Fatty Liver

[Old Croc]

Nathan, next time you have a blood test get them to check your iron levels (ferritin).

Many years ago my doctor found I had liver problems and put me off alcohol for a month. He strongly chastised me when the levels were still high and didn't believe I hadn't touched a drop of grog for the period.

I later self diagnosed that I had hemochromatosis (aka Iron Overload Disease). This can affect several organs in your body, commonly the liver, and if untreated can lead to death from many things like diabetes and liver cancer.

It's quite common, particularly with people of Celtic descent. Everyone should check at least once to ensure they are free of the condition. It is very rare in Thailand and haematologists here are not necessarily up with latest monitoring and treatment. I've had disagreements with one specialist about treatment and have an appointment with a new one in a couple of weeks.

Incidentally, the health food nuts (!) who believe their regimen is right for everyone should not be followed blindly. People should be aware that Oats (for example) are high in purines and not recommended for us gout sufferers.

Purines from plant sources are no where near as bad as from animals.

Tart cherries are probably the best thing you can have for gout.

Asparagus is very high in purines Other vegetables like cauliflower, spinach, and mushrooms are also high in purines.

I suffer from chronic tophacaeous gout and am being treated with a new drug by one of the best specialists in Thailand.

I went through the stages of trying cherries, apple cider vinegar and the like without success. (Incidentally, those products are available in Villa for those who asked elsewhere on the forum)

[ageless1]

Our liver fulfills many functions. A major one is to detoxify and break down many of the chemicals we consume in our food and drink and medications. If you overload your body with too many chemicals over a long period of time it makes sense that it will become stressed and may not be able to perform as efficiently as it should. The degree of stress it is labouring under will be evident in a Liver Function Test (LFT). If you have been diagnosed with a problem you need to be kind and gentle to your liver because liver failure is a terrible way to die. To be kind to it, don't consume chemicals. Arguing over which chemicals do more or less harm is nonsensical. They all cause stress on an already overworked organ. Give it a break by going 'au naturale' for a while and eating some ordinary fresh fruit and veg and drinking some plain water. Your liver will reward the vacation you give it by becoming well again. We are the result of what we do most of the time. As an ongoing lifestyle, most of the time you should live 'au naturale' and kick your heels up with some processed food, alcohol, soda or whatever tickles your taste buds only a couple of times a week...as a treat

[h90]

Our liver fulfills many functions. A major one is to detoxify and break down many of the chemicals we consume in our food and drink and medications. If you overload your body with too many chemicals over a long period of time it makes sense that it will become stressed and may not be able to perform as efficiently as it should. The degree of stress it is labouring under will be evident in a Liver Function Test (LFT). If you have been diagnosed with a problem you need to be kind and gentle to your liver because liver failure is a terrible way to die. To be kind to it, don't consume chemicals. Arguing over which chemicals do more or less harm is nonsensical. They all cause stress on an already overworked organ. Give it a break by going 'au naturale' for a while and eating some ordinary fresh fruit and veg and drinking some plain water. Your liver will reward the vacation you give it by becoming well again. We are the result of what we do most of the time. As an ongoing lifestyle, most of the time you should live 'au naturale' and kick your heels up with some processed food, alcohol, soda or whatever tickles your taste buds only a couple of times a week...as a treat

and the positive thing is the liver can regenerate perfect and fast. Better than other organs.

[laislica]

Our liver fulfills many functions. A major one is to detoxify and break down many of the chemicals we consume in our food and drink and medications. If you overload your body with too many chemicals over a long period of time it makes sense that it will become stressed and may not be able to perform as efficiently as it should. The degree of stress it is labouring under will be evident in a Liver Function Test (LFT). If you have been diagnosed with a problem you need to be kind and gentle to your liver because liver failure is a terrible way to die. To be kind to it, don't consume chemicals. Arguing over which chemicals do more or less harm is nonsensical. They all cause stress on an already overworked organ. Give it a break by going 'au naturale' for a while and eating some ordinary fresh fruit and veg and drinking some plain water. Your liver will reward the vacation you give it by becoming well again. We are the result of what we do most of the time. As an ongoing lifestyle, most of the time you should live 'au naturale' and kick your heels up with some processed food, alcohol, soda or whatever tickles your taste buds only a couple of times a week...as a treat

Thank you, best post for a long while.

Find out what is bad for You and avoid it.

Our family doctor in the UK, back in the days before antibiotics were invented, recommended that everyone should fast for one day every week, drinking only water with a slice of lemon.

It seems to make great sense to me but......

The current nature of food has been forever changed by the manufacture.

It has been tweeked by the addition of chemicals to give it a better shelf life

And to make it addictive so it sells more.

