Leaving Thailand - Where now?

[Cypress Hill]

I find it amusing how many people dismiss making money from websites or other internet-related vocations as being unsustainable long-term. An entire generation of people - young and old - happily buzzing away making fantastic money say otherwise.

Not everyone is looking to build a Facebook or Alibaba - some people are just content to pull down $2000 - $5,000 a month from their website business or freelance vocation for working a few hours a day and enjoying time with their friends and families.

I remember when people used to say that email would never supplant snail mail. We know how that panned out when more people stopped writing letters and sending postcards. Ironic, then, that it is e-commerce that has emerged as snail mail's saviour with companies like Amazon accounting for a huge chunk of revenues for many a national postal service.

Naysayers suggest it's not real work as if "old world" professions or back-breaking menial labour are the ONLY paths to prosperity and security but they're being left behind by a generation of smart, savvy folks who know how to turn innovation into revenue . . .without postponing the fun in life until they're too old and infirm to enjoy it.

[Kudel]

I find it amusing how many people dismiss making money from websites or other internet-related vocations as being unsustainable long-term. An entire generation of people - young and old - happily buzzing away making fantastic money say otherwise.

Not everyone is looking to build a Facebook or Alibaba - some people are just content to pull down $2000 - $5,000 a month from their website business or freelance vocation for working a few hours a day and enjoying time with their friends and families.

I remember when people used to say that email would never supplant snail mail. We know how that panned out when more people stopped writing letters and sending postcards. Ironic, then, that it is e-commerce that has emerged as snail mail's saviour with companies like Amazon accounting for a huge chunk of revenues for many a national postal service.

Naysayers suggest it's not real work as if "old world" professions or back-breaking menial labour are the ONLY paths to prosperity and security but they're being left behind by a generation of smart, savvy folks who know how to turn innovation into revenue . . .without postponing the fun in life until they're too old and infirm to enjoy it.

I work for a company that has about 20.000 employees world wide we use SAP on a daily basis and most IT work is being outsourced to the Philliphines and India nowadays because they can do it for a fraction of the cost compaired to the west.

Last week i had an issue concerning my outlook express on my company laptop the only thing i needed to do was call them via a voip and connect to a vpn and in 20 minutes everything was fixed while i was sitting in my livingroom in my house in Belgium.Most multinational corperations worldwide outsource their IT work to said country's

Edited September 20, 2014 by Kudel

[JLCrab]

[Kudel]

I find it amusing how many people dismiss making money from websites or other internet-related vocations as being unsustainable long-term. An entire generation of people - young and old - happily buzzing away making fantastic money say otherwise.

Not everyone is looking to build a Facebook or Alibaba - some people are just content to pull down $2000 - $5,000 a month from their website business or freelance vocation for working a few hours a day and enjoying time with their friends and families.

I remember when people used to say that email would never supplant snail mail. We know how that panned out when more people stopped writing letters and sending postcards. Ironic, then, that it is e-commerce that has emerged as snail mail's saviour with companies like Amazon accounting for a huge chunk of revenues for many a national postal service.

Naysayers suggest it's not real work as if "old world" professions or back-breaking menial labour are the ONLY paths to prosperity and security but they're being left behind by a generation of smart, savvy folks who know how to turn innovation into revenue . . .without postponing the fun in life until they're too old and infirm to enjoy it.

I work for a company that has about 20.000 employees world wide we use SAP on a daily basis and most IT work is being outsourced to the Philliphines and India nowadays because they can do it for a fraction of the cost compaired to the west.

Last week i had an issue concerning my outlook express on my company laptop the only thing i needed to do was call them via a voip and connect to a vpn and in 20 minutes everything was fixed while i was sitting in my livingroom in my house in Belgium.Most multinational corperations worldwide outsource their IT work to said country's

And said people can be called on a 24/7 basis depending on time lines from different regions of the globe so when entertaining or banging Thai females on a 24/7 basis i wonder where or how those didgital nomads can get certain jobs done.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Kudel

[Cypress Hill]

I find it amusing how many people dismiss making money from websites or other internet-related vocations as being unsustainable long-term. An entire generation of people - young and old - happily buzzing away making fantastic money say otherwise.

Not everyone is looking to build a Facebook or Alibaba - some people are just content to pull down $2000 - $5,000 a month from their website business or freelance vocation for working a few hours a day and enjoying time with their friends and families.

