we know you are a paid troll.

Whom are we?

[ginjag]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting he is solely responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. Nice attempt to try and look smart. 1/10

M.T

This is another one with few posts coming on strongly -not wanting the convicts name smearing-- sorry he smeared it himself.

[rametindallas]

A lot of the charges are frivolous, and should have been thrown out by the courts years ago.

Reminds me of that silly bunch of Republicans trying to impeach Bill Clinton, as if no Republican ever cheated on his wife.

Why make the statement now? got to get his name in the news as people are already forgetting him?

Bill Clinton, my second favorite POTUS of the 20th century (fav was Truman), was impeached for lying under oath and not for getting a BJ in the Oval Office. Wikipedia might help you unless you are just into repeating Democratic talking points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment

[Fullstop]

Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget

The face saving version of..."Give it up, we've lost"

[khunken]

you have a lot more posts than I do, so you should know that people here just hate him.

Even if he is not the real problem.

The real problem is the hate...

Actually the real problem here is some disciple posting absolute crap (half-truths & lies) and then trying to defend it.

Just a smattering of examples of the lies:

The Skytrain was started before Thaksin came to power (early 90's) and he did his best to prevent the BMA expanding it to cross the river and extend to Bearing.

The economic recovery from 1997 started in 1998 and was well under way BT (before Thaksin). He did f'all to clear up the FIDF debts of B1.1tn.

MCOT wasn't privatised. PTT was partially privatised.

He certainly didn't 'introduce' Islamic law.

No crackdown on any mafia. Chalerm and many others are still operating. He did give the BIB a free pass to kill c2,500 'drug dealers' which did nothing for Thailand's drug problem but did result in the deaths of many innocents.

Most of the rest is unproven BS.

"most of the rest" is pretty accurate, or how would you describe the healthcare, reducing poverty and balancing the budget? Fiction?

Yes, fiction for the last two. I do give him credit for introducing the B30 health scheme. It's a pity that he didn't fund it properly however.

[rametindallas]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

*this message brought to you by Amsterdam and Associates.

[mrtoad]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting he is solely responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. Nice attempt to try and look smart. 1/10

M.T

This is another one with few posts coming on strongly -not wanting the convicts name smearing-- sorry he smeared it himself.

Seems there is a return of a few "old members" with new names posting the same old stuff about The DL and how he saved Thailand.

[Skywalker69]

Does this have anything to do with the news yesterday about the red shirt terrorist was sponsoerd from someone abroad?

[dukebowling]

Wow, what did Thaksin do wrong to receive all this negativity?

Seems like a nice airport.

Skytrain is pretty cool.

The 30 baht per visit medical program seems to help many in need.

Everyone benefited from the economic recovery from the 1997 Asian financial crisis.

Reducing poverty from 21.3% to 11.3% is a good thing I think.

Balancing the national budget and producing fiscal surpluses for 2003 to 2005 would be considered fiscally responsible.

Foreign exchange reserves doubling seems like a success.

Government Lottery for education would have not only reduced illegal gambling, but provided education for those in need.

Privatizing MCOT and increasing freedom of speech seems like a move in the right direction.

Student Loan Fund (SLF) helping low income students get an education with low interest rates was nice.

Supporting Nicholas Negroponte's One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project was a cool idea.

Wholesale power pool competition in the energy markets lowering these costs would tend to benefit the people.

Introducing Islamic law and making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) an official language in southern region seemed like a start to help reduce conflict there.

Transformation of the government department, ministries, and provincial governors operating style of the traditional bureaucracy into a more results-oriented instrument would have been awesome.

Crackdown on mafia crime was long overdue.

Profit agreements with Cambodia on the huge oil potential in the gulf of Thailand could have made Thailand energy independent.

Paid troll.

Yes, we know you are a paid troll.

Whom are we?

General term referring to obviousness from the public's perception.

Edited August 17, 2014 by dukebowling

[ginjag]

Does this have anything to do with the news yesterday about the red shirt terrorist was sponsoerd from someone abroad?

Answering who mate ????

[khunken]

you have a lot more posts than I do, so you should know that people here just hate him.

Even if he is not the real problem.

The real problem is the hate...

Actually the real problem here is some disciple posting absolute crap (half-truths & lies) and then trying to defend it.

Just a smattering of examples of the lies:

The Skytrain was started before Thaksin came to power (early 90's) and he did his best to prevent the BMA expanding it to cross the river and extend to Bearing.

The economic recovery from 1997 started in 1998 and was well under way BT (before Thaksin). He did f'all to clear up the FIDF debts of B1.1tn.

MCOT wasn't privatised. PTT was partially privatised.

He certainly didn't 'introduce' Islamic law.

No crackdown on any mafia. Chalerm and many others are still operating. He did give the BIB a free pass to kill c2,500 'drug dealers' which did nothing for Thailand's drug problem but did result in the deaths of many innocents.

Most of the rest is unproven BS.

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

[Eric Loh]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

[ginjag]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Quote. "All he asked was pretty much generous and humble" Surely you are joking ?? sick is this crawling creep of a runaway.

[2fishin2]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting he is solely responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. Nice attempt to try and look smart. 1/10

Actually there are many people (must have lived in thailand too long) that constantly run their mouths as he is the sole reason. Fact of the matter thailand is a miltary state now, has been and always will be. Thats why there is a clause in "this week's constitution" that allows the military to at anytime overthrow a government. Who knows what the nest coup's constitution will bring?

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[Cuchulainn]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

[ginjag]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting he is solely responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. Nice attempt to try and look smart. 1/10

Actually there are many people (must have lived in thailand too long) that constantly run their mouths as he is the sole reason. Fact of the matter thailand is a miltary state now, has been and always will be. Thats why there is a clause in "this week's constitution" that allows the military to at anytime overthrow a government. Who knows what the nest coup's constitution will bring?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

I will run my mouth then, If a government is not governing democratically and elections do NOT /Or/cannot rectify then so be it until elections do rectify.

[mrtoad]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin, generous and humble??? They are not words normally associated with said person.

Tony Blair is another one from the same mold.

There you go

[dukebowling]

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

Sorry, I accidentally submitted an unfinished post.

Thaksin's approval for the extension can be found here:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2005/11/05/national/data/national_19072820.html

This was dependent on the fare not increasing. When the BMA wanted to raise the fare, Thaksin disagreed.

So Thaksin should be responsible for the FIDF's debt and it's accumulation to date?

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes?

"There is no evidence" precedes any weak argument. Group that with, "Apparently" and "According to"…

A popular logical fallacy here on this forum:

Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself.

Edited August 17, 2014 by dukebowling

[Eric Loh]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

[Eric Loh]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin, generous and humble??? They are not words normally associated with said person.

Tony Blair is another one from the same mold.

There you go

So they are but TB did not have his term terminated by a coup and neither was he charged in a kangaroo court.