Have a read at the 1950's book, The Space Merchants, it was forecast there.

The addictive effects of carbohydrates, along with massive advertising on all forms of media,

Mean that it is very hard to fast for even a few hours.

I have struggled with too much fat on my body all my life.

In the late 90's I regained normal blood pressure by going on a juice diet for 6 weeks, after losing many kilos of fat.

Over the years, the fat crept back and BP needed meds to control it.

Dr Mercola has been my saviour in the same way as Steve.

He has helped me to understand why I so easily pack on the fat and that helps me to do things to control it.

I agree that there is no one size fits all regime to cure everyone.

However, I do believe that we are what we eat (and drink).

Dr M also warns about excess iron, especially in males and recommends donating blood.

Maybe the old leaches trick was right?

So let's stop fighting about tiny irregularities in the detail and see the big picture and support each other to take control of our health! (Pun intended, thank you Joe)

[SICHONSTEVE]

Our liver fulfills many functions. A major one is to detoxify and break down many of the chemicals we consume in our food and drink and medications. If you overload your body with too many chemicals over a long period of time it makes sense that it will become stressed and may not be able to perform as efficiently as it should. The degree of stress it is labouring under will be evident in a Liver Function Test (LFT). If you have been diagnosed with a problem you need to be kind and gentle to your liver because liver failure is a terrible way to die. To be kind to it, don't consume chemicals. Arguing over which chemicals do more or less harm is nonsensical. They all cause stress on an already overworked organ. Give it a break by going 'au naturale' for a while and eating some ordinary fresh fruit and veg and drinking some plain water. Your liver will reward the vacation you give it by becoming well again. We are the result of what we do most of the time. As an ongoing lifestyle, most of the time you should live 'au naturale' and kick your heels up with some processed food, alcohol, soda or whatever tickles your taste buds only a couple of times a week...as a treat

Thank you, best post for a long while.

Find out what is bad for You and avoid it.

Our family doctor in the UK, back in the days before antibiotics were invented, recommended that everyone should fast for one day every week, drinking only water with a slice of lemon.

It seems to make great sense to me but......

The current nature of food has been forever changed by the manufacture.

It has been tweeked by the addition of chemicals to give it a better shelf life

And to make it addictive so it sells more.

Have a read at the 1950's book, The Space Merchants, it was forecast there.

The addictive effects of carbohydrates, along with massive advertising on all forms of media,

Mean that it is very hard to fast for even a few hours.

I have struggled with too much fat on my body all my life.

In the late 90's I regained normal blood pressure by going on a juice diet for 6 weeks, after losing many kilos of fat.

Over the years, the fat crept back and BP needed meds to control it.

Dr Mercola has been my saviour in the same way as Steve.

He has helped me to understand why I so easily pack on the fat and that helps me to do things to control it.

I agree that there is no one size fits all regime to cure everyone.

However, I do believe that we are what we eat (and drink).

Dr M also warns about excess iron, especially in males and recommends donating blood.

Maybe the old leaches trick was right?

So let's stop fighting about tiny irregularities in the detail and see the big picture and support each other to take control of our health! (Pun intended, thank you Joe)

Got an interesting e-mail from one of two people that I mentioned that I had helped reverse their diabetes. This is a year on from my advising him to fix it naturally and after Brian had refused (on my advice) to take Metformin for his diabetes as the doctor was going to prescribe for him.

I have copied it here as it shows doctors in their true light (well his one anyway).

Hi Steve,

The doctor did not really say anything he just said my glucose tests were normal, i said that i had been doing a little bit of cycling and he said thats what is helping to maintain normal levels by being more active. He then said that he recommended that an aspirin a day, a blood pressure tablet even though my BP was normal so I said if my BP is normal why do I need to take a tablet, then he said because of Diabetes you are more at risk, then I said to him but you are saying that my glucose test were normal, then i got no comment.

Brian

This is the doctor who wanted him to take 'killer' statins as a preventative measure for cholesterol even though his levels were normal

The latest I have heard is that this doctor has stopped working as a doctor and got a job working in a sweet shop (you know the ones) where there are rows and rows of jars of different coloured sweets - actually I did make the last bit up!!

Funnily enough, the other person I helped also had an alarming tale of doctor incompetence similar to that I have just described.

She has had high blood pressure for donkeys years as she is clinically obese. Over 10 years ago her doctor prescribed Metformin for her to reduce her BP.

Baring in mind that Metformin is a diabetes drug designed to control blood sugar levels and not BP then I could see the irony of her becoming diabetic despite taking an anti-diabetic medication for more than a decade.

As I say, her diabetes has been reversed now but she still takes Metformin (despite her BP being normal now).