I remember when people used to say that email would never supplant snail mail. We know how that panned out when more people stopped writing letters and sending postcards. Ironic, then, that it is e-commerce that has emerged as snail mail's saviour with companies like Amazon accounting for a huge chunk of revenues for many a national postal service.

Naysayers suggest it's not real work as if "old world" professions or back-breaking menial labour are the ONLY paths to prosperity and security but they're being left behind by a generation of smart, savvy folks who know how to turn innovation into revenue . . .without postponing the fun in life until they're too old and infirm to enjoy it.

I work for a company that has about 20.000 employees world wide we use SAP on a daily basis and most IT work is being outsourced to the Philliphines and India nowadays because they can do it for a fraction of the cost compaired to the west.

Last week i had an issue concerning my outlook express on my company laptop the only thing i needed to do was call them via a voip and connect to a vpn and in 20 minutes everything was fixed while i was sitting in my livingroom in my house in Belgium.Most multinational corperations worldwide outsource their IT work to said country's

And said people can be called on a 24/7 basis depending on time lines from different regions of the globe so when entertaining or banging Thai females on a 24/7 basis i wonder where or how those didgital nomads can get certain jobs done.

You're talking about two different sectors there.

Helpdesk/Software support doesn't fall into the category of vocations I was talking about.

A helpdesk/IT support guy can hardly be considered a digital nomad. Not least because they generally work on shift rotations. Difficult to do that from a condo in Ari or a beach hut in Phuket

[Kudel]

I find it amusing how many people dismiss making money from websites or other internet-related vocations as being unsustainable long-term. An entire generation of people - young and old - happily buzzing away making fantastic money say otherwise.

Not everyone is looking to build a Facebook or Alibaba - some people are just content to pull down $2000 - $5,000 a month from their website business or freelance vocation for working a few hours a day and enjoying time with their friends and families.

I remember when people used to say that email would never supplant snail mail. We know how that panned out when more people stopped writing letters and sending postcards. Ironic, then, that it is e-commerce that has emerged as snail mail's saviour with companies like Amazon accounting for a huge chunk of revenues for many a national postal service.

Naysayers suggest it's not real work as if "old world" professions or back-breaking menial labour are the ONLY paths to prosperity and security but they're being left behind by a generation of smart, savvy folks who know how to turn innovation into revenue . . .without postponing the fun in life until they're too old and infirm to enjoy it.

I work for a company that has about 20.000 employees world wide we use SAP on a daily basis and most IT work is being outsourced to the Philliphines and India nowadays because they can do it for a fraction of the cost compaired to the west.

Last week i had an issue concerning my outlook express on my company laptop the only thing i needed to do was call them via a voip and connect to a vpn and in 20 minutes everything was fixed while i was sitting in my livingroom in my house in Belgium.Most multinational corperations worldwide outsource their IT work to said country's

And said people can be called on a 24/7 basis depending on time lines from different regions of the globe so when entertaining or banging Thai females on a 24/7 basis i wonder where or how those didgital nomads can get certain jobs done.

You're talking about two different sectors there.

Helpdesk/Software support doesn't fall into the category of vocations I was talking about.

A helpdesk/IT support guy can hardly be considered a digital nomad. Not least because they generally work on shift rotations. Difficult to do that from a condo in Ari or a beach hut in Phuket

Nope some of said people are also doing the developing side of certain software stuff and are not banging Thai punani on a daily basis so maybe you can tell us the secret of youre succes?

[bkksteve123]

I wonder about these young guys putting all of their eggs in one basket and not securing a future for retirement.

A good website can be blown away by a competitor with more money and perhaps a group with brainpower. If the website is only making a living now, where's the future.

Back in the 1980's Yahoo was the #1 search engine and you had to pay a modest fee to belong and use it. I guess we know what Google had to say about that. It was just some kids with better ideas on search algorithms and how to monetize the site.

At the same time Yahoo was the only viable auction site but I guess we know what Ebay later had to say about that.

Several guys put up classified ad sites and did OK until Craigslist blew them out of the water. Ebay owns 25% of Craigslist and has auctions and classifieds covered, but from what I've see, ten or twenty years from now it's possible someone will bury them.

Barnes and Noble, a large bricks and mortar book store chain put up a website selling books and did quite well. That lasted until Amazon.com opened selling not only their books from warehouses only, but soon allowed anyone to sell books and then anyone to sell almost anything and who's heard of Barnes and Nobles' site lately?

