1400 children sexually exploited in UK town Rotherham: report

[jacky54]

Islam is not the excuse it's the reason, all but Muslims, apologists, and it seems some ex Muslims know this.

Edited November 18, 2014 by jacky54

[nontabury]

strange then not one interview with a muslim victim.

Although interviews were not conducted for many years by the responsible agencies, the Rotherham report does mention a number of interviews were conducted with Muslim victims. The report also states the following:

• The appeal of organised sexual exploitation for Asian gangs had changed. In the past, it had been for their personal gratification, whereas now it offered 'career and financial opportunities to young Asian men who got involved’

• Good work was done by officers in developing a protocol on child protection issues in the mosques in 2008. Each mosque appointed a designated person responsible for child protection, and training was provided for imams and others. The current chair of the Rotherham Council of Mosques had made strenuous efforts to widen representation on his Council to include women and demonstrated a strong personal commitment to dealing with child protection and CSE. He was disappointed not to have had any contact from the Safeguarding Board in the past, but was encouraged by recent discussions.

As 7x7 has requested, please provide evidence / reports that the sexual abuse crimes were minimised by offenders, using Islam as an excuse. Yes passages in the Koran support sexual slavery and so on as a punishment in times of conflict, As far as I am aware not in civil society for which Sharia Law articulates the death penalty, even though requirement for evidence is weighed against the victim.

Who are these officers who have carried out good work?. You must also relies that there was a

Political slant to the official report, one of the important aims was to minimise

The religiously and racial aspect of this latest report. I say latest report, as there were three previously reports, that for some reason were kept quite from the general public.

[Jay Sata]

For those that don't believe there is a two tier politically correct system in place this story from todays BBC website is worth reading.

This relates to the take of and Muslim indoctrination at schools in Birmingham.

A council's failure to respond to a damning report on the Trojan Horse scandal has been labelled "astonishing" by the head of Ofsted.

Sir Michael Wilshaw called for "greater urgency" from Birmingham City Council and the Department for Education (DfE).

He also warned the scandal - in which Muslim groups were accused of trying to take control of a number of Birmingham schools - may not be over.

The DfE said any action would "unfortunately take a while".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30090859

Brushing it all under the carpet because of religion.

If this elsewhere problem would be solved rapidly.

We also have the shocking news today that police don't bother to record one in five sex offences.

More than a quarter of sex offences are not being recorded as crimes by police in England and Wales, a watchdog says.

An HM Inspectorate of Constabulary report said the failure to record crime properly was "indefensible".

More than 800,000 - or one in five - of all reported crimes went unrecorded each year, it said.

Home Secretary Theresa May described the findings as "utterly unacceptable", but police representatives said the situation had improved since the study.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30081682

Edited November 18, 2014 by Jay Sata

[Jay Sata]

One must question why In Manchester out of 13,000 reported cases of major sexual offences against under-16s in the past six years there have been only 1,000 convictions.

Meanwhile,there was ridiculous story in the papers a few days ago,where an old lady had a visit from two police officers because she had a black knitted monkey in her window.

It appears no one had complained yet it warranted a visit from two uniformed plods.

"The officers were unsure as to what the object was so knocked on the door of the home and asked the woman what it was.

"She told officers it was a gorilla she had knitted which she displays in her front window.

"After establishing that the object was in fact a hand-made knitted gorilla and nothing offensive the officers left and carried on their patrols.

Anne Feast explained knitting was her main hobby, she has suitcases full of her creations and regularly changed her window display to entertain passersby

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/police-quiz-gran-over-racially-4643771

It is a pity they cannot put as much effort in to chasing real criminals.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Jay Sata

[boomerangutang]

Perhaps the British problem shares some relation to the problems in these 3 countries:

>>> Nigeria. Over 200 young girls kidnapped. Claims are now, they converted to Islam and many of the girls have purportedly 'married' their abductors/tormentors.

>>> parts of Syria and Iraq, where IS members force young women and girls to 'marry.'

The above references have Muslim extremists using the word 'marriage' to thinly-disguise child-rape.