[laislica]

^^^^^^

After my juice diet and BP returned to normal I went to see the Dr.

I saw a locum who said -well done!

He said changing my lifestyle corrected the disease.

I complained that no such advice was given to me, just pills.

He apologised, saying that they should give advice but since most people are lazy and will not heed advice they simply just dish out the pills.....

I understood and don't blame the Drs.

It's up to us, the people to -take control of our health!

If yer belly is as big or bigger than yer waist - do something to get a waist again!

Remember what waist actually means.....

It's what everyone should look like!

[SICHONSTEVE]

^^^^^^

After my juice diet and BP returned to normal I went to see the Dr.

I saw a locum who said -well done!

He said changing my lifestyle corrected the disease.

I complained that no such advice was given to me, just pills.

He apologised, saying that they should give advice but since most people are lazy and will not heed advice they simply just dish out the pills.....

I understood and don't blame the Drs.

It's up to us, the people to -take control of our health!

If yer belly is as big or bigger than yer waist - do something to get a waist again!

Remember what waist actually means.....

It's what everyone should look like!

Its not always the patient that is lazy, often it is the doctor!!

I self medicate myself now as I don't believe doctors (apart from my Thai doctor and Dr Mercola) of course.

[chiang mai]

Our liver fulfills many functions. A major one is to detoxify and break down many of the chemicals we consume in our food and drink and medications. If you overload your body with too many chemicals over a long period of time it makes sense that it will become stressed and may not be able to perform as efficiently as it should. The degree of stress it is labouring under will be evident in a Liver Function Test (LFT). If you have been diagnosed with a problem you need to be kind and gentle to your liver because liver failure is a terrible way to die. To be kind to it, don't consume chemicals. Arguing over which chemicals do more or less harm is nonsensical. They all cause stress on an already overworked organ. Give it a break by going 'au naturale' for a while and eating some ordinary fresh fruit and veg and drinking some plain water. Your liver will reward the vacation you give it by becoming well again. We are the result of what we do most of the time. As an ongoing lifestyle, most of the time you should live 'au naturale' and kick your heels up with some processed food, alcohol, soda or whatever tickles your taste buds only a couple of times a week...as a treat

Thank you, best post for a long while.

Find out what is bad for You and avoid it.

Our family doctor in the UK, back in the days before antibiotics were invented, recommended that everyone should fast for one day every week, drinking only water with a slice of lemon.

It seems to make great sense to me but......

The current nature of food has been forever changed by the manufacture.

It has been tweeked by the addition of chemicals to give it a better shelf life

And to make it addictive so it sells more.

Have a read at the 1950's book, The Space Merchants, it was forecast there.

The addictive effects of carbohydrates, along with massive advertising on all forms of media,

Mean that it is very hard to fast for even a few hours.

I have struggled with too much fat on my body all my life.

In the late 90's I regained normal blood pressure by going on a juice diet for 6 weeks, after losing many kilos of fat.

Over the years, the fat crept back and BP needed meds to control it.

Dr Mercola has been my saviour in the same way as Steve.

He has helped me to understand why I so easily pack on the fat and that helps me to do things to control it.

I agree that there is no one size fits all regime to cure everyone.

However, I do believe that we are what we eat (and drink).

Dr M also warns about excess iron, especially in males and recommends donating blood.

Maybe the old leaches trick was right?

So let's stop fighting about tiny irregularities in the detail and see the big picture and support each other to take control of our health! (Pun intended, thank you Joe)

Got an interesting e-mail from one of two people that I mentioned that I had helped reverse their diabetes. This is a year on from my advising him to fix it naturally and after Brian had refused (on my advice) to take Metformin for his diabetes as the doctor was going to prescribe for him.

I have copied it here as it shows doctors in their true light (well his one anyway).

Hi Steve,

The doctor did not really say anything he just said my glucose tests were normal, i said that i had been doing a little bit of cycling and he said thats what is helping to maintain normal levels by being more active. He then said that he recommended that an aspirin a day, a blood pressure tablet even though my BP was normal so I said if my BP is normal why do I need to take a tablet, then he said because of Diabetes you are more at risk, then I said to him but you are saying that my glucose test were normal, then i got no comment.

Brian

This is the doctor who wanted him to take 'killer' statins as a preventative measure for cholesterol even though his levels were normal

The latest I have heard is that this doctor has stopped working as a doctor and got a job working in a sweet shop (you know the ones) where there are rows and rows of jars of different coloured sweets - actually I did make the last bit up!!

Funnily enough, the other person I helped also had an alarming tale of doctor incompetence similar to that I have just described.

She has had high blood pressure for donkeys years as she is clinically obese. Over 10 years ago her doctor prescribed Metformin for her to reduce her BP.