IMHO these young people scraping by with a website are running a big risk. So are those who develop websites because within 10 years there will be software that will allow anyone to do it. In many ways there already is such software.

Ganted, there are people who have gotten in on websites or software that hit it big. They sold out and are wealthy. But I don't see the posters here as being in that position.

Would you consider substituting "negative" with "experienced and realistic?" You found a plan and worked it but all along you knew about what your retirement would be and you stuck with it. Good for you.

I don't believe that all of these digital nomads have the same support system. Perhaps some do. But I would certainly warn them that everyone gets older faster than he thinks he will, and he needs to have a viable plan for his future that's proving itself right now.

Why are you treating online businesses differently than others? I assume it's the relative low barriers to entry to set up a website, but in the larger scheme of things, when you really think about it, the issue with job security can be said about nearly any type of job position in any business and any sector, not just online work.

Back in the 1980's Yahoo was the #1 search engine and you had to pay a modest fee to belong and use it. I guess we know what Google had to say about that. It was just some kids with better ideas on search algorithms and how to monetize the site.

Yes, this change in market position took many years to develop and turn, and a lot of people made millions running Yahoo and still do today.

Did you know that before Bank A and Bank B became the leading banks in the USA there was another big bank called Bank C, but now Bank A and Bank B are dominating. Didn't see that coming did you? Following your same thought-pattern: THE BANKING SECTOR CANNOT BE A SAFE PLACE TO WORK! ONLY A YOUNG FOOLISH PERSON WOULD GO INTO BANKING.

If you work at a bank, the bank might run into difficulties, and they might let you go. Or maybe you are fired because you are bad at your job.

If you work in construction, the company might run into difficulties in a recession. They might have to let you go.

If you work online running a website, freelance, whatever, it might not work out. You might end up broke.

"Experienced and realistic" oh please.

[Cypress Hill]

You're talking about two different sectors there.

Helpdesk/Software support doesn't fall into the category of vocations I was talking about.

A helpdesk/IT support guy can hardly be considered a digital nomad. Not least because they generally work on shift rotations. Difficult to do that from a condo in Ari or a beach hut in Phuket

Nope some of said people are also doing the developing side of certain software stuff and are not banging Thai punani on a daily basis so maybe you can tell us the secret of youre succes?

The secret of my success??

Well, firs off, I'm not a digital nomad but I WAS an IT headhunter in the financial sector for several years so I know what I'm talking about. Even now I have old candidates who became friends who make 15, 20, $30,000 a month developing in C#, C++, Java, php and none of them are speaking Punjabi or Tagalog.

But hey, if you know better . . .

[TheSpade]

Sometimes it seems that -- other than from pornography -- the way most people make money on the internet is from selling information to other persons on how to make money on the internet.

Only to someone who has no clue about making money on the internet.

There's 101 ways to make money online - selling on Amazon / ebay, ecommerce, dropshipping, affiliate marketing, blogging, adsense, writing, designing, coding, freelancing, info-product sales, ebooks, trading, forex, lead generation, CPA, PPC....want me to go on?

5555555555. Yeah, porn and gambling seems to be the most profitable. All other e-commerce just seems to be tons of people trying to make a small amount of money doing the same things. Only a few can be like Alibaba or FB.

Again only to someone who doesn't have a clue.

There are niche ecommerce sites on almost every topic imaginable from vitamins for pitbulls to gold panning equipment making serious money. You'll never of heard of these sites because you're not clued up on that niche or in the space.

Doesn't mean they aren't hugely profitable too.

Most of you probably haven't even heard of Clickbank.

It's older than Google. Is responsible for 30,000 digital sales every day. Has hundreds of thousands of sellers on it.

And pays out millions of dollars every month in commission to affiliates and vendors.

So does that make me an industry insider? BTW I just put in a generic search 2 words on Google and I am linked to 2 items on the first page.

What are you even trying to say?

Is this you again trying to prove you are a internet SEO whiz kid who thinks he's great at getting content on page 1 of Google?

I guarantee anything you're ranking for is low competition so automatically ranks without effort.

[Kudel]

You're talking about two different sectors there.

Helpdesk/Software support doesn't fall into the category of vocations I was talking about.

A helpdesk/IT support guy can hardly be considered a digital nomad. Not least because they generally work on shift rotations. Difficult to do that from a condo in Ari or a beach hut in Phuket

Nope some of said people are also doing the developing side of certain software stuff and are not banging Thai punani on a daily basis so maybe you can tell us the secret of youre succes?