Some givens: most men are horny. Often, they can't readily get wives or girlfriends. Men lust after young teens. Most places and religions have safeguards in place to protect young teens. However, certain interpretations of Islam allow young teens to be exploited for what is essentially child-rape. In sum: if a man wants to rape young teenage girls, he might go to join a group of Muslim fundamentalists, because child rape is allowed within that belief system. Does UK fall within that category? I don't know, but the signs are foreboding.

In east-central Africa, groups of armed men will go in a village and rape every female between 10 and 35. They're essentially doing what Muslim fundamentalists are doing, but the Africans don't try to hide behind the trappings of religion or marriage, while raping.

Edited November 18, 2014 by boomerangutang

[jacky54]

1.30- the prophet is the role model we follow, he married Aisha at six and had sex with her when she was nine, there you go.

[simple1]

strange then not one interview with a muslim victim.

Although interviews were not conducted for many years by the responsible agencies, the Rotherham report does mention a number of interviews were conducted with Muslim victims. The report also states the following:

• The appeal of organised sexual exploitation for Asian gangs had changed. In the past, it had been for their personal gratification, whereas now it offered 'career and financial opportunities to young Asian men who got involved’

• Good work was done by officers in developing a protocol on child protection issues in the mosques in 2008. Each mosque appointed a designated person responsible for child protection, and training was provided for imams and others. The current chair of the Rotherham Council of Mosques had made strenuous efforts to widen representation on his Council to include women and demonstrated a strong personal commitment to dealing with child protection and CSE. He was disappointed not to have had any contact from the Safeguarding Board in the past, but was encouraged by recent discussions.

As 7x7 has requested, please provide evidence / reports that the sexual abuse crimes were minimised by offenders, using Islam as an excuse. Yes passages in the Koran support sexual slavery and so on as a punishment in times of conflict, As far as I am aware not in civil society for which Sharia Law articulates the death penalty, even though requirement for evidence is weighed against the victim.

Who are these officers who have carried out good work?. You must also relies that there was a

Political slant to the official report, one of the important aims was to minimise

The religiously and racial aspect of this latest report. I say latest report, as there were three previously reports, that for some reason were kept quite from the general public.

If I understand the report correctly the officers were from:

http://www.rscb.org.uk/safeguarding/homepage/43/child_sexual_exploitation

Personally Ido not concur with your view that an important aim was to minimise religious & racial aspects; that would be antithesis for the aims of the report. The report does quote in a fair amount of detail from case files and issues highlighted from reviewing previous reports.

[boomerangutang]

At the very last line of that video, the guy asks the question; "who says all me are voracious wolves?"

My answer: I don't say all men are voracious wolves, but Muslim fundamentalists take the prize for having more voracious wolves than any other group, except perhaps the east-central African gang rapers I referred to in my above-post.

I have been a step-dad to about 20 children at various times. Half of which were female. I do/did all I can to protect those kids, particularly from sexual predators. I do the same for any kids, particularly young females, in my neighborhood. That's part of the role of being a man: is to try and protect kids as much as possible. Our jobs are made harder by Muslim fundamentalists and others who prey on children. Thankfully for me, the only Muslims in my area are animal farmers, and they seem very decent. It would sadden me if I resided in places like Rotherham and felt helpless to try and protect youngsters. Where were the kids' parents? Where were their public servants (cops and social workers)? It sounds like they were all asleep at the wheel, or afraid to offend any Muslims.

[jacky54]

It is a fact that the prophet raped slaves and his nine year old bride. It is also a fact that all Muslims regard the prophet as the perfect man and a role model. It is a fact that the koran condones the rape of slaves and unbelievers, and yet some can see no connection with the Rotherham abuse and widespread rape and torture and trafficking of children in the UK by Muslims, I find this incredulous.

[Jay Sata]

According to a database of British Islam only two out of 1,700 mosques in Britain follow modernist interpretations of the Koran.

The largest single group is the Deobandi. It controls around 45 per cent of Britains mosques and nearly all the UK-based training of Islamic scholars. What most Deobandi scholars have in common is a conservative interpretation of Islamic law: television and music for the purposes of entertainment, for example, are frowned upon if not banned. Women are advised not to emerge from their homes any more than is necessary.

