george Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 We have purchased a brand new server to be installed at the end of this month. It will be a top notch Dell managed dedicated server with all bells and whistles. It will be installed in Singapore direct on the Singtel international backbone. Thaivisa.com will be faster to reach from Thailand (direct peering), and our members located in US, Europe, Asia and Australia will also get a better and faster connection. Nearly 60% of thaivisa traffic comes from Thailand, Asia and Australia. We hope that this investment, approx. 300,000 Baht, will improve the speed and security, and to minimize the downtime we have experienced lately. I will keep you updated as we approach migration to the new server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Mouse Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Does this mean we all now have to buy and wear seat belts????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totster Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 Does this mean we all now have to buy and wear seat belts????? Yes.. and helmets... but they only have to be worn when browsing in main areas of the forum... totster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted July 22, 2006 Author Share Posted July 22, 2006 This is a monster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong! Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 (edited) This is a monster! We hope that this investment, approx. 300,000 Baht You've been had. They only cost 72,000 Baht. http://www.supercomputingonline.com/article.php?sid=11430 Maybe you should just invest all your money into hiring somone who knows how to look after a server properly? Edited July 22, 2006 by Wong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest endure Posted July 22, 2006 Share Posted July 22, 2006 This is a monster! We hope that this investment, approx. 300,000 Baht You've been had. They only cost 72,000 Baht. http://www.supercomputingonline.com/article.php?sid=11430 Maybe you should just invest all your money into hiring somone who knows how to look after a server properly? The Dell server that George's link points to is $5301. Your link points to servers that START AT $1800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockstar Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 this investment, approx. 300,000 Baht, Looks like thre will be no Bangkok pissup for a while. 300K for new server, pissups in Pataya and Phuket. No money left for us Bangkokians to have a pissup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong! Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Georges link points to the Dell PowerEdge 1950, which is $1,898. Uk prices -> The new servers are available immediately, Dell says. The PowerEdge 1950 costs £899, as does the PowerEdge 2900, while the PowerEdge 2950 is £1,549. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39273621,00.htm Whichever way you look at it, TV has been had. Those prices are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 This is a monster! We hope that this investment, approx. 300,000 Baht You've been had. They only cost 72,000 Baht. http://www.supercomputingonline.com/article.php?sid=11430 Maybe you should just invest all your money into hiring somone who knows how to look after a server properly? Umm, did you actually read the entire post? It will be installed in Singapore direct on the Singtel international backbone. We hope that this investment, approx. 300,000 Baht, will improve the speed and security, and to minimize the downtime we have experienced lately. Seems to me that Singtel will also charge for their services and that is probably included in the cost estimate of the "investment". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Whichever way you look at it, TV has been had. Those prices are ridiculous. I believe you are missing the full picture here. First, how much memory, how much disk space, other peripheral equipment on it such as how swap power supplies, etc. This is probably a package deal and not just the price of the server and will include high speed, high uptime network backbone connection, and probably a 12 or 24 month support contract (24/7) plus many other items in the package. Enterprise dedicated servers are not cheap due to the extras and support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davethailand Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Georges link points to the Dell PowerEdge 1950, which is $1,898.Uk prices -> The new servers are available immediately, Dell says. The PowerEdge 1950 costs £899, as does the PowerEdge 2900, while the PowerEdge 2950 is £1,549. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39273621,00.htm Whichever way you look at it, TV has been had. Those prices are ridiculous. Why do you think that your opinion matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khutan Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 George; Looks like a nice piece of kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest endure Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 (edited) Georges link points to the Dell PowerEdge 1950, which is $1,898.Uk prices -> The new servers are available immediately, Dell says. The PowerEdge 1950 costs £899, as does the PowerEdge 2900, while the PowerEdge 2950 is £1,549. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39273621,00.htm Whichever way you look at it, TV has been had. Those prices are ridiculous. The Dell Poweredge 1950 STARTS AT $1898. The exact price depends on the specification. I sugggest you go and investigate the Dell website a bit more closely especially the 'Customise it' button. Here's a poweredge that costs $5301 http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/con...B1675&s=biz Edited July 23, 2006 by endure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Georges link points to the Dell PowerEdge 1950, which is $1,898. Uk prices -> The new servers are available immediately, Dell says. The PowerEdge 1950 costs £899, as does the PowerEdge 2900, while the PowerEdge 2950 is £1,549. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39273621,00.htm Whichever way you look at it, TV has been had. Those prices are ridiculous. The Dell Poweredge 1950 STARTS AT $1898. The exact price depends on the specification. I sugggest you go and investigate the Dell website a bit more closely especially the 'Customise it' button. Here's a poweredge that costs $5301 http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/con...B1675&s=biz Never mind endure. Smacks of TROLL to me I am looking forward to it, hopefully it will help with speeds and down time (seen lots of that lately ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest endure Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Yes, I must not feed the trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Never mind endure. Smacks of TROLL to me Well, he's in the wong place then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Dong Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 thats a nice rack JUST for Thaivisa george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Jean Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 (edited) All talk about prices but no substance. The fastest machine can be easily brought down on its knees. There are limits in software and hardware architecture. Like number of threads, concurrent access to disk drives etc. The webserver is most of the times not the problem. When i look at mine it is around 5-10% even with a few thousand connections. Look at the internet connection speed. Is it 16Mbit or maybe higher. For a current model computer that is peanuts. Other parts will be more important to look at. Diskdrives, networkcards, make sure routers and firewall have enough capacity etc.. The part that gets hit the hardest (especially in cases like a forum which is almost all database content) is the database server. Putting it on a seperate machine is necessary. I would suggest to keep using the one you have now as a webserver and make the new machine a dedicated databaseserver. Only then will you be able to get the best out of those machines. Is saw the most people online at the same time was 2,219. Most of them are reading, opening topics, writing messages. Reading and writing is great because it is all done at the clients computer. That leaves maybe 50% of the people who are very actively opening and searching topics. How fast wil they do that. Maybe click every 10 seconds. That will leave maybe a maximum of 100 requests in a second. Still easily done by moderate systems. However if there are unoptimised queries, everything will collapse. What about a topic that is openend by a lot of people, like the tsunami news. Caching such queries will keep it fast. Just a few things MySql and this forum software is not 100% optimized for. Just my experience in this business. Edited July 23, 2006 by Khun Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totster Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 Jasus.. some people just can't help being negative, even when something is being done to improve things... Do you honestly think that the admin here haven't researched and made a decision based on their needs... really.. do you ? totster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted July 23, 2006 Share Posted July 23, 2006 particularly trolls that hail from BalsaDork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamphun Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Jasus.. some people just can't help being negative, even when something is being done to improve things... Do you honestly think that the admin here haven't researched and made a decision based on their needs... really.. do you ? totster Can't comment on that but a couple of people who know about hardware and websites have been called trolls by those who don't seem to know much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinrada Posted July 24, 2006 Share Posted July 24, 2006 Does it make coffee?..I do like a good cup of Cappo first thing in the morning. We got one of those new la Vazzias thingys that woosh and splutter but cant figure out where the "hand"is that shakes the chocolate powder over the filled cup. Waited so long my first ever cup got cold...... anyway back to the server........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Jean Posted July 25, 2006 Share Posted July 25, 2006 SQL error: User thaivcom_ibrd1 has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsSQL error code: Date: Tuesday 25th of July 2006 05:00:35 PM These kinds of messages i am really talking about. You can put in a supercomputer but it will not help 1 bit in making a system more stable or able to process more requests. Today with the news about the EC i get these message every few minutes. A lot can be done with configuring things for more users. Adn optimizing procedures. I guess these messages are the proof of what i was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurgen Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 All talk about prices but no substance.The fastest machine can be easily brought down on its knees. There are limits in software and hardware architecture. Like number of threads, concurrent access to disk drives etc. The webserver is most of the times not the problem. When i look at mine it is around 5-10% even with a few thousand connections. Look at the internet connection speed. Is it 16Mbit or maybe higher. For a current model computer that is peanuts. Other parts will be more important to look at. Diskdrives, networkcards, make sure routers and firewall have enough capacity etc.. The part that gets hit the hardest (especially in cases like a forum which is almost all database content) is the database server. Putting it on a seperate machine is necessary. I would suggest to keep using the one you have now as a webserver and make the new machine a dedicated databaseserver. Only then will you be able to get the best out of those machines. Is saw the most people online at the same time was 2,219. Most of them are reading, opening topics, writing messages. Reading and writing is great because it is all done at the clients computer. That leaves maybe 50% of the people who are very actively opening and searching topics. How fast wil they do that. Maybe click every 10 seconds. That will leave maybe a maximum of 100 requests in a second. Still easily done by moderate systems. However if there are unoptimised queries, everything will collapse. What about a topic that is openend by a lot of people, like the tsunami news. Caching such queries will keep it fast. Just a few things MySql and this forum software is not 100% optimized for. Just my experience in this business. Khun Jean, you took the words right out of my mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmaveric Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Well done George as said previously barebones system for said price - fortunately you have to configure it to your own specs for added muscle which means more dosh. Look fwd to seeing it go online and better performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totster Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Does it make coffee?..I do like a good cup of Cappo first thing in the morning.We got one of those new la Vazzias thingys that woosh and splutter but cant figure out where the "hand"is that shakes the chocolate powder over the filled cup. Waited so long my first ever cup got cold...... anyway back to the server........ Can't do the actual maker... but how about something to keep it warm.. link totster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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