The secret of my success??

Well, firs off, I'm not a digital nomad but I WAS an IT headhunter in the financial sector for several years so I know what I'm talking about. Even now I have old candidates who became friends who make 15, 20, $30,000 a month developing in C#, C++, Java, php and none of them are speaking Punjabi or Tagalog.

But hey, if you know better . . .

Yeah ok whatever and under one of youre other name's here on tv you claimed to be some online stockmarket trader wonderboy........

Edited September 20, 2014 by Kudel

[Cypress Hill]

You're talking about two different sectors there.

Helpdesk/Software support doesn't fall into the category of vocations I was talking about.

A helpdesk/IT support guy can hardly be considered a digital nomad. Not least because they generally work on shift rotations. Difficult to do that from a condo in Ari or a beach hut in Phuket

Nope some of said people are also doing the developing side of certain software stuff and are not banging Thai punani on a daily basis so maybe you can tell us the secret of youre succes?

The secret of my success??

Well, firs off, I'm not a digital nomad but I WAS an IT headhunter in the financial sector for several years so I know what I'm talking about. Even now I have old candidates who became friends who make 15, 20, $30,000 a month developing in C#, C++, Java, php and none of them are speaking Punjabi or Tagalog.

But hey, if you know better . . .

Yeah ok whatever and under one of youre other name's here on tv you claimed to be some online stockmarket trader wonderboy........

Oh here we go. Can't make your point stick so you decide to try playing the man instead of the ball . . .

Whatever, you go ahead and argue with yourself because I can't be arsed

Edited September 20, 2014 by Cypress Hill

[JLCrab]

I am an SEO whiz kid without a clue. Anything else?

BTW in my case the SEO isn't about the amount of competition, it's just that in the case cited I outrank most of the obvious players who should outrank me.

BTW the YouTube video I pasted above will teach you all about affiliate marketing if you'd like to learn more.

Edited September 20, 2014 by JLCrab

[ATF]

I find it amusing how many people dismiss making money from websites or other internet-related vocations as being unsustainable long-term. An entire generation of people - young and old - happily buzzing away making fantastic money say otherwise.

Naysayers suggest it's not real work as if "old world" professions or back-breaking menial labour are the ONLY paths to prosperity and security but they're being left behind by a generation of smart, savvy folks who know how to turn innovation into revenue . . .without postponing the fun in life until they're too old and infirm to enjoy it.

You will never be happy. Everyone is bored to death with your incessant moaning and groaning while insisting you are happy. Obviously you feel you have got the World beat but you aren't getting any respect because in your and other peoples eyes you haven't actually achieved anything. Just a few quick bucks that have been seconded from Google clicks. Hardly a fulfilling existence.

So if everyone decided to live off Google clicks then who's going to do the rest of the "Old World" professions that feed, clothe and house you?

You also have an inbred fear of getting old that's why you are so bitter towards older people. What you are doing now will seem like chimney sweeping ten years from now.

[JLCrab]

This is one of my favorite internet lawsuits Rossi v MPAA / Motion Picture Association of America

Rossi had a website that claimed to have free downloads of complete movies by the major motion picture studios represented by the MPAA. The MPAA filed for takedown. Rossi sued the MPAA for malicious intervention in his business because -- if they did a reasonable investigation -- they would have realized that there were no such downloadable movies and that Rossi only made that claim to increase traffic to his website.

The courts ruled against Rossi in that his claim that he had downloadable movies would allow someone to reasonably assume that he did without further investigation.

http://casesofinterest.com/tiki/ROSSI+v.+MPAA

Another one is described here in The NY Times and was apparently responsible for Google changing its ranking algorithm to discount links to negative reviews:

Federal law enforcement agents on Monday arrested a Brooklyn Internet merchant who mistreated customers because he thought their online complaints raised the profile of his business in Google searches.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/business/07borker.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/technology/02ranking.html

Edited September 21, 2014 by JLCrab

[jspill]

This is one of my favorite internet lawsuits Rossi v MPAA / Motion Picture Association of America

Semi-related, one of my favorite internet debates is the issue of piracy / file sharing.