The culture of the Deobandis has raised the orthodoxy bar for Britains other Muslim networks. The first generation of Sufi women who came from Pakistan tended to throw a shawl loosely over their heads when they left the house. Their pious daughters and granddaughters are more likely to show not a single hair in public. Among Britains main Islamic groups, only the Ismaili followers of the Aga Khan believe there is no obligation to wear the veil.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9230671/who-runs-our-mosques/

[7by7]

Yes, police response to reports of sexual exploitation and child rape has been appalling; as has been their response to many other crimes.

But that poor response has not been solely limited to sex crimes where the perpetrators were Muslim; they are just as guilty of poor responses when the perpetrators have not been Muslims.

I see that Jacky54 and Jay Sata have yet to provide any evidence that those guilty in Rotherham have ever tried to use their religion to justify their crime; a, obviously heavily edited, YouTube video does not do that. Though you do seem to have missed the bit at the beginning where he talks about the modern difference in the minimum age for marriage, i.e. the contract, and the much older minimum age for consummating that marriage.

Not that I condone child marriage, even when the marriage is not consummated until the bride is old enough; I don't. But many cultures, not just Muslim ones, practice this.

Certain posters refuse to believe that Muslim girls are also the victims of these gangs. Perhaps they will believe the Daily Mail; Gangs of Asian men are grooming underage MUSLIM girls too, plying them with drink and drugs while promising marriage

Older men target girls within their own Asian and Muslim communities

Gangs rely on sense of shame and honour to ensure their victims' silence

Victims to frightened to speak about because they fear not being believed

Youngsters raped, severely beaten and burnt with cigarettes

BTW, fundamentalist Muslims are not the only religious group to condone child brides; read the Book of Mormon. Have a read of Help the Child Brides, too.

Then there is the following, sourced from Judeo-Christian-Islamic Scriptures That Promote Pedophilia and Child Marriage

Jewish law sanctifies child marriage of girls as young as 12 and boys as young as 13 (Rich). An ancient Jewish scripture called the Mishnah decrees that “A girl three years and a day is betrothed by intercourse,” therefore the law allows men to marry girls as young as 3 if they have sex with the girls (Weinberg & Margalit, 2007). The Mishnah is thought to be the first Rabbinical text and is considered a major part of Jewish law.
(My emphasis)

Of course, no modern day Jew would do such a thing unless they were sick and perverted; just as no modern day Muslim would do so unless they, too, were just as sick and perverted.

Muslim religious leaders condemn child sex grooming

Muslim heads condemn jailed Telford sex abuse gang

Finally, The real scandal in Rotherham is that social work doesn't work

Time and again, when a scandal such as Rotherham is revealed, we cry out, ‘How could our social services have let this happen?’ We should ask ourselves a more fundamental question: does social work actually work? The report from Rotherham suggests that social workers haven’t learned much in the last 30 years, and that the answer is still ‘not very well’.

[nontabury]

Yes, police response to reports of sexual exploitation and child rape has been appalling; as has been their response to many other crimes.

But that poor response has not been solely limited to sex crimes where the perpetrators were Muslim; they are just as guilty of poor responses when the perpetrators have not been Muslims.

I see that Jacky54 and Jay Sata have yet to provide any evidence that those guilty in Rotherham have ever tried to use their religion to justify their crime; a, obviously heavily edited, YouTube video does not do that. Though you do seem to have missed the bit at the beginning where he talks about the modern difference in the minimum age for marriage, i.e. the contract, and the much older minimum age for consummating that marriage.

Not that I condone child marriage, even when the marriage is not consummated until the bride is old enough; I don't. But many cultures, not just Muslim ones, practice this.

Certain posters refuse to believe that Muslim girls are also the victims of these gangs. Perhaps they will believe the Daily Mail; Gangs of Asian men are grooming underage MUSLIM girls too, plying them with drink and drugs while promising marriage

Older men target girls within their own Asian and Muslim communities

Gangs rely on sense of shame and honour to ensure their victims' silence

Victims to frightened to speak about because they fear not being believed

Youngsters raped, severely beaten and burnt with cigarettes

BTW, fundamentalist Muslims are not the only religious group to condone child brides; read the Book of Mormon. Have a read of Help the Child Brides, too.

