khunjamesjohnson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) I was at the yellow shirt and red shirt protests taking pictures. It was clear the yellows did not like the reports of the foreign journalists. They claimed journalists were taking the red side. I think they blew him away to send a message. They killed an Italian reporter and others were wounded. The yellow shirts weren't there when the Japanese reporter or the Italian reporter were shot. The red shirts were there, and they were shooting at the army. Yellow=Army. It's convenient to group anyone that is not a Thaksin supporter as a Yellow, isn't it! You don't think team yellow was upset with foreign reporters?They have their own version of events and vigorously block and ban books and websites that attempt to set the record straight. I think they targeted reporters. I would never support anybody that bans books and suppresses freedom of speech. Edited October 2, 2014 by khunjamesjohnson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I was at the yellow shirt and red shirt protests taking pictures. It was clear the yellows did not like the reports of the foreign journalists. They claimed journalists were taking the red side. I think they blew him away to send a message. They killed an Italian reporter and others were wounded. The yellow shirts weren't there when the Japanese reporter or the Italian reporter were shot. The red shirts were there, and they were shooting at the army. Yellow=Army. Red=police 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You don't think team yellow was upset with foreign reporters?They have their own version of events and vigorously block and ban books and websites that attempt to set the record straight. I think they targeted reporters. Whether "team yellow" was upset with foreign reporters or not, the idea that they were targeted is ridiculous. Can you imagine the international outrage if they were specifically caught killing foreign reporters, or reporters of any kind? Even IF it was a soldiers bullet that killed this reporter, there is no way IMO that it was deliberate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunjamesjohnson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I was at the yellow shirt and red shirt protests taking pictures. It was clear the yellows did not like the reports of the foreign journalists. They claimed journalists were taking the red side. I think they blew him away to send a message. They killed an Italian reporter and others were wounded. The yellow shirts weren't there when the Japanese reporter or the Italian reporter were shot. The red shirts were there, and they were shooting at the army. Yellow=Army. Red=police Thai police are scumbags but are they blocking all the websites, books and targeting journalists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunjamesjohnson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You don't think team yellow was upset with foreign reporters? They have their own version of events and vigorously block and ban books and websites that attempt to set the record straight. I think they targeted reporters. Whether "team yellow" was upset with foreign reporters or not, the idea that they were targeted is ridiculous. Can you imagine the international outrage if they were specifically caught killing foreign reporters, or reporters of any kind? Even IF it was a soldiers bullet that killed this reporter, there is no way IMO that it was deliberate. Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book. Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book.Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. If you think the army would deliberately target foreign journalists, surely you wouldn't put it past the red shirt militia to shoot a few protesters to get some more sympathy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunjamesjohnson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book. Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. If you think the army would deliberately target foreign journalists, surely you wouldn't put it past the red shirt militia to shoot a few protesters to get some more sympathy. Funny you say that because if you read the Wikileaks it was the yellows looking to antoganize the police & get their supporters killed to prompt the coup. (According to the US Ambassador) Just curious if you have read the Wilileaks and associated books/articles? Some of the most explosive and interesting info in the last 60 years has been ignored in the Thai press. Somone's even blocking it. Why do they block it ? Edited October 2, 2014 by khunjamesjohnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manhood Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think the Government and Police will only be able to handle the case same they do on Koh Tao case: pay to some guys who are willing to say, yes we did it! Thailand is getting rit of one more porblem with Japan and the cheapest way to do it! Yes do it Thai Way, not expect more!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted October 2, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2014 Thai police are scumbags but are they blocking all the websites, books and targeting journalists? Thaksin operated press censorship. Thaksin's police announced, during the Yingluck puppet regime, that it was an offence to click "like" on a comment on social media that commented on the Shins or their regime negatively.Their head of IT crime police held a press conference to warn people about this hideous crime in additions to those vile criminals that actually wrote such comments. CAPO consistently issued veiled threats. And judges who made unfavorable rulings against the Shins received visits from the Shin private militia. Journalists, lawyers and activists who spoke out against the Shins had a habit of disappearing or turning up dead in very mysterious unsolvable circumstances. But, hey, they were democratically elected, and often said they could do what they wanted because of it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book. Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. If you think the army would deliberately target foreign journalists, surely you wouldn't put it past the red shirt militia to shoot a few protesters to get some more sympathy. Funny you say that because if you read the Wikileaks it was the yellows looking to antoganize the police & get their supporters killed to prompt the coup. (According to the US Ambassador) Just curious if you have read the Wilileaks and associated books/articles? Some of the most explosive and interesting info in the last 60 years has been ignored in the Thai press. Somhttp://youtu.be/v3QZErkNeiEeone's even blocking it. Why do they block it ? Wow Wikileaks - must be the most unbiased, truthful, knowledgeable site - ever. Thank God (figure of speech, not suggesting there is or is not a God(s) of whichever religious persuasion you choose to follow or not) for Julian A. He'd never lie, and would check all sources rigorously, not be influenced by the lobbyists and PR of the crook on the run, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunjamesjohnson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book. Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. If you think the army would deliberately target foreign journalists, surely you wouldn't put it past the red shirt militia to shoot a few protesters to get some more sympathy. Funny you say that because if you read the Wikileaks it was the yellows looking to antoganize the police & get their supporters killed to prompt the coup. (According to the US Ambassador) Just curious if you have read the Wilileaks and associated books/articles? Some of the most explosive and interesting info in the last 60 years has been ignored in the Thai press. Somhttp://youtu.be/v3QZErkNeiEeone's even blocking it. Why do they block it ? Wow Wikileaks - must be the most unbiased, truthful, knowledgeable site - ever. Thank God (figure of speech, not suggesting there is or is not a God(s) of whichever religious persuasion you choose to follow or not) for Julian A. He'd never lie, and would check all sources rigorously, not be influenced by the lobbyists and PR of the crook on the run, It's true, you can't believe everything you read on the internet. There are 3,000 private emails from the Embassy back to the State Department. You think the US Ambassador was telling porkies? There are things team yellow don't want you to know and there are the things they let you see. Ignore the stuff they let you see and read the stuff they block. Then you will know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffinator Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If Japan was that worried about the reporters being murdered with little or no progress of Thailand bring those responsible to justice then why not threaten to pull out Japanese investment? That's the trouble with diplomats ... no balls, just talk. As a British citizen the Thais can count themselves lucky I'm not the British Prime Minister for the murders of my two countrymen would have had serious repercussions. It wouldn't be a matter of asking ... I'd tell them. The truth of the matter ... governments are weak, they are all too concerned about taking care of their own and what they can make. Money makes the world go round and in the process destroys any moral fortitude. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnehaha Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 i wonder if they were deliberately given shorter chairs ............ I agree... in fact I am certain this is the case. What I wonder is... did his feet touch the floor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book. Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. If you think the army would deliberately target foreign journalists, surely you wouldn't put it past the red shirt militia to shoot a few protesters to get some more sympathy. Funny you say that because if you read the Wikileaks it was the yellows looking to antoganize the police & get their supporters killed to prompt the coup. (According to the US Ambassador) Just curious if you have read the Wilileaks and associated books/articles? Some of the most explosive and interesting info in the last 60 years has been ignored in the Thai press. Somone's even blocking it. Why do they block it ? Nice deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunjamesjohnson Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 According to the court, the Italian journalist that was covering the Army crackdown on red shirts was also targeted and killed by an Army bullet fired from the direction of the Army. These murders happened right after my Thai friends told me to stay away from the yellow shirt mob I had been photographing. (I have a big camera) I ignored my friends advice and went back to take more pictures and several irate yellow shirts came at me and asked if I was a journalist? I hot footed it out of there. By contrast, I was also taking pictures at the red shirt mob and they invited me in, behind the secure area to photograph Jutaporn and the red leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 According to the court, the Italian journalist that was covering the Army crackdown on red shirts was also targeted and killed by an Army bullet fired from the direction of the Army. These murders happened right after my Thai friends told me to stay away from the yellow shirt mob I had been photographing. (I have a big camera) I ignored my friends advice and went back to take more pictures and several irate yellow shirts came at me and asked if I was a journalist? I hot footed it out of there. By contrast, I was also taking pictures at the red shirt mob and they invited me in, behind the secure area to photograph Jutaporn and the red leaders. Can you please link to reports that the Italian reporter was *targeted* by the army. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 wikileaks is pretty accurate to a certain extent but it is mix in with ambassadors thoughts and opinions. It is bias in a certain way that its all about the US's own interest, regarding to stability in the region and their alliance. I have heard these wikipedia rumors 5-10 years from Thai folks before it was release on wikipedia, so it must be true to a certain extent. Both sides of the political spectrum have targeted journalist, but the yellow are particular against foreign journalists because they keep on reporting that red protests are about "democracy" and "freedom of speech" when in fact its not (yes many came out because of red propaganda during Thaksins call - ins). Much of what foreign journalist reports is also influence by PR companies that Robert Amsterdam hires. Amsterdam also floods the web with articles supporting his clients causes. Yellow like to use the Les Majeste law to silience its opponents, but it is also true majority of the censored websites are pro-red websites that broke the law. The reds like to use the law in the 97 charter which allows the government to revoke media licenses in order to silence its media critics in Thailand. This law has since been removed after the 2007 charter. Soldiers were inexperienced and some had trigger happy fingers, no denying some deaths are from the soldier side others were from the red shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Only way the can apply real pressure and get results would be to get all their large companies to threaten to pull out of Thailand. Unless threatened with financial hurt, then Japan can expect the same results as other countries waiting for answers. I see where you're coming from but I reckon all that would happen is some patsy would be offered up and the real killer would still be walking among us. Sometimes I wish all countries would boycott the place but that's so unfair, even I know that and I'm a bit further right than Attila the Hun when it comes to stuff like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSA1 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 i wonder if they were deliberately given shorter chairs ............ ... its so funny. I thought it was some clever optical illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Only way the can apply real pressure and get results would be to get all their large companies to threaten to pull out of Thailand. Unless threatened with financial hurt, then Japan can expect the same results as other countries waiting for answers. Yu'p it's all about the money, you want results then threaten the loss of millions in lost investment and trade, The politicians, high ranking police, and military with large investments and targeting those investments financially could lend a little political will to the subject? otherwise it's a big smile and mi pen rai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussieinthailand Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Team yellow would thrown you in jail for 15 years (= a death sentence) if you say the wrong thing or if you own the wrong book. Would they target a foreign journalist? You bet. If you think the army would deliberately target foreign journalists, surely you wouldn't put it past the red shirt militia to shoot a few protesters to get some more sympathy. Funny you say that because if you read the Wikileaks it was the yellows looking to antoganize the police & get their supporters killed to prompt the coup. (According to the US Ambassador) Just curious if you have read the Wilileaks and associated books/articles? Some of the most explosive and interesting info in the last 60 years has been ignored in the Thai press. Somhttp://youtu.be/v3QZErkNeiEeone's even blocking it. Why do they block it ? Wow Wikileaks - must be the most unbiased, truthful, knowledgeable site - ever. Thank God (figure of speech, not suggesting there is or is not a God(s) of whichever religious persuasion you choose to follow or not) for Julian A. He'd never lie, and would check all sources rigorously, not be influenced by the lobbyists and PR of the crook on the run, I think Julian A is a whistle blower on big corporate that thinks they can do what they like, some even go so far as to call him a hero, the Japanese jurno case will be satisfactorily solved, nor the other innocent victims, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is. Actually we DON'T all know the soldiers did it as there is no conclusive proof and neither the RTP nor the DSI can change that. Perhaps in your mind it is a fixed truth but it certainly is NOT in everybodys mind. If you KNOW who is responsible then please name the name/names. If not then IMO which counts in Thailand just the same amount as yours then I reckon it is the guy from Dubai who is responsible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Bob Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is. Actually we DON'T all know the soldiers did it as there is no conclusive proof and neither the RTP nor the DSI can change that. Perhaps in your mind it is a fixed truth but it certainly is NOT in everybodys mind. If you KNOW who is responsible then please name the name/names. If not then IMO which counts in Thailand just the same amount as yours then I reckon it is the guy from Dubai who is responsible. Actually people don't want to accept the fact that the soldiers did it. The reporter Hiro Muramoto was between the red shirts and the Thai military. The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in fully automatic fire mode in the direction of protesters. Protest leaders claimed that a number of people were hit by army snipers from nearby buildings. The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters, allegedly shooting only single rounds to protect injured troops retreating from the clashes. Do you really believe the Red Shirts out armed the Thai military? I doubt it unless you include sticks and rocks and burning tires as a match for a M-16. Edited October 2, 2014 by Mango Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is. Actually we DON'T all know the soldiers did it as there is no conclusive proof and neither the RTP nor the DSI can change that. Perhaps in your mind it is a fixed truth but it certainly is NOT in everybodys mind. If you KNOW who is responsible then please name the name/names. If not then IMO which counts in Thailand just the same amount as yours then I reckon it is the guy from Dubai who is responsible. Actually people don't want to accept the fact that the soldiers did it. The reporter Hiro Muramoto was between the red shirts and the Thai military. The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in fully automatic fire mode in the direction of protesters. Protest leaders claimed that a number of people were hit by army snipers from nearby buildings. The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters, allegedly shooting only single rounds to protect injured troops retreating from the clashes. Do you really believe the Red Shirts out armed the Thai military? I doubt it unless you include sticks and rocks and burning tires as a match for a M-16. There are no "facts that the soldiers did it". The red shirts didn't need to out arm the military. The fact that there were armed protesters was enough for the military to retreat. Can you imagine the number of people that would have been killed if the army had attacked the armed red shirts that night? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is. Actually we DON'T all know the soldiers did it as there is no conclusive proof and neither the RTP nor the DSI can change that. Perhaps in your mind it is a fixed truth but it certainly is NOT in everybodys mind. If you KNOW who is responsible then please name the name/names. If not then IMO which counts in Thailand just the same amount as yours then I reckon it is the guy from Dubai who is responsible. Actually people don't want to accept the fact that the soldiers did it. The reporter Hiro Muramoto was between the red shirts and the Thai military. The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in fully automatic fire mode in the direction of protesters. Protest leaders claimed that a number of people were hit by army snipers from nearby buildings. The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters, allegedly shooting only single rounds to protect injured troops retreating from the clashes. Do you really believe the Red Shirts out armed the Thai military? I doubt it unless you include sticks and rocks and burning tires as a match for a M-16. Unfortunately the die was cast when CRES reported they had "intelligence" that there were 500 armed men amongst the protesters*. A convenient lie when coupled with abhisits / sutheps endorsement of the use of live ammunition and snipers. * from an article that "appeared in the Army Training Command’s Senathipat Journal, Vol 59, Issue 3, September–December 2010, as part of the army’s guidelines and case studies on military operations to solve urban unrest.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Bob Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is. Actually we DON'T all know the soldiers did it as there is no conclusive proof and neither the RTP nor the DSI can change that.Perhaps in your mind it is a fixed truth but it certainly is NOT in everybodys mind.If you KNOW who is responsible then please name the name/names.If not then IMO which counts in Thailand just the same amount as yours then I reckon it is the guy from Dubai who is responsible. Actually people don't want to accept the fact that the soldiers did it. The reporter Hiro Muramoto was between the red shirts and the Thai military. The Thai military initially claimed to be shooting rubber bullets and tear gas, and only shooting live rounds into the air. However, video footage showed soldiers firing assault rifles in fully automatic fire mode in the direction of protesters. Protest leaders claimed that a number of people were hit by army snipers from nearby buildings. The military later admitted that troops fired live rounds directly at protesters, allegedly shooting only single rounds to protect injured troops retreating from the clashes. Do you really believe the Red Shirts out armed the Thai military? I doubt it unless you include sticks and rocks and burning tires as a match for a M-16. There are no "facts that the soldiers did it".The red shirts didn't need to out arm the military. The fact that there were armed protesters was enough for the military to retreat. Can you imagine the number of people that would have been killed if the army had attacked the armed red shirts that night? I understand you are just in denial. You can not accept the facts. My facts are a hell of a lot better than the man in Dubai was responsible. p.s. This is my last post on this subject. I'm not going to waste my time here. The Army did it no if's and's or buts about it. Edited October 2, 2014 by Mango Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebrown Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) In the usual way that no-one in authority is able to accept any responsibility Pol. Col. Prasopchoke Prommool said "Dont ask me what's happening,, I'm only deputy commander of CSD, you should be talking to the Division of Special Investigation (DSI), who are rushing to launch a separate enquiry into the death of your reporter/citizen. Please bear in mind we've only had 4 years to start work on this investigation" Edited October 2, 2014 by joebrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiea Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 hmmm... seems to me the army is a little shy of being a "real" army. more like semi trained thugs, a step up from the police but still a far cry from a trained force tasked with containing the protesters & protecting they lookielu's the army were openly armed. excited young men + firearms = chaos. i do not think bob is full of red hate. he is crudely stating what many feel. oh yea, father of the year for using his kid as a target, life in the los is cheap. what a mess this was & still is. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinhp Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 We all know the soldiers did it. Give them a gun and bullets and they when wild shooting anything that moved. The people at the top should be held responsible for his death. Guess who that is. Is a police chief held responsible when a policeman shoots accidentally shoots a by stander while shooting at armed gunmen? Even more to the point, is a police chief held responsible when a by stander is shot by armed gunmen shooting at police? You may not know to much but any soldier shooting civilian is genesis and any general in charge are responsible for so action (government/dictator) And any government in Thailand is to be elected or it goes against the low same like the one now And same like the government in 2010 both not legal both use the king to go around the low I don't think the king have a choice he is very clever man And it does not matter what we all think the law is for every body to held and protect if not it's not a crime to fight it with every means it takes you see this many places around the world freedom is highly paid some places here to Stealing land or stealing office one hold prison sentence the other death penalty by the low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siripon Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Thailand should demand answers from Japan regarding its invasion of Thailand in WW2,. An outrageous act of aggression. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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