Fake Austrian Doc Held On Fraud Charges

[Happy Jack]

Before locking anyone up in the Bangkok Hilton, Australia, or anywhere else, it might be worth wondering if there is another side to this. Whilst this guy might deserve the label of quack there is a long documented history of drug companies and organised medicine acting to suppress alternative treatments of many illnesses including those Dr. Sartori claims to be able to treat. A comprehensive description of some of these treatments and the frightening lengths the establishment has gone to discredit them can be found in the book Suppressed Inventions & Other Discoveries by Jonathan Eisen et al. The withdrawal of licences in the US for these people is quite common, even for those with significant documentation to show the effectiveness of their treatments, and even when these treatments could not possibly do any harm even if they failed to work. A number of the practitioners of these alternative medicines also point out that by the time they get to see patients it is often too late for ANY treatment to act effectively and that conventional treatments often weaken the patients to the point that death is almost inevitable. Conventional medicine also fails to cure some patients of Cancer. Should they be locked up for every death too? It seems that Dr. Sartori has been well respected for his past work. Maybe, just maybe, he is on to something and this arrest is the result of nothing more than the established medical profession and the drug companies exercising their considerable clout and on Dr. Sartori's part a misguided attempt to continue doing what he sees as being of considerable potential benefit to both his patients and medical research. No doubt he left himself wide open to trouble by practicing without a licence, but to wonder if after the number of years of research he has done, and the risks he has taken to administer treatment to patients, there might be something to his ideas is no more conjecture than that presented in the articles at the start of this post. Whilst these articles certainly seem damning the press does not have a great history when it comes to accurate reporting of the facts. As one reporter I know puts it, 'Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.' So lets be cautious before condemning without trial. Maybe this guy really is the evil predator portrayed, but on the other hand maybe he is a dedicated idealist. For a man of his obvious mental abilities there certainly must be easier ways to make a buck if money was his only objective.

Food for thought?

[chrisegan]

I was shocked to read this. I have never met Sartori but have read his books and studied his techniques. He is an eminent physician, very well qualified. I am not at all surprised at the fees he was charging and that people travelled half way round the world to be treated by him. There is a long catalogue of achievements - real ones - to his credit.

That said, I've heard nothing of him for the past 10 years. If these stories are to be believed then he may have gone off the rails (it happens with geniuses). The methods described in the articles bear no resemblance to his usual and well documented techniques.

As always with these stories, there is probably more going on than is being reported. My sincere condolensces to those who died at his hands.

How can you describe such a man as a genius!! He has been in prison in the US on 2 seperate occasions and is wanted in Australia on murder charges. This guy is anything but a genius - he is simply evil, preying on desperately ill people who are desperate to be cured.

[sonnyJ]

The forensics found potassium in the blood of a dead patient? Couldn't find anything about that threatment of his? Maybe it was just a maipenraifarmasist who made a mistake selling him the drugs he wanted? His name translates to japanese sattori aswell, means nirvana, enlightment. Anyway these TVguys will have 10 pages of speculation on best about it. Sometimes it clicks too. Hehehe. I like to read it sometimes.

[Scott]

My condolences to the victims. I hope this man gets a fair trial. Some people seem to think he is a genius and others just a scam artist. At least a fair trial would help to sort the whole mess out. Thailand might just be able to do this since it is a foreign doctor and foreign patients they could be quite impartial--but I don't hold out much hope that they will.

[Lifelover]

Spot on Happy Jack!

I was about to write something along those lines this morning, but you have put it very well indeed.

Forum readers should pay attention to what you have said as it is certainly pertinent in this case.

In particular the proponents of ozone in medical treatment have been hounded by the US FDA, despite overwhelming evidence in other coountries to its efficacy. I have been told by journalists and doctors that they have received life threats (from drug companies) NOT to publish research in the US. So much for a country of free speech! The FDA does not have a history of fair play, to say the very least. When the drug companies perceive a threat to their income from a very low cost and effective medicine, they close ranks and the FDA intervenes. It is that simple.

Now I don't know what Dr Sartori was doing exactly in Chiang Mai or why some patients died and I canot comment on the story that has been published and flashed on Thai TV. Although he is known as 'Dr Ozone' it apears he may have been using chelation therapy. Or maybe both. Either way he is an expert in both fields and I doubt very much that the journalists are qualified to write on the subject, other than to sensationalise it.