Then there is the following, sourced from Judeo-Christian-Islamic Scriptures That Promote Pedophilia and Child Marriage

Jewish law sanctifies child marriage of girls as young as 12 and boys as young as 13 (Rich). An ancient Jewish scripture called the Mishnah decrees that “A girl three years and a day is betrothed by intercourse,” therefore the law allows men to marry girls as young as 3 if they have sex with the girls (Weinberg & Margalit, 2007). The Mishnah is thought to be the first Rabbinical text and is considered a major part of Jewish law.

(My emphasis)

Of course, no modern day Jew would do such a thing unless they were sick and perverted; just as no modern day Muslim would do so unless they, too, were just as sick and perverted.

Muslim religious leaders condemn child sex grooming

Muslim heads condemn jailed Telford sex abuse gang

Finally, The real scandal in Rotherham is that social work doesn't work

Time and again, when a scandal such as Rotherham is revealed, we cry out, ‘How could our social services have let this happen?’ We should ask ourselves a more fundamental question: does social work actually work? The report from Rotherham suggests that social workers haven’t learned much in the last 30 years, and that the answer is still ‘not very well’.

Some good referrals there 7by7, unfortunately cannot read the one in the Daily mail, due to the Thai censor.

It would seem that other religions other than Islam, also have a dark underbelly, though I don't know if, believers in the other religions actually Target children of a different race and religion, as has been the case with these muslim animals in many northern towns.

Regarding the social workers in Rotherham, obviously they failed these children, yet they still had time to snatch away Forster children who just happened to live with UKIP supporters.

The mind boggles.

[Jay Sata]

7by7 seems ill informed in thinking that Pakistani Muslim men think of women in as we do in a civilised society where we are all equal.

There are around 1,700 mosques in Britain but only a handful follow modernist interpretations of the Koran.

The largest single group is the Deobandi. It controls around 45 per cent of Britains mosques and nearly all the UK-based training of Islamic scholars.

Deobandis preach a distorted utopia of "pure" Islam ,disrespectful of other faiths and condemning Islamic interpretations with which they differ. Deobandism, like Wahhabism, is harshly restrictive of women's rights.

Women are advised not to emerge from their homes any more than is necessary and are made to cover up in either a Burqa or a niqab.

Muslim wives are inferior to their husbands and are managed and controlled because Muhammads viewpoint of women was that they "lack self-control"

For their own good, and societies good, they must be subordinate to and managed by their husbands. Wives must obey.

Western women's dress style is frowned on to say the least.

I have no doubt in my mind that the mentality of the men who have been involved in these cases saw these young girls as low life kafirs.

No doubt I be castigated for suggesting the above but if you want hard facts then read this from today's Bradford Argus

A TEAM set up to protect Bradford children from sexual abuse is dealing with up to 100 suspected cases at any one time, councillors will be told.

A report drawn up in the wake of the exploitation scandal in Rotherham lays bare the scale of the task facing the city councils inter-agency hub.

It notes that a recent Ofsted inspection praised the close working of police, social care and Barnardos within the hub as a particular strength.

But it adds: "Operational data shows that the number of high and medium risk cases managed through the hub is between 60 and 100 at any one time.

"As of June 2014, the ethnic profile of perpetrators shows a significant majority of perpetrators are of British-Pakistani heritage."

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11607997.Specialist_team_to_protect_Bradford_children_from_sexual_abuse_is_dealing_with_up_to_100_suspected_cases_at_any_one_time/?ref=mr

In the Lancashire Telegraph today we have this

A 28-year-old man has appeared before Blackburn magistrates charged with sexual grooming and related offences.