LSE published a study (PDF) showing that the claims about digital downloading killing music and movies are overblown - In fact, there is new evidence to indicate that it actually generates more income in certain cases. http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/documents/MPP/LSE-MPP-Policy-Brief-9-Copyright-and-Creation.pdf

Digital piracy not harming entertainment industries - http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/digital-piracy-not-harming-entertainment-industries-study-1.1894729

How Much Do Music and Movie Piracy Really Hurt the U.S. Economy? - http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/how-much-do-music-and-movie-piracy-really-hurt-the-u-s-economy/

BTW the YouTube video I pasted above will teach you all about affiliate marketing if you'd like to learn more.

Everyone knows the majority of material people find searching 'make money online' or 'work at home' is scammy. It's disgusting. I assume the video you linked is an example of that, to troll a bit.

It doesn't mean it can't be done legitimately, or that there aren't reputable sites explaining how to do it. SmartPassiveIncome, NichePursuits, ReliableSoft.net, ViperChill, to name a few.

Edited September 21, 2014 by jspill

[JLCrab]

I can't say that I know because I'm a person without a clue. So you're with the copy-left. Congrats.

As for Thailand maybe read this: http://www.iipa.com/rbc/2014/2014SPEC301THAILAND.PDF

Executive Summary: The market for creative content in Thailand has deteriorated in recent years due

mainly to piracy, exacerbated by the lack of needed legal reforms. Online and mobile device (smart phone, tablet)

piracy (estimated to have captured 80% of the Thai market) has largely replaced physical piracy, although there

remain pockets of hard goods piracy (e.g., hard disk loading at IT malls).

Book Piracy Problems Abound: The book and journal publishing industry continues to face print piracy,

illegal photocopying, unauthorized translations, and online piracy in Thailand. Copy shops continue to photocopy

books for students, primarily on a “print or copy to order” basis to avoid keeping infringing stock on site. Other pirated materials include novels, travel guides, history books and foreign language newspapers. Furthermore, RTG efforts to address the production and export of counterfeit books have not yielded any actionable results

Edited September 21, 2014 by JLCrab

[Berkshire]

Only to someone who has no clue about making money on the internet.

There's 101 ways to make money online - selling on Amazon / ebay, ecommerce, dropshipping, affiliate marketing, blogging, adsense, writing, designing, coding, freelancing, info-product sales, ebooks, trading, forex, lead generation, CPA, PPC....want me to go on?

There are niche ecommerce sites on almost every topic imaginable from vitamins for pitbulls to gold panning equipment making serious money. You'll never of heard of these sites because you're not clued up on that niche or in the space.

Doesn't mean they aren't hugely profitable too.

Most of you probably haven't even heard of Clickbank.

It's older than Google. Is responsible for 30,000 digital sales every day. Has hundreds of thousands of sellers on it.

And pays out millions of dollars every month in commission to affiliates and vendors.

I don't doubt that there's a gazillion ways to make money online and in IT. There's probably ways that you and I have never heard of. I get that. That's why there's so many people doing it.

The thing is, I know some really smart folks doing it on the side. Elaborate sites selling all sort of products and services. The funny thing is every one of these guys hold down full-time jobs. They know that this online stuff is not reliable income nor predictable. They also know that there are some even smarter guys out there doing the same sort of stuff. And then there are even smarter dudes out there with corporate and/or VC backing. A tough way to make a living.

Anyways, I'm by no means an expert nor do I want to rain on these guys' parade. If they believe that's where their future path lies, best of luck to them.

[NoshowJones]

Use some of your time now and between your exit from Thailand to spend maybe a month in Cambodia, check out if it's for you? This is far more convenient as it's next to you, Spain and Portugal I guess you already know what to expect as you are like me Irish and European . Also what about your thai gf? Is she part of the move and part of your future plans? And if so, have you discussed with her about where she would like to relocate and what her views and opinions are on this subject? Whatever your choice as I already mentioned test run Cambodia for at least a month before deciding on you next move.

Good luck.

Adh mor ort!

I would think this is the best advice the OP is going to get.

[NoshowJones]

OP, how about Blighty?

That's the worst advice the OP could get, MJP, I think you are saying that tongue in cheek.

[Sayonarax]

Back in the 1980's Yahoo was the #1 search engine and you had to pay a modest fee to belong and use it. I guess we know what Google had to say about that. It was just some kids with better ideas on search algorithms and how to monetize the site.

NS I don't believe there were any search engines in the 1980s. However you are correct in your statement that these guys have never seen how fast tech can move and the dot com market crash etc. Stocks are traded by robots now so how long will it be before most web design or other web chores are robotic?

That's like saying you can automate art.

Geez put ya gun down.