Baring in mind that Metformin is a diabetes drug designed to control blood sugar levels and not BP then I could see the irony of her becoming diabetic despite taking an anti-diabetic medication for more than a decade.

As I say, her diabetes has been reversed now but she still takes Metformin (despite her BP being normal now).

Diabetes cannot be reversed, you've been challenged on this point several times by at least two people in this thread and have repeatedly failed to substantiate your claim through an independent link from an authoritative mainstream medical source. Like so many supplement freaks you seem to think you know more about medical science than trained medical personal do and you blame it all on a conspiracy theory involving big pharma's. Guess what, you don't really and you're becoming dangerous. Mods!

[h90]

^^^^^^

After my juice diet and BP returned to normal I went to see the Dr.

I saw a locum who said -well done!

He said changing my lifestyle corrected the disease.

I complained that no such advice was given to me, just pills.

He apologised, saying that they should give advice but since most people are lazy and will not heed advice they simply just dish out the pills.....

I understood and don't blame the Drs.

It's up to us, the people to -take control of our health!

If yer belly is as big or bigger than yer waist - do something to get a waist again!

Remember what waist actually means.....

It's what everyone should look like!

My mother with high blood pressure: Doctor insisted on pills, she wanted to try with weight loose and exercise. He told normally women in her age fail on the weight loose + exercise regime anyway. But she can try and monitor weight and blood pressure for 3 month.

She came back and was better than the target. Doctor told she should use pills again because his experience shows that women in her age can't sustain that.

She never went to the doctor again and got even slimmer and more active and BP is OK.

Either the doc was a complete idiot, or he was a genius who knew how to motivate her.

But well on the other side where is the profit if the customer loose weight, exercise and is healthy?

[SICHONSTEVE]

Our liver fulfills many functions. A major one is to detoxify and break down many of the chemicals we consume in our food and drink and medications. If you overload your body with too many chemicals over a long period of time it makes sense that it will become stressed and may not be able to perform as efficiently as it should. The degree of stress it is labouring under will be evident in a Liver Function Test (LFT). If you have been diagnosed with a problem you need to be kind and gentle to your liver because liver failure is a terrible way to die. To be kind to it, don't consume chemicals. Arguing over which chemicals do more or less harm is nonsensical. They all cause stress on an already overworked organ. Give it a break by going 'au naturale' for a while and eating some ordinary fresh fruit and veg and drinking some plain water. Your liver will reward the vacation you give it by becoming well again. We are the result of what we do most of the time. As an ongoing lifestyle, most of the time you should live 'au naturale' and kick your heels up with some processed food, alcohol, soda or whatever tickles your taste buds only a couple of times a week...as a treat

Thank you, best post for a long while.

Find out what is bad for You and avoid it.

Our family doctor in the UK, back in the days before antibiotics were invented, recommended that everyone should fast for one day every week, drinking only water with a slice of lemon.

It seems to make great sense to me but......

The current nature of food has been forever changed by the manufacture.

It has been tweeked by the addition of chemicals to give it a better shelf life

And to make it addictive so it sells more.

Have a read at the 1950's book, The Space Merchants, it was forecast there.

The addictive effects of carbohydrates, along with massive advertising on all forms of media,

Mean that it is very hard to fast for even a few hours.

I have struggled with too much fat on my body all my life.

In the late 90's I regained normal blood pressure by going on a juice diet for 6 weeks, after losing many kilos of fat.

Over the years, the fat crept back and BP needed meds to control it.

Dr Mercola has been my saviour in the same way as Steve.

He has helped me to understand why I so easily pack on the fat and that helps me to do things to control it.

I agree that there is no one size fits all regime to cure everyone.

However, I do believe that we are what we eat (and drink).

Dr M also warns about excess iron, especially in males and recommends donating blood.

Maybe the old leaches trick was right?

So let's stop fighting about tiny irregularities in the detail and see the big picture and support each other to take control of our health! (Pun intended, thank you Joe)

Got an interesting e-mail from one of two people that I mentioned that I had helped reverse their diabetes. This is a year on from my advising him to fix it naturally and after Brian had refused (on my advice) to take Metformin for his diabetes as the doctor was going to prescribe for him.

I have copied it here as it shows doctors in their true light (well his one anyway).

Hi Steve,

The doctor did not really say anything he just said my glucose tests were normal, i said that i had been doing a little bit of cycling and he said thats what is helping to maintain normal levels by being more active. He then said that he recommended that an aspirin a day, a blood pressure tablet even though my BP was normal so I said if my BP is normal why do I need to take a tablet, then he said because of Diabetes you are more at risk, then I said to him but you are saying that my glucose test were normal, then i got no comment.