Rezahul Shastab, 28, of Dane Street, Burnley, is also charged with possessing a false Bangladeshi passport bearing his name with the intention of establishing personal information about himself and seeking to obtain leave to remain in the UK by submitting the false passport.http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnley/11603289.Burnley_man_in_court_on_sex_charges_involving_15_year_old_girl/

Edited November 18, 2014 by Jay Sata

[nontabury]

7by7 seems ill informed in thinking that Pakistani Muslim men think of women in as we do in a civilised society where we are all equal.

There are around 1,700 mosques in Britain but only a handful follow modernist interpretations of the Koran.

The largest single group is the Deobandi. It controls around 45 per cent of Britains mosques and nearly all the UK-based training of Islamic scholars.

Deobandis preach a distorted utopia of "pure" Islam ,disrespectful of other faiths and condemning Islamic interpretations with which they differ. Deobandism, like Wahhabism, is harshly restrictive of women's rights.

Women are advised not to emerge from their homes any more than is necessary and are made to cover up in either a Burqa or a niqab.

Muslim wives are inferior to their husbands and are managed and controlled because Muhammads viewpoint of women was that they "lack self-control"

For their own good, and societies good, they must be subordinate to and managed by their husbands. Wives must obey.

Western women's dress style is frowned on to say the least.

I have no doubt in my mind that the mentality of the men who have been involved in these cases saw these young girls as low life kafirs.

No doubt I be castigated for suggesting the above but if you want hard facts then read this from today's Bradford Argus

A TEAM set up to protect Bradford children from sexual abuse is dealing with up to 100 suspected cases at any one time, councillors will be told.

A report drawn up in the wake of the exploitation scandal in Rotherham lays bare the scale of the task facing the city councils inter-agency hub.

It notes that a recent Ofsted inspection praised the close working of police, social care and Barnardos within the hub as a particular strength.

But it adds: "Operational data shows that the number of high and medium risk cases managed through the hub is between 60 and 100 at any one time.

"As of June 2014, the ethnic profile of perpetrators shows a significant majority of perpetrators are of British-Pakistani heritage."

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11607997.Specialist_team_to_protect_Bradford_children_from_sexual_abuse_is_dealing_with_up_to_100_suspected_cases_at_any_one_time/?ref=mr

In the Lancashire Telegraph today we have this

A 28-year-old man has appeared before Blackburn magistrates charged with sexual grooming and related offences.

Rezahul Shastab, 28, of Dane Street, Burnley, is also charged with possessing a false Bangladeshi passport bearing his name with the intention of establishing personal information about himself and seeking to obtain leave to remain in the UK by submitting the false passport.http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/burnley/11603289.Burnley_man_in_court_on_sex_charges_involving_15_year_old_girl/

Also noted in both the Bradford and the Lancashire papers, other stories regarding further sexual abuse by Pakistani so called men. What the hell has become of England, thanks to the open door policies of Tony WMD Blair and Gordon Bigot Brown, able supported by the readers of the Guardian and the Independent, who usually come from the middle class, and generally reside in the leafy suburbs, a million miles away from the lower classes.

[7by7]

For a brief view on the Muslim attitude to women, see Attitudes towards women. Certainly the men of Pakistani heritage I know do not consider women beneath them and the women of the same heritage would fight tooth and nail anyone who did!

This, though, is interesting: It is a culture of child sexualisation, not Pakistani attitudes, that puts girls at risk

On the BBC news a representative from the Pakistani community condemned these abuse cases. They were particularly evil, he said, because they had a racial element. Why? Having sex with a child is a ninth-circle-of-hell sort of offence anyway – does it make any difference if it’s racially motivated? If these girls had been Pakistani would the equality Gestapo have shrugged and said “well, at least there wasn’t a racial element”?

Excellent question; whether or not one believes there was a racial element.

The people who think that only Pakistani men abuse or organise the mass abuse of children have obviously not been paying attention to the news.

'I watched Tory MP MURDER a boy during depraved Westminster VIP party' for example.

[Jay Sata]

Well it must be me then.

The only common thread I can find is the majority of the members of these so called sex grooming gangs were Pakistani.

I suppose the other option is to blame the girls who were in care homes supposedly safely taken car of by the local authority,social workers and the police.

But perhaps the words of the judge might convince you.