[Stefan Beck]

Gentlemen,

the correct accumulation of your comments

1. Dose him up - what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander - fair?

2. Trial him in Thailand - don't send him back to the plush jails of Australia

3. After his time in Thailand is finished send the remains back to Australia for trial

There are no excuses for this behaviour - would you defend such a person if it was your loved ones?

[Maejo Man]

Before locking anyone up in the Bangkok Hilton, Australia, or anywhere else, it might be worth wondering if there is another side to this. ...... For a man of his obvious mental abilities there certainly must be easier ways to make a buck if money was his only objective.

Food for thought?

From a previous link

From: "htcn hellfried" <[email protected]>

Reply-To: [email protected]

Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:25:24 +0000

Subject: FROM DR HELLFRIED SARTORI

HELLO,

I NEED YOUR HELP.

My name is DR HELLFRIED SARTORI , Age 66yrs, married, I am of Thailand

Nationality/Origin and the present SENIOR CHIEF ACCOUNTING OFFICER with HUAWEI TECHONOLOGIES NIGERIA LIMITED (A world wide telecom service provider). A position I have held since MAY 2001 and since the kick off of the ongoing HUAWEI TELECOM PROJECTS currently going on in five (5) WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES namely Ghanna,Nigeria,Togo,Benin Republic and sierra leon.

I happen to be the sole authorized accounting signatory to the

company's PROJECT AND INVESTMENT ACCOUNT at ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK PLC, an investment potfolio totalling over 7.3billion United State Dollars.....................................

[Free-spirit]

I utterly agree with Stephan Beck and Lifelover. It is so easy to pass judgement, trial and punishment on any stranger having heard a fraction of one side of the story.

We have NO idea of the true details behind these so called 'facts', nor do we understand the much larger multi-billion dollar interests that are constantly being served and protected by the FDA, AMA and other legal agents for the mutli-national pharaceuticals.

For all we know the key facts have been grossly distorted to turn, yet another pioneering doctor, into an apparent dangerous deranged quack hellbent on killing people. Such distortion and persecution is nothing new, take the time to read the following:

www.educate-yourself.org/fc/

[raro]

Also noteworthy is the transition from Dr. Abdul-Haqq Sartori to Dr. Hellfried Satori...any more alias to be found?

Talking about alternative medicine...it is a matter of fact that the pharmaceutical industry will do everything in its power (and they have a lot of power...) to suppress any efforts as any success of alternative treatments is a threat to their billion dollar buiness. This in turn keeps alternative medicine in a grey area and provides a preying ground for quacks. And as some other poster pointed out, the Thai practise of prescribing antibiotics for whatever sniffle ain't no good idea either!

[FlyingDutchman]

I feel too sick about this bloke to react, still I do. My mother died of cancer and so many people do; a famous star in Holland also believed some 'quack' and died within a few months, she could have been saved. Rudy Carrell [famous in Holland and Germany] died of cancer and he was a year younger then my mother was when she died, but he was ten times as rich. He propably would have given all his money for a cure. My grandma was only 53, when she died of breastcancer.

People with cancer are so easely exploited, because there is often no cure, so they have nothing to lose ! There should ... I don't know ... what if the 'quack' is really not a 'quack', but an inventor ? If YOU are in that position ? Would YOU give your money away towards a possible cure ? I guess I would, unless my heirs stop me ...

Edited July 12, 2006 by FlyingDutchman

[qualtrough]

I understand that people facing a terminal illness might be susceptible to quacks like this doctor, buy how to explain some of posters here who apparently think that the poor doctor is a victim of the FDA?? Let's see, convictions in several different countries over a period of years, operating out of hotels rooms in N. Thailand and charging astronomical prices, patients dying soon after treatment--but he still might be legit? Boggles the mind...

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Why send him straight to Australia?

It looks like he committed some crimes in Thailand that deserve a stretch in a Thai prison. AFTER some time in a Thai prison then auction him off to the next juristrction that wants him.

after 50 years LOL

[jingjoe]

I hope they can round up his ill gotten gains, and donate them to a worthy couse in the name of ALL of his victims.

[manutoo]

They're a few important questions which we don't know the answers...

So far, we only know a few patients die.

Were they going to die anyway soon ? Were they very weak ? Were they aware of the risks ? Did they accept them ?