Brian

This is the doctor who wanted him to take 'killer' statins as a preventative measure for cholesterol even though his levels were normal

The latest I have heard is that this doctor has stopped working as a doctor and got a job working in a sweet shop (you know the ones) where there are rows and rows of jars of different coloured sweets - actually I did make the last bit up!!

Funnily enough, the other person I helped also had an alarming tale of doctor incompetence similar to that I have just described.

She has had high blood pressure for donkeys years as she is clinically obese. Over 10 years ago her doctor prescribed Metformin for her to reduce her BP.

Baring in mind that Metformin is a diabetes drug designed to control blood sugar levels and not BP then I could see the irony of her becoming diabetic despite taking an anti-diabetic medication for more than a decade.

As I say, her diabetes has been reversed now but she still takes Metformin (despite her BP being normal now).

Diabetes cannot be reversed, you've been challenged on this point several times by at least two people in this thread and have repeatedly failed to substantiate your claim through an independent link from an authoritative mainstream medical source. Like so many supplement freaks you seem to think you know more about medical science than trained medical personal do and you blame it all on a conspiracy theory involving big pharma's. Guess what, you don't really and you're becoming dangerous. Mods!

I have helped 2 of my friends completely control their diabetes for over a year with them recording normal blood sugar levels in all of their tests ever since I advised them.

I am hugely proud of my efforts and they are eternally grateful!!

[ageless1]

A bit of clarification may help this dispute. Type 1 ( often called juvenile) diabetes is irreversible. It is a failure of the pancreas to produce any insulin and people are usually born with it. Type II (often called adult or mature onset) diabetesis a lifestyle disease. Through long term abuse of lack of proper nutrition and exercise the pancreas is worn out and does one or both of two things. It produces sufficient insulin but it is of poor quality or it produces good quality insulin but insufficient amounts. This results in a cascade of symptoms. If you pull your horns in and improve your lifestyle ie eat food that doesn't demand excessive insulin and at the same time exercise and live a more prudent healthful lifestyle, magic will happen. Your diabetes doesn't disappear but because you don't need as much insulin you become symptomless. The insulin your pancreas can still produce is adequate for your less demanding lifestyle. Be kind to your organs! Help them do their work by not over stressing them!

[chiang mai]

Thank you, best post for a long while.

Find out what is bad for You and avoid it.

Our family doctor in the UK, back in the days before antibiotics were invented, recommended that everyone should fast for one day every week, drinking only water with a slice of lemon.

It seems to make great sense to me but......

The current nature of food has been forever changed by the manufacture.

It has been tweeked by the addition of chemicals to give it a better shelf life

And to make it addictive so it sells more.

Have a read at the 1950's book, The Space Merchants, it was forecast there.

The addictive effects of carbohydrates, along with massive advertising on all forms of media,

Mean that it is very hard to fast for even a few hours.

I have struggled with too much fat on my body all my life.

In the late 90's I regained normal blood pressure by going on a juice diet for 6 weeks, after losing many kilos of fat.

Over the years, the fat crept back and BP needed meds to control it.

Dr Mercola has been my saviour in the same way as Steve.

He has helped me to understand why I so easily pack on the fat and that helps me to do things to control it.

I agree that there is no one size fits all regime to cure everyone.

However, I do believe that we are what we eat (and drink).

Dr M also warns about excess iron, especially in males and recommends donating blood.

Maybe the old leaches trick was right?

So let's stop fighting about tiny irregularities in the detail and see the big picture and support each other to take control of our health! (Pun intended, thank you Joe)

Got an interesting e-mail from one of two people that I mentioned that I had helped reverse their diabetes. This is a year on from my advising him to fix it naturally and after Brian had refused (on my advice) to take Metformin for his diabetes as the doctor was going to prescribe for him.

I have copied it here as it shows doctors in their true light (well his one anyway).

Hi Steve,

The doctor did not really say anything he just said my glucose tests were normal, i said that i had been doing a little bit of cycling and he said thats what is helping to maintain normal levels by being more active. He then said that he recommended that an aspirin a day, a blood pressure tablet even though my BP was normal so I said if my BP is normal why do I need to take a tablet, then he said because of Diabetes you are more at risk, then I said to him but you are saying that my glucose test were normal, then i got no comment.

Brian

This is the doctor who wanted him to take 'killer' statins as a preventative measure for cholesterol even though his levels were normal

The latest I have heard is that this doctor has stopped working as a doctor and got a job working in a sweet shop (you know the ones) where there are rows and rows of jars of different coloured sweets - actually I did make the last bit up!!

Funnily enough, the other person I helped also had an alarming tale of doctor incompetence similar to that I have just described.