[mrtoad]

Cambodia is the place, and for dusting down a few blackboards you can supplement your income with an extra 1,200 USD

[NoshowJones]

Ah Dave, you see that is why when you assume something it is usually wrong. I did exactly what this young fellow is trying to do for the better part of 30 yesrs. I started out at 18 now not as good ss the guys who travelled innthe 60 snd 70's but was still a wild and untamed world. Parties wrre good without people trying to drug you or kill you. You gad the standard STD's but nothing that would kill you.

So did all that for years. But comes a time in every boys life when you realize you must become a man and accomplish something

for yourself or your family. OP talks about his girlfriend and has no clue. When the time comes and meets the right person maybe his perspective will change. As it will be less about what country is next on your list, but food, shelter, and safety for his family.

Then again he may be the type of person to just say sod it, and walk away from them. Yeh I work for someone else but they pay really well, my wife is happy as we will be moving into our new house, and my daughter will be looked after till she goes out on her own. Thats reality brother.

By the way I am always curious as to what these great digital gonads do. They always claim they make money "even when their sleeping" yet when asked what the website is or an address to go look no one ever tells, why is that.

Personally I would suggest London- its really booming at the moment- but you need heaps of money.

Me too- just what exactly do the digital nomads actually do? If it was that easy , then everyone would be sitting at home tapping away and watching the cash roll in.

London????? You would have to be good at dodging the taxman, and work your way around all the other taxes you will be expected to pay.

[Soutpeel]

Cambodia is the place, and for dusting down a few blackboards you can supplement your income with an extra 1,200 USD

Can even share accomdation costs with "Silomplaya" and it will only cost you $1/day then....

One wonders if there is a lot of competion for jobs amongst the Blackboard duster banger outer's in Cambodia

[MrWorldwide]

Sometimes it seems that -- other than from pornography -- the way most people make money on the internet is from selling information to other persons on how to make money on the internet.

That definitely applies to 95% of the people who spruik their 'systems and strategies' for trading the Forex market.

[MrWorldwide]

I would add that the advice re Cambodia being 'cheaper' than Thailand isnt echoed by board members like TheSiemReaper in the Cambodia forum - people who actually live there.He also makes the point repeatedly that anyone expecting it to be like Thailand will be disappointed - I know I was very happy to get back to the airport and on a plane back to BKK, but it could be exactly what the OP is looking for.

[Berkshire]

Cambodia is the place, and for dusting down a few blackboards you can supplement your income with an extra 1,200 USD

Can even share accomdation costs with "Silomplaya" and it will only cost you $1/day then....

One wonders if there is a lot of competion for jobs amongst the Blackboard duster banger outer's in Cambodia

Silomplaya has been rather quiet since I shared that "Cambodia's foreign dude problem" article in one of his threads. Maybe he's worried Cambodia may actually ban foreign males from teaching children....or dusting blackboards.

[mrtoad]

Cambodia is the place, and for dusting down a few blackboards you can supplement your income with an extra 1,200 USD

Can even share accomdation costs with "Silomplaya" and it will only cost you $1/day then....

One wonders if there is a lot of competion for jobs amongst the Blackboard duster banger outer's in Cambodia

Silomplaya has been rather quiet since I shared that "Cambodia's foreign dude problem" article in one of his threads. Maybe he's worried Cambodia may actually ban foreign males from teaching children....or dusting blackboards.

Did you see Front page of The Sun yesterday, regarding him striking it rich?

[jspill]

Sometimes it seems that -- other than from pornography -- the way most people make money on the internet is from selling information to other persons on how to make money on the internet.

That definitely applies to 95% of the people who spruik their 'systems and strategies' for trading the Forex market.

Where there is money to be made there will be some scammers, shysters, unscrupulous people selling systems, in any industry. Particularly something anyone (with skill) can do at home on the internet without qualifications. On the other side of the coin there's a massive free online course in forex at babypips.com with thousands of lessons, and they aren't trying to sell anything. Hopefully beginners find that site and start there, but if they fall for some scammy strategy they probably would've lost their money in any other endeavour anyway.

[jspill]

I see two of the worst posters on TV, mrtoad and soutpeel have started trolling a thread to get it closed, yet again.

[Soutpeel]

I see two of the worst posters on TV, mrtoad and soutpeel have started trolling a thread to get it closed, yet again.

if you believe there is any content on this thread which feel is objectionable, you do have the option of reporting it to a "teacher" saving you having to write a mod wannabe commentary