How many patients didn't die ..? None, 10, 100 ?

How many were actually cured ? or at least given a few more months to live ?

Even real doctors have patients who die, who react badly to treatment...

If you don't know all the facts, you know nothing.

[Catpian Slackbladder]

I was shocked to read this. I have never met Sartori but have read his books and studied his techniques. He is an eminent physician, very well qualified. I am not at all surprised at the fees he was charging and that people travelled half way round the world to be treated by him. There is a long catalogue of achievements - real ones - to his credit.

That said, I've heard nothing of him for the past 10 years. If these stories are to be believed then he may have gone off the rails (it happens with geniuses). The methods described in the articles bear no resemblance to his usual and well documented techniques.

As always with these stories, there is probably more going on than is being reported. My sincere condolensces to those who died at his hands.

How can you describe such a man as a genius!! He has been in prison in the US on 2 seperate occasions and is wanted in Australia on murder charges. This guy is anything but a genius - he is simply evil, preying on desperately ill people who are desperate to be cured.

I met Sartori not so long ago, he was very convincing up until the point when he told me that he was one of two Dr's in the world who have practiced this alternative treatment, the other currently residing in a German prison and then demanding a million baht deposited into his bank account the next morning without showing me any facilities or talking to his patients!!

Condolences to families........

[qualtrough]

They're a few important questions which we don't know the answers...

So far, we only know a few patients die.

Were they going to die anyway soon ? Were they very weak ? Were they aware of the risks ? Did they accept them ?

How many patients didn't die ..? None, 10, 100 ?

How many were actually cured ? or at least given a few more months to live ?

Even real doctors have patients who die, who react badly to treatment...

If you don't know all the facts, you know nothing.

Sorry, but there are enough 'facts' available through a bit of research to show that Dr. Sartori is a 100% quack. That some people can read all those accounts and still feel he is the victim of some conspiracy by the medial establishment helps clears up the mystery of how these quacks find their victims. Thanks for solving that mystery for me. Just one example of what I am talking about from the NYT in 1985:

(http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E4DD153BF931A3575AC0A963948260&sec=health&pagewanted=print)

"...The problem is compounded because a medical license entitles a doctor to practice any kind of medicine, from psychiatry to gynecology, with or without specific training in that specialty. Dr. Hellfried A. Sartori is a case in point. #25 Specialties Listed In July, the District of Columbia medical board revoked his license. A year earlier, Maryland's board had revoked his license there, and North Carolina's board asked him to surrender his license to practice in that state. The executive director of the Maryland board said Dr. Sartori has appealed, and the doctor's attorney has said he would appeal the District of Columbia's revocation too.

Dr. Sartori had said he could cure cancer by injecting an industrial solvent, D.M.S.O., rarely used for medical purposes, into his patients.

Maryland's board concluded that he was ''serously deficient'' in medical knowledge. But while practicing in the District of Columbia, Dr. Sartori advertised himself in the Washington yellow pages as a specialist in 25 fields of medicine, including pediatrics, psychiatry, gastroenterology, child neurology, rheumatology, pulmonary disease and aerospace medicine. "

Three different medical boards in three different states. And then there is Australia, and now Thailand...

[manutoo]

I don't think much about this guy... My 1st reaction to the news was "put him in jail and lose the key!".

But I thought a bit more, and I wonder if he has any survivors to his treatment, or even some good result, and what are the percentages...

But the Catpian Slackbladder's testimony is really scary about this "doc" behaviour...

[Livinginexile]

I was shocked to read this. I have never met Sartori but have read his books and studied his techniques. He is an eminent physician, very well qualified. I am not at all surprised at the fees he was charging and that people travelled half way round the world to be treated by him. There is a long catalogue of achievements - real ones - to his credit.

That said, I've heard nothing of him for the past 10 years. If these stories are to be believed then he may have gone off the rails (it happens with geniuses). The methods described in the articles bear no resemblance to his usual and well documented techniques.

As always with these stories, there is probably more going on than is being reported. My sincere condolensces to those who died at his hands.

He was also highly involved in the "419" scam.

I have attached a link for you to see how this "genious" operates.

Cheers

[Livinginexile]

I was shocked to read this. I have never met Sartori but have read his books and studied his techniques. He is an eminent physician, very well qualified. I am not at all surprised at the fees he was charging and that people travelled half way round the world to be treated by him. There is a long catalogue of achievements - real ones - to his credit.