She has had high blood pressure for donkeys years as she is clinically obese. Over 10 years ago her doctor prescribed Metformin for her to reduce her BP.

Baring in mind that Metformin is a diabetes drug designed to control blood sugar levels and not BP then I could see the irony of her becoming diabetic despite taking an anti-diabetic medication for more than a decade.

As I say, her diabetes has been reversed now but she still takes Metformin (despite her BP being normal now).

Diabetes cannot be reversed, you've been challenged on this point several times by at least two people in this thread and have repeatedly failed to substantiate your claim through an independent link from an authoritative mainstream medical source. Like so many supplement freaks you seem to think you know more about medical science than trained medical personal do and you blame it all on a conspiracy theory involving big pharma's. Guess what, you don't really and you're becoming dangerous. Mods!

I have helped 2 of my friends completely control their diabetes for over a year with them recording normal blood sugar levels in all of their tests ever since I advised them.

I am hugely proud of my efforts and they are eternally grateful!!

Congratulations, really. And in that case, please drop the word "reversed" from your vocabulary, as it pertains to diabetes.

[SICHONSTEVE]

A bit of clarification may help this dispute. Type 1 ( often called juvenile) diabetes is irreversible. It is a failure of the pancreas to produce any insulin and people are usually born with it. Type II (often called adult or mature onset) diabetesis a lifestyle disease. Through long term abuse of lack of proper nutrition and exercise the pancreas is worn out and does one or both of two things. It produces sufficient insulin but it is of poor quality or it produces good quality insulin but insufficient amounts. This results in a cascade of symptoms. If you pull your horns in and improve your lifestyle ie eat food that doesn't demand excessive insulin and at the same time exercise and live a more prudent healthful lifestyle, magic will happen. Your diabetes doesn't disappear but because you don't need as much insulin you become symptomless. The insulin your pancreas can still produce is adequate for your less demanding lifestyle. Be kind to your organs! Help them do their work by not over stressing them!

Diabetes type 1 is a different kettle of fish to type 2.

You can actually improve your insulin response with certain foods, herbs and spices and help the liver sufficiently (with milk thistle) to the point that you do not suffer from diabetes type 2 as such.

I was pre-diabetic and did something about it - I am now in NO DANGER of being diabetic and can again eat potatoes, carbs and other things that it was previously advisable to avoid (not that I do).

Dr Mercola disagrees that it is not reversible,

"Again, type 2 diabetes involves loss of insulin and leptin sensitivity, which is easily preventable, and nearly 100 percent reversible without drugs, by addressing your diet and other lifestyle habits, such as exercise, sleep, and intermittent fasting. I suggest taking a lifestyle inventory to see where you might have room for improvement".

So does CNN.

CNN. Reversing Diabetes is Possible. http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/28/reverse.diabetes/ (accessed September 2013).

Can a Healthy Diet Reverse Diabetes? A good diet and exercise are essential to managing type 2 diabetes. But can committing to a healthy diet really reverse the condition? Experts say it's possible for some.

By Diana K. Rodriguez

Medically reviewed by Niya Jones, MD, MPH

A well-balanced, healthy diet is often touted as the best way to prevent, manage, and treat a whole host of conditions, from cancer to heart disease. And now, research indicates that a healthy diet may be enough to reverse type 2 diabetes, especially when combined with a regular exercise program. In fact, one small study conducted in the United Kingdom found that people with type 2 diabetes were able to reverse the condition by following a calorie-restricted diet. Although a healthy diet is not enough to reverse diabetes in everyone, it is the first step for anyone managing the condition.

There are more but I think this is enough to make my point.

I'm afraid that doctors that still think that this is not so need to educate themselves with the latest science and methods to reverse diabetes type 2

[SICHONSTEVE]

Thanks,

No need to drop the reversal aspect as I have shown that modern mainstream science has determined that it is reversible.

Doctors should stop endangering their patients lives by being in cahoots with big pharma and dishing out unnecessary and dangerous medications.

[chiang mai]

CNN reports what people say, in your example, they reported what Mercola said.

Mercola is in the business of making money, selling "stuff", internet hits, books, seminars, were he correct in his thinking, mainstream medicine would have adopted his view, they haven't, that's why they are called "supplements".

Once again, the issue is the word, "reversed", diabetes cannot be reversed but it can be managed. It's a bit like dieing, dieing can't be reversed but it can be offset or managed.

[h90]

Thanks,

No need to drop the reversal aspect as I have shown that modern mainstream science has determined that it is reversible.

Doctors should stop endangering their patients lives by being in cahoots with big pharma and dishing out unnecessary and dangerous medications.