Some gang members told the court the girls were willing participants, and happy having sex with the men. Their ring-leader, 59-year-old Shabir Ahmed, claimed the girls were "prostitutes" who had been running a "business empire" and it was all "white lies". He shouted in court, "Where are the white people? You have only got my kind here."[2][9][16] Shabir Ahmed's threatening behaviour and calling Judge Gerald Clifton a "racist bastard" resulted in him being banned from the court for the sentencing hearing.[13] The Judge described this outburst as "nonsense" and explained that their present predicament was due to their "lust and greed".[7] Judge Clifton told the convicted gang members: "All of you treated your victims as though they were worthless and beyond any respect they were not part of your community or religion."[17]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang

As for you trying to suggest allegations made in the red top Sunday People somehow mitigate the Pakistani gangs that feature in a number of these cases I am afraid you are just trying to deny the fact some Muslims treat western women with contempt.

The tragic example of 17 year Laura Wilson underlines how attitudes in some Muslim circles are far removed from what we term normal.

Laura, 17, was lured to a canal in Rotherham, stabbed repeatedly and left to die in the water.

Laura's crime was to bring dishonour on her Muslim lover Ashtiaq Ashgar, 21, who is now serving a life sentence for the brutal murder.

The teenager, embroiled in a love triangle between Ashgar, then 17, and his friend Ishaq Zac Hussein, 22 with home she had a baby was dubbed the UKs first white honour killing victim after she told both their families about her sexual relationships with their sons.

It was claimed that Laura had caused too much trouble and brought shame on the strict Muslim families and that something needed to be done to keep her quiet.

While Hussein was acquitted, Ashgar admitted her murder and was sentenced to a minimum of 17 and a half years in jail.

I am using the link below as the Mirror is not banned in some parts of the world!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/love-triangle-teen-laura-wilson-1485146

The story goes on to cite the fact that social services were aware she was being groomed and was under age but turned a blind eye.

The Daily Mail recently ran a story on former Labour politician Denis MacShane who has admitted that he shied away from investigating allegations of a child sex abuse scandal in Rotherham because he is a 'true Guardian reader' and did not want to 'rock the multi-cultural boat'.

The former MP, who resigned as MP in 2012 over the expenses scandal, said misplaced racial sensitivity prevented him from 'burrowing into' the widespread sexual abuse allegations and oppression of women in the Muslim community.

A group of 'influential' Pakistani councillors were accused in the Jay report by a council officer of blocking attempts to tackle the abuse and also meddling in domestic abuse cases involving Asian women in the town.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Jay Sata

[nontabury]

For a brief view on the Muslim attitude to women, see Attitudes towards women. Certainly the men of Pakistani heritage I know do not consider women beneath them and the women of the same heritage would fight tooth and nail anyone who did!

This, though, is interesting: It is a culture of child sexualisation, not Pakistani attitudes, that puts girls at risk

On the BBC news a representative from the Pakistani community condemned these abuse cases. They were particularly evil, he said, because they had a racial element. Why? Having sex with a child is a ninth-circle-of-hell sort of offence anyway – does it make any difference if it’s racially motivated? If these girls had been Pakistani would the equality Gestapo have shrugged and said “well, at least there wasn’t a racial element”?

Excellent question; whether or not one believes there was a racial element.

The people who think that only Pakistani men abuse or organise the mass abuse of children have obviously not been paying attention to the news.

'I watched Tory MP MURDER a boy during depraved Westminster VIP party' for example.

The MP for Rochdale, one of the towns involved in these sex abuse cases,Simon Danczuk

Said. " I've met the perpetrators of some of these types of crime and they do have a unhealthy view of women". On another occasion he criticized the police when they said it was not a racial issue when nine Asian men ( Pakistanis ) were found guilty of trafficking and sexually abusing 47 White girls as young as 13.

Now today we hear that 10 members of the South Yorkshire Police force are to be investigated over their part in the cover up of child sex abuse in Rotherham.

[Jay Sata]

Perhaps 7by7 will explain this story making headlines this evening in the UK and try and tell us this is not another case of Muslim Pakistani men exploiting young white underage girls.