That said, I've heard nothing of him for the past 10 years. If these stories are to be believed then he may have gone off the rails (it happens with geniuses). The methods described in the articles bear no resemblance to his usual and well documented techniques.

As always with these stories, there is probably more going on than is being reported. My sincere condolensces to those who died at his hands.

This "genious" was also involved in the "419" scam. Have a look at what else he was upto.

http://www.urgentmessage.org/highlyconfidential/_l36717.html

Cheers

[Paulv]

well he did cure their cnacer

OH FUNNY MAN

[Paulv]

Why send him straight to Australia?

It looks like he committed some crimes in Thailand that deserve a stretch in a Thai prison. AFTER some time in a Thai prison then auction him off to the next juristrction that wants him.

after 50 years LOL

HOW MANY CRIMES HAVE YOU COMMITTED HERE MMM????

[veteran]

we dont need people like this in Thailand

[stoffel45]

Dr Ozone arrested over lethal cancer treatment

CHIANG MAI: -- Quack who served two jail terms in US lured Western cancer patients to Chiang Mai for bogus cures, police say

Chiang Mai police have arrested an Austrian national who allegedly killed at least one desperate Australian patient with a bogus cancer treatment he had advertised on a website.

Hellfried Sartori, 67, was arrested on Sunday in a Chiang Mai hotel and charged with fraud as well as practising medicine without a licence, police said.

Sartori will likely be extradited to Australia soon to face a murder charge, they said.

Sartori may be responsible for the deaths of several Australian cancer patients, who flew to Chiang Mai to receive the treatment in hotel rooms and later died at city hospitals, Lt-General Phanuphong Singhara na Ayutthaya told a press conference yesterday.

Sartori has served two prison terms in the United States - in New York state in May 1992 and in Washington DC in July 1998 - after administering his so-called "ozone treatments", Phanuphong said.

Websites claim the treatment cures everything from Aids and cancer to allergies and hardening of the arteries. It consists of injections of "liquid ozone", usually into a vein.

Australian police contacted their Thai counterparts over an investigation into the death of Kathleen Preston, an Australian cancer patient. Preston died at Maharaj Nakhon Chiang Mai Hospital on July 26 last year. An autopsy report found an excessive amount of potassium in her blood.

Police suspect Sartori injected Preston before she died.

Sartori has been seen with other Western cancer patients in Chiang Mai, police say.

He accompanied Melissa Judith Taylor, a New Zealander with lung cancer, to the intensive-care unit of Chiang Mai-Ram Hospital on June 22. She fell unconscious after he injected a liquid into her chest and neck.

Taylor's relatives later told police that they flew with her from New Zealand to Chiang Mai after reading an online advertisement in which Sartori was portrayed as a qualified practitioner of the "liquid ozone" treatment.

Sartori charged Taylor Bt900,000 for his "alternative medicine".

Taylor's relatives, who witnessed the treatment, said Sartori used a syringe to withdraw liquid from a small metal cylinder, then injected three doses into Taylor, in veins in her chest and neck. She passed out after the injections and had to be rushed to hospital, Taylor's relatives said.

Phanuphong said a gas cylinder and a number of VCDs showing Sartori giving the treatment to a Western man were found in his hotel room.

Phanuphong said his officers were working with foreign police representatives based in Thailand to locate other victims of Sartori.

Dr Phattharawin Attasara, a senior physician with the National Cancer Institute of Thailand, dismissed Sartori's cure as preposterous.

Injecting a large amount of a foreign or inorganic substance into a vein would only cause the patient to faint or possibly die, the doctor said.

Citing information provided by Interpol, police said Sartori graduated from Graz University in Vienna and was a member of Austria's medical council until October 1, 1974.

He is in police custody.

--The Nation 2006-07-11

[Happy Jack]

This "genious" was also involved in the "419" scam. Have a look at what else he was upto.

http://www.urgentmessage.org/highlyconfidential/_l36717.html

Cheers

The use of his name is no indication that he was actually involved in the 419 scam. I run several websites with corresponding email addresses and real and bogus email addresses from these domains names are regularly picked up by fraudsters and used to send fishing emails, dubious attachments etc. Whilst this is annoying there is nothing I can do about it. It's quite possible that the same thing has happened in this case as any publicly known name is fair game for the people behind these scams. I know the posters here come from many different countries but I'm sure most of us are accustomed to the idea of innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[Sit-Siri]

Just another example how the farang people move to our country and make it worst.