Again where would be the profit? Patients who are long time in need, but not dieing makes the profit for the complete industry. Diabetics is wonderful for the profit. The psychopharmaca are even better.

[SICHONSTEVE]

CNN reports what people say, in your example, they reported what Mercola said.

Mercola is in the business of making money, selling "stuff", internet hits, books, seminars, were he correct in his thinking, mainstream medicine would have adopted his view, they haven't, that's why they are called "supplements".

Once again, the issue is the word, "reversed", diabetes cannot be reversed but it can be managed. It's a bit like dieing, dieing can't be reversed but it can be offset or managed.

Actually, Dr Mercola is in the business of educating people - he does not push his products and there is no hard sell of his products. He makes money because people understand about these things now and choose to buy his quality supplements/products rather than take meds dished out like sweets by their doctor as they are convinced of his advice and scientific arguments in his articles.

I was able to reverse my two friends diabetes and cure my own pre-diabetes from the information derived from his website and a select few others that I believe are supplying helpful and useful information on the subject. that is good enough for me. You should get off your high horse and get up to date with these things.

What was thought of 10 years ago hardly applies today with the medical advances that have been made in the 'natural cures' arena.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Thanks,

No need to drop the reversal aspect as I have shown that modern mainstream science has determined that it is reversible.

Doctors should stop endangering their patients lives by being in cahoots with big pharma and dishing out unnecessary and dangerous medications.

Again where would be the profit? Patients who are long time in need, but not dieing makes the profit for the complete industry. Diabetics is wonderful for the profit. The psychopharmaca are even better.

How very true.

Put it this way - it is entirely in the interests of big pharma to keep us ill (but just about ticking over) in order to maximise their profits with their poisons and keep a steady stream of money coming in.

If we were all cured then where would their sales come from.

Why give dangerous meds for diabetes when chromium picolinate, milk thistle, cinnamon, fenugreek, ALA and cold steel rolled oats does a much better job without the severe side effects!!!

[chiang mai]

CNN reports what people say, in your example, they reported what Mercola said.

Mercola is in the business of making money, selling "stuff", internet hits, books, seminars, were he correct in his thinking, mainstream medicine would have adopted his view, they haven't, that's why they are called "supplements".

Once again, the issue is the word, "reversed", diabetes cannot be reversed but it can be managed. It's a bit like dieing, dieing can't be reversed but it can be offset or managed.

Actually, Dr Mercola is in the business of educating people - he does not push his products and there is no hard sell of his products. He makes money because people understand about these things now and choose to buy his quality supplements/products rather than take meds dished out like sweets by their doctor as they are convinced of his advice and scientific arguments in his articles.

Yep, just like Jim Jones was able to "educate" people, the same problem and the same end.

Heads up folks Sichonsteve and Mercola knows more about curing diabetes than the globally medical profession!

You are DANGEROUS.

[N47HAN]

If I may interject to the "debate" that is going on with reference to my OP.

I find it astonishing how my original OP has turned into how it has.

As a long standing member of TV I understand how the opposing views and replies happen in every sub forum ( and i do my fair share ), im actually amazed that in a forum dedicated to health and well being it can still turn into a frigin bull <deleted> debate.

Some of you guys I would like to thank for your advice as I was truely concerned about my condition and your comments and logic have helped to put things into perspective and my mind at ease.

To the rest of you , well go get your ego and opinion to anyone that gives a cr*p.

And as a foot note , ive decided after spending time to form my own opinion to take a week of detox which involves nothing but organic veg and fruit for a week , along with a few other suggestions that certain members have sent me a pm.

Now thats out of my system ill see you all around the forum .

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[chiang mai]

It seems as though some folks want to believe that wing or bat and eye of newt can solve their medical problems whilst ignoring mainstream medical opinion and history. Your choice I say, it's your life and your health so go for what you think is right, it's your prerogative.

But I would have thought that the modern thinking man in 2014 would have at least wanted more proof of the supposed cure for what ails them. Such requests and such answers seem almost non-existent, other than those supplied by internet snake oil salesmen, who, in all fairness, do have some fair and reasonable points to be made although their conclusions are far from accurate.

Ask yourself, if it were genuinely possible to reverse Type 2 Diabetes, do you not not think that a body of professional opinion would have formed somewhere in the world to support that answer, I mean, Dr Mercola, the New York Times "Best Selling Author", author of over thirty titles ranging from "Premarital HIV testing" to "Omega 3 and childhood Asthma", has only been pushing this crap for the past twenty years, ask your self, why is that.

http://www.mercola.com/forms/background.htm

Once again, your life, go for it!

[N47HAN]

It seems as though some folks want to believe that wing or bat and eye of newt can solve their medical problems whilst ignoring mainstream medical opinion and history. Your choice I say, it's your life and your health so go for what you think is right, it's your prerogative.