Two men ordered to keep away from young girls after a council became the first to use civil injunctions to block child sexual exploitation can be named, a High Court judge has said.

Mr Justice Keehan said the names of Mohammed Anjam, 31, and Omar Ahmed, 27, could be revealed.

Birmingham City Council had launched civil court proceedings against 10 men, a High Court judge had been told

The judge ruled the media should be allowed to identify men who were the subject of full and final injunctions.

The council said the girl had been reported missing from care 102 times since July 2010 and it believed she had been "consistently sexually exploited".

Peter Hay, strategic director of people at the authority, said: "We're still a council with our struggles with safeguarding children. That's well known.

"The importance and ground-breaking nature of what we've done here is that for the first time those that are sexually exploiting children cannot rely on their silence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30114936

Edited November 19, 2014 by Jay Sata

[Jay Sata]

It appears the efforts to cover up this sort of activity continues with not two but six Birmingham males,all Pakistani,being the latest

the police are trying to brush under the carpet.

Six men have been named, shamed and barred from contacting underage girls in a landmark anti-exploitation case - despite there not being enough evidence to convict them of a crime.

The injunction was won by authorities in Birmingham today against the six men - three of whom were found with the 'vulnerable' girl in a hotel room.

They can be named as Omar Ahmed, 27, Sajid Hussain, 40, Mohammed Anjam, 31, Naseem Khan, 30, Mohammed Javed, 33, and Alam Shah, 36, after a judge ruled it was in the public interest for their identities to be released.

That was despite the objections of West Midlands Police - who despite applying for the injunction, argued the men's names should be kept secret to protect their private lives.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30095989

Edited November 19, 2014 by Jay Sata

[7by7]

It is obvious that certain posters do not have the slightest interest in actually thinking about what I have posted; they'd rather (deliberately?) misinterpret it and throw accusations.

I have never tried to excuse this, or any similar, crime in any way shape or form.

I have never denied that the men involved are Muslims of Pakistani extraction.

I have never denied that Muslim men of Pakistani extraction have been involved in other cases.

I have never denied that the majority, but not all, of the victims were white.

I have never denied that there was incompetence by both the police and social services; as there has been in so many other cases; regardless of the race and religion of the victims and perpetrators.

I have never denied that this incompetence was due in part to a fear of being branded racist.

What I have done is try and counter the accusations here that the men committed these crimes because they are Muslims. They did not; they committed these crimes because they are evil, perverted men.

I asked earlier for any evidence that any of these men have ever tried to use their religion to justify their crime; that evidence has not been produced; because it does not exist.

I have also reminded people that this evil crime is not just committed by Muslim men; it is committed by men, and surprisingly sometimes women, of all religions or none.

Child abuse of any kind, especially sexual, is an anathema to all decent people; whatever their religion or race.

Child abuse is abhorrent; but, I believe, using it to demonize all members of a particular community or religion to be equally abhorrent.

As Ed West asks in the Telegraph article I quoted above

They were particularly evil, he said, because they had a racial element. Why? Having sex with a child is a ninth-circle-of-hell sort of offence anyway – does it make any difference if it’s racially motivated?

It seems to certain members here that it does.

It seems that certain members here only care when the victims are white and the perpetrators are of Pakistani descent and/or Muslim.

I care about all the victims of child abuse, regardless of their race or religion; I abhor all perpetrators of this most vile crime, regardless of their race or religion.

Edited November 20, 2014 by 7by7

[Ulysses G.]

You are indeed very careful with your words, but anyone who reads your posts often can easily see the many inconsistencies and read between the lines and see an agenda that you never admit.

Frankly, I don't know if you ever post honestly about what you honestly think and feel. It all seems like carefully calculated spin.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[7by7]

You are indeed very careful with your words, but anyone who reads your posts often can easily see the many inconsistencies and read between the lines and see an agenda that you never admit.

Frankly, I don't know if you ever post honestly about what you honestly think and feel. It all seems like carefully calculated spin.