I personally wish you all would take your prostitute girlfriends and go back home. There are too many of you that are dishonest, scam artists, and running from the law living here. You walk around our streets with your shirt wide open or even shirtless, create more problems by opening more girl bars, buying our land and destroying our country. So please do us all a favor and just go home as we do not welcome you – only laugh at you.

[CymruAmByth]

Just another example how the farang people move to our country and make it worst.

I personally wish you all would take your prostitute girlfriends and go back home. There are too many of you that are dishonest, scam artists, and running from the law living here. You walk around our streets with your shirt wide open or even shirtless, create more problems by opening more girl bars, buying our land and destroying our country. So please do us all a favor and just go home as we do not welcome you – only laugh at you.

Hmmm...baton down the hatches and prepare for the torrent my friend!

[tourleadersi]

Just another example how the farang people move to our country and make it worst.

I personally wish you all would take your prostitute girlfriends and go back home. There are too many of you that are dishonest, scam artists, and running from the law living here. You walk around our streets with your shirt wide open or even shirtless, create more problems by opening more girl bars, buying our land and destroying our country. So please do us all a favor and just go home as we do not welcome you – only laugh at you.

Whooaaa easy there tiger! I can understand you being annoyed about a certain element of people here in 'your' country, but think it through! Should Europe and America get rid of all Chinese immigrant because some of them are triads? Its good to know that its not just ignorant westerners who complain about 'foreigners' messing up theri country. I have a Thai friend who went to London on business recently and when he got back he raved about the girls who advertise in the phone baxs for having such 'soft white skin' but didn't rate the London go go bars.

Last time I looked some thai people were doing a really good job at messing things up in their own country. I can see that your last post was your first post. They call inflamatory remarks like you made 'trolling' and can get you a short holiday from the forum.

[Ijustwannateach]

Lot of commotion under the bridge, hereabouts...

[Guest endure]

Just another example how the farang people move to our country and make it worst.

I personally wish you all would take your prostitute girlfriends and go back home. There are too many of you that are dishonest, scam artists, and running from the law living here. You walk around our streets with your shirt wide open or even shirtless, create more problems by opening more girl bars, buying our land and destroying our country. So please do us all a favor and just go home as we do not welcome you – only laugh at you.

Whooaaa easy there tiger! I can understand you being annoyed about a certain element of people here in 'your' country, but think it through! Should Europe and America get rid of all Chinese immigrant because some of them are triads? Its good to know that its not just ignorant westerners who complain about 'foreigners' messing up theri country. I have a Thai friend who went to London on business recently and when he got back he raved about the girls who advertise in the phone baxs for having such 'soft white skin' but didn't rate the London go go bars.

Last time I looked some thai people were doing a really good job at messing things up in their own country. I can see that your last post was your first post. They call inflamatory remarks like you made 'trolling' and can get you a short holiday from the forum.

Please don't feed the trolls. It only encourages them.

[Sit-Siri]

Whooaaa easy there tiger! I can understand you being annoyed about a certain element of people here in 'your' country, but think it through! Should Europe and America get rid of all Chinese immigrant because some of them are triads? Its good to know that its not just ignorant westerners who complain about 'foreigners' messing up theri country. I have a Thai friend who went to London on business recently and when he got back he raved about the girls who advertise in the phone baxs for having such 'soft white skin' but didn't rate the London go go bars.

Last time I looked some thai people were doing a really good job at messing things up in their own country. I can see that your last post was your first post. They call inflamatory remarks like you made 'trolling' and can get you a short holiday from the forum.

I suppose you are right I should have thought before posting. But it is getting me more and more angry to see all these farang people coming here, living here and creating problems. The biggest problem is the bar/gogo scene which is ruining our country – and has been for a long time. If the demand was not there we would not have the problem.

I do not have a problem with the professionals coming over with the multinationals, but I do have a problem with the men (I am female) coming over here, hooking up with a bar girl and staying for long term – often without money, work or anything. It then turns into a problem as they need money and often turn to crime and scams.

I have traveled overseas a bit (USA, Europe, Australia) but I go for holiday and come back home.

Furthermore, there is a big difference with Thailand and America as America is built on immigration where are not.