But I would have thought that the modern thinking man in 2014 would have at least wanted more proof of the supposed cure for what ails them. Such requests and such answers seem almost non-existent, other than those supplied by internet snake oil salesmen, who, in all fairness, do have some fair and reasonable points to be made although their conclusions are far from accurate.

Ask yourself, if it were genuinely possible to reverse Type 2 Diabetes, do you not not think that a body of professional opinion would have formed somewhere in the world to support that answer, I mean, Dr Mercola, the New York Times "Best Selling Author", author of over thirty titles ranging from "Premarital HIV testing" to "Omega 3 and childhood Asthma", has only been pushing this crap for the past twenty years, ask your self, why is that.

http://www.mercola.com/forms/background.htm

Once again, your life, go for it!

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Edited October 14, 2014 by N47HAN

[chiang mai]

Cool, just so long as you understand that one is the precursor for the other, out.

[SICHONSTEVE]

It seems as though some folks want to believe that wing or bat and eye of newt can solve their medical problems whilst ignoring mainstream medical opinion and history. Your choice I say, it's your life and your health so go for what you think is right, it's your prerogative.

But I would have thought that the modern thinking man in 2014 would have at least wanted more proof of the supposed cure for what ails them. Such requests and such answers seem almost non-existent, other than those supplied by internet snake oil salesmen, who, in all fairness, do have some fair and reasonable points to be made although their conclusions are far from accurate.

Ask yourself, if it were genuinely possible to reverse Type 2 Diabetes, do you not not think that a body of professional opinion would have formed somewhere in the world to support that answer, I mean, Dr Mercola, the New York Times "Best Selling Author", author of over thirty titles ranging from "Premarital HIV testing" to "Omega 3 and childhood Asthma", has only been pushing this crap for the past twenty years, ask your self, why is that.

http://www.mercola.com/forms/background.htm

Once again, your life, go for it!

Wow!! did you post that link by mistake?

What a glittering CV that is, I am shocked.

He is so much more well qualified than I realised. I want everyone to open this link as it shows what an authority he is. Of course I already know this as he is my health guru!!

[chiang mai]

Troll.

[AnotherOneAmerican]

And as a foot note , ive decided after spending time to form my own opinion to take a week of detox which involves nothing but organic veg and fruit for a week , along with a few other suggestions that certain members have sent me a pm.

Forget the faddy detox .... it's BS.

But you should try a little bit of exercise, and stop overeating, it does wonders.

Avoiding heavily processed foods and additives helps some people, sugar, flour, MSG, salt, packaged foods.

You should also avoid all addictive drugs, including alcohol, tobacco, coffee.

PS

Organic food, highly doubtful in Thailand, unless you grow it yourself.

Edited October 14, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[SICHONSTEVE]

Troll.

I know that I have carried the argument when they cry TROLL!!!.

I'll chalk another one up shall I?

In all seriousness, thanks for that link - I think that everyone should take a look and decide for themselves whether he is qualified.

[N47HAN]

Well thanks to all ,

Im gonna leave my OP now and allow you guys to continue.

I start my "detox" tomorrow morning at 6.30am as thats normally breakfast time in N47s household.

I will start a new thread tomorrow and post my next 7 days experience , whatever it may be.

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[chiang mai]

Well thanks to all ,

Im gonna leave my OP now and allow you guys to continue.

I start my "detox" tomorrow morning at 6.30am as thats normally breakfast time in N47s household.

I will start a new thread tomorrow and post my next 7 days experience , whatever it may be.

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Why detox, your problem is fatty liver not toxicity?

Fatty liver is caused by consuming too many calories and/or insufficient exercise to burn off those calories, the risk of not treating the condition means a higher risk of Type 2 diabetes.

You need to diet and exercise, plain and simple, all the noise about supplements, food sources et al is just background noise and a distraction.

Good luck, out.

[N47HAN]

Well thanks to all ,

Im gonna leave my OP now and allow you guys to continue.

I start my "detox" tomorrow morning at 6.30am as thats normally breakfast time in N47s household.

I will start a new thread tomorrow and post my next 7 days experience , whatever it may be.

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Why detox, your problem is fatty liver not toxicity?

Fatty liver is caused by consuming too many calories and/or insufficient exercise to burn off those calories, the risk of not treating the condition means a higher risk of Type 2 diabetes.

You need to diet and exercise, plain and simple, all the noise about supplements, food sources et al is just background noise and a distraction.

Maybe im misunderstandind something ?

To detox also means to help clean the liver and reduce its workload on clearing toxins , lose weight ie fat ie fat also contained in the liver ?

Good luck, out.

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