It is obvious that certain posters do not have the slightest interest in actually thinking about what I have posted; they'd rather (deliberately?) misinterpret it and throw accusations.

Q.E.D.

[sustento]

How about charging those who the authorities have evidence are guilty of criminal offences and leaving the rest alone?

Edited November 20, 2014 by sustento

[Baghdad]

welcome to the real world

[Jay Sata]

How about charging those who the authorities have evidence are guilty of criminal offences and leaving the rest alone?

The Rotherham case opened a whole can of worms where is appears these cases have been shelved in the past for fear of upsetting certain sectors of the community.

There are now a number of serious investigations under way and it is likely we will see another series of cases coming before the courts.

Frankly I believe some police officers and social workers deserve jail time for the deliberate way they tried to hide these serious problems.

[7by7]

I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with Jay Sata.

Anyone found to have been incompetent or negligent, whether they be a police officer, social worker, whatever, should at the very least lose their job and not allowed to work in that field ever again.

Where there is sufficient evidence that anyone has acted criminally then they should be charged and tried in a court of criminal law.

Rotherham abuse scandal: IPCC to investigate conduct of 10 police officers

HCPC investigating Rotherham social workers

[Mosha]

Meanwhile in Afghanistan, a 3 year old is raped and the father says he will kill hiss other daughters if he does not get justice. Welcome to the stone age. Ir's on BBC

[7by7]

Whist the threat to kill his daughters is reprehensible; I can understand his frustration.

Rape of three-year-old girl shocks Afghans

...Abdul also fears that because they are poor, the authorities will not take the case seriously and ensure the man responsible is prosecuted.

"The president is not listening to people who are poor and don't have money," he said.

"If the government does not give me my rights based on Sharia and Afghan law, I will bring my other six children and kill them in front of the presidential palace and I will leave Afghanistan. My wife and mother also say they will kill themselves."

"Are the children of poor people like dogs, so nobody cares about them?" he added.

Let us hope that he can be dissuaded from this extreme form of protest.

What is encouraging is that the Afghan authorities do now seem to be treating this abominable crime more seriously. As the BBC article says

a Muslim cleric or Mullah was given a 20-year prison sentence and a fine of $26,000 last month for raping a young girl in northern Afghanistan.

[JockPieandBeans]

a Muslim cleric or Mullah was given a 20-year prison sentence and a fine of $26,000 last month for raping a young girl in northern Afghanistan.

Yes indeed, a Muslim cleric leading the way !! His sheep will surely follow.

Found this report today

Four predatory men - including a taxi driver, his uncle and nephew - were jailed for 68 years on Friday for raping a schoolteacher on a park bench after abducting and trafficking her from his cab.

The unconscious woman passed out after drinking at a birthday celebration before she came round to find one of her abusers having sex with her.

Private hire driver Tamseel Virk, 42; uncle and nephew, Azad Raja, 38, and Wakar Akhtar, 21, along with Najeem Ul-Saeed, 31, were convicted of the planned sex attack at Bradford Crown Court

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/utterly-callous-gang-who-raped-4672987#rlabs=2

What model citizens they are.

If I could be @rsed I would dig out the reports of the 4 separate members of the same community that were arrested in Edinburgh over the last 2 weeks.

Guess what the were arrested for ? Rape.

See the pattern that is evolving here ?

[simple1]

Over the years It has been reported that the rates of sexual offending by “Asians’ is higher than other ethnic groups, at the same time the majority of victims have been from within the Asian community. Prison sentences for sexual assault by ethnicity as of 2012 are provided at the URL below.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2012

So far as trends are concerned a starting point could be the table below. Rather than yet another round of posts based solely on opinions, are there later government stats showing increase / decrease by percentile by ethnic group?

5,497 offenders found guilty of sexual offences in 2011 (92.0 per cent) were of a known ethnicity (see Table 4.10). Of these persons:

· 80.9 per cent were White;

· 7.6 per cent were Black;

· 8.7 per cent were Asian;

· The remaining 2.8 per cent were of ‘other’ ethnicity.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/214970/sexual-offending-overview-jan-2013.pdf

Edited November 24, 2014